ECLARK - mites

rabernet-i understand its a big problem, but we well established that many times and i know Ed got the point and im sure he will correct it in future sales

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I have over 500 ball pythons and have never had a single mite in my collection.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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amazed :eek:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

:frustrate QUARANTINE - do you guys honestly believe not having quarantine practices in place is NOT a big deal?

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I was talking about MITES!!! I havn't had a new snake in 6 months and i still odn't take my snakes in that same room where I quarentine. It is a big deal to me. i could quarentine my animals for a year before introducing them, and I could still ahve mites in my rack!!!


Sorry but it feels good to blow off some steam.

If you quarentine your new snake when you get it from Ed, thent here shouldn't be an issue, should there?
Everyone that has large numbers of snakes in and out will have mites sooner or later. A couple mites can travel in anything, a bedding scoop, on the cat, your sleeve..
To immediately start talking IBD is a bit inflamatory in my opinion. Ed hasn't got IBD, no one here has IBD from his snakes.
Someone had some mites. Yes, mites CAN carry desease, but in reality, the buyer used some PAM, killed the mites. If the buyer has done proper q-time themselves, then they shouldn't have any issues.
I'd buy from Ed Clark. I practice q-time for any new animals coming in, so I wouldn't have to worry about mites or IBD or whatever transferring from my new animal. I've gotten snakes shipped multiples to one bag, and none were harmed by it.
Jumping around like undisiplined monkeys over a small issue that should be resolved between buyer and seller is a bit wasteful of time.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

for the record i recieved balls from mike willbank. they were packed 5 to a bag. and they weathered the trip fine.

and on the topic of ibd. if they do have it, it is not like with boas where they dont even show signs of ibd for months. balls die form ibd relly quick.

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1. 5 in one bag? :eek: That's not good at all.

2. Yes IBD does kill BP's a lot quicker then it does boa's. BUT IBD IS SUPER HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS! What if.... what if Ed did have IBD running around because of mites and Aprils' two new snakes had it and it *somehow* still managed to get to the rest of her collection and wiped it all out.... You really have to put these kind of thoughts forward when it comes to these kind of things.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

No, never.

Snake mites are not found on WC or CH animals that are imported from West Africa.

-adam

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Than where do "snake mites" come from?

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i agree that this is a problem that should of been handaled privetly first.

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It was, Ed said that April contacted him, apparently not to her satisfaction if she still felt she should post here.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i guarentee that there is not a single person in here with more than 100 snakes that has not had a mit or two at one time or another.

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Ralph writes that he has never had mites in his collection.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i have herd of stories of people going to reptile shows and coming home and then three days later they have a out of know where mite infestion.

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And I purchased three snakes in Daytona, other than ones I had already purchased and were delivered. I had my can of PAM with me and the enclosures I brought with me were pre-treated, as were the enclosures in quarantine when I brought them home - no mites.

Isn't it ticks you find more commonly on WC's and mites are more a product of captive collections and issues with them?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Wow!!

Not even on WC animals?

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No such thing... Mites don't exist in Africa

Yes Joanna, you are correct.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

for the record i recieved balls from mike willbank. they were packed 5 to a bag. and they weathered the trip fine.

and on the topic of ibd. if they do have it, it is not like with boas where they dont even show signs of ibd for months. balls die form ibd relly quick.

i agree that this is a problem that should of been handaled privetly first.
also this is the first time i have ever herd of a negative transaction with ed.

i guarentee that there is not a single person in here with more than 100 snakes that has not had a mit or two at one time or another.

i have herd of stories of people going to reptile shows and coming home and then three days later they have a out of know where mite infestion.

and i do feal ed owes some compensation. like a new can of pam.

but if down the road other snakes fall sick then the real compensaiton comes in

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Ridiculous on all counts. :confused:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

:frustrate QUARANTINE - do you guys honestly believe not having quarantine practices in place is NOT a big deal?

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Quarantine!!!!!

However breeders tend to gain a comfort level with one another and tend to have confidants in them. So they tend to just expect that they shouldn't have too. But it just goes to show you that you can never be to carefull.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

It was, Ed said that April contacted him, apparently not to her satisfaction if she still felt she should post here.




Ralph writes that he has never had mites in his collection.



And I purchased three snakes in Daytona, other than ones I had already purchased and were delivered. I had my can of PAM with me and the enclosures I brought with me were pre-treated, as were the enclosures in quarantine when I brought them home - no mites.

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you must think a lot of me to quote me so much.

i was refering to people that went to reptile shows took nothing home but a mite on there pant leg then crawled into there snake tubs/ not common but we are dealing with parasites

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

If you quarentine your new snake when you get it from Ed, thent here shouldn't be an issue, should there?
Everyone that has large numbers of snakes in and out will have mites sooner or later. A couple mites can travel in anything, a bedding scoop, on the cat, your sleeve..
To immediately start talking IBD is a bit inflamatory in my opinion. Ed hasn't got IBD, no one here has IBD from his snakes.
Someone had some mites. Yes, mites CAN carry desease, but in reality, the buyer used some PAM, killed the mites. If the buyer has done proper q-time themselves, then they shouldn't have any issues.
I'd buy from Ed Clark. I practice q-time for any new animals coming in, so I wouldn't have to worry about mites or IBD or whatever transferring from my new animal. I've gotten snakes shipped multiples to one bag, and none were harmed by it.
Jumping around like undisiplined monkeys over a small issue that should be resolved between buyer and seller is a bit wasteful of time.
Wolfy

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Another ridiculous post. Who is the monkey?

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

amazed :eek:

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Not sure why? My quarantine procedures are incredibly strict and it is impossible for a sick/mites infected/tick infested animal to make it into my main collection.

With a little attention to detail and a solid plan for dealing with new acquisitions, anyone can achieve the same results.

I love my animals and do whatever it takes to keep them safe and healthy.

-adam

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

1. 5 in one bag? :eek: That's not good at all.

2. Yes IBD does kill BP's a lot quicker then it does boa's. BUT IBD IS SUPER HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS! What if.... what if Ed did have IBD running around because of mites and Aprils' two new snakes had it and it *somehow* still managed to get to the rest of her collection and wiped it all out.... You really have to put these kind of thoughts forward when it comes to these kind of things.

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But how many people have boughten from him without a complaint?! Hundreds! Maybe even thousands!! I still think he should separate, just becasue I am paranoid. Mike is a PRO!! He knows what he is doing.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

But how many people have boughten from him without a complaint?! Hundreds! Maybe even thousands!! I still think he should separate, just becasue I am paranoid. Mike is a PRO!! He knows what he is doing.

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bingo

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Not sure why? My quarantine procedures are incredibly strict and it is impossible for a sick/mites infected/tick infested animal to make it into my main collection.

With a little attention to detail and a solid plan for dealing with new acquisitions, anyone can achieve the same results.

I love my animals and do whatever it takes to keep them safe and healthy.

-adam

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i am not talking about an infestation. i am talking about seeing one period. even on a new animal.
and if you havent. may your luck continue for 1000 years.

Man i bet the snakes are quarantined and the enclosures have been PAMMED by now..... :)

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Mike is a PRO!! He knows what he is doing.

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Well then I must be an amateur because I would NEVER send out a box with more than one snake per bag or deli cup and would be very ticked if I recieved animals that way no matter WHO sent them.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Heres the problem with the mites in 1 of my baby racks. I bought a pair of ball python morphs for myself to keep that came from BHB in Michigan about a week and a half ago. gave them a quick soaking then put them into one of my baby racks.

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Ok Mights can be a problem. and yes they can spread bad bugs. (this already said)

But here is the thing. this quote states nothing about there being other snakes in the "baby rack". I have a baby rack and I have no snakes in it yet. He is a good breeder and I would think he would have more than one baby rack and some empty ones for quarantine. I also know what you can wash your hands, face and take every step to keep mites away but all it takes is 2 mites to make hundreds. they could have been on his cloths, under a finger nail, what have you. it then can be spread to another rack with out him ever knowing. it happens to the best of us. I have yet to have mites *knocks on wood* and some of you who have alot of snakes and have been breeding for many years have never gotten them.

Ed never said that he hasn't quarantined his snakes. I think we should all lay off him for a while and quit this. Alot of you jump to conclusions and put words in others text. That was one of the reasions I left here for so long.

I'm sorry that this happened to you Ed and I have fath in you that you can get this under control. Keep your chin up. :hug:

Justin, I never said he wasn't a good breeder. Mike is a good breeder but shipping 5 snakes in 1 bag isn't exactly the best procedures of shipping snakes.

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

Ok Mights can be a problem. and yes they can spread bad bugs. (this already said)

But here is the thing. this quote states nothing about there being other snakes in the "baby rack". I have a baby rack and I have no snakes in it yet. He is a good breeder and I would think he would have more than one baby rack and some empty ones for quarantine. I also know what you can wash your hands, face and take every step to keep mites away but all it takes is 2 mites to make hundreds. they could have been on his cloths, under a finger nail, what have you. it then can be spread to another rack with out him ever knowing. it happens to the best of us. I have yet to have mites *knocks on wood* and some of you who have alot of snakes and have been breeding for many years have never gotten them.

Ed never said that he hasn't quarantined his snakes. I think we should all lay off him for a while and quit this. Alot of you jump to conclusions and put words in others text. That was one of the reasions I left here for so long.

I'm sorry that this happened to you Ed and I have fath in you that you can get this under control. Keep your chin up. :hug:

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What is a Might?

So, if this was originally delt with privately I am curious as to what, if any, additional unsatisfactory relations caused Shelby to feel the need to post this here.
And also, treated or not, were there any other customers babies in that rack that need notified?

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

Ok Mights can be a problem. and yes they can spread bad bugs. (this already said)

But here is the thing. this quote states nothing about there being other snakes in the "baby rack". I have a baby rack and I have no snakes in it yet. He is a good breeder and I would think he would have more than one baby rack and some empty ones for quarantine. I also know what you can wash your hands, face and take every step to keep mites away but all it takes is 2 mites to make hundreds. they could have been on his cloths, under a finger nail, what have you. it then can be spread to another rack with out him ever knowing. it happens to the best of us. I have yet to have mites *knocks on wood* and some of you who have alot of snakes and have been breeding for many years have never gotten them.

Ed never said that he hasn't quarantined his snakes. I think we should all lay off him for a while and quit this. Alot of you jump to conclusions and put words in others text. That was one of the reasions I left here for so long.

I'm sorry that this happened to you Ed and I have fath in you that you can get this under control. Keep your chin up. :hug:

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Jessie, he admitted to putting the two new snakes in the baby tub with April's snakes - that's not quarantine.

And for those of you who don't think it's a big deal, you're sadly mistaken.

Ed still has not addressed his lack of quarantine - and none of you find that speaks volumes?

sorry I was in a hurry to type because I'm cooking and I spelled it wrong LAY OFF!

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

But here is the thing. this quote states nothing about there being other snakes in the "baby rack".

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read:

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid
Where April's 2 in that same rack as those other 8?

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Yes, and I had no idea there were mites in that rack.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Well then I must be an amateur because I would NEVER send out a box with more than one snake per bag or deli cup and would be very ticked if I recieved animals that way no matter WHO sent them.

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Nah, it just means your opinion is different.

I meant that if Mike saw something wrong with the way he does things, he would have changed it.

SPJ, we have simaller opinion, but I am not going to dought someone who has bien doing this for many many years, exspecaily if it has worked!

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Justin, I never said he wasn't a good breeder. Mike is a good breeder but shipping 5 snakes in 1 bag isn't exactly the best procedures of shipping snakes.

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I never said you said he was a bad one!;)

i agree, but he is a Pro, he knows what he is doing, hopefully!

the fact that mites are so easily spread is THE reason why it IS a big deal. because if you get a new snake and it has mites, even if you immediately treat with pam and follow all the correct quarantine procedures, what if one or two of those mites hop off the snake and onto something else before you realize they are there and treat them? they then make their way into your collection via the dog, your shoe, whatever. then you have an outbreak in your entire collection all because of a few little mites that came in on a new snake. not good!

i don't really understand how some of you are attempting to justify the situation by saying how easily spread mites are, when that is the reason why receiving a new snake that is infested is such a big deal to begin with... :confused:

This is one of the only worries I had about Ed and reselling animals. I have never bought animals from Ed and have never asked him about his quarantine procedures... but it scares me in the same way that it would scare me to buy an animal from a pet store. Quarantine isn't in place because for many resellers there isn't time to do it. Anyone with a fast-moving inventory is something to be cautious of.

Look. Ed messed up. He knows better then to put un-quarantined snakes with purchased/clean or whatever snakes. I think as a seller he should take strict caution with WHATEVER reptile he sells. Guessing your snake is clean is a HUGE no-no. Ed will hopefully learn from this. As for April posting about this on the forum, I believe she has the right. Ed doesnt sell JUST to April. He sells to any willing buyer. April was making others aware of what happened. Let's not let this thread get ugly and locked out. Let's go see 300 ok?! :D

Here we go, I'm going to be completely honest here I love this forum, but many times Its bothersome to read a thread like this one. Where two groups of people start going at it, Yes I agree Ed messed up, and he should of had a better answer for this whole predicament. But with that said, wow we can become hostile quick. And if he's being honest about BHB doesn't that make you think that maybe things aren't as perfect as they seem even with the big breeders.

Just a little solid info here on mites folks....(thanks to VPI but the bolding is my addition)...

The protonymph stage lasts from three days to two weeks. This stage is mobile and may move considerable distances. Protonymphs are able to detect and are attracted by the smell of snakes. They require a blood meal to metamorphose to the next stage. Unfed protonymphs are pale ivory or yellowish in color, and they are almost invisible to the naked eye. The sharp-eyed, observant keeper may notice pale protonymphs walking across scale surfaces, especially on a snake's head plates. When engorged after a blood meal, protonymphs are dark red, smaller than adult females and not black in color. After full engorgement, protonymphs become active. Typically, they leave their host snakes and travel until they find a dark, humid location in the snake cage, where they shed, 12 to 24 hours after feeding.
It is common to find engorged protonymphs drowned in the water bowls in snake cages, often the first obvious sign of the presence of snake mites in the cage. The observant keeper will notice them sunk to the bottom of the bowl, looking like little flat pieces of pepper that, upon close inspection, are seen to have legs.

Since obviously this is the stage in the life cycle of a mite that it is most "visible" and seen easily by the naked eye, then how do you explain not seeing something that can be around for "3 days to 2 weeks" on a snake you are shipping out to customer or in that snake's enclosure or in an enclosure in that rack. It seems Ed has found and now treated these mites so how in the world did Shelby end up with two snakes with visible mites. They were invisible and now suddenly visible?????

I was just wondering since Ed has been grilled by several different posters w/ questions I had a few for Shelby ( maybe I missed the answers to the questions somewhere in all these posts, if so please beg my pardon )

Shelby,
When the snakes first arrived did you contact Ed asap about the two snakes in one bag and the mites before you posted on here?
If not why?

If so what did he say?

And if you did contact him first did you let him know if he didn't post to let buyers know of the mite problem you where going to?

I would think contacting him first and giving him the chance to post about the problem would have been the right way to go and then if he was slip shot on it then posting to inform everyone so buyers could beware.

Just trying to get a clear idea of how this all went down and where his head and yours was before I go off making opinions on Ed or the subject.

Thanks.

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

the point has been made. both sides have been herd. mistakes happen.
or are we all soooooo perfect. i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people. so i am sure he will more than take care of it.

CALL OFF THE DOGS

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

the point has been made. both sides have been herd. mistakes happen.
or all we all soooooo perfect. i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people. so i am sure he will more than take care of it.

CALL OFF THE DOGS

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Matt - they would be held just as accountable - Ed has never stepped on my toes and he needs to answer questions posed to him, not ignore them.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

the point has been made. both sides have been herd. mistakes happen.
or are we all soooooo perfect. i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people. so i am sure he will more than take care of it.

CALL OFF THE DOGS

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I often wonder if you have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Then I read the posts and all doubt vanishes.

Hey all, sorry I left this logged in (I was out of the house for a few hours)

Yes, I contacted Ed first. I will post the PMs I sent and Ed's responses:

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

April, did not know I had mites in the baby rack, have been buying some rodents from the pet shop the last couple of months and maybe thats what happened?


the black ate on sat and the pastel last weekend. small rats, sorry about giving you the gift that keeps on giving. :)

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Originally Posted by Shelby

Hi Ed, the snakes arrived about an hour or so ago, they were still warm and all, however, I found mites on them.

Needless to say, that does not please me. I suggest you remedy that situation ASAP.

So, right now they are chilling out in PAM treated tubs, and I sincerely hope none are spread to any of the rest of my collection.

April

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And my second PM which Ed did not reply to:

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Originally Posted by Shelby

Hm.. well considering that snake mites have no interest in rodents, it'd have to be a pretty unsanitary pet store for the mites to be on the rats.

Either way.. I would suggest if you want to keep happy customers that you check over every snake before you ship it out.

Also I'm going to have to post what happened in the feedback forum.. I believe potential customers have a right to know. Mites are a bane to us all, but fortunately they are easily prevented with a bit of care.

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My issue is.. the mites were clearly visible.. quite a few under the scales on the sides and belly of the cinny, and a few crawling around over her face and back. I treated the tubs right away with PAM, however the risk is real that one or more escaped the PAM. Unfortunately my quarantine room is right next door to the main room (I live with my parents so I don't have the luxury of a quarantine room that is further from the main collection) so there's only so much I can do.

Yes, everyone sooner or later is going to come across mites, but there are ways to easily prevent them from being sent out to your customers.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

the point has been made. both sides have been herd. mistakes happen.
or are we all soooooo perfect. i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people. so i am sure he will more than take care of it.

CALL OFF THE DOGS

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Yeah, thats it....there a huge conspiracy to turn Ed into a martyr. :rolleye2:

If Adam didn't practice quarantine then sold animals from his collection without realizing that they have disease-transmitting parasites, it would become known.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people.

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no one has accused ed of trying to "screw people". that isn't what this thread is about at all.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

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You know Matt I'm about tired of being politically correct and nice. Will you please desist in treating us like we are a mindless group of followers who spend all our waking moments kissing up to Adam! #1 we don't, #2 that's insulting and #3 Adam doesn't have the ego that requires stupidity like that!

Now you call off your little yapping dog! People here are very concerned about this...NOT because of who Ed is or isn't...because of what he did. Clear enough?

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

the point has been made. both sides have been herd. mistakes happen.
or are we all soooooo perfect. i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people. so i am sure he will more than take care of it.

CALL OFF THE DOGS

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Matt, you may not consider mites on a thousand dollar snake very serious, or the fact that Ed can't spring for a $1 bag, but I think many people feel otherwise. I don't think it would be any different if it happened to any other breeder, but the fact is it happened to Ed and he alone has to answer for it. It has nothing to do with how many snakes he has sold or resold.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

You know Matt I'm about tired of being politically correct and nice. Will you please desist in treating us like we are a mindless group of followers who spend all our waking moments kissing up to Adam! #1 we don't, #2 that's insulting and #3 Adam doesn't have the ego that requires stupidity like that!

Now you call off your little yapping dog! People here are very concerned about this...NOT because of who Ed is or isn't...because of what he did. Clear enough?

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VERY well said Joanna!

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to frankykeno again.

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if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd

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"IF" it would be an issue and they would need to address it, however this thread is not about them is it?

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Originally Posted by EDCLARK

April, did not know I had mites in the baby rack, have been buying some rodents from the pet shop the last couple of months and maybe thats what happened?

the black ate on sat and the pastel last weekend. small rats, sorry about giving you the gift that keeps on giving.

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So how did you get the mites, Ed? Was it from the pet store rat or BHB? :confused:

And I must say that I'm more than a little shocked at your flippant remark about the "gift that keeps on giving". I would think you would have taken this matter a little more seriously considering your repuation and the quality of morphs you're selling. :colbert:

I'm confused - he tells April he got mites from rats, he tells the forum he got them from BHB....which is it?

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

if this thred was about a snake from adam or rd that showed up with mites everyone on here would of hung the person who started it for bringing it to a public fourm. but due the the fact that ed has been moving snakes on here like a tornado and is steping on peoples toes. we are going to keep it public and hang him high. at the end it is just sad.

the point has been made. both sides have been herd. mistakes happen.
or are we all soooooo perfect. i doubt ed has stayed in this bizz as long as he has by screwing people. so i am sure he will more than take care of it.

CALL OFF THE DOGS

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In this forum we value Ed as much as Adam!! Adam springs up with new info more than Ed. But Ed deffanatly posts more pictures than Adam!! And Info and pictures is part of waht makes this forum complete!!:rockon:

i'm not sure it's really even possible to surmise whether the mites came from the rats or from the bhb snakes since they weren't quarantined...

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

sorry about giving you the gift that keeps on giving. :)

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:confused: is that supposed to be funny or is that an apology? i'm a little confused by that response and then by your failure to respond at all. :hmm:

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

"IF" it would be an issue and they would need to address it, however this thread is not about them is it?

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Good one Deborah!

Also mlededee, I took that as he was probably joking?