Sub-adult female ball pythons . . .

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

I am sorry if I have lied to you or you thought I lied to you I am sorry.

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That almost looks like a real apology...

The reason I am posting here is because I liked your male and lightly considered getting him, but would hate to have had anything happen to my collection as a direct result of aquiring him.

wow..

I wasn't expecting my question to result in this many posts
I'm so glad I asked about the RI. I'd hate for someone to have bought one of these and receive a sick snake.

I think the best thing you can do is keep the snakes you have. Take proper care of them and wait until you're 18 to actually start trying to do business.

You have a lot to learn Andre.

Apologies are great Andre, but in the short time that you have been involved in reptiles you have told multiple lies and have shown a pattern of being willing to say anything to get what you want out of a situation. For example:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=Andre+Gennaro

So lets not pretend that this is a first time mistake. You might want to think about what kind of person you want to be as you grow up. This is a particularly bad start.

Long story short... over a AIM convo he said he was selling these snakes to pay for the spider ball python he has on hold with Al Guetzkow from newreptiles.com. Said he'd like to pay him before Christmas.... Okay I can see wanting to pay for this morph and all, but lying about all of this is NOT a good thing at all. Andre, remember you catch more bee's with honey then you do with vintager.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Apologies are great Andre, but in the short time that you have been involved in reptiles you have told multiple lies and have shown a pattern of being willing to say anything to get what you want out of a situation. For example:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=Andre+Gennaro

So lets not pretend that this is a first time mistake. You might want to think about what kind of person you want to be as you grow up. This is a particularly bad start.

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Ouch:eek: .If this was Felony court he would be in the 3 strikes your out system.Yet he does not seem to care when others try to help him.Andre i have a question that has had me puzzled for sometime.You talk about your mom and yourself starting this "business" together numerous times.Where is your Father that you only speak of when you both built the room in the basement.Does he even know about your dealings? I am not trying to be rude and if your Father does not live with you thats understanding as i grew up never seeing my Father.I suggest before you attempt to sell anything ever you need to have a parent post any of the ads until you are 18yrs old.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Long story short... over a AIM convo he said he was selling these snakes to pay for the spider ball python he has on hold with Al Guetzkow from newreptiles.com. Said he'd like to pay him before Christmas.... Okay I can see wanting to pay for this morph and all, but lying about all of this is NOT a good thing at all. Andre, remember you catch more bee's with honey then you do with vintager.

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I don't believe that Andre needs to add any new animals (including the spider) until he's cleared up the RI in his own collection. However, he's like a lot of us were before we had the wisdom of age - we want what we want, and we want it NOW, no matter how we accomplish it.

Andre has a history of twisting stories so much, he doesn't even realize that he's previously contradicted himself.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Ouch:eek: . Yet he does not seem to care when others try to help him.

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I agree! I love to help people learn, love to teach, love to be able to provide the right and correct infomation when asked.... but I know a lot of people will "give up" quicky on someone who doesn't seem to apparicate their help and teaching/learning given to that said person. It's a slap to the face. People ask "why waste my time on someone when they don't really act like they care". It's true.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I don't believe that Andre needs to add any new animals (including the spider) until he's cleared up the RI in his own collection.

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Agreed! Like said in another post... the morph world isn't going anywhere. Spiders morphs aren't going to go "extinct" in the next few months. If I were him, I'd straight up tell Al that "hey I have a RI outbreak here, so I'm going to have to hold off on getting that spider... can you hold he/she longer or if not then I'm going to have to pass on it right now and get my collection back in good heath". I'm SURE any good breeder would understand that. Also IMO if I were selling a snake and I had heard that said person who wanted my snake for sale had a RI or other mishap going on... I would not sell that person my snake. I don't want a snake that I've loved and cared for to go to someone who isn't taking the care of their snakes 110%.

Wow kiddo clean up man , If I were you I'd concentrate on school and the more important's thing's a 13 year old has to worry about. You've got plenty of time to try and sell and or breed reptile's what's your hurry? Remember if you work hard now you'll have most if not all the thing's you want later.

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

It would be kind of hard to heat a whole basement with one oil-filled heater and plus, the rats are in the basement and I dont think they would like ti that hot in their cage. If I get some good insulated blankets to hang up in a portion of the basement as walls would that work?

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I don't know of any ratties who wouldn't like a nice warm place to sleep!

Andre,

It doesn't matter if your Mom or Dad is the one posting the ads for your snakes... the reality is YOU are the one who is providing the care for them. Having your parents telling customers, "Oh ya they are healthy yadayadayada" is wrong. It's lieing! The same 'lieing' that you are doing to your customers... so having an adult stating it, doesn't make it any more right!

It shocks me that anyone who is starting up a "snake selling/breeding business" would not have a quarantine room! Where were you going to house that new spider? In the cold part of your basement???

It also shocks me that you would start up a business and not even be providing proper husbandry for the snakes you currently have. :colbert:

I personally think this thread should be attached to your signature... permanently so people can see what type of business man you really are: "I'll say anything to make the sale. I'll tell you what you want to hear... I'll even create pics to prove my statements... buy from me"

I have a 13 year old son Andre... I've heard it alllll before! It's our "adult radar" - we can see thru the bull every time!

and one more thing...

if you honestly weren't doing anything wrong... how about letting jo paste your conversation and let the members of bp.net draw their own conclusions?

Andre, I must apologize. I requested the pics of your females. Given the recent events I must humbley withdraw my previous offer.

Much luck with any of your projects.

I have kept my mouth shut on this one thus far, but here I am. Andre, as everyone has already stated, you need to just tell everyone the truth from the start. You have been caught numerous times now and each time multiple people have tried to teach you right and you will not accept their help. You also stated on here that your customer service should be number one, I hope you truly mean this and are not marking up items like you did the enclosure on fauna. It seems like you are marking up these snakes a good bit, being that you are no more than a novice/sub-par herp owner. At first, I admired that you were willing to try and start a business at such a young age, but you really need to sit down with your mother and rethink your plans. As was already states, very few people will want to engage in business with a 14 year old; someone who cannot be held repsonsible for any problems with snakes or other product. I hope you have seen the consequences to your lies and understand that you are living under a shady name now and this will come back to you in a few years when you are ready to start selling snakes. There is more expense incurred other than just the snakes. You should now realize that proper husbandry is first and foremost when it comes to your snakes. If you would go through proper procedure and quarantine all snakes, keep all your temps spot on(even if it means buying multiple thermostats and heating elements), and tell the truth, then this would work out for you so much better. Snakes are not something that you can just buy and forget everything else. Each one needs to be properly housed and in health. There is more money to be spent there because you need seperate enclosures for QT and also another thermostat and heat elements. Be happy with the collection that you have now and forget about breeding for a few more years. Grow those girls up and in 2 or 3 years when you are ready, buy your spider and breed him to your 2k-3k g dames.

-Tim

Does anyone else think this should be noted to his mother and onto Fauna???

I really hate to put him out there like this... but I'm one of these people who trust to many people. I'll trust you till I have a reason not to. There is nothing worse then a liar in my eyes. In this case I think people should be advised/warned on what just went down last night on here and how he reacted, etc. Just in case he puts up other ad's else where for these snakes....

I really dont have much to add to this, cause frankly I just dont care...and he's dug his own hole quite nicely..... but there is something that seems to get left out through all this...Everyone keeps telling him to have his mother post the sales, and have his mother handle all the business transactions, which of course is more logical than a kid trying to do biz, but...... I sure as hell wouldnt ever buy anything from someone who doesnt know the first thing about snakes (his mother) and certainly not from someone who isnt the primary caregiver for said snake......

Good job Andre....you put your name in the clunker before you even had one ;)