belly problem

i have spoken to alot of them 15-20 different booths i bought two last show in daytona fl from the same person and he had them both together in display and at his store i went to buy the hide boxes and lights and he told me i didnt need to buy two that i could keep the males together

so would i i have alot invested i did remove them from the room as all the others but it was initially in with the one ... i seperated it when i first noticed the problem then put them back after talking to the vet....they have been together for 2-3 months now and no signs on the other one they eat regularly and the belly one acts fine ... im just totally confused i shed him myself before it happened ..which i have done time to time with my other ones and after that about a week is when i noticed it ..it seems to be coming off with this shed but cant be sure till he is done

in that case, i wish you all the best with your snakes and breedings. sounds like you have everything working fine... so i'll go into some other threads where people need some assistance.

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im just totally confused i shed him myself before it happened ..which i have done time to time with my other ones and after that about a week is when i noticed it ..it seems to be coming off with this shed but cant be sure till he is done

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sorry i haven't left yet... you and i were posting at the same time LOL

what does this mean? i've never done this... how's it done?

he didnt shed all the way so i soaked him and gently rubbed the remaining shed off ....i have done this in the past so i knew what i was doing ...but maybe i irratated some dry skin ..i was hopping someone else had seen this before

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i was hopping someone else had seen this before

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unfortunately though... without pics we don't know if we've seen it before.

:(

just a quick question, do you have a t-stat on your heat source? Could it be a Burn that scabbed over?

i will get some tomorrow thank you

i thought that to i have an underthe tank heater ..i use newspaper for the bottom ...

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i thought that to i have an underthe tank heater ..i use newspaper for the bottom ...

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Yeah but do you have a thermostat to control the how hot the UTH gets?

even with a UTH you still need a t-stat. ;) it keeps it from being too hot for your snake esp when you use newspaper as a substrate (or paper towel).

perhaps, your snake was on the bottom of the cuddle pile and it got burned?

but... that couldn't be it cause a herp vet would recognize a burn!

no i have one for the tank ...where can i get one that controles the heater..also if it were too hot how come the other ones did not get burned ???

was the vet you took the snake to a herp vet? cause if it was and your vet has never seen anything like this before... then it can't be from heat or rot... cause any good herp vet would recognize that.

we really need some pics!

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no i have one for the tank ...where can i get one that controles the heater..also if it were too hot how come the other ones did not get burned ???

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Ok I think im a little confused, how do you have a t-stat for the tank but dont have one for the heater?

yes he was ... how good he was i dont know ...the next closet one is 2 hours away

i have a thermometer for the tank temp ...i mean ......

so you have a thermometer but not a thermostat? cause we are asking about a t-stat or thermostat...

what kind of thermometer do you have? digital? how many temps does it take at once?

where can i get one that controles the heater ?

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i have a thermometer for the tank temp ...i mean ......

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From all the reptile shows you have been to and all the peopel you have talked to, not a single on reccomended a thermostat?

img]http://www.heatersplus.com/images/uth.hlkjt3.jpg[/img]this is my heater

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he didnt shed all the way so i soaked him and gently rubbed the remaining shed off ....i have done this in the past so i knew what i was doing ...but maybe i irratated some dry skin ..i was hopping someone else had seen this before

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Nicoele(if i spelled it wrong i am sorry), i am sorry if i sounded like i was being a jerk(no comments from the rest of you here lol).When i read your first post about the belly problem and then the keeping reptiles together,and your own words of that you have to many to keep them in seperate enclosures.I kicked into over drive and posted everything that i have ever experianced by keeping snakes in enclosure together.Then you posted about the books it took me up another notch.Of all the books i have ever bought in my beggining they were exactly what i told you earlier,a waste of paper.Everything i know now has been from hands on experiance,talking to other freinds whom are breeders of numerous reptiles and i try to pass on my knowledge to the members here.I never waste time listening to people at pet stores as very few really know what they are talking about(of course this is another story).I have helped alot of people in my short time being here and i have also had help given to myself from the members here.What i am trying to really say here is my first thought was to help your reptiles and forgot about helping you understand what i really ment.I apologize if i hurt your feelings:) .Could i offer you some advice? Since your vet is unaware of what it is on your snakes belly is there another reptile vet in your area? It concerns me that your vet had no idea and just ended it there.Its obvious you are still concerned though.

ive never had a problem with that one ..beacause of the large tanks there are hot and cool sides

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just a quick question, do you have a t-stat on your heat source? Could it be a Burn that scabbed over?

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Aric, i think you have it correct

may i ask you a few questions. this may help us out a bit.

what are your temps? warm and cool side.

how many hides do you have and where are they located.

what's your humidity?

exactly what type of an enclosure is this snake in?

how many roommates does it have (sharing the enclosure)

and you use newspaper on the bottom...

i am concerned for you... with $8,000 worth of snakes... i would think you'd have a kick-butt vet working with ya.

joe the next closet one is 2 hours away and does not have an appointment for 2 weeks ...im hoping that it will shed off once he finishes shedding ....i know where your coming from ..im just so frustrated and upset about his belly none of these vets or breeders can give me a straight answer excepct tht its not rot or anything serious

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where can i get one that controles the heater ?

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This is the thermostate i use the $24.98 one. http://www.reptilesupply.com/index.php?cPath=30_74

i keep two babies in a 30 gallon long aquarium with a screen top ..i have two hid bowex on the side where the underheater is they have a light on top with a 50 bulb ...anoth hid box on opposite side with damp moss in it to help the humidity ...unfortanatly the only vet near me couldnt help the other one is 2 hours away and next appointment is 2-3 weeks im trying here

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img]http://www.heatersplus.com/images/uth.hlkjt3.jpg[/img]this is my heater

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Zoomed UTH are junk.I use exto-terra UTH along with the thermostate in my last post.

i will look into getting those heaters thanks

yes i use newspaper

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i will look into getting those heaters thanks

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Did you see the link for the thermostate? http://www.reptilesupply.com/index.php?cPath=30_74

it's not a heater... you have a UTH - it's a thermostat which will regulate how much heat the UTH gives off.

$8k in ball morphs, ZooMed UTHs w/o thermostats, multiple snakes in huge glass tanks...

I smell doo doo ...

:rockon:

what about the temps and humidity and what kind of thermometer are you useing?

one of those digital ones

yes 8k between my brother who passed aways snakes and the ones i bought ...

elevatethis NO NOT MULTI SNAKES IN ONE CAGE

83-87 For Heat And Humidty About 65-75

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one of those digital ones

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Then what does it say for the temps?

edit: im too slow, forget this post:cool:

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may i ask you a few questions. this may help us out a bit.

what are your temps? warm and cool side.

how many hides do you have and where are they located.

what's your humidity?

exactly what type of an enclosure is this snake in?

how many roommates does it have (sharing the enclosure)

and you use newspaper on the bottom...

i am concerned for you... with $8,000 worth of snakes... i would think you'd have a kick-butt vet working with ya.

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i keep two babies in a 30 gallon long aquarium with a screen top ..i have two hid bowex on the side where the underheater is they have a light on top with a 50 bulb ...anoth hid box on opposite side with damp moss in it to help the humidity ...unfortanatly the only vet near me couldnt help the other one is 2 hours away and next appointment is 2-3 weeks im trying here

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okay... i don't know what two hid bowex is and then you mention a hide box on the opposite side with damp moss in it.

you only need a humid hide for when they are shedding. otherwise you don't keep it in the tank. they need two hides. one on the warm side and one on the cool side.

i'm going to back out of this thread now cause honestly nicole... you are either pulling our legs cause i can't imagine someone with $8,000 in snakes would NOT know how to measure temps, how to use a thermostat, wouldn't have a qualified vet available for their snakes and... IMO, they would not house mulitiple snakes together. the investment of their snakes would be very important to them and they would know how to keep them properly.

so... if you really do have all those snakes - please... read some caresheets on ball pythons.

bye,
aleesha

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83-87 For Heat And Humidty About 65-75

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thats too cool and the humidity is too high.

92-94 on hot side
82-84 cool side (what I keep mine at)
and between 50-60% humidity.

I DONT UNDERSTAND YOU PEPOLE WHY WOULD I LIE whatever i dont care if you belive me or not i just needed some help thanks to those who gave me some insight ...what does it matter if i have one or 100 i needed help with a problem so i asked i didnt think i would encounter so much negativie feedback

thanks worldcupkeeper i will adjust my temps

nic I have a idea can you buy a small plastic locking lid box at wal-martand a small water dish and keep him in that its no expisive 1 it sprates the snakes 2 and it would be a compermize between you and joe now just is only me thinking aout loud

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i am concerned for you... with $8,000 worth of snakes... i would think you'd have a kick-butt vet working with ya.

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And that you don't know what a thermostat is, much less have invested in some to protect your snakes.

OKAY I'M NOW REALLY CONFUSED!

I just read all 10 pages....

You say you have 8k wrapped into ball pythons, and then you state that you need help with problems... such as heat, humidity, belly problems, Also you only use zoomed mats.... then I read that you have had some of these snakes for 10 years?

What why not get better heatings supplys? Get tubs, seperate all your snakes, etc.

Really now, maybe no one else caught on to that and if they did, not one said anything.... but something just does not add up with this at all.

allison,

if you read all 10 pages, did you not notice that you are the third person to say this?

:rofl:

Yes I know some people have said such things, but I have to agree that I also smell "doo doo" with this whole thing... ;)

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$8k in ball morphs, ZooMed UTHs w/o thermostats, multiple snakes in huge glass tanks...

I smell doo doo ...

:rockon:

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Me too! And between the smell of poo and the loss of IQ points attributed directly to this thread, I need a nap..

perhaps it's 8000 yen? = $68.00 :oops: