Disaster!

Glad to hear about their new 'digs'. Rats love to be active and play.

Yes, they have chew toys and treats as well....they are pretty spoiled for feeders. The babies are getting big! Their eyes are open and they are eating food now...I am so excited at their progress.

i'm so glad to read your ratties are doing better in their new digs ;)

i just read this thread and i have to say... it really saddens me to see the members of this forum jump all over someone like this. it's almost like some of our members sit and wait for someone to post something they 'can' jump on. :spid0r:

would it really be all that hard for people to be kind with their words? remembering that someone with feelings is sitting on the other end reading them?

personally, i've been trying to pretend that each poster is my very best friend... someone i truly care about... as if a friend emailed me with a similar situation... and so, when i respond to their words - i respond with 'kindness and information' instead of 'criticism and information'.

of course, i'm guilty of having some "not favorites" who post here and it makes me want to respond accordingly :mad: ... but that doesn't mean i have to do it. i can just click on another thread and leave it be. it's my choice... my free choice, my free will... :sunny: and i choose to be kind rather than posting something i know will hurt another, give them a bad day etc.

so perhaps, the next time we want to pounce on a poster... we could 'kill 'em with kindness' instead?

Well, the cat was only acting on instinct.. to be mad at it is not fair. Now, I had a rat escape before, and I actually brought my cat into the room.. he found it within minutes and got a pet on the head.
Please make sure your cat has no access to the rats in the future! Not only could this happen again, but it's got to be really stressful for the ratties; mine are sectioned off in the laundry room where the cat cannot go.

Thanks Recycling GODDESS...:sweeet:


Heavens forbid they make a mistake. I think if they did, they would never post it...

The rats have it made....they are living the good life until I decide it is time to have them off'ed :snake:

The cat is also fine. In fact, my fiance just built him a tower to play on. It looks like it was store bought...better even. It has 2 cubby holes and a perch on the top. He was playing on it with the ferrets yesterday. It was pretty hilarious. When he gets into "devil cat" mood, nothing is safe:devil: :devilish: :kitty:

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Heavens forbid they make a mistake. I think if they did, they would never post it...

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I don't know about anyone else, but after seeing you get ripped apart in this thread, I will not be posting my mistakes! And I've already made a couple with my mouse breeding project. I'm just relieved I have a trusted friend I can call for helpful advice!

sarah, that's exactly what i was thinking. seeing how this post... and how judy's thread about wanting a kitten has gone (as simply two examples)... people on this forum are getting waaaay too aggressive/forceful/negative etc and forgetting to be kind to others.

makes me sad :(

but what i CAN and will continue to do... is support the people who are making mistakes. share in a loving, kind way instead of ripping them apart - offer helpful suggestions... and hope... that if and when i post my mistakes... others choose to support me instead of cutting my throat with their words. :hug:

let's shine people... let's shine! :sunny:

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sarah, that's exactly what i was thinking. seeing how this post... and how judy's thread about wanting a kitten has gone (as simply two examples)... people on this forum are getting waaaay too aggressive/forceful/negative etc and forgetting to be kind to others.

makes me sad :(

but what i CAN and will continue to do... is support the people who are making mistakes. share in a loving, kind way instead of ripping them apart - offer helpful suggestions... and hope... that if and when i post my mistakes... others choose to support me instead of cutting my throat with their words. :hug:

let's shine people... let's shine! :sunny:

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I disagree. I maintain that my initial response based on the information given was not excessively harsh. It may not have been the way YOU wanted to hear it but I'm not big on conforming. :) Be kind to your pets. People have the ability to understand and reason and can fend for themselves.

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sarah, that's exactly what i was thinking. seeing how this post... and how judy's thread about wanting a kitten has gone (as simply two examples)... people on this forum are getting waaaay too aggressive/forceful/negative etc and forgetting to be kind to others.

makes me sad :(

but what i CAN and will continue to do... is support the people who are making mistakes. share in a loving, kind way instead of ripping them apart - offer helpful suggestions... and hope... that if and when i post my mistakes... others choose to support me instead of cutting my throat with their words. :hug:

let's shine people... let's shine! :sunny:

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When did it become a RIGHT in this country (or anywhere in this world) to not be offended? When did it become the responsibility of every living soul to forever tread tiptoe through a field of eggshells lest we hurt someone's feelings? Have we become so craven we dare not speak the truth for fear of what another might think? Dare to grow up. Accept the truth when spoken, even though it causes offense. And dare to speak truth with courage and love.

This signature quote I'm now sporting was inspired by this very thread. And this is one of those cases where I feel I must dare to speak up.

Not everything in this world is going to be shiney, loving and kind. And not everyone will interpret even those seemingly simple concepts in the same way to begin with. What one person considers perfectly helpful and supportive may be taken by someone else to be blunt, harsh and offensive.

We must work hard to strike the balance between being "friendly" and being "honest." And now...just as some folks are saying they should be afraid to post a mistake they've made....you, and others, are trying to make people afraid of expressing their honest feelings about an issue.

I say...if you want to learn from a mistake...post it and learn from it. Be willing to take some criticism...it's not gonna kill you. AND...if you want to express your feelings about something someone else has said or done....then do so. But be willing to take some heat for that too. If one side can express their feelings, then so can the other.

Respect for this forum and the community as a whole is absolutely essential to maintain the friendly, welcoming environment we strive for. But "Friendly" and "Welcoming" does not mean there will never be friction or disagreements. Come on people. Lead by example...but don't expect every soul to emmulate that example. We're all different...see things differently...interpret things differently...and express ourselves differently. Ya just gotta deal with it.

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When did it become a RIGHT in this country (or anywhere in this world) to not be offended? When did it become the responsibility of every living soul to forever tread tiptoe through a field of eggshells lest we hurt someone's feelings? Have we become so craven we dare not speak the truth for fear of what another might think? Dare to grow up. Accept the truth when spoken, even though it causes offense. And dare to speak truth with courage and love.

This signature quote I'm now sporting was inspired by this very thread. And this is one of those cases where I feel I must dare to speak up.

Not everything in this world is going to be shiney, loving and kind. And not everyone will interpret even those seemingly simple concepts in the same way to begin with. What one person considers perfectly helpful and supportive may be taken by someone else to be blunt, harsh and offensive.

We must work hard to strike the balance between being "friendly" and being "honest." And now...just as some folks are saying they should be afraid to post a mistake they've made....you, and others, are trying to make people afraid of expressing their honest feelings about an issue.

I say...if you want to learn from a mistake...post it and learn from it. Be willing to take some criticism...it's not gonna kill you. AND...if you want to express your feelings about something someone else has said or done....then do so. But be willing to take some heat for that too. If one side can express their feelings, then so can the other.

Respect for this forum and the community as a whole is absolutely essential to maintain the friendly, welcoming environment we strive for. But "Friendly" and "Welcoming" does not mean there will never be friction or disagreements. Come on people. Lead by example...but don't expect every soul to emmulate that example. We're all different...see things differently...interpret things differently...and express ourselves differently. Ya just gotta deal with it.

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I know its only February but do I hear post of the year!? Fantastic stuff Judy! It makes me proud to know you and call you a friend!

i disagree. at least, i disagree about my intentions.

i am not trying to make others afraid to post what they feel... i just simply asking that they remember there's a living breathing emotion-experiencing person on the other side of the conversation... and if they would say it to someone, in real life... sitting across the table from them - to their face... then fine. but if they wouldn't. if they would say it gentler and nicer... then that's how they should post here.

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i disagree. at least, i disagree about my intentions.

i am not trying to make others afraid to post what they feel... i just simply asking that they remember there's a living breathing emotion-experiencing person on the other side of the conversation... and if they would say it to someone, in real life... sitting across the table from them - to their face... then fine. but if they wouldn't. if they would say it gentler and nicer... then that's how they should post here.

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I can only speak for myself as one of the people who took her to task (rather strongly) based on what she posted. I am pretty sure if you ask anyone who has ever met me, that they will tell you I am the same person you see here, like it or not. To be otherwise would be two faced and I don't play that. I say it the way I see it. Sometimes people disagree and can convince me where I may have been wrong. Sometimes people disagree and I tell them they are an idiot and that I am right. Just because this is the Internet and words are typed on a keyboard instead of spoken face to face doesn't mean that you aren't going to get called out by people when they see something that warrants it.

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I can only speak for myself as one of the people who took her to task (rather strongly) based on what she posted. I am pretty sure if you ask anyone who has ever met me, that they will tell you I am the same person you see here, like it or not. To be otherwise would be two faced and I don't play that. I say it the way I see it.

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and if they would say it to someone, in real life... sitting across the table from them - to their face... then fine. but if they wouldn't. if they would say it gentler and nicer... then that's how they should post here.

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well then jamie... we agree. :cool:

Something, that I am not sure about...

In New York City, rats are concidered a PEST. They are not concidered PETS. I feed my snake mice and will be moving to rats very soon. But then they will be food.

From what I understand, this thread is in the FEEDERS forum. Therefore the rats were intended to be food. Does it matter if they get fed to a snake or a cat? Food is Food.

I once had a german sheppard DOG grab a 14oz steak off a picinic table and eat it. I was upset, but since it was my dog, I said to my dad (who was more upset) Hey, he is just making sure that he gets his share! Everyone laughed and we put another steak on the grill -- but from that point on, we kept an eye on him when raw meat was around.

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And now...just as some folks are saying they should be afraid to post a mistake they've made....you, and others, are trying to make people afraid of expressing their honest feelings about an issue.

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Excuse me, but I'm not trying to make anyone feel anything. I'm posting what *I* feel, take it and do whatever you (collective) want with it. Personally, I think every person is able to make up their own minds.

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I say...if you want to learn from a mistake...post it and learn from it. Be willing to take some criticism...it's not gonna kill you.

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I think people are able to learn from their mistakes 1) Before they decide to share their experience with others and 2) without being told they are unfit in the situation due to one incident.

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If one side can express their feelings, then so can the other.

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And the attitude that the posts in this thread are just harmless opinions is exactly what would make me think that sharing a bad experience here would be an invitation to be torn apart.

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Respect for this forum and the community as a whole is absolutely essential to maintain the friendly, welcoming environment we strive for. But "Friendly" and "Welcoming" does not mean there will never be friction or disagreements.

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There is a difference between a disagreement and just being plain nasty to other people.

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From what I understand, this thread is in the FEEDERS forum. Therefore the rats were intended to be food. Does it matter if they get fed to a snake or a cat? Food is Food.

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Every animal, whether a companion or one to be used for food deserves respect. A cat would instinctively kill a rat and it would be a needless death.

I tend to say what is on my mind as well, but fortunately I don't type nearly as fast as my brain and mouth function so I get a chance to look over my responses before I hit that "Submit Reply" button.

I've found myself in plenty of confrontations over the years when I knew I was right or I felt I had to voice my opinion, and it would typically turn into a combative discussion where both parties were trying to be heard and at the same time defend themselves.

My wife on the other hand is Mrs. Diplomat. I've discovered that she will usually get things accomplished by being diplomatic and working with the person instead of just shouting their opinion like I have a tendancy to do. So now when I find myself in a situation where I want to smack some sense into the person I'm dealing with, I'll let my wife take over and allow her to actually get something accomplished instead of just letting me and the other person rant and rave.

There's nothing wrong with having strong opinions or voicing your opinion, but when you do it aggressively and accusingly, you usually find yourself not accomplishing much and may even get the opposite results than you intended.

I can honestly say this time around I was attempting to be humorous.

That said I admit I'm not the same on the forums as I am in real life. I tend to tone it down a lot here.

Judy, GREAT post. Great post.

And Akiva, Jamie's response to your post was exactly what I would have said.

Oh why not wade in here. I thought it best to step back and re-evaluate but sometimes stepping back gets nothing done.

As far as tearing into someone for a mistake...sorry but I'm one of the first to step up and talk about my own mistakes, hoping someone can learn from my errors, so no I don't take it lightly when someone blows off a deliberate act as a "mistake" and it puts a living creature in peril. This was not a case of someone asking for help to adjust a problem or sharing something that happened in an effort to educate others. At least that is not how it read.

Next, I'd say what I said in this thread to anyone's face as much as I would online. I don't play keyboard hero, never have, never will. I'll go out of my way to help someone but I don't spoonfeed other adults. I think that's degrading to them and disrespectful to treat someone as if they are not able to face their own actions. That may be harsh but I don't and wouldn't want someone to be any less with me if they truly felt I messed up and didn't take responsibility for it.

Next, Akiva...whether those rats are meant as a prey item or not they do not deserve harrassment by a predatory cat while they are trapped in a 10 gallon tank with their offspring. Part of our love of our snakes, I feel, must be a sense of respect to the prey that sustains their lives. Accidents truly can happen when one has rodents in a home with dogs or cats. It's part of good planning to make sure that whatever we do, we minimize those risk factors. It's also not smart husbandry of a breeder/feeder colony to have this sort of thing happen and ends up wasting time and resources (if you want to look at it from a purely "business" standpoint).

My issue was never only with the fact that rats died. That was a sorry thing and could have been avoided. My issue was and remains with her reaction of blaming a cat for being a cat, being inhumane to the creature in response to her own admission of being mad at herself (but taking it out on her cat) and in the end, this member being upset that we are picking on her and completely missing the point that in this particular case she set herself up to be censored.

Re-read the intial post...this was more about her being frustrated because she had a bad day....sure seems like her rats and her cat had a much worse day and that was my and others concern.

Finally, Aleesha, using smilies to indicate that certain members of this forum are in some way akin to spiders sitting on webs just waiting to pounce on other members is sad and something I never thought to see a moderator at BPNet do.

Judy, lovely post...timely and well said.

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I am pretty sure if you ask anyone who has ever met me, that they will tell you I am the same person you see here, like it or not. To be otherwise would be two faced and I don't play that. I say it the way I see it. Sometimes people disagree and can convince me where I may have been wrong. Sometimes people disagree and I tell them they are an idiot and that I am right. Just because this is the Internet and words are typed on a keyboard instead of spoken face to face doesn't mean that you aren't going to get called out by people when they see something that warrants it.

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ditto

I am 100% the same person on and off line
if I'm not liked because of it.. oh well

jo,

that's where we each read this thread differently. you read it as someone being abusive or disrespectful to a critter. i read it as people being abusive and disrespectful to another person.

in recent threads... specifically since december... i've read many threads which (from my perspective) other members are jumping all over each other. it's sad... cause everyone seems to be much more negative than they were before or (again my opinion) they need to be.

i'm sorry the spider smilie upset you and offended you.

in light,
aleesha

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that's where we each read this thread differently. you read it as someone being abusive or disrespectful to a critter. i read it as people being abusive and disrespectful to another person.

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Animals need our defense and protection. People can fend for themselves.

Personally, I don't see where throwing a cat outside for an hour is "inhumane" or "abusive". These are words used to play on emotions when no harm was actually done. Now, if some sort of ACTUAL.....read that word and savor it, people....harm had been done to the animal, there might be a case for the harsh words words used in this thread. But no harm was done, which seems to have escaped some people.
Seriously people, use that energy to fight for a real cause, not to be internet warriors.

The cat was outside for an hour. Oh, the horror. Somebody call PETA!

Sarah making comments about words used specifically to play on reader's emotions while you are doing the same in your post, well it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Well Jo, nothing about this thread makes much sense to me, period. You pointed out that the original post wasn't asking for help, and ignored the fact that the OP said she already felt "sooo bad". And yet you and others felt it was somehow necessary to beat her into the ground over something she has freely admitted was a mistake.
Four pages later you say your issue is with the fact that she blamed the cat and then admitted it was her own fault. Well, what else would you have her do? Honestly, she made a mistake, she owned up to it, and then she was told she should never own animals. I see this as an overreaction.

Thanks for supporting me on this one! :oops:

I think it is funny that these people think I shouldn't own animals. I take such good care of them. Every need they have is met and I go the extra mile to do things for them (ex: brushing the dog's teeth). There are so many people out there that really SHOULDN'T own animals but I am not one of them.

FYI, the cat is fine. He is completely over it unlike maybe some people here. lol.
The rats are doing well too. Thanks for the concern though.:)

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Well Jo, nothing about this thread makes much sense to me, period. You pointed out that the original post wasn't asking for help, and ignored the fact that the OP said she already felt "sooo bad". And yet you and others felt it was somehow necessary to beat her into the ground over something she has freely admitted was a mistake.
Four pages later you say your issue is with the fact that she blamed the cat and then admitted it was her own fault. Well, what else would you have her do? Honestly, she made a mistake, she owned up to it, and then she was told she should never own animals. I see this as an overreaction.

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Wrong. The issue from the start was the blaming and punishment of the cat. People need to buck up and take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming those that take them to task on it. Peace and love and coddling and puppy dogs isn't the way sometimes.

SARAHMB, if you do ever need to vent or talk about mistakes that have been made and don't feel comfortable here, there are other message boards out there that are a little less harsh about us "animal abusers"..lol.

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Wrong. The issue from the start was the blaming and punishment of the cat. People need to buck up and take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming those that take them to task on it. Peace and love and coddling and puppy dogs isn't the way sometimes.

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Actually, she did in fact take responsibility in post 14, which was her second post in the thread.

Wolfsnaps, you're welcome and thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure if I'm already signed up on that forum, but I'll check.

I think there is a double standard on this board.

If someone were to say 'my snake bit me so I turned off his heat because I was mad' I think there would be a lot more people agreeing that it is not good.

Yet, when someone says a cat is thrown out in the cold it's ok.
You all may not be cat/dog/whatever animal lovers but every animal deserves the same respect.

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Actually, she did in fact take responsibility in post 14, which was her second post in the thread.

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Yes, and in post #15 I said:

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Putting the cat in another room and closing the door would have sufficed. Its great that you take care of your animals, but in this case you punished the cat for your mistake. People are judged by their actions, whether intentionally wrong or mistaken. Its what you do to make changes and turn things around that matters most. I love seeing new people here learning and becoming better caretakers for their pets and meeting new friends. I have met tons of people on here and made some great friends.

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Most of what has been discussed since then (at least by me) has had nothing to do directly with her. In a couple of posts there was a productive debate about animal rights and then in one post I stood by what I said at the beginning. Where am I still attacking her (for which I was negative repped yesterday, most likely by you)?

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SARAHMB, if you do ever need to vent or talk about mistakes that have been made and don't feel comfortable here, there are other message boards out there that are a little less harsh about us "animal abusers"..lol.

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Don't let the door hit you... :D

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Actually, she did in fact take responsibility in post 14, which was her second post in the thread.

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I don't think this topic has much to do with her anymore

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Well Jo, nothing about this thread makes much sense to me, period. You pointed out that the original post wasn't asking for help, and ignored the fact that the OP said she already felt "sooo bad". And yet you and others felt it was somehow necessary to beat her into the ground over something she has freely admitted was a mistake.
Four pages later you say your issue is with the fact that she blamed the cat and then admitted it was her own fault. Well, what else would you have her do? Honestly, she made a mistake, she owned up to it, and then she was told she should never own animals. I see this as an overreaction.

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right on. :rockon: :bounce:

they never do after the 5th page of going on and on and on and on and on and on.

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they never do after the 5th page of going on and on and on and on and on and on.

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Matt (or Gerry),

Please...You have nothing productive to add and as usual are following me around to just disagree. I thought we were past this but obviously not. Give it a rest.

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Matt (or Gerry),

Please...You have nothing productive to add and as usual are following me around to just disagree. I thought we were past this but obviously not. Give it a rest.

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i was just responding to Jenns comment. i think you are taking things to personal. LOL

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i was just responding to Jenns comment. i think you are taking things to personal. LOL

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I'm sure that's what it was...

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I'm sure that's what it was...

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well that was easy to fix. if you are sure than i am sure. have a nice day jglass :)

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SARAHMB, if you do ever need to vent or talk about mistakes that have been made and don't feel comfortable here, there are other message boards out there that are a little less harsh about us "animal abusers"..lol.

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Look the fact is you don't like what was said to you by some of us and that's fine, no one says we all have to agree on every issue on a public forum. However, publically promoting another board and encouraging other members to go there is against the TOS and really isn't very appropriate. So one thread isn't to your liking, so what. What about the hundreds of other helpful threads that exist here. If you want to go elsewhere, that is your choice. If you want to encourage other members to go with you, again your choice but in that choice is the responsibility to show respect to the Admin, Mods and Members of BPNet who participate here on a daily basis and have done so for a very long time.

I see that your post has been edited for this TOS violation and I do hope you understand that moderation isn't an easy role here especially in difficult threads.

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Most of what has been discussed since then (at least by me) has had nothing to do directly with her. In a couple of posts there was a productive debate about animal rights and then in one post I stood by what I said at the beginning. Where am I still attacking her (for which I was negative repped yesterday, most likely by you)?

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Which is why I wasn't posting to you, but to Judy and Jo. I do think your initial reaction was over the top, and I do understand that you aren't going to see it any other way, so I never even bothered responding to your posts. Nothing productive could come of it.

And no, I didn't neg rep you. I would have left my name if I did. But I don't think I've ever left anyone a neg rep.

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Which is why I wasn't posting to you, but to Judy and Jo.

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I'm not sure why I'm getting accused of "jumping on the OP" (both here and with a neg rep hit) because I never said anything directly to her at all. My words were intended to be directed not only at all the people participating in this thread, but everyone reading it as well.

I will own that I poorly worded one part. I said that some parties were "TRYING" to make it so others were afraid to express their own opinions directly. What I meant to say was that whether you're trying to do that or not, that's what is being accomplished.

But even so, the rest of my post should have been taken as support to stand up and say what you believe. Say it and own it. Just don't expect to not be offended at what someone else says...and don't expect that we have some right to never be offended at times. People will be people. Take it on the chin...say what you think is right...and then let your words stand for themselves. 'Nuff said.

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I'm not sure why I'm getting accused of "jumping on the OP" (both here and with a neg rep hit) because I never said anything directly to her at all. My words were intended to be directed not only at all the people participating in this thread, but everyone reading it as well.

I will own that I poorly worded one part. I said that some parties were "TRYING" to make it so others were afraid to express their own opinions directly. What I meant to say was that whether you're trying to do that or not, that's what is being accomplished.

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Judy, I'm sorry, I did not mean to make it sound like I was accusing you of attacking the OP. I only meant that I was posting to you in response to what I felt was an attack against me. I can see that I was not clear about that.

....Miss Shadow busted a 10 gallon full of a litter of hoppers on me one time....I woke up at about 2 a.m. to the sound of glass breaking....ran into the next room only to be crippled by several pieces of glass getting lodged in my foot.....

I was the only one injured in the mess.....Miss Shadow and the mice were fine....kinda served me right for putting the strap across the bottom of the tank instead of the top....oh well....

Miss Shadow hunted down all mice while I limped along behind her with a tub to put them in....good times ;)

Cats are funny animals. Unlike dogs, punishment will get you no where. If a cat is doing something 'bad' and you blast it with a misting bottle or give it a smack on the butt......the cat will only recognize that it can not do what it wants to when you are around......then the cat will logically assume that when you are not around it can do whatever it wants.....that is why they almost always 'get into stuff' when you are away instead of doing it right infront of your eyes.....just the nature of the beast.

Outside is not a punishment for Miss Shadow....it is an adventure ;) She is such a cutie :D
http://danielhillreptiles.com/OTHER%...picshadow1.JPG

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Cats are funny animals. Unlike dogs, punishment will get you no where. If a cat is doing something 'bad' and you blast it with a misting bottle or give it a smack on the butt......the cat will only recognize that it can not do what it wants to when you are around......then the cat will logically assume that when you are not around it can do whatever it wants.....that is why they almost always 'get into stuff' when you are away instead of doing it right infront of your eyes.....just the nature of the beast.

Outside is not a punishment for Miss Shadow....it is an adventure ;) She is such a cutie :D
http://danielhillreptiles.com/OTHER%...picshadow1.JPG

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Great picture. Disciplining cats will just get you a night where you wake up with cat piss all over your pillow.

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Great picture. Disciplining cats will just get you a night where you wake up with cat piss all over your pillow.

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hhahaha great quote! that should be in your sig.

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hhahaha great quote! that should be in your sig.

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I'm out of room! I am sure Wild Bill will come along and quote me :) Makes me feel special too.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Cats are funny animals. Unlike dogs, punishment will get you no where. If a cat is doing something 'bad' and you blast it with a misting bottle or give it a smack on the butt......the cat will only recognize that it can not do what it wants to when you are around......then the cat will logically assume that when you are not around it can do whatever it wants.....that is why they almost always 'get into stuff' when you are away instead of doing it right infront of your eyes.....just the nature of the beast.

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This is why I think I'm not a cat person. Cats are too much like me when I was a kid.

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Originally Posted by smasharama13

This is why I think I'm not a cat person. Cats are too much like me when I was a kid.

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lol. i have 2 and they are always into something ;) the youngest (Peaches) is always trying to mess with my pit! she is a CRAZY CAT!

but I love em! :wuv:

Oh yeah. With my three demons it's that way. Except Cooper, for some reason he's convinced his tub of cuteness will get him out of trouble for doing something incredibly stupid right in front of me (such as jumping up on the counter going "SO! What's for supper mom?") which then always results in me hissing at him and flicking him with water followed directly by him running for the hills acting as if I dropped acid on him.