For those who have used Equate to treat mites...

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

LOL ... I'm sorry, but this just struck me as funny. I know you don't want a debate, but you do know that there are products out there that actually come with directions for treating your snakes enclosure and won't make you nervous to try right?

Wish I could be more helpful ... Good luck with the mites.

-adam

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I suppose that did come off as a bit funny... :oops: Perhaps I should have said that this person made it seemed like all I had to do was just spray away and all my troubles would be gone (ok, maybe that's a bit too extreme but she certainly didn't mention any specific "guidelines" for using this stuff). Should I just spray away on the enclosure? Should I spray the shelving unit that the tank is on? Should I treat her hides with this stuff as well? I guess that's where my "nervousness" came in... I do realize that there are products out there that actually come with directions for treating my snakes enclosure but even with those I've got a million and one "what if's". Heck, I got step by step directions from my vet for the Ivermectin solution and still got worried that I might screw it up. :D

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Are the risks of someone with no experience with mite treatments REALLY worth saving $20?

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It's also not the issue of saving a penny either. With the amount of money that i've spent so far on vet bills (initial check up / medication / follow-ups) I'm not worried about $20. :banned1: I seriously believe they've got you coming and going! And yes I know I probably could have saved a bundle if I had just purchased PAM (or Equate) in the first place but I figured I'd have her looked at anyway to make sure she was healthy in all other areas.

I have read that both were "for the most part" identical and would/could treat and irradiate mites. Since Wally World was on my way home from the swap I figured I swing by, pick some up and give it a shot.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

And whoever said Ivermectin was only a dewormer, isn't correct. It can be used as a mite/lice killer as well as I've used it to treat lice on rats before(yay rescues... *sigh*). The Ivermectin goes through their blood stream and when the parasites go to take a blood-meal, they ingest the ivermectin and die. We use it to kill ear mites too in conjunction with topical treatment.

I use Provent A Mite, when I need to, because that $17 extra I spent may well save one of my snakes' lives. I think that's all what we need to be concerned about here... Not the cost...

Sounds like some people I know who would rather spend $7 on a bag of crappy dog food, only to have to fix their dog's allergy problems, bladder infections/stones, joint problems later down the road, instead of spending $25 on a good quality dog food and never having any of those problems... All I can say to these people is DUH!

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Again it's not a matter of saving a few bucks... In reading past posts and in seeing that people have had success with BOTH products I figured i'd give the Equate a shot. I suppose if you need to call it anything you can call it "convenience" since the store was right there. As i've seen with so many different posts, everyone has their own way of doing things. (I'm not keen on keeping my snakes in plastic bins but that's just me...) I'm not here to knock anybody but simply looking for a few suggestions. I also know that with any product that contains chemicals (if used improperly) can cause harm and even death in any living creature.

Well i've certainly started my first post off with a "bang"... I also suppose my hopes in no lengthy debates has been well...er...um... Oh let's just leave it at that. :D

So in using EITHER product should I somehow seal up the enclosure after I've sprayed it down or can I just spray it as is and leave it out in the open??? (I got more two cents from someone in passing saying that I should put the tank in one of those large black garbage bags, spray it down, seal it up for about an hour and then open it up and let it air dry) Should I spray the hides as well or should I just wash those in a bleach/water solution? Can I and should I treat the areas surrounding her tank (and with what)?

And thank you to everyone who has contributed in their own little way, shape or form... I do really appreciate it!

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[QUOTE=SatanicIntention]And whoever said Ivermectin was only a dewormer, isn't correct. It can be used as a mite/lice killer as well as I've used it to treat lice on rats before(yay rescues... *sigh*). The Ivermectin goes through their blood stream and when the parasites go to take a blood-meal, they ingest the ivermectin and die. We use it to kill ear mites too in conjunction with topical treatment. [QUOTE]

Actually after reading all these posts where people are concerned about using a product off lable then my statment about it being only a dewormer is accurate. Sure if want to feed Ivermectin to your snake then yes it will kill mites and ticks that bite the snake...but it you are willing to do this then spraying Equate around your snakes cage shouldn't really concern you now should it?

The person who started this post has been using Ivermectin for weeks and still has mites so for them Ivermectin is just a de-wormer and usless. I will simply relaying my experience with Equate and PAM and trying to simply explain why the Ivermectin wasn't working.

I've used Equate bedding spray for Lice several times. Works wonders!

Adam, this was not directed to anyone in particular. maybe to the 12 - 14 year olds that dispense advice freely that really have no business giving advice. owning 1 ball python, 1 leopard gecko, 1 hamster and 1 gerbil does not qualify anyone as an expert and entitle you to give advice! maybe I should have worded my reply differently? :rolleyes:

To the negative rep givers, maybe you really need some balls? if your man or woman enought to give out negative rep, at least own up to it. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Who do you mean ED? :confuzd:

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Adam, this was not directed to anyone in particular. maybe to the 12 - 14 year olds that dispense advice freely that really have no business giving advice. owning 1 ball python, 1 leopard gecko, 1 hamster and 1 gerbil does not qualify anyone as an expert and entitle you to give advice! maybe I should have worded my reply differently? :rolleyes:

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I'm curious, Ed....what sort of collection do you think I have? 30-40 ball pythons? 100? ....one. I have one ball python. And one cape gophersnake. And one beardie. By your definition, I should not be giving advice here? Wow....maybe I should take my 10,000+ post count and go home? (with less than 1% of my posts being "just pictures")

Seriously, Ed...I know you have issues with some people here, but this sort of comment was entirely uncalled for. We have some awesome young people here who have helped far more people than most of the "grown ups." And I would think it more than obvious that the number of animals one owns should have no bearing on how qualified they are to help out around here. Thank all that's good that there ARE people actually willing to help out.

Let's not stoop to a back and forth snapping at each other about rep points, good, bad or otherwise. If someone gave you one you don't agree with Ed, then by all means speak privately to a Mod or Admin. That's their job to deal with such things and, in my little old opinion, best left out of topic threads. :)

As to the PAM vs Equate thing, once again for Mike and I it will never be a debate. PAM's been tested and found safe for use on snakes. Equate was never tested to be safe for use on snakes. It's a $17.00 dollar difference and a bit of inconvenience but for us no biggie. We've never seen a mite, hope like heck we never do but when and if it happens (and it likely will at some point) we'll use PAM, use it with confidence in the research and the years of solid real use by top breeders.

I've never seen the wisdom in reinventing the wheel nor trying to make a square peg fit a round hole.

this thread is the reason i will always only ever use PAM (provent a mite) for my snakes. it broke my heart when this happened...

I have used Equate, not due to price but because it's the only thing I could get within a reasonable amount of time (I tried four different places for PAM and all were out, I tell you the mites had a plan) when I needed it.

I used it according to the PAM instructions and it worked wonderfully. Have had only one mite problem since and it was from a boa someone dropped off that brought a whole other planet with her.

At this point I have both available, I try to stock up on PAM at shows and I also have some cans of Equate as backup.
Cost shouldn't really be the reason you choose one over the other, and personally I made an informed decision, I didn't expect any trouble and didn't get any. Would I recommend this to a novice keeper? No, if you're not sure just go with the tried and true.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

this thread is the reason i will always only ever use PAM (provent a mite) for my snakes. it broke my heart when this happened...

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Wow..that's crazy, Aleesha... she didn't update on that thread--did she post elsewhere about the necropsy results??

not that i can remember... but i'll give her nudge into this thread ;)

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

this thread is the reason i will always only ever use PAM (provent a mite) for my snakes. it broke my heart when this happened...

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That's a very sad thread, although what he used was an actual mixture. The equate spray is in a can. The same can as provent-a-mite but with a differen't label. I would in no way myself use a "mixture" of anything to treat my snakes...even though some that know how to properly use/mix have no problems at all.

The important thing is to use whatever method you decide to go with safely and properly...Whether it's PAM, NiX homebrew, or equate...

Everyone that I have spoken to that uses Equate "Spray" out of the aerosol can uses it the same way they would PAM. I personally after using PAM can say it works great. Others have also had great results from equate as well. Use what you feel comfortable using. People with experience using equate spray have expressed on the forum a few times that they have had great results. Searching on other forums about "equate" I have seen many other praises for the way the product works and it's low price and availability.

I think it's not even so much as saving a few bucks as it is convenience.

If you find out your snakes have mites... Sure you can pay $20 and an extra $5 or so for shipping and wait a week to get your PAM in if you can't get it locally...or you can literally go to any wal-mart which is usually within 15-20 miles of anybody and pickup a can of equate for $3 use it the same way as PAM and bam! no mites! ;)

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

The same can as provent-a-mite but with a differen't label.

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That is absolutely not true ... if it were, Pro-Products (the creater of Provent -a- Mite) would have a grounds for filing a federal lawsuit against the makers of equate for violating it's patent.

Provent -a- Mite is a patented product ... it is illegal for another company to copy it and sell it under a different name.

Equate may be similar, but telling people that it's the exact same thing in a different can is a lie.

If you have any questions, you should pick up the phone and give my buddy Bob Pound (the owner of Pro-Products) a call ... he'll give you all the details ... 845-628-8960.

-adam

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Everyone that I have spoken to that uses Equate "Spray" out of the aerosol can uses it the same way they would PAM.

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Who are all these wise men?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Who are all these wise men?

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Moe, Larry and Curly. Catch up dude! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by iceman25

Moe, Larry and Curly. Catch up dude! :rofl:

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Oh, in that case, sign me up. Those dudes are big time ballin breeders...

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Oh, in that case, sign me up. Those dudes are big time ballin breeders...

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They sure are....I think I saw them on MySpace :D

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

They sure are....I think I saw them on MySpace :D

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Rockin! MySpace is where all the big time breeders hang out! :P

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Rockin! MySpace is where all the big time breeders hang out! :P

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Last time I checked also ;)

Use what you feel comfortable using safely and carefully... Try searching around on other forums and websites if you want to hear about other people's experiences with equate.

Good luck getting rid of those mites and feel free to let us know how it goes...

Have a great day! :)

You didn't answer the question, Steven. Who are these breeders?

he obviously doesn't want to play with you jamie. same story different thread. when are you going to give up? :confuzd:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

he obviously doesn't want to play with you jamie. same story different thread. when are you going to give up? :confuzd:

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I'm not. Crap talk that won't lead to an animal's death is fine with me. Crap talk that can, will and has and is supposedly backed up by some big name breeders is a whole different story. So he should reveal who they are or quit quoting them every 5 seconds. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Rockin! MySpace is where all the big time breeders hang out! :P

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Myspace isn't so much as a place people hangout as it is a networking tool. And that is not where I got my information. Even if I did give names of breeders who use equate and have had success all you would do is try to bring their names down as well or talk some other kind of crap which Jamie you do so well.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

he obviously doesn't want to play with you jamie. same story different thread. when are you going to give up? :confuzd:

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No I guess I don't want to play with Jamie. I'm too mature for that. and your right, same story differen't thread. Jamie posting immature sarcastic bs responses to someones post which usually ends up in a thread being locked...

When are you going to give up Jamie?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

So he should reveal who they are or quit quoting them every 5 seconds. :colbert:

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Why should I reveal who I'm talking about? I'm not qouting anybody... I think you need to relax and just get over it Jamie... Your a grown man act like one.

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Myspace isn't so much as a place people hangout as it is a networking tool. And that is not where I got my information. Even if I did give names of breeders who use equate and have had success all you would do is try to bring their names down as well or talk some other kind of crap which Jamie you do so well.



No I guess I don't want to play with Jamie. I'm too mature for that. and your right, same story differen't thread. Jamie posting immature sarcastic bs responses to someones post which usually ends up in a thread being locked...

When are you going to give up Jamie?

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Yes you are mature Steven. Mature enough to call plenty of people suck ups. Mature enough to take a free snake when offered but still try to verbally bash the person that gave it to you. You rock!

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-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

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-adam

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I love the new found religion! :rockon:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

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-adam

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Dude, are you making S'mores? cause I could really go for some :D

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

Dude, are you making S'mores? cause I could really go for some :D

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Shocker! :carrot:

-adam

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Yes you are mature Steven. Mature enough to call plenty of people suck ups. Mature enough to take a free snake when offered but still try to verbally bash the person that gave it to you. You rock!

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The fact of the matter is... we're moving along... I'm not bashing anybody. I offered a solution. But of course some people on this forum can't just agree that we all have differen't methods of care and husbandry and maturely move on. In no way were any "mixture methods" proposed in this thread.

Jamie, there are quite a few people on this very thread who have stated using Equate with great success and no ill effects. I don't see any of them pushing Equate or harassing those who pay the $20+ for PAM, to each his own.

All anyone and everyone that has used Equate has stated is, Equate works the same as way as PAM, same use, same directions, same results! There are hundreds of threads and posts in all forums about this same topic. No one posting anything about Equate has said a single thing against PAM or pushed anyone to use Equate over PAM. At every post they have stated use either or in the same way, with the same great results. Yet, some feel the need to push and force PAM on everyone as if you do not use PAM you are irresponsible, cheap and should not own a snake!

All those who have used Equate as well as PAM love them both and have praised both their use and results.

Again, Both PAM and Equate work great based on what I have read and have heard from others in the hobby. On this very thread and forum you have users of both products with great success. Either product will eliminate mite and if used properly pose no threat to your snake. If either is misused, they can both kill your snake!

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Shocker! :carrot:

-adam

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You know it ;) Now, what was it I wanted again? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

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-adam

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lol i tried to keep myself from laughing while in class.

anyways about mite sprays,what about "zoo med" mite sprays? i bought one from petco and says it was approved by the "FEFRA".i used it before and it worked well in a couple of weeks.i've never seen PAM or equate bottles being sold before.the instuctions on the zoo med mite spray say to spary the enclosure and the reptile itself to also kill mites that might be hiding in the scales.is that safe to do?

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Originally Posted by rockrgrrl

Well i've certainly started my first post off with a "bang"... I also suppose my hopes in no lengthy debates has been well...er...um... Oh let's just leave it at that. :D

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Just another day at BP.net

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Originally Posted by rockrgrrl

So in using EITHER product should I somehow seal up the enclosure after I've sprayed it down or can I just spray it as is and leave it out in the open??? (I got more two cents from someone in passing saying that I should put the tank in one of those large black garbage bags, spray it down, seal it up for about an hour and then open it up and let it air dry) Should I spray the hides as well or should I just wash those in a bleach/water solution? Can I and should I treat the areas surrounding her tank (and with what)?

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Back to the original topic of the thread...

When I used PAM I took everything out of the tank and generously sprayed down the entire Tank and tank furniture and I left it unsealed in a well ventilated area. I myself never treated anything but the tank itself and the tank furniture and my problem was gone after one use.

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

The fact of the matter is... we're moving along... I'm not bashing anybody. I offered a solution. But of course some people on this forum can't just agree that we all have differen't methods of care and husbandry and maturely move on. In no way were any "mixture methods" proposed in this thread.

Jamie, there are quite a few people on this very thread who have stated using Equate with great success and no ill effects. I don't see any of them pushing Equate or harassing those who pay the $20+ for PAM, to each his own.

All anyone and everyone that has used Equate has stated is, Equate works the same as way as PAM, same use, same directions, same results! There are hundreds of threads and posts in all forums about this same topic. No one posting anything about Equate has said a single thing against PAM or pushed anyone to use Equate over PAM. At every post they have stated use either or in the same way, with the same great results. Yet, some feel the need to push and force PAM on everyone as if you do not use PAM you are irresponsible, cheap and should not own a snake!

All those who have used Equate as well as PAM love them both and have praised both their use and results.

Again, Both PAM and Equate work great based on what I have read and have heard from others in the hobby. On this very thread and forum you have users of both products with great success. Either product will eliminate mite and if used properly pose no threat to your snake. If either is misused, they can both kill your snake!

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Your agenda is to push Equate at every chance. My agenda is to make sure people's snakes don't die from using products not approved for use with them. The truth is, you have nearly zero experience yet once again play the expert for all to see.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Your agenda is to push Equate at every chance. My agenda is to make sure people's snakes don't die from using products not approved for use with them. The truth is, you have nearly zero experience yet once again play the expert for all to see.

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My agenda isn't to push Equate at every chance. I of course don't want animals to die either...That's why I stated that both products Can and will kill your animal(s) if not properly used, And the truth is I have experience using PAM. Again I will say that it works great! 1 time was all it took and the mites are gone. At the same time there are plenty of people that have great experience with both and use equate as well with ZERO problems or ill effects.

Say what you want Jamie...anybody can re-read the post starting at post #1 and see where Im coming from and read how others have had great results from both products.

Good luck getting rid of those mites! Either product works great.

Have a great day! :):D :) :P :sunny: :carrot::rolleye2: :colbert2: :laughing: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

My agenda isn't to push Equate at every chance. I of course don't want animals to die either...That's why I stated that both products Can and will kill your animal(s) if not properly used, And the truth is I have experience using PAM. Again I will say that it works great! 1 time was all it took and the mites are gone. At the same time there are plenty of people that have great experience with both and use equate as well with ZERO problems or ill effects.

Say what you want Jamie...anybody can re-read the post starting at post #1 and see where Im coming from and read how others have had great results from both products.

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Why not stick to giving the info you have direct experience, and pointing people to the source for them to decide for the other stuff?

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Originally Posted by Snakeman

lol i tried to keep myself from laughing while in class.

anyways about mite sprays,what about "zoo med" mite sprays? i bought one from petco and says it was approved by the "FEFRA".i used it before and it worked well in a couple of weeks.i've never seen PAM or equate bottles being sold before.the instuctions on the zoo med mite spray say to spary the enclosure and the reptile itself to also kill mites that might be hiding in the scales.is that safe to do?

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I will interrupt you guys just to answer this poster then you an get back to :sabduel:

The problem with Zoo Med mite spray is that it will kill the mites but not get rid of the lice.

PAM is rarely found locally unless you have a speciality reptile store here is where I bought mine http://entirelypets.stores.yahoo.net/proventamite.html

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

The problem with Zoo Med mite spray is that it will kill the mites but not get rid of the lice.

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Zoo Med kills adult mites, but not the eggs. I'm unsure of it's effect on larval stages.

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Originally Posted by tigerlily

Why not stick to giving the info you have direct experience, and pointing people to the source for them to decide for the other stuff?

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I have every intention of using Equate if I ever have a mite problem again, based on everyones great feedback on it as an alternative to PAM. I have a local Wal-Mart 5-10 minutes from my house and can almost walk there. Gotta love Wally World!

Anyways, I'm done here and on that note......Pumpkin Pie for everyone!

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Anyways, I'm done here

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On the site!?!? :P

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Originally Posted by jglass38

On the site!?!? :P

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Naw, I'm not going anywhere... Keeps me entertained during the day! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Naw, I'm not going anywhere... Keeps me entertained during the day! :rofl:

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Oh... :(

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I use proventamite and other products as well. they all work equaly well in killing mites and not harming reptiles. :)


I will not talk about the other products, as I dont want to argue with all the so called experts here! :P ;)

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Ed...you're a lot smarter than I am! You'd think I would've learned by now...:laughing:

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

I have every intention of using Equate if I ever have a mite problem again, based on everyones great feedback on it as an alternative to PAM. I have a local Wal-Mart 5-10 minutes from my house and can almost walk there. Gotta love Wally World!

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Steven,

The point that you are missing though - you are giving out advice on Equate as if you have first hand experience using it, and you have none. On top of that, you are making un-true claims - such as they are the exact same product, just a different label on the can. Did you call the number that Adam provided you to talk to the maker of Provent-A-Mite to get definitive verification of your claim?

Stating that a product you have never used is safe to use, because experts who you refuse to name have told you so is not responsible, IMHO. At least back up your claims with some sources.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

because experts who you refuse to name have told you so is not responsible, IMHO. At least back up your claims with some sources.

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WHy should I? Daniel, Ed and others have already backed up my claims themselves with their statements...why should I mention names when people have already stepped up and gave their experience on it...why does it have to come down to Jamie and even a mod or two trying to push me into giving out names!

Who really cares... I won't give names out of my respect for them. The way things get ugly around here I would hate to have their name innocently tarnished in the forum whether they post here or not.

This is what's freaking pathetic... I offer a simple solution. Others jump in and mention their success with the same solution I offered. And because I offer a solution and don't have the experience to back it up (regardless of how many people jump in and say equate has worked great) I get ridiculed.

I'm seriously done with this thread... you guys can go on with it if you want. Regardless it's only going to get uglier and whatever I post will just get attacked 5x's as hard by the same people until the thread gets locked...

Have a nice day! :)

One last reply....

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Originally Posted by rabernet

At least back up your claims with some sources.

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Anyone who wants names just has to read the forums all over the internet and read posts made by breeders and owners and hobbyist at all levels recommending and using Equate as an alternative to PAM. :)

Thanks Aleesha for pointing me here :D

Yes I am one who can say for certain BE VERY CAREFUL on what you use. As for my story, I am sorry I never updated. 2 of the 3 who showed symptoms recovered fully but as most of you know my poor pastel didnt. I did have a necropsy done and it was from the homemade brew. Please people, learn from me and dont make the same mistake I did, it was heartwrenching to say the least and I will never forget watching my little one die a painful death. The only positive out of this is I have an awesome herp vet now who knows her reptiles!
So help me, whatever any of you do don't knowingly sell an animal who is sick or has mites. (Ok I know the people on here wouldn't be like that but grrrrr there are people who do and I personally would like to flay them!) :mad:
Off to read the whole thread now, lol.

Ugh do I have a headache after all the bickering.

All I can say is I have no experience with Equate but since it is NOT labeled for snakes, I wont risk it. I know people who make their own brew and have had no ill effects. I HAVE used homemade brew from someone who has been a breeder for 25 years and that IS what killed my snake. PAM got rid of the mites that came in from that breeder and his homemade brew. PAM is what I use and the ONLY thing I could in good conscience recommend. There is my :2cent: