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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

i have 2 hides from pet supply in there and if the male wants in it he gets in it even tho its realy realy tight but what the hell he fits there is no uth just the light right now but it says at the lowest in my room is about 70f an the tank with the light on is 92f on the hot side an 55 humidity i dont have a dig temp yet but lookin in to it

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70f is 2 cold if u dont raise the temp ur snake will get a RI and probly die and u need 2 get another cage and keep them seperate :P

Boy you people are sure defensive! The sarcasm is unnecessary.:mad: What do you care if I feed medium rats to my snakes? What is medium?

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

Ask any of the breeders on here what is the biggest they feed their ball pythons. I will take their word because of their experience and knowledge in this hobby. Ball pythons are not known for being real aggressive feeders and are known for going off feed for months at a time. You don't want to overfeed them and have them go off feed to let their bodies catch up with the extra size or weight.

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Why not? I really would like to know.

There are many owners and breeders that feed med and even large. Yes, Adam feeds smalls, I am well aware of that. He wants his snakes to eat every week, without fail. He also feeds live. I don't, there is no safety issue. I also would rather the snake had the choice to go off feed when it has had enough, than risk "starving" the snake by limiting its meals. That's just me.

I don't think fasting hurts the snake; it is a natural process. None of my snakes are obese. I have heard that larger meals biweekly is easier on the snake's digestive system. I am always learning, and maybe I will feed smalls in the future, but right now I like to see a lump in my big girls after a meal. A 65g rat just doesn't cut it.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, you can have it back now.:oops:

While on the feeding topic...I mentioned this in another post but don't think I got a response (haven't checked thoroughly yet) but anyways, i've been feeding my about 18 inch BP 2 adult mice per week. How do I know when it is to much? I just moved up from 1...but he/she has never refused a meal and gobbles them mice up faster than I notice pretty much.

Also, while i'm changing the subject...my BP hasn't...well defecated in a while...how often should that happen too? Could overfeeding cause constipation?

well i feed one med rat once a week or a little more then a week and for now they are in the same tank and i might well im thinking of building a tank with wood an plex glass maybe some floor tile because i work for a tile installer an they have a in floor heater that runs on hot water so i was thinkin of trying somethin like that

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

well i feed one med rat once a week or a little more then a week and for now they are in the same tank and i might well im thinking of building a tank with wood an plex glass maybe some floor tile because i work for a tile installer an they have a in floor heater that runs on hot water so i was thinkin of trying somethin like that

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Wow you are going to spend a elaborate amount of money on a "floor heater" system for some big wooden cage am i reading this correctly? How are you going to afford this system(even at a discount its not cheap i am sure) when you can not buy the correct items to properly care for your snakes NOW! I would like to know how you are going to keep the temps in the CORRECT range for your snakes in this "dream cage".Why dont you add a solar heat system to a outdoor enclosure so they can sunbath in the summer? I think you are just making up crap as you go just to get members going at you here! I feel sorry for your snakes,that is if you even have any at all.

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Originally Posted by Sadie

I also would rather the snake had the choice to go off feed when it has had enough, than risk "starving" the snake by limiting its meals. That's just me.

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Captive ball pythons are far from starving ... eating 26 - 52 times a year is a feat that they just aren't designed to do ... try having no arms and no legs, living in a whole in the ground, and catching a live meal that is 20 times faster than you and can smell you from a mile away ... I would guess that there is no way that ball pythons naturally eat even 12 times a year ... almost all captive ball pythons are incredibly overfed ... yes, even mine.

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Originally Posted by Sadie

I don't think fasting hurts the snake; it is a natural process.

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I agree 100%, but dangling a medium rat in front of a ball python that isn't ready to eat certainly causes stress ... and stress hurts the snake.

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Originally Posted by Sadie

I have heard that larger meals biweekly is easier on the snake's digestive system.

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There is no evidence ANYWHERE to show that to be true ... I've fed very large and now I feed small and in my personal experience (if that helps at all), my snakes are definitely doing much better now (better breeding, more consistent growth, better sheds, etc) than when I was feeding large and even jumbo rats many many years ago.

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Originally Posted by Sadie

I am always learning, and maybe I will feed smalls in the future, but right now I like to see a lump in my big girls after a meal.

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I used to be the exact same way ... I was originally taught by guys experienced in keeping big snakes like burms and tics ... with bigger animals, they do very well with large meals .... modern ball python husbandry has evolved from the time when all pythons were treated the same.

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Originally Posted by Sadie

A 65g rat just doesn't cut it.

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A 65g rat is HUGE for a ball python in my opinion ... I feed my 3500+ gram girls 30 - 40 gram rats and they are thriving ... based on what I've seen over the years, for my snakes at least, it's more about quality feedings than mass or quantity.

But hey, there are TONS of ways to successfully keep these animals! ... I'm just sharing my thoughts for anyone that is interested ... don't like what I have to say? Cool beans ... I'm just a dork with some snakes!! :P :carrot:

-adam

a hydronic floor heater for a snake cage! wow!! :eek:


a radiant heat panel or some flexwatt will work better and cost about 100 times less...:reading:


vaughn

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Captive ball pythons are far from starving ... eating 26 - 52 times a year is a feat that they just aren't designed to do ... try having no arms and no legs, living in a whole in the ground, and catching a live meal that is 20 times faster than you and can smell you from a mile away ... I would guess that there is no way that ball pythons naturally eat even 12 times a year ... almost all captive ball pythons are incredibly overfed ... yes, even mine.



I agree 100%, but dangling a medium rat in front of a ball python that isn't ready to eat certainly causes stress ... and stress hurts the snake.



There is no evidence ANYWHERE to show that to be true ... I've fed very large and now I feed small and in my personal experience (if that helps at all), my snakes are definitely doing much better now (better breeding, more consistent growth, better sheds, etc) than when I was feeding large and even jumbo rats many many years ago.



I used to be the exact same way ... I was originally taught by guys experienced in keeping big snakes like burms and tics ... with bigger animals, they do very well with large meals .... modern ball python husbandry has evolved from the time when all pythons were treated the same.



A 65g rat is HUGE for a ball python in my opinion ... I feed my 3500+ gram girls 30 - 40 gram rats and they are thriving ... based on what I've seen over the years, for my snakes at least, it's more about quality feedings than mass or quantity.

But hey, there are TONS of ways to successfully keep these animals! ... I'm just sharing my thoughts for anyone that is interested ... don't like what I have to say? Cool beans ... I'm just a dork with some snakes!! :P :carrot:

-adam

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Adam you are the geek king, cue is the dork :8: :8:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I'm just a dork with some snakes!! :P :carrot:

-adam

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If that is being a dork I'd like to be one too :D

Thanks Adam, that is good info.

well it was a thought never said i was going all out but i am thinking of making a new one with wood and plexso it has a spliter for then an for breeding i can take it out an have full tank space for now i can get a heat coil or what ever i dont care as long as they have heat

why make one when it's cheaper to just get proper enclosures for these guys? And why exactly are you breeding?

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Originally Posted by Entropy

why make one when it's cheaper to just get proper enclosures for these guys? And why exactly are you breeding?

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The answer is simple here,he does not care :mad: .Notice how he never really answers any questions he just rambles on and always says he does not care :mad: .Until the next rambling :P .

building one would be fun and ez i could place it where ever i wanted it an build it to where i want to place it this breeding wasnt planed i took both males to the trade center to look for a female an traded one male and 20$ for a female an i only had one bag so they placed her in the same bag an when i got home they where locked so i placed them both in the tank an let them go likei said im not going to take them apart an i got a 50w night glow thats blue for night heat an i might just use it full time they get light from the bedroom window all day an the light would give heat

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

70f is 2 cold if u dont raise the temp ur snake will get a RI and probly die and u need 2 get another cage and keep them seperate :P

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what should the night temp be

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Originally Posted by rabernet

So, how are you providing belly heat for them? :confused: And what are your temps? Do you use a digital thermometer to measure them?

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no belly heat just lights i have a 150w day glow an a 50or 75w night glow i just got today no digital yet but i do have temp an humidity temps are 92 on the hot side with 55% humidity an the cool side is about 10 lower

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Please if you are not willing to give your snakes the correct and best housing and care... Please do them a favor and re home them. Someone else out there will be all about giving these snakes a good home.

Also like everyone else has said... do not come here asking for advice and then just turn your nose up and ignore it. We are only trying to help you and your snakes out in the end.

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there being takin care of there fed watered an have heat and light what more do they need nothing

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Originally Posted by ryandlf

Wait wait, i've got a wonderful idea! Sell one of the snakes to someone who can properly take care of it, and use the $50 or so to invest in a couple good hides, and some more equipment, possibly a smaller tank. As far as the hides go, you'd actually be surprised what snakes can fit into to, the prefer it pretty tight, any pet store employee who knows anything about reptiles should be able to sell you a perfect hide for your adult python.

I'm still not letting go of this breeding issue. I just really don't think its the right time for you. One snake is a lot of responsibility, two is even more, and babies...well you get the picture.

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what do u care i have the 2 there doin good there fed watered have light and heat what more do then need

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

there being takin care of there fed watered an have heat and light what more do they need nothing

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humidity. just saying you have heat means nothing, you must have the correct heat. You said you have no digital thermometer yet, so how are you measuring temps?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

What are the temps? How are you measuring the temps? Do they have any hides? Do you have two cages for your snakes, or are they kept in the same cage constantly? Are you planning on artificial incubation or maternal incubation?

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92 hot side 55%humidity 2 hides from pet suply i need another tank after i know if she is going to have babys or not but still need one for her after wouldnt matter on the incubation i can buy one or let her i havent realy read alot about leting her do i but ive raised chickins an hatched eggs in incubaters and let them do it on there own so i cant see it being much differend let her sit an do her thing and dont get in her way

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

92 hot side 55%humidity 2 hides from pet suply i need another tank after i know if she is going to have babys or not but still need one for her after wouldnt matter on the incubation i can buy one or let her i havent realy read alot about leting her do i but ive raised chickins an hatched eggs in incubaters and let them do it on there own so i cant see it being much differend let her sit an do her thing and dont get in her way

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if she lays eggs and they hatch you will need multiple enclosures, not just one.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

humidity. just saying you have heat means nothing, you must have the correct heat. You said you have no digital thermometer yet, so how are you measuring temps?

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i have both in one it has temp an humidity but not digital an the temps ARE 92 hot side 55% humidity AND ABOUT 10 lower on the cool side

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

if she lays eggs and they hatch you will need multiple enclosures, not just one.

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i have the 60 that there in and a 30 with 3 white spot geckos an planing on getin one more and maybe a large plastic tank what ever they call them they have at pet suply to put the babys in after hatching

Just because they were locked up once doesn't mean that anything happened. You could have easily seperated them when they weren't locked.
And incubating BP eggs is nothing like chicken eggs. The way your set up is I would be shocked IF she actually managed to lay viable eggs and if they made it to hatching.
It's quite obvious from the attitude in your posts that you could care less about these animals.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Just because they were locked up once doesn't mean that anything happened. You could have easily seperated them when they weren't locked.
And incubating BP eggs is nothing like chicken eggs. The way your set up is I would be shocked IF she actually managed to lay viable eggs and if they made it to hatching.
It's quite obvious from the attitude in your posts that you could care less about these animals.

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I personally think he is just full of BS about everything.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I personally think he is just full of BS about everything.

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Yep just like i said earlier :mad: .Now we wait for his next babbling post :P

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Just because they were locked up once doesn't mean that anything happened. You could have easily seperated them when they weren't locked.
And incubating BP eggs is nothing like chicken eggs. The way your set up is I would be shocked IF she actually managed to lay viable eggs and if they made it to hatching.
It's quite obvious from the attitude in your posts that you could care less about these animals.

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there being takin care off an my set up whats that have to do with it theres a 60 gal tank it has light an the right temps

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I personally think he is just full of BS about everything.

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ur full of it i have them and take care of them they have 2 hides food water light an the temps and humidity are right

y dont u try typing in complete sentance ur posts might be taken more good an dont cuss its mean

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

building one would be fun and ez i could place it where ever i wanted it an build it to where i want to place it this breeding wasnt planed i took both males to the trade center to look for a female an traded one male and 20$ for a female an i only had one bag so they placed her in the same bag an when i got home they where locked so i placed them both in the tank an let them go likei said im not going to take them apart an i got a 50w night glow thats blue for night heat an i might just use it full time they get light from the bedroom window all day an the light would give heat

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okay so you are telling us... you went to a trade center, to a reptile show and out of alllll the sellers there... everyone forgot to bring something to send the snakes home in? what did the other purchasers do? put them in their pockets? :carouse: :pinkele: do the members on this forum sound like most have never attended a show?

:tricho: i think you're just making stuff up as you go along. first saying your temps are right and then saying they are about 10 degrees lower

say goodnight now :sleepy:

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

no belly heat just lights i have a 150w day glow an a 50or 75w night glow i just got today no digital yet but i do have temp an humidity temps are 92 on the hot side with 55% humidity an the cool side is about 10 lower

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if you dont have a digital thermometer, how are you actually mesuring the temps?

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Originally Posted by worldcupkeeper

if you dont have a digital thermometer, how are you actually mesuring the temps?

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With a stick on dial, silly! Duh!!! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

y dont u try typing in complete sentance ur posts might be taken more good an dont cuss its mean

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Bcz hebe fllabe AKA because he be full a be :P .Now please stop lieing to us all and definatly stop the cursing as its not needed here :mad: .

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Originally Posted by rabernet

With a stick on dial, silly! Duh!!! :rolleyes:

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:rofl: :rofl: .Now Robin that is still to complicated to use here :ohmygod: :ohmygod: :neener: :neener:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

okay so you are telling us... you went to a trade center, to a reptile show and out of alllll the sellers there... everyone forgot to bring something to send the snakes home in? what did the other purchasers do? put them in their pockets? :carouse: :pinkele: do the members on this forum sound like most have never attended a show?

:tricho: i think you're just making stuff up as you go along. first saying your temps are right and then saying they are about 10 degrees lower

say goodnight now :sleepy:

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lower on the cool SIDE its 92 hot side an about 82 on the cool side

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Originally Posted by worldcupkeeper

if you dont have a digital thermometer, how are you actually mesuring the temps?

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i have one its just not digital

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Originally Posted by rabernet

With a stick on dial, silly! Duh!!! :rolleyes:

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its not even a stick on its a small one that would be used in your house thats like 2x4in with temp an humidity on it

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Originally Posted by joepythons

:rofl: :rofl: .Now Robin that is still to complicated to use here :ohmygod: :ohmygod: :neener: :neener:

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its not a stick on its a 2x4in that has temp an humidity on it

it dont matter there 2 hides water food light heat an the temps ARE 92 HOT SIDE AND 82 COOL SIDE

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

there being takin care off an my set up whats that have to do with it theres a 60 gal tank it has light an the right temps

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So they you have not separated them yet?

Because that would be the start of getting your BP properly cared for, and all you have to do is buy 2 plastic tubs at walmart and while you are there get some small kitty litter pans and 2 digital thermometers/hydromethers, then get some flexwatt heat tape, a thermostat, from http://www.reptilebasics.com/store/home.php?cat=248

All that will surely cost you less then build your own enclosure and will take less time too. Just my :2cent:

there breeding now so it doesnt matter if there in the same tank and i have the night glow for at night so no need to have flex junk on it they have waht they need

What an absolute tool. Don't trolls live under bridges?

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Originally Posted by worldcupkeeper

if you dont have a digital thermometer, how are you actually mesuring the temps?

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he has yet to answer that question though it has been asked numerous times. He keeps avoiding and just saying his temps are right. If everything is taken care of, post the pics up.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

What an absolute tool. Don't trolls live under bridges?

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yes and obviously they now have the internet

Damn wi-fi hotspots under bridges...

I think he's kind of funny. I just read everything he types with a "Borat" type voice and it is way more entertaining.

2 balls n 1 tank, VERY NICE!

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Damn wi-fi hotspots under bridges...

I think he's kind of funny. I just read everything he types with a "Borat" type voice and it is way more entertaining.

2 balls n 1 tank, VERY NICE!

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Wa Wa Wee Wa!

And to answer this question for future references, boas don't breed with balls. :gj:

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

And to answer this question for future references, boas don't breed with balls. :gj:

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This thread gives me a headache every time I try to read it ...

:rolleye2:

I think at this point he's just blabbering away and amusing himself with our answers. I vote we let this thread die.

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Originally Posted by fulner_20012001

there breeding now so it doesnt matter if there in the same tank and i have the night glow for at night so no need to have flex junk on it they have waht they need

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Wow so all of us are using junk and you have it right :8:
Ok I give up because right now this is about how I feel :mad: :tricho: :cens0r: :groinkick