Soaking for extended periods of time?!?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I've got the video evidence. Its fantastic!

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I'm sure I would get a kick out of it.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I've got the video evidence. Its fantastic!

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Please tell me you at least got my "good side". http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ley/Neener.gif If I'm going to be featured in Jamie's new series "Herpers Gone Wild" I'd at least like to look nice for an old broad. LOL

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I'm sure I would get a kick out of it.

-adam

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it would blow your doors off the hinges!

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

LOL I love you both back! (and no there's no pics of this sooooo stop PMing me for them Robin! :P )

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Geesh Jo! What part of PRIVATE MESSAGE do you not understand?????? :mad:

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I usually get a tad upset at folks that I can pretty much put money on the fact that they aren't taking advice when multiple threads go on here (and at other sites) for days and days with no response indicating they made any changes or sought the advise of a vet! Nothing "funny" in that for me.

If you indeed bothered to do what's right by this snake, post a pic of it's improved setup and confirm it saw a vet and is under treatment. I'll be the first to apologize for my harsh post at that point. Other than that I stand by every character I typed and my opinion that any snake, normal or pricey morph, deserves the best it can get from it's human keeper.

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Im sorry but you would of lost your money.. If you were to put money down.. Last night after work I did go buy a new hide and a heat lamp and did book a vet appointment for 2molo.. I just don't think theres a need for people to come back and confirm with you and say "YES SIR" I took your advice!! Your not the snake police or any thing like that... No need to be upset, you gave your advice which is nice.. BUt don't expect people to listen word for word or come back and confirm with you... The only reason I did't bring her to the vet is because I spoke with the vet and she told me to hold off a bit and see if she gets better.. She said it might just be the temp drop from the weather.. I think everyone wants the best for there pets and would do everything in there power to make them well.. So please don't talk in a way that im a snake abuser or something like that.. I love my snakes just like you love your snake.. I do understand where your comming from.. but no need to get upset.. I know there are people who don't care about there pets but im not one of them...

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Originally Posted by 581775017

I spoke with the vet and she told me to hold off a bit and see if she gets better.. She said it might just be the temp drop from the weather.

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Find a new vet.

-adam

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Originally Posted by jglass38

it would blow your doors off the hinges!

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I'm not sweating it.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I'm not sweating it.

-adam

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Thats the key...

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Thats the key...

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Actually, the sweat didn't help at all ... the key was a white shell toe, 12 1/2.

-adam

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... I just don't think theres a need for people to come back and confirm with you and say "YES SIR" I took your advice!! Your not the snake police or any thing like that... No need to be upset, you gave your advice which is nice.. BUt don't expect people to listen word for word or come back and confirm with you... ...

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Actually, that's just good manners. And it's called "dialogue" and "communication." LOTS of people come here with serious issues that they need help with. And many of us spend a LOT of time typing out detailed answers to do our very best to help them. Why??? Do we get paid to do this? No. Are OUR animals or lives affected by how someone else resolves husbandry issues? No. We do it because we care. And the only reward we EVER get is when someone we've helped comes back and says, "Hey, I went and got some new hides and called the vet. I'll let you know how things turn out next."

....Takes a fraction of the amount of time to type that out, that others have spent trying to help you.

So no...there's no law...no rule....that says you have to come back and let us know you've listened to a word anyone has said. But it sure as heck helps. Besides the fact that it's the only "payback" any of us get for all the time we spend helping...it's in YOUR own best interest because it allows us to see that you ARE trying and you respect us enough to listen and communicate back to us...which in turn makes everyone a lot more likely to continue to spend their time helping you out.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Actually, the sweat didn't help at all ... the key was a white shell toe, 12 1/2.

-adam

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You still wearing the Reeboks from the 90s? They rock!

http://www.glassreptiles.com/pictures/shoe.jpg

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You still wearing the Reeboks from the 90s? They rock!

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WOW, Mr Pop Culture swings and misses ... must be a Yankees thing ... did they make the playoffs this year? :(

-adam

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WOW, Mr Pop Culture swings and misses ... must be a Yankees thing ... did they make the playoffs this year? :(

-adam

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Hahah...That was a swing and a grand slam papi.

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Actually, that's just good manners. And it's called "dialogue" and "communication." LOTS of people come here with serious issues that they need help with. And many of us spend a LOT of time typing out detailed answers to do our very best to help them. Why??? Do we get paid to do this? No. Are OUR animals or lives affected by how someone else resolves husbandry issues? No. We do it because we care. And the only reward we EVER get is when someone we've helped comes back and says, "Hey, I went and got some new hides and called the vet. I'll let you know how things turn out next."

....Takes a fraction of the amount of time to type that out, that others have spent trying to help you.

So no...there's no law...no rule....that says you have to come back and let us know you've listened to a word anyone has said. But it sure as heck helps. Besides the fact that it's the only "payback" any of us get for all the time we spend helping...it's in YOUR own best interest because it allows us to see that you ARE trying and you respect us enough to listen and communicate back to us...which in turn makes everyone a lot more likely to continue to spend their time helping you out.

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Yup I total understand what your saying! And I do agree with you... But if you read the post she wrote flipping out and jumping to conculsion you will understand how I feel. I just think it was totally not needed...

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Originally Posted by JLC

it's in YOUR own best interest because it allows us to see that you ARE trying and you respect us enough to listen and communicate back to us...which in turn makes everyone a lot more likely to continue to spend their time helping you out.

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Wow, now "I" have to spread some love before giving more reputation.

I couldn't have said it better myself. If I've spent the time that I've spent trying to help in this thread, and I see continued questions, with no acknowledgement that you've even read my suggestions, I'm not likely to spend my time composing another reply to future requests for assistance.

I'm still confused as to why its 2 weeks later and still no vet visit.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I'm still confused as to why its 2 weeks later and still no vet visit.

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Because I called my vet and she said to hold off..Might be because of the cold weather lately and told me to see if my snake gets better in 2 days.. Which it did, but now the sounds have came back and I have decided no more waiting is needed.. thats why im bring her in 2molo.

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Because I called my vet and she said to hold off..Might be because of the cold weather lately and told me to see if my snake gets better in 2 days.. Which it did, but now the sounds have came back and I have decided no more waiting is needed.. thats why im bring her in 2molo.

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As you were told, if a vet gave you that advice, find another. No one with any knowledge would advise you on the phone not to bring in a snake that is making popping and wheezing sounds. 2 days is not going clear up a RI.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

2 days is not going clear up a RI.

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And ... RI's don't clear up by themselves ... ANYONE with even a ace hairs worth of experience knows that. :sweeet:

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

And ... RI's don't clear up by themselves ... ANYONE with even a ace hairs worth of experience knows that. :sweeet:

-adam

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Exactly!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Exactly!

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I will find out if its even RI or not 2molo... I got no idea either..

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Originally Posted by 581775017

I will find out if its even RI or not 2molo... I got no idea either..

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Maybe, maybe not. I believe the point of Adam and Jamie's comments about the vet is that IF a vet is ignorant enough about snake physiology to tell you to "wait a couple days to see what happens" instead of insisting on seeing the animal right away with RI symptoms......it's VERY likely the vet would not recognize it if she saw it anyhow. And if she does, are you certain she'll know how to treat it or even properly give shots to a snake?

There's a WORLD of difference between vets who are knowledgeable and competent with dogs and cats...and vets who are experienced and competent with snakes. It's nothing against you personally....just a caution to be aware of. It doesn't sound like the vet you called knows much (if anything) about treating snakes.

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I will find out if its even RI or not 2molo... I got no idea either..

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Originally Posted by 581775017

Now I hear poping sound sometimes when it breaths.

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Hearing those sounds isn't normal. You obviously aren't qualified to diagnose the animal yourself (hence your posting on this message board) ... your snake needs a vet ... sooner rather than later. If you called a vet and explained the sounds you were hearing and that vet told you to wait a couple of days, you need to find a new vet.

For someone who has received countless posts worth of helpful information over the last 2 weeks from people that are giving up their own free time to lend you a hand without so much as a thank you, you seem awfully intent on burning bridges ... I can't help but wonder how much of that help you'll get next time you need it.

There are real human beings on the other sides of those posts for whatever that's worth to you.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Hearing those sounds isn't normal. You obviously aren't qualified to diagnose the animal yourself (hence your posting on this message board) ... your snake needs a vet ... sooner rather than later. If
For someone who has received countless posts worth of helpful information over the last 2 weeks from people that are giving up their own free time to lend you a hand without so much as a thank you, you seem awfully intent on burning bridges ... I can't help but wonder how much of that help you'll get you called a vet and explained the sounds you were hearing and that vet told you to wait a couple of days, you need to find a new vet.
next time you need it.

There are real human beings on the other sides of those posts for whatever that's worth to you.

-adam

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Why are you making me sound like im not greatful for all the help?? Cause I am... Im just not happy with one of the post someone made and I just stated my feelings.. That doesn't mean I have something against all of you... But I guess you guys like to help each other out without reading all the post! Im glad you guys got so much time on your hands to help out other people..

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Why are you making me sound like im not greatful for all the help?? ... But I guess you guys like to help each other out without reading all the post!

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Do you REALLY want to know?

Judy gives excellent advice, and you dismiss it, because there "must" be a reason:

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Then why not take the waterbowl OUT of the tank and put in a small dish that she won't fit into?




Hes soaking for a reason.. I don't want to take away that option for him to soak...

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I suggested:

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Are the hides that you are offering your snake nice and snug (can he feel the hide touching him on all sides and above?). If the hides are too large, it could be he's using the water dish as a hide, because he can "feel" the water touching him all around.

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You dismiss my suggestion:

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Shes been living in the tank for a month now... She use to always hide in her hide all the time.. so I dont' think the hide is the problem...

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Judy and I BOTH suggest a smaller water dish, you clearly didn't take the advice, because you came back with this at 11:42 a.m.

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OMG she been soaking for 5 hours already!! My wife just called and told me she saw her in the water when she woke up already and thats 6AM!! I guess when I get off work and if shes still soaking I will have to remove the water bowl... Shes not soaking in the bowl she drinks from.. shes soaking in the hot side where I keep water to raise the humidity... By the time I get home if shes still in the water It would of been 15hrs+ :(

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Not sure why you didn't tell you wife - these folks here on this forum suggest taking the large water bowl out - honey, will you please do that, they don't think all this soaking is a good thing.

I posted the following suggestions with no responses from you:

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Shes been living in the tank for a month now... She use to always hide in her hide all the time.. so I dont' think the hide is the problem... The Temps are 93F and I use probe to measure right underneth the aspen.. So is RI and soaking related?



That's nice - you still didn't answer the question though - how SNUG is the one hide you are offering her?

She should have two - one on the warm side and one on the cool side. What are the temps on her cool side? 93 sounds right for the warm side. Maybe you aren't offering her a cool side, and she's using the water bowl to cool off?

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Shes not soaking in the bowl she drinks from.. shes soaking in the hot side where I keep water to raise the humidity... By the time I get home if shes still in the water It would of been 15hrs+ :(



Let me guess, there's no hide on that side, is there, since you have the water bowl there.

Maybe she's trying to thermoregulate her temps, and the only "hide" available on that side is the water dish?

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Yeah I only have one hide.. I don't have space.. I only got a 25gal tank.. One hide one nice piece of wood and one water bowl.. But I keep my hide right in the middle... 60% of the hide is on the hot side and 40% of the hide is on the cool side.. Does that work?



You can EASILY fit 2 hides and a water dish in a 25 gallon tank. I did it when I used tanks, I even have 2 hides and a water dish in a 15 QUART tub (a little less than 5 gallons). Sounds like the hide you want to use is too big. Probably a 1/2 log hide?

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I EVEN posted pictures of appropriately sized hides.

Your only reply after all those?

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Thanks for all the info! I just hope shes ok! I swear I read somewhere and they said be sure to have a water bowl large enough for them to soak.. But anyways thanks!

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And yet you ask:

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Why are you making me sound like im not greatful for all the help??

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Ummmm, I dunno?

So, even after all the time we spent trying to help you, you don't say "hey - I really appreciate all your help - I've made some modifications to his enclosure, even told my wife to remove that large water bowl as soon as you recommended it", but instead:

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Well it has happened... Went home last night and saw what i expected, the snake in the water!! I took her out right away, shes been in the water for 16hrs she was cold.. I let her warm up a bit and then I fead her... I was very surprised that she still ate..

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And you're honestly surprised at the replies you got after that, as well as your posts about how much a vet should charge? Why should that matter? Your snake is SICK, your conditions are LESS THAN IDEAL by your own descriptions, and you've not posted a THING to lead us to believe that you've made any changes.

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The funny part is how can you be so sure that I did't take any advice!!

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Maybe because of this?

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Well it has happened... Went home last night and saw what i expected, the snake in the water!! I took her out right away, shes been in the water for 16hrs she was cold.. I let her warm up a bit and then I fead her... I was very surprised that she still ate..

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For me personally, you pretty much dismissed anything I had to say, so I doubt I'll be in a huge rush to reply right away. It's my nature to try to help, but I don't think I'll make it a priority - not until you've demonstrated that maybe, just maybe, the experienced herpers here really are looking out for your snake's best interest and you make some suggested changes. A vet trip and some proper hides would be a good start - just saying! We're passionate about these animals, and nothing you posted, until AFTER you got called to task suggested you made any changes.

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Why are you making me sound like im not greatful for all the help??

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I can't "make you" sound like anything ... you post what you post, I post what I post ... that's the way this message board thing works ... I merely posted what I felt needed to be said.

-adam

Good job guys, all of this information will be good to have on the forum. When people do searches later on they will find this thread and gain a lot of knowledge. As far as this guy, he appears to be a lost cause, but at least all of your advice won't be for naught.


Re: Vet told you to wait a few days

Pick one of the following:
1) You didn't actually call a vet
2) You called a non herp vet who doesnt have a clue
3) You called a herp vet who was on crack at the time


I'm not creative enough to come up with more options :( But please get a clue and listen to these people, or quit antagonizing everyone by neglecting your snake and telling us the details.

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Do you REALLY want to know?

Judy gives excellent advice, and you dismiss it, because there "must" be a reason:



I suggested:



You dismiss my suggestion:



Judy and I BOTH suggest a smaller water dish, you clearly didn't take the advice, because you came back with this at 11:42 a.m.



Not sure why you didn't tell you wife - these folks here on this forum suggest taking the large water bowl out - honey, will you please do that, they don't think all this soaking is a good thing.

I posted the following suggestions with no responses from you:








I EVEN posted pictures of appropriately sized hides.

Your only reply after all those?



And yet you ask:


Ummmm, I dunno?

So, even after all the time we spent trying to help you, you don't say "hey - I really appreciate all your help - I've made some modifications to his enclosure, even told my wife to remove that large water bowl as soon as you recommended it", but instead:



And you're honestly surprised at the replies you got after that, as well as your posts about how much a vet should charge? Why should that matter? Your snake is SICK, your conditions are LESS THAN IDEAL by your own descriptions, and you've not posted a THING to lead us to believe that you've made any changes.



Maybe because of this?



For me personally, you pretty much dismissed anything I had to say, so I doubt I'll be in a huge rush to reply right away. It's my nature to try to help, but I don't think I'll make it a priority - not until you've demonstrated that maybe, just maybe, the experienced herpers here really are looking out for your snake's best interest and you make some suggested changes. A vet trip and some proper hides would be a good start - just saying! We're passionate about these animals, and nothing you posted, until AFTER you got called to task suggested you made any changes.

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LOL boy you got alot of time on your hands :D But anyways Let me ask you this... If someone gives you advice and just because you don't agree 100% or follow the advice.. Does that Equal to you being unthankful for the advice? You keep on saying I dismiss this dismiss that.. I was just telling you the truth... So you guys can help think of any other possiable problems.. Everyone has diffrent opions... Just because someone doesn't do the exact things you said doesnt mean there ungreatful for your advice... Good advice/bad advice as long as someone is trying to help.. Im thankful.

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LOL boy you got alot of time on your hands :D But anyways Let me ask you this... If someone gives you advice and just because you don't agree 100% or follow the advice.. Does that Equal to you being unthankful for the advice? You keep on saying I dismiss this dismiss that.. I was just telling you the truth... So you guys can help think of any other possiable problems.. Everyone has diffrent opions... Just because someone doesn't do the exact things you said doesnt mean there ungreatful for your advice... Good advice/bad advice as long as someone is trying to help.. Im thankful.

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What other possible problems could there be when each contributor consistently gave you the same advice (ditch the large water bowl, get TWO smaller hides and see a vet)? If each person gave you the same advice, were you just waiting for one you liked better?

Generally when people ask for advice from those more experienced than them, they do so with the intention of actually accepting the advice and using it to their benefit (or in this case, the benefit of the sick, defenseless animal that unfortunately has been left in your care). Look at your complete unwillingness to fix the husbandry problems that have clearly been illustrated by multiple people with many combined years of experience. What don't you agree with? Its clear as day that you don't have the knowledge necessary to take care of a living animal or the impetus to change that by following some very basic care requirements. Its sad that an animal has to suffer (and probably die) because of your foolishness.

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What other possible problems could there be when each contributor consistently gave you the same advice (ditch the large water bowl, get TWO smaller hides and see a vet)? If each person gave you the same advice, were you just waiting for one you liked better?

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ADVICE,ADVICE,ADVICE... Its an opinion from what a person thinks and what the person has experienced... So a person with more experience can suggest a diffrent opinion... Im sure your not that experienced, hence your sitting infront of your computer all day trying to teach someone with your so called advice and then when people don't listen, you have time to find back all there old post and start talking about how they are unthankful... Disagree doesn't equal unthankful.. remember that!.. Im not even going to waste my time anymore aruging with you.. I will take advice from a professional vet rather than a person like you who has a :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: load of time on there hands who likes to aruge and play wannabe professional vet on internet forums! Is something wrong in your life?... Is something not blanced in life? Is that why your being such an ass online trying to make up for whatevers missing? Does giving your advice make you happy and makes you feel like you helped someone.? Maybe your the only one who needs help out of this snake world of yours.. :D Don't worry keep on trying! One day all the kids on this site will know you and treat you like GOD!! Your doing a great job! and have a nice day...

Weeellll now....I think we've seen just about all the advice that this thread is gonna see.


Imagine how much time could have been saved if you had just called that vet to begin with and left us out of it??? :colbert: Oh wait...that's right....your vet didn't actually give you any advice! Well, hopefully this next time around will be better. They obviously know WAY more than anyone here.