for all you spider owners out there...

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Can someone please post what exactly to look for as far as wobble, spinning, weird behavior, etc?


I have not noticed any odd behavior from my female spider. She acts and moves just like the rest of the BP's.

According to Adam, all spiders have the quirks and can be seen if you know what to look for?

This peaked my curiousity. What exactly should I look for so I can check?

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Some shake their head a little just slighly when the are surprised or stressed or just before feeding. Mine likes to look straight up at you from time to time when I open his tub.

After I read Adams blog originally I've been watching my snakes like hawks, sometimes for several hours to see any minor tweaks. I don't have a spider, but I've heard of normals and other morphs doing it aswell.

I did find that one of my normal females has a slight "tick"...she'll be sitting still but her head very slightly waves back and forth. Kind of interesting to watch...like was said, sometimes it can be so minor that its hard to pick up on, but hers is definitely there.

Even though spiders can have spinning behavior I plan on adding a few to my collection, the combo potential is just to amazing not to.

-Jason

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Can someone please post what exactly to look for as far as wobble, spinning, weird behavior, etc?


I have not noticed any odd behavior from my female spider. She acts and moves just like the rest of the BP's.

According to Adam, all spiders have the quirks and can be seen if you know what to look for?

This peaked my curiousity. What exactly should I look for so I can check?

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I don't know if you saw the link I posted but check it out(http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/f...716&whichpage=8). There is a lot of info in that post. Try watching your snake cruise around the cage when the lights go out. You will notice it easier at night.

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Originally Posted by JBallPython

I did find that one of my normal females has a slight "tick"...she'll be sitting still but her head very slightly waves back and forth. Kind of interesting to watch...like was said, sometimes it can be so minor that its hard to pick up on, but hers is definitely there.
-Jason

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Bingo thats it!

You're joking right? That can't possibly be a sign of spinning. A snake looking up at you when you open the tub? I have corns, BP's, boas and childrens pythons that do that.
My pastel does it, a few of my normals, my hets, and my spider. My albino and some of the others just kinda sits there. My male Bluefields looks straight at me.

They always look thinking food is coming although the spider and one of my male childrens pythons looks straight at me then starts crawling over to come out of the tub.


This is basically what I see from each tub when I slide it open.:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSCN0136.jpg

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Originally Posted by JBallPython

I did find that one of my normal females has a slight "tick"...she'll be sitting still but her head very slightly waves back and forth. Kind of interesting to watch...like was said, sometimes it can be so minor that its hard to pick up on, but hers is definitely there.
-Jason

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That's more along what I was thinking to look for. I'm going to check for any type of this movement.

No not like that I mean neck flat on the bottom and head at a 90 degree angle trust me it looks crazy as all get out. Mine does the little shake every now and then I don't notice in as much now that hes getting bigger. I'll try and get a pic to night if he'll do it.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

No not like that I mean neck flat on the bottom and head at a 90 degree angle trust me it looks crazy as all get out. Mine does the little shake every now and then I don't notice in as much now that hes getting bigger. I'll try and get a pic to night if he'll do it.

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Ah. Now I get it. Sorta cocked to one side. OK. Haven't seen any weird stare from her. I'm going to have to check on the waving stuff. I'll watch at night since that is usually when she is the most active and see what I can notice.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Ah. Now I get it. Sorta cocked to one side. OK. Haven't seen any weird stare from her. I'm going to have to check on the waving stuff. I'll watch at night since that is usually when she is the most active and see what I can notice.

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excuse my drawing but it would look something like this.

http://www.wildmorphs.com/uploads/spinner.jpg

see head straight up

OK. Nope. Haven't seen that.


That looks a lot like how a snake holds their head when stargazing. :O

I would freak if I saw her doing that.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

OK. Nope. Haven't seen that.


That looks a lot like how a snake holds their head when stargazing. :O

I would freak if I saw her doing that.

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Bingo my heart dropped. But after a panicked call to Sean at EbN and a good chat with Adam and some pics exchange. I was told that its one form of the tick.. some can't move with out moving like a corkscrew or sidewinder. But most do the little head tilt or the shake. Its all part of the fun of owning a spider ball.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Bingo my heart dropped. But after a panicked call to Sean at EbN and a good chat with Adam and some pics exchange. I was told that its one form of the tick.. some can't move with out moving like a corkscrew or sidewinder. But most do the little head tilt or the shake. Its all part of the fun of owning a spider ball.

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That scares me.

Great thread, Aleesha! Great thread on RDR,too. It is sad to see such gorgoeous animals do this! Adam, Do you see your spiders doing this? Do they still feed and breed?

When I was looking for a spider I looked for a light base color, nothing resembling the pattern of a pinstripe (the two horizontal bars running down the back or greatly reduced pattern) or a pattern that connected and formed circles or loops going down the back, I also wanted as few spots like a dalmation as possible.
I also don't care for high white sides, but that may just be me.

Here is a pic of my girl I ended up getting.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...G_9495copy.jpg

so... does the spider you start with make a difference the babies you produce or can a high white reduced spider create many different possibilities?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

That scares me.

Great thread, Aleesha! Great thread on RDR,too. It is sad to see such gorgoeous animals do this! Adam, Do you see your spiders doing this? Do they still feed and breed?

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Re-read Adam's blog that Ed posted. ;)

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Originally Posted by JBallPython

Re-read Adam's blog that Ed posted. ;)

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I haven't gotten to read it yet!! i was busy when I started to!

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Heres a little cutie girl. :P http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1172892402

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Hey this is my little girl! Really gotta get a day off to finish my rack so you can ship her my way!

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Originally Posted by panthercz

When I was looking for a spider I looked for a light base color, nothing resembling the pattern of a pinstripe (the two horizontal bars running down the back or greatly reduced pattern) or a pattern that connected and formed circles or loops going down the back, I also wanted as few spots like a dalmation as possible.
I also don't care for high white sides, but that may just be me.

Here is a pic of my girl I ended up getting.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...G_9495copy.jpg

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I also like the low white - your girl is exactly what I would pick - she's beautiful!

I just wanted to thank everyone...this thread has been really informative!

I had no idea about wobbling/spinning!

great looking spiders everyone.. just love them.

I figured I'd add a photo. My ideal Spider has a reduced pattern in that there are no spots; like Muddoc mentioned, he has that orange hue.. I am a fan of a little less high-whiteness, bu not low-white.. this guy fries my bacon!
(it is So hard to capture the orangeness on my camera; I gave up.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...e/spispiss.jpg

Aleesha, heres a good test to put to a spider. :P


Hold the snake in your hand out in front of you, you want to have the whole snake in your hand. let it extend its head and neck out about 8-10 inches out from your hand.....then tap it on the nose, the worst ones will recoil quickly almost tying there self into a knot. very shocking thing to watch.

You can also just blow hard directly in its face and get a similar responce. :)

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

is head wobble a problem with spiders?

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Aleesha, heres a good test to put to a spider. :P


Hold the snake in your hand out in front of you, you want to have the whole snake in your hand. let it extend its head and neck out about 8-10 inches out from your hand.....then tap it on the nose, the worst ones will recoil quickly almost tying there self into a knot. very shocking thing to watch.

You can also just blow hard directly in its face and get a similar responce. :)

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Or instead...you will get a bite on the nose or your finger!:P

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Ditto Jason... Ooooo... name her Pamela! LOL.. Hott, barbwire, ... nevermind! :oops: And I'm with Danial & Tim... I love the highlighting as well.... good stuf!

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Laura,
That snake happens to be nameless, as of a few minutes ago. Pamela is how she will be known. The one in the top right corner is also the same snake that is in the solo picture in my post. She also happens to be my ringer Spider. She is so shy, it is hard to get her out of a ball, and I can't get a good pic of her ringer mark. By the way I've tried since she hatched. if you look close in the solo pic, you can see the bright orange spot near her tail.
I love seeing all of the Spiders in this thread. Maybe we shouold start a morph/pic thread for every genetic trait.

don't all ball pythons recoil like that if you scare them with a hand in their face? I probably sound sarcastic right now but I'm not ... mine does that but I have nothing to compare the behavior to (he's a pastel)

Justin, Spiders are the most docile BP morph that I have ever seen, try that with a het albino and it may draw blood. :P

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Or instead...you will get a bite on the nose or your finger!:P

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Justin, Spiders are the most docile BP morph that I have ever seen, try that with a het albino and it may draw blood. :P

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That has myth spelled all over it!! Bring one or 3 down here an I will test it!:rockon: :P

That's no myth. ED nailed that one. I've got some Het Albino females that will take your bottom lip off if you tried that.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

That's no myth. ED nailed that one. I've got some Het Albino females that will take your bottom lip off if you tried that.

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I was talking aobut the spiders. I now nothing about agressiveness in female albino hets. But how does a snakes genotype interfear with there attitude?!

For whatever it's worth, I have a TON of het albino girls of all ages and they are all fine ... I also have some spiders that will munch on your ace if you aren't careful when you take them out of their tubs.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

For whatever it's worth, I have a TON of het albino girls of all ages and they are all fine ... I also have some spiders that will munch on your ace if you aren't careful when you take them out of their tubs.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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I knew I wasn't crassee:carrot:

thanks ed. unfortunately i won't be seeing the spider in person, so i can't do a test like that.

but all the info in this thread is wonderful. thanks everyone!

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I also have some spiders that will munch on your ace if you aren't careful when you take them out of their tubs.

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That the one that I want! :taz:

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Originally Posted by stangs13

I was talking aobut the spiders. I now nothing about agressiveness in female albino hets. But how does a snakes genotype interfear with there attitude?!

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I have no idea whether het albinos are more aggressive. If this was true, I'd think an albino would be more aggressive as well.

I also have no idea whether Ed's test would even work or is a smart idea if you don't want to be bitten (though he did say you could blow on its face rather than stick out your finger).

However, "motor control" issues are behavior (which can kind of be viewed as "attitude" or "deposition"). How do you think a snakes' genotype interferes with that?

It's called pleiotropy. The spider gene apparently just doesn't manifest itself only in the cells of the snake's skin.

Remember, for most part, every body cell in the snake contains the same genes. The same gene used to do one thing in the skin may be put to another use in a different part of the body.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

I have no idea whether het albinos are more aggressive. If this was true, I'd think an albino would be more aggressive as well.

I also have no idea whether Ed's test would even work or is a smart idea if you don't want to be bitten (though he did say you could blow on its face rather than stick out your finger).

However, "motor control" issues are behavior (which can kind of be viewed as "attitude" or "deposition"). How do you think a snakes' genotype interferes with that?

It's called pleiotropy. The spider gene apparently just doesn't manifest itself only in the cells of the snake's skin.

Remember, for most part, every body cell in the snake contains the same genes. The same gene used to do one thing in the skin may be put to another use in a different part of the body.

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Thanks for clearing that up! I didn't know that!

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Laura,
That snake happens to be nameless, as of a few minutes ago. Pamela is how she will be known. The one in the top right corner is also the same snake that is in the solo picture in my post. She also happens to be my ringer Spider. She is so shy, it is hard to get her out of a ball, and I can't get a good pic of her ringer mark. By the way I've tried since she hatched. if you look close in the solo pic, you can see the bright orange spot near her tail.
I love seeing all of the Spiders in this thread. Maybe we shouold start a morph/pic thread for every genetic trait.

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Dang, I should have said, "Name her Laura".. HAHAHA! :P I think Pamela is a HOT name for a HOTTER spider!

The orange is crazy on her! Didn't notice until you pointed it out...


And I second the motion:

"Maybe we shouold start a morph/pic thread for every genetic trait"...

I think that in the general sense, ball pythons are very mellow and tolerant, but there is always an exception to that rule. I have not noticed any personality differences between morphs. Out of the balls I have, only two are nippy. One is pastel (though I have more pastels who are dolls) and one is a normal (and again, I have even more normals who are dolls). What they both have in common is that they are.. hmm.. female. :D lol

Rick

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Originally Posted by Laooda

And I second the motion:

"Maybe we shouold start a morph/pic thread for every genetic trait"...

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I am all over this!!:rockon:

Started an albino one! Your turn to make one.

I could tap all of my ball pythons on the nose except one. And my Spider is the most lay back ball I have, and when it comes to weird behavior I haven't noticed anything yet.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...7/IMG_0015.JPG

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Originally Posted by stangs13

I am all over this!!:rockon:

Started an albino one! Your turn to make one.

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Lets let the Albino one have it's time to shine... then I'd like to see one on Pieds... pix, traits, etc..... :sunny:

Are there other morphs that exhibit neurological oddities? This is creeping me out kinda :pinkele:

Caramels tend to be prone to kinks in the tail that will prevent them from breeding

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Lets let the Albino one have it's time to shine... then I'd like to see one on Pieds... pix, traits, etc..... :sunny:

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Agreed! *raises hand* I call to make a pastel one!!:D

Caramels have had spinal kinking problems from day one, If you would have seen the pair of het caramels I paid Kevin 10 grand for, you would have thought me a fool. its just the way things are sometimes, you can take something like that and turn it into something great with some breeding magic. :sunny:


Caramels have other problems as well.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Caramels tend to be prone to kinks in the tail that will prevent them from breeding

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Go in at nite after the lites have been out and watch it them. :P

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Originally Posted by Emilio

I could tap all of my ball pythons on the nose except one. And my Spider is the most lay back ball I have, and when it comes to weird behavior I haven't noticed anything yet.

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The only characteristic that my Spider shows, that sets him apart from my other BPs, is his phenomenal feeding response. I am definately not saying "Spiders eat better" than other morphs, but mine does!

Personally, I like bright colors, reduced pattern, the lighter colors next to the black pattern, and a cute face with a cool head pattern.

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Originally Posted by kavmon

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/DSCN1186.JPG



vaughn

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Hey Vaughn, who did you get those Spiders from? Those are HOT!! That top one has an awesome pattern and I love the coloring on the larger one! Great looking Spiders!! Is that bottom one a female?

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

I agree with syclone! Everyone has some killer spiders going on!!! But Ganoush is my lil hottie!https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...ies/th_sun.gif

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2.../snakeys/2.jpg

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Wow!! That's a HOT Spider as well!!!!

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Originally Posted by LGL

Hey Vaughn, who did you get those Spiders from?

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Rumor has it that one of those two came from 8 Ball Pythons ;) ... The top one I think. :carrot:

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Originally Posted by LGL

Wow!! That's a HOT Spider as well!!!!

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Wow ... another 8 Ball .... yup. :sweeet:

Feels good see the hours and hours I put into figuring out just the right females to pair with my spider males pay off! Selective breeding rules!!! :D :sweeet:

-adam