PETA members "get it"

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Originally Posted by Shelby

On the note of race horses.. I own a former race horse. He is an old boy, and he's very healthy. His legs are not fragile.. I assure you.

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I too have to agree. I use to work with them and with them after they were sold because they didn't win or whatever other reason(s). Like I said before - those people normally take good care of those horses. Those horses are strong bodied!!! Also all the formal race horses I worked with 99% of them didn't have any problems. Yes once in a while we would get a horse that had a lame-ness issue or had a formal fracture - but that didn't stop them from being great retired race horses or becomeing peoples pets. Also any horse cane come up lame or have a foot problem, etc.

[QUOTE=Mendel's Balls]They would be allowed to breed their animals if it were'nt for the actions of animal terrorists like PETA.

I suppose Im a terrorist now. No such thing as PETA being a terrorist. Dont make me laugh. I thought we're being serious and having a intellect convo here. Heehee Animal rights over animal welfare buddy :)
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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

I too have to agree. I use to work with them and with them after they were sold because they didn't win or whatever other reason(s). Like I said before - those people normally take good care of those horses. Those horses are strong bodied!!! Also all the formal race horses I worked with 99% of them didn't have any problems. Yes once in a while we would get a horse that had a lame-ness issue or had a formal fracture - but that didn't stop them from being great retired race horses or becomeing peoples pets. Also any horse cane come up lame or have a foot problem, etc.

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Just think of all those horses you never heard of in a race. They were probably put down agter they figured the horses were lame. yes many give their horses up to rescues and whatever ...but like any other shelter or rescue.. its becoming over crowded. Not saying people dont take care of their animals. But why race them? I mean if you racing to have fun and not trying to earn money.. not that way that is.. han I think thats ok..



ALSO honestly PETA doesnt force anyone to do anythign. They just wnat to educate people in what they are eating. I mean I NEVER knew peopel were so corrupt to the farm animals. I was taugh differently.. or actually I thought differently. I said to myself " They cant house them in cages, you know how many deaths there would" and thought they free-roamed and were killed humanely. But when I found out other wise. It made me sick. UCK! Eating torture isnt my way of living.

Forgot to ad, many lame horses are bought at auction. And we have 3 major horse slaughter houses sin Texas (I believe 2/3 are being shut down) and we do have horse meat in US. Sick stuff. I believe that another reason why PETA is anti horse races. Lame horses will sometimes go to auctions in alrge numbers... auctions are such horrible things.

When I live in Olympia Washington 11 years ago. We had a halfwolf-husky Hybrid, name Blue. Blue ended up missing and we didnt know where she was for several weeks until.. Some people down there had a thing for abducting pets and skinny them alive, then sending the carcuses to the butchery before they decay and selling them as food. I think that was in the newspaper for Olympia. Our dog Blue was found, dead, but not de-furred there. :( . I believe the same thing Happened in Wenatchee when my moms cat went missing.. people are just plain cruel.. :( (Dont ask me why I brougth up this.. just thought it fitted to say it)

Your post about how they kill cattle is not correct. I've seen it up close and personal, and they do not suffer. They are stunned by using a captive bolt to the center of their skull, this then either puts them in a comatose state or they are knocked very unconcious. They are then hoisted by their rear fetlocks, their throat is slit(while their heart is still beating so the blood doesn't pool in the meat) and they die quickly.

It's really not as horrific as you're making it out to be. They are not aware of anything at all after they are stunned.

Laboratories also do not get their dogs from shelters. They get their dogs(usually Beagles) from breeders that produce at a fast rate. These dogs are well cared for and are by no means abused(I've been in the facilities..).

I, myself, cannot support no-kill shelters. They are not helping the cause, and the dogs that they "care" for are suffering psycologically because of it. One no-kill shelter in my area has had one dog in their care for 6-7 years. This dog lives in a kennel, is fed too much, doesn't get any exercise or other canine stimulation and IMO is not a happy, balanced dog. I would trust a dog at a shelter much further than this dog at the no-kill shelter.

But anyway

/steps off soapbox

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ALSO honestly PETA doesnt force anyone to do anythign. They just wnat to educate people in what they are eating. I mean I NEVER knew peopel were so corrupt to the farm animals. I was taugh differently.. or actually I thought differently. I said to myself " They cant house them in cages, you know how many deaths there would" and thought they free-roamed and were killed humanely. But when I found out other wise. It made me sick. UCK! Eating torture isnt my way of living.

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which is why buying organic free range meat is the way to go, if you want to eat meat and choose not to support the mainstream meat industry.

c&t honestly... not every farm is like that... so please... don't make generalizations. we buy meat from my hubby's boss... his farm is wonderful. everyone is well fed and has lots of space to roam. the chickens are free range and seem, by my standards, live a great life.

PETA does not believe in pet ownership. I guess they mean it would be better to kill every cat and dog out there. Plus the cows. And horses.. at least most of the horses.. since we can't keep them in captivity to feed them. All the reptiles and exotics in zoos are to be killed so they don't suffer, and there goes all the endangered species in captive breeding programs too. Sorry, can't exploit them.
And how is it okay to race horses... as long as you don't make money? Somehow making money makes it evil? So... I can KEEP my ball python, but not make any money off it. That makes NO sense whatsoever.
I've been IN slaughterhouses. I can tell you, your description is highly inaccurate. The post describing it is correct. I saw no inhumane treatment of the cows being slaughtered. I know you probaly got YOUR idea of it from a PETA produced video. Some are false, some are delibritely made to be the most sensational possible.
I can't see how you say you support PETA, but keep reptiles, and probaly other pets as well.
I'll point out that the high number of pets in shelters has nothing to do with the FACT that PETA was taking animals, saying they would adopt them out, then killing them before they even left the county. That's out and out lying. They take in large numbers, adopt out almost none.
I repeat, PETA says NO animals in captivity, NO pets, NO nothing. Dogs do not belong in the wild, nor do cats. They are domestic. PETA itself has bragged of releasing mink and other animals, and NEVER took them for rehab. They have released dogs from a dog show, and stated that they were fine with the fact that several ran RIGHT into the highway next to the place and were hit, maimed and killed.
I support anyone that would like to be vegetarian, or vegan, or not keep pets, or never attend a zoo. But when people start to vandalize, lie and steal then they are wrong.
I'm really surprised that this thread didn't get nasty, and want to extend KUDOS to all involved, especially Chester and Teegan.
WOlfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

PETA does not believe in pet ownership. I guess they mean it would be better to kill every cat and dog out there. Plus the cows. And horses.. at least most of the horses.. since we can't keep them in captivity to feed them. All the reptiles and exotics in zoos are to be killed so they don't suffer, and there goes all the endangered species in captive breeding programs too. Sorry, can't exploit them.
And how is it okay to race horses... as long as you don't make money? Somehow making money makes it evil? So... I can KEEP my ball python, but not make any money off it. That makes NO sense whatsoever.
I've been IN slaughterhouses. I can tell you, your description is highly inaccurate. The post describing it is correct. I saw no inhumane treatment of the cows being slaughtered. I know you probaly got YOUR idea of it from a PETA produced video. Some are false, some are delibritely made to be the most sensational possible.
I can't see how you say you support PETA, but keep reptiles, and probaly other pets as well.
I'll point out that the high number of pets in shelters has nothing to do with the FACT that PETA was taking animals, saying they would adopt them out, then killing them before they even left the county. That's out and out lying. They take in large numbers, adopt out almost none.
I repeat, PETA says NO animals in captivity, NO pets, NO nothing. Dogs do not belong in the wild, nor do cats. They are domestic. PETA itself has bragged of releasing mink and other animals, and NEVER took them for rehab. They have released dogs from a dog show, and stated that they were fine with the fact that several ran RIGHT into the highway next to the place and were hit, maimed and killed.
I support anyone that would like to be vegetarian, or vegan, or not keep pets, or never attend a zoo. But when people start to vandalize, lie and steal then they are wrong.
I'm really surprised that this thread didn't get nasty, and want to extend KUDOS to all involved, especially Chester and Teegan.
WOlfy

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Directly from the PETA site:

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.

Wolfy, seems to me that you have an agenda and a misguided one at that. I have seen the video of slaughterhouse workers twisting the heads off of live chickens. I have seen cows hung upside down, had their throats slit and allowed to die a slow painful death. That is fact, not fictional or sensationalism as you claim. I have seen mink killed through insertion of electric rods. I disagree with the raising of animals so some celebrity can wear a stole to a red carpet event or some old biddy can look more glamourous when she goes to play Pinochle with her friends. I believe all animals should be treated humanely, even the ones bred for our consumption or for the consumption of our pets. I eat meat but respect people that choose to be vegetarians (I have 3 in my family). PETA takes a hardline stance and that is their option. They also do a lot of good. By making people aware of cruelty in animal testing, they have helped to force some change in that area (although not nearly enough). I have the intelligence to see that not EVERYTHING that they stand for coincides with what I believe in, but I don't live in a world of black and white. The world is full of many shades of grey.

I invite you to read a few quotes from PeTA people.. quite appaling if you ask me.

http://fins.actwin.com/nanf/month.200004/msg00047.html

And their goal IS to force this stuff on everyone.. they're just not passively living their vegan lives, they want everyone to be the same.

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I, myself, cannot support no-kill shelters. They are not helping the cause, and the dogs that they "care" for are suffering psycologically because of it. One no-kill shelter in my area has had one dog in their care for 6-7 years. This dog lives in a kennel, is fed too much, doesn't get any exercise or other canine stimulation and IMO is not a happy, balanced dog. I would trust a dog at a shelter much further than this dog at the no-kill shelter.

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I would not base your opinion on no-kill shelters on that one shelter. The no-kill rescue/shelter here take wonderful care of thier dogs. There are a few dogs there that are not 'happy' as you might put it, but that is because they came from a far worse situation. All the dogs are fed the right amount of food. (I have not seen a single overweight dog in that building) The dogs are socialized and taught basic obediance. Most of the dogs that have been there for a while are well behaved dogs that are generally happy, except for the fact they need a loving home.

Well, since I'm the one who has to euthanize that whole litter of 6-8 puppies because ONE unbalanced, aggressive, overweight, 8 year old(an estimate) dog is taking up room that those puppies could be in, then that is why I don't support them.

Our Humane Society here takes better care of the dogs than that no-kill shelter ever will. They at least don't put potentially dangerous dogs out into society.

They more than likely hold out hope they can get the dog socialized enough to be ok. There is a cat at this same rescue that I want to work with. She is attacks everyone but I want to work with her to get her to trust people. If you are having to euthanize puppies because the shelter doesn't have space, why don't you bring it up to the person that runs the shelter. Or propose finding foster homes for the puppies. Just because there is no room in the shelter, doesn't mean you have to put down puppies.

Personally, I think we are now completely off topic, and I will not argue my points further.

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Originally Posted by Shelby

I invite you to read a few quotes from PeTA people.. quite appaling if you ask me.

http://fins.actwin.com/nanf/month.200004/msg00047.html

And their goal IS to force this stuff on everyone.. they're just not passively living their vegan lives, they want everyone to be the same.

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Wow..A page of quotes, most not even from PETA and none within the last 16 years. Hardly a relevant source of information in my mind.

Well for me it's not about PETA really. It will always be my deep unease with any group of humans that comes together through a fanatical belief in anything. Once you believe that deeply about any cause or issue you can become a victim of tunnel vision, of group hysteria and of not seeing a greater picture. Your cause becomes the ONLY cause, the ONLY right way to do anything and anyone who does not believe as you do completely, utterly and without question...is now the enemy.

I'm sure PETA has a number of wonderful people in it but it does and is documented as an organization that has supported terrorist-like attacks. It has and it is documented legally, lied publically in order to further it's stated goals at whatever cost it and its members deem right and true to that cause.

That is why I won't support PETA or any group whether it's animal rights, religion, race, or the fact that someone thinks their big toe is the best big toe in the world and any of us without said big toe are just flat out wrong about the whole big toe issue. Fanatics, especially those coming together, scare the willies out of me.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

ALSO honestly PETA doesnt force anyone to do anythign. They just wnat to educate people in what they are eating.

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Right...blowing up other people's property, breaking into private facilities, vandalizing and forcibly removing someone's elses property (i.e, releasing the animals in that facility)...yup, THAT'S education and not forcing ANYTHING on anyone else...

C&T - do you have any pets? If so, you are against PETA and perhaps you should back down a bit.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Well for me it's not about PETA really. It will always be my deep unease with any group of humans that comes together through a fanatical belief in anything. Once you believe that deeply about any cause or issue you can become a victim of tunnel vision, of group hysteria and of not seeing a greater picture. Your cause becomes the ONLY cause, the ONLY right way to do anything and anyone who does not believe as you do completely, utterly and without question...is now the enemy.

I'm sure PETA has a number of wonderful people in it but it does and is documented as an organization that has supported terrorist-like attacks. It has and it is documented legally, lied publically in order to further it's stated goals at whatever cost it and its members deem right and true to that cause.

That is why I won't support PETA or any group whether it's animal rights, religion, race, or the fact that someone thinks their big toe is the best big toe in the world and any of us without said big toe are just flat out wrong about the whole big toe issue. Fanatics, especially those coming together, scare the willies out of me.

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Super awesome post there.

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Originally Posted by cassandra

Right...blowing up other people's property, breaking into private facilities, vandalizing and forcibly removing someone's elses property (i.e, releasing the animals in that facility)...yup, THAT'S education and not forcing ANYTHING on anyone else...

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That's the Animal Liberation Front. Although there is some definate correlations between the two, they are different organizations (where ALF gets its funding is questionable).

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Originally Posted by jglass

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free."

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Hmm... begs the question, who is responsible for these myths?

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." -- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind." -- Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

"One day we would like an end to pet shops and breeding animals [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild." -- Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." -- Ingrid Newkirk, PETA, "Just Like Us? Toward a Notion of Animal Rights" (symposium) Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"As the surplus of cats and dogs (artifically engineered by centuries forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship - enjoyment from a distance." -- Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like Us?......(see above)

Hmmm... hard to call it a myth when it's perpetuated by your own comments.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

That's the Animal Liberation Front. Although there is some definate correlations between the two, they are different organizations (where ALF gets its funding is questionable).



Hmm... begs the question, who is responsible for these myths?

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." -- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind." -- Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

"One day we would like an end to pet shops and breeding animals [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild." -- Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." -- Ingrid Newkirk, PETA, "Just Like Us? Toward a Notion of Animal Rights" (symposium) Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"As the surplus of cats and dogs (artifically engineered by centuries forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship - enjoyment from a distance." -- Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like Us?......(see above)

Hmmm... hard to call it a myth when it's perpetuated by your own comments.

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Once again, I dont agree with much of what PETA preaches. They have done some good in certain areas. I also maintain that Ingrid Newkirk is a kook. The words of one don't necessarily mean that everyone in that organization/group believes the same. Also, once again, there isn't a quote there newer than 15 years.

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Once again, I dont agree with much of what PETA preaches. They have done some good in certain areas. I also maintain that Ingrid Newkirk is a kook. The words of one don't necessarily mean that everyone in that organization/group believes the same. Also, once again, there isn't a quote there newer than 15 years.

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Ingrid is a kook, but she also happens to be President of PETA. Whether or not all of the organizations members agree with her is moot. She speaks for PETA as a whole.

And yes, the quotes are dated, which is exactly my point. PETA calls it a myth that they don't support pet ownership, yet it was their President's comments that perpetuated that myth. It's akin to me saying "That Jamie guy really sucks," and then claiming it was a myth perpetuated by people that don't like me, 15 years later.

Extremists aren't terrible things, as long as they act within the law. By having extremes on both sides, it's easier to ascertain the center.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Well for me it's not about PETA really. It will always be my deep unease with any group of humans that comes together through a fanatical belief in anything. Once you believe that deeply about any cause or issue you can become a victim of tunnel vision, of group hysteria and of not seeing a greater picture. Your cause becomes the ONLY cause, the ONLY right way to do anything and anyone who does not believe as you do completely, utterly and without question...is now the enemy.

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This is a great post about extermisim in general...it should be published in every editorial page in the US.

But one thing I disagree with.....you're trying to tell me I dont have the best big toe?

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

That is why I won't support PETA or any group whether it's animal rights, religion, race, or the fact that someone thinks their big toe is the best big toe in the world and any of us without said big toe are just flat out wrong about the whole big toe issue. Fanatics, especially those coming together, scare the willies out of me.

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so, am i to understand this correctly jo? you know i am the president of "flintstone toes of the world unite" or FToW. And you know i was put into this position because of the perfection of my toes.

may i please take you back to the image you enjoyed once before... of my ever so perfect feet!!!! please note the perfection of my feet... the way my big toe is the largest of my toes... no gangly unattractive second toe for me... no way, mine gently nestles into the curve of my big toe and then equally supports my third toe - which again is not larger than the second toe... and so the beautiful perfect angle of my toes continue to my wonderfully playful energetic baby toe... ahhhhhhh perfection!!!!

http://www.timelessspirit.com/images/snakes/feet.jpg

What beautiful toes, Leeshie!

Whether the quotes are old or not, animal rights extremists (many who are affiliated with or support PeTA) are complete wackos in my opinion, and will never, ever get my support in any way, shape or form. There are many fantastic animal welfare groups that are far more deserving.

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Originally Posted by Shelby

What beautiful toes, Leeshie!

Whether the quotes are old or not, animal rights extremists (many who are affiliated with or support PeTA) are complete wackos in my opinion, and will never, ever get my support in any way, shape or form. There are many fantastic animal welfare groups that are far more deserving.

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thanks :D i agree... on both parts of your post!

Accusing me of having an agenda.. that's pretty funny. I no more have an "agenda" than any other human in the world who dislikes to have people threaten to blow up their home because they bred dogs.
Again, you see all these quotes.. but it's not PETA.. because they are "outdated" despite the fact that most of the quoters are PETA employed. Newkirk is the president. I don't doubt there are well-minded individuals, but I won't support the organization that gives money to ALF, defends arsonists, or rewards arsonists and vandalizers. Sorry. Ain't happening. When they come to your house to remove your animals, then maybe you'll cheer them.
I support spaying and neutering, I've sponsered a low cost trip through my rural area, in additonal to nearly 2 years of rabies clinics. I do not support the fur industry, unless the harvest is humane, the animals humanely cared for, OR culled from the wild in a humane fashion. That means mink, fox and the such farms, I don't support. I don't LIKE the idea of killing a animal for JUST its skin. That's also why I support leather. We eat the cow, use its skin.
I support responsible pet ownership. PETA doesn't. And there is that "dogs living in the wild" statement again. Gonna turn loose pets to survive or starve? Yeah, THAT'S ethical. Just as ethical as the turning loose of minks to starve and be maimed becasue they cannot survive.
Everyone has the right to their opinion. But I don't have the right to come to your house and steal your pets, jsut because I think no one should own them. Neither does PETA have the right to do similar acts.
PETA supporting terrist attacks against places has NOTHING to do with pet overpopulation. That's a seperate issue.
By the way, I was at a medieval faire today with a LIVE ELEPHANT ride that I support. Why? Because Judy has a great life, she's 49 years old, and gets to go work a few weekends a year, giving kids rides. She has a great home to live at on acreage and she lets everyone know how truely COOL elephants are. She is well-treated and there isn't a thing wrong with them owning her and taking such wonderful care of her.
Does that mean I support cruel treatment of elephants in traveling circuses where they beat them? No it don't. In other words, I support RESPONSIBLE pet ownership. (Although calling an elephant a pet is really stretching the term)
I'm keeping my pets, keeping my snakes, and keeping my lizards. I won't give PETA a dime.
Wolfy

Try this link. Interesting reading.



http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/21

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

Ingrid is a kook, but she also happens to be President of PETA. Whether or not all of the organizations members agree with her is moot. She speaks for PETA as a whole.

And yes, the quotes are dated, which is exactly my point. PETA calls it a myth that they don't support pet ownership, yet it was their President's comments that perpetuated that myth. It's akin to me saying "That Jamie guy really sucks," and then claiming it was a myth perpetuated by people that don't like me, 15 years later.

Extremists aren't terrible things, as long as they act within the law. By having extremes on both sides, it's easier to ascertain the center.

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I like to consider myself just left of center. I am not a huge fan of extremism either. I also wasn't making the argument that PETA is a great organization, but rather one that has done some good. There are a lot of people in PETA that care and have tried to enact change in important areas. Apparently it somewhere has gone awry. I would guess it has a lot to do with Ingrid Newkirk and her extremism. Sounds a lot like another president I know of! :D

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Originally Posted by Otter_23

Try this link. Interesting reading.



http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/21

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wow... that is amazingly frightening in the worse way. hard to believe people actually send these people their money. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

wow... that is amazingly frightening in the worse way. hard to believe people actually send these people their money. :colbert:

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Just read this quote from that link. Not sure if it's legitimate, but if so... wow! :rolleye2:

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And in 2003, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk wrote to Yasser Arafat, pleading with him to make certain no animals are harmed in Palestinian suicide-bombing attacks.

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it's this quote:

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PETA devalues human life.

PETA's efforts to treasure every mosquito and cockroach invariably lead them to hate human beings for using bug spray and RAID. Ingrid Newkirk argues that as human beings, "we're the biggest blight on the face of the earth."

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which makes me wonder when PETA will start to advocate abortion and start killing pregnant mothers so they don't add to the population of the world.

and of course... this end of the article says much

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“I will be the last person to condemn ALF,” says Newkirk. And in another interview: “I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.” In ALF’s publication Bite Back (yes, this terrorist group has a newsletter), Newkirk has said: “You can’t have all politeness and patience, all potlucks and epistles … Some people will never budge unless [they are] pushed to budge.”

Perhaps Newkirk’s most telling comment, though, came in a 2002 U.S. News & World Report feature. “Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective,” she admitted. “We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”

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[QUOTE=Shelby]If you go to PeTA's website they tell you that they are against pet ownership, eating meat, drinking milk, eating honey, killing bugs, using leather, etc etc..

Anythign wrong with this? Go Peta

I do all of these things, why would I support them? If they had their way, there would be no captive ball pythons.. remember that.

If they had their way no animal would suffer(The GOOD peta who had their way that is).

QUOTE]Suffer huh? Yep, animals suffer alright. Like Aleesha said, there's nothing wrong with being vegan...however, all of those PETA people better not have ANY wood in their homes, their homes better not be made from any natural material, or manufactured material and they better not drive cars, use electricity, natural gas, or any type of oil that causes any kind of smoke.....
If they do or have ANY of these things....they're making animals suffer by destroying their habitats.....if we're going to get picky about how "good" PETA is. :)

PETA is so beyond hypocriticial it's mind boggling. They don't want animals to suffer and yet they don't take the time to make sure they don't suffer. If PETA wanted to do something "good" for animals....they should take some of that money and invest it in a spay/neuter program...world wide mind you....so that they wouldn't have to worry about having to "re home" shelter pets.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspider

they should take some of that money and invest it in a spay/neuter program...world wide mind you....so that they wouldn't have to worry about having to "re home" shelter pets.

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what an amazing idea eh? think of people who would appreciate the opportunity to get their pets 'fixed' for free.

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Plain and simple: if there's any group that is against my keeping of my animals, I am automatically not even going to listen to anything they have to say.
Nice big toes!

Its seems that it might be a good idea to keep Abortion and other political topics out of the discussion. That has always been against the bp.net rules and it will just turn ugly.

it wasn't intended to become a discussion... just a "pondering" is all.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Nice big toes!

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ah yes... I am the President of FToW after all :rofl:

Hey now, what about us skinny, boney toed peeps? :P

well my friend... you will not be getting your FToW membership card in the mail... sorry! :P

<-----cries bitterly.
Contemplates suicide....then reconsiders.....will become a member of PETA instead.
Ok, maybe suicide is the better option. :P

giggling... oh shadow... it's okay :hug: perhaps in your next life you'll have perfect toes like me! :wuv:

As long as PETA doesn't exist then. :D

I’m not a fan of PETA, for completely unrelated reasons. However, I am a fan of fair and unbiased reporting, which this website is lacking.

I’m a product of the information age; I read just about everything with a critical eye. (From news reports to the ingredients on cereal boxes) The first thing to do when reading a report is to examine the source. In this case, the source is a website called, “petakillsanimals.” Okay, clearly they have an agenda they want to push. At least they are upfront about it, and I can respect that to a degree. They are also using their name for shock-value and to attract attention; a good advertising move, which will ensure some media coverage. Smart.

However, while reading the site I noticed that a lot of the published information has to do with PETA employees Adria Hinkle and Andrew Cook and their criminal charges. Completely relevant in and of itself, I’ll not argue, but to repeatedly use the case as evidence of PETAs wrongdoings as a whole organization? That’s like saying 2 crooked cops prove the entire legal system is bad.

I’m glad the site has exposed some of the hypocrisies of PETA but I also ask myself… who is paying for it? This isn’t just a grass-roots website created by your average Joe/Jane for the sole purpose of highlighting the hypocrisy of PETA's actions. Consider: this site has billboards, mobile advertisement trucks, full page ads in major newspapers and magazines, TV ads, live media publicity stunts… who is really paying for it? Surely they don’t get enough public donations to support that type of coverage. Just one of these media forums can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

The “about us” section is short and bereft of any real information. But examine the parent organization's website: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/ This site battles things like environmentalism (the depleting ozone is a myth, as is global warming), food additive restrictions (trans fats contributing to heart attacks are a myth, and obesity isn’t really a problem in America), oh, and Mothers Against Drunk Driving are too ‘radical’ for them too.

If I were a cynic, I’d wonder if this blanket organization that would seemingly defend the Corporations’ point of view might not be, in fact, directly funded BY such corporations. Imagine it; an organization willing to take up causes on behalf of the corporations, to defend their points of view and to debase their opponents. They could offer blanket advertising, specific website design for the cause du jour, as well as media coverage via their publications supporting whatever big-business wants to engage them. (And being an official charity means that any money that is 'donated' is tax-free and deductable for... you guessed it! Big businesses!)

I just may wonder about that, if I were a cynic.

In closing I’ll say; PETA mostly sucks, but I don’t hate them, just their arrogance. I think they've long since lost touch with reality on many of their core issues.

PS: My harp has real gut strings. ;)