Feeding Live....

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I do not consider them animals in a way.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Yep they froze him...It is better in a freezer

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Wow......:(

-Evan

It's really not that complicated to dispatch prey items humanely. In my opinion, some people are too lazy or uncaring to do it a proper way, so they argue that their way is not inhumane...:(

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Originally Posted by sho220

It's really not that complicated to dispatch prey items humanely. In my opinion, some people are too lazy or uncaring to do it a proper way, so they argue that their way is not inhumane...:(

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Exactly! Excellent point...

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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison

Wow......:(

-Evan

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Ditto!:(

Phew........Glad I feed live. No moral decisions on my part. Ozzy made that choice for me.


But I have to say to consider rodents or prey items not animals is just not right.

Watch any undercover video about how cattle, chickens etc. are treated and you'll soon realize that humane actions to kill these animals is an occasional thing, I've seen more beatings and executions of animals we all take for granted as we place our order at Mc Donalds and eat with our happy families then I would ever like to, I think it's important that while playing god, and telling an animal when it will die is something we should all respect and do in a manner in which helps us stay the smarter more compassionate animal in the group.
If I could choose to either a) be smacked against a wall...which MIGHT kill me...big word being might...if not I will have to be smacked again and again...all while being scared.... or b) be taken down by a large snake that will kill me, sufficate me yes, but will get the job done the first time...then I would choose the 2nd one.
I mean these feeder rats we born to be fed to snakes not beaten against human objects...some might be able to argue that cows are bred to be eaten....and yes for those who choose to eat them they are....but nothing is bred to be beaten!!!

IMO as long as the animal doesn't suffer its Humane. Cervical Dislocation at the next is humane as is whacking IMO. My oppinion is based on experience I have had in killing many many rodents that was. I have yet to have one suffer as long as they do when being constricted. Constriction for a large rat may take quite a while and always takes more than the 5 seconds it takes to do 2-3 whacks on the wall

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

IMO as long as the animal doesn't suffer its Humane. Cervical Dislocation at the next is humane as is whacking IMO. My oppinion is based on experience I have had in killing many many rodents that was. I have yet to have one suffer as long as they do when being constricted. Constriction for a large rat may take quite a while and always takes more than the 5 seconds it takes to do 2-3 whacks on the wall

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You couldn't be more wrong. Cervical Dislocation is one of only two accepted methods of humane euthanasia of rodents. Whacking isn't the other. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

You couldn't be more wrong. Cervical Dislocation is one of only two accepted methods of humane euthanasia of rodents. Whacking isn't the other. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Its not hard to understand at all. Its just that Whacking is also quicker and what I would consider less painfull than constriction

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Its not hard to understand at all. Its just that Whacking is also quicker and what I would consider less painfull than constriction

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I think the discussion is what's a more humane way for a keeper to kill prey items. A Ball Python has no idea what's humane or not humane...

There are several options available to keepers. Why pick smacking it against a wall. My guess is because it's the easiest. Doing things the right way is not always the easiest way.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Sooo... what do you consider them as?

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rodents whose only point in being in my house is to be eaten by a snake. they are food just as is all the meat in my freezer. The animals were raised to be eaten. However they die, they die. I think giving them a hard whack and either killing or stunning them is much less painful as being constricted and gasping for air for a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

rodents whose only point in being in my house is to be eaten by a snake. they are food just as is all the meat in my freezer. The animals were raised to be eaten. However they die, they die. I think giving them a hard whack and either killing or stunning them is much less painful as being constricted and gasping for air for a few minutes.

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How very caring and respectful. :rockon:

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Its not hard to understand at all. Its just that Whacking is also quicker and what I would consider less painfull than constriction

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Ok, this is not about what your opinion is on whether or not "whacking" is humane. Your opinion is completely irrelevent.

The AVMA does not approve blunt force trauma of rodents as a humane method of euthanasia. Why are you going to debate the opinion of vets and scientists?

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

rodents whose only point in being in my house is to be eaten by a snake. they are food just as is all the meat in my freezer. The animals were raised to be eaten. However they die, they die. I think giving them a hard whack and either killing or stunning them is much less painful as being constricted and gasping for air for a few minutes.

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This is definately one of the reasons people such as PETA,animal activists, and reptile hating people hate us reptile people. They think we are all cruel and act like rodents are nothing. You have to respect your snake's food, whether a mouse, or a big rat. Without the rats or mice, you would probably have NO snake.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

This is definately one of the reasons people such as PETA,animal activists, and reptile hating people hate us reptile people. They think we are all cruel and act like rodents are nothing. You have to respect your snake's food, whether a mouse, or a big rat. Without the rats or mice, you would probably have NO snake.

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I would do my best to swap to gerbils :)

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Originally Posted by bpkid

This is definately one of the reasons people such as PETA,animal activists, and reptile hating people hate us reptile people. They think we are all cruel and act like rodents are nothing. You have to respect your snake's food, whether a mouse, or a big rat. Without the rats or mice, you would probably have NO snake.

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This is true.
I'm an animal rights activist but I also love reptiles. Everyone always asks me how I can be both. The way I see it is that I have a choice of what I can eat to survive, snakes do not. I have to feed them rodents so I do it the most humane way possible which is F/T.

I can see why some activists get upset with herpers when there are people talking about 'whacking' and 'stunning'.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

This is definately one of the reasons people such as PETA,animal activists, and reptile hating people hate us reptile people. They think we are all cruel and act like rodents are nothing. You have to respect your snake's food, whether a mouse, or a big rat. Without the rats or mice, you would probably have NO snake.

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What I've said in almost everyone of my post on this subject.
We have to make sure we explain to people that no, not all snake owners practice this kind of feeding, I dont want anyone to think I would ever be caught dead feeding my snakes that way, but people that dont know anything about snakes and have never owned one will think every person who owns a snake sits around on feeding day smacking rats in the head until they die....thats not something I want to be known for.

Whacking isn't a barbaric act at all. One good smack and a rat is dead, I could give a rats arse what the AVMA says about blunt force trama. The rat suffers little to none at all. Shen you see a rat get bit constricted and get out of the coils and run off, you'll see what inhumane is. I will continue to whack rats in a way that they don't suffer as opposed to feed live.

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Whacking isn't a barbaric act at all. One good smack and a rat is dead, I could give a rats arse what the AVMA says about blunt force trama. The rat suffers little to none at all. Shen you see a rat get bit constricted and get out of the coils and run off, you'll see what inhumane is. I will continue to whack rats in a way that they don't suffer as opposed to feed live.

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Some people will never be convinced, regardless of the proof...

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Some people will never be convinced, regardless of the proof...

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WHat proof?

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

WHat proof?

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Forget it, its been posted more times than I can count..Do your own thing man..I certainly don't respect it but its all good..

:rockon:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Forget it, its been posted more times than I can count..Do your own thing man..I certainly don't respect it but its all good..

:rockon:

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ok....

My next important task is setting up a gas chamber , I'm getting to a point where I feel I have to whack rat's and I don't like it. I breed my own and it's a little more difficult to feed them off.

Wow - This topic started from a pic of what happens to irresponisbibly feed their snakes, to a whole different discussion on humanely euthanising rodents - One thing is being overlooked here IMO - Snakes eat rodents period.


I have been scalled on other forums for feeding live, however the consensus seems to be more mutual here, which is why I hang around here.

I've kept Tegu's befeore in which the feeding response is a whole different story from that of a ball python - I prekilled their rodents by grabbing them by the tail, and breaking their necks using a pair of channel locks to snap their neck.

Do some of you not raise your own rodents to feed your snakes, afterall this is not rodents.net - it's ball-pythons.net - You are here because you a member of a snake forum "who by the way eat rodents"

I don't have any opinion feeding live or dead, as what's in the best interest is not your opinion, but that of your snake. They don't sit there in the wild waiting for someone to drop a F/T in their face.

Feed dead or live "responsibly" and dont argue over the how to kill your snakes food - They eat rodents period - Rodents are bred to be fed, unless you keep them as small little furry pets - Why argue over the demise of your rodents, while you keep snakes ? - I will not even respond to the PETA Crap :rockon:

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Originally Posted by Emilio

My next important task is setting up a gas chamber , I'm getting to a point where I feel I have to whack rat's and I don't like it. I breed my own and it's a little more difficult to feed them off.

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I personally don't like feeding live and watching the little critter suffer even if only for few moments and sooo wish Ozzy would eat f/t that someone else had done the dirty deed. Kinda like me eating meat, it's ok for me as long as I don't have to be part and party to the preperation. But that's just me.

Like I said in the early years of Ozzy I had to whack a mouse on a couple of occasions ( the store's in my area where out of f/t) and I really didn't like it but it was better at that time then Ozzy going w/o food. If my only source was to buy live and have to whack then I indeed would invest in a gas chamber. I know when I did whack it was one whack, fast and painless and done.
It's easy to see why the vets/experts are against it because there has to be a large margin of error on the whackers part which would cause the several blows and that is just to much trauma.

But like was said everyone has to do there own thing. And we can choose to respect it or not.

I know people I have encountered ( non repitle folks ) have a very hard time w/ the fact some feed live and find that just utterly disgusting, my mom being one of those people. She happens to be a huge animal advocate. Heck she really doesn't like the fact keeping " wild " animals at all. And yes I have explained time and time again that most bp's and most reptiles are captive breed.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Wrong! Get the facts straight big guy...Freezing death is horribly painful. Anyone who told you otherwise is wrong and most likely, dangerous to themself and others.

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I was talking about snakes not rats...lol.Or did you mean snakes? I wotn be putting a nsake down that way anyway.

I love how some people give negative feedback and give no name with it.

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Originally Posted by BP's Rock

Wow - This topic started from a pic of what happens to irresponisbibly feed their snakes, to a whole different discussion on humanely euthanising rodents - One thing is being overlooked here IMO - Snakes eat rodents period.


I have been scalled on other forums for feeding live, however the consensus seems to be more mutual here, which is why I hang around here.

I've kept Tegu's befeore in which the feeding response is a whole different story from that of a ball python - I prekilled their rodents by grabbing them by the tail, and breaking their necks using a pair of channel locks to snap their neck.

Do some of you not raise your own rodents to feed your snakes, afterall this is not rodents.net - it's ball-pythons.net - You are here because you a member of a snake forum "who by the way eat rodents"

I don't have any opinion feeding live or dead, as what's in the best interest is not your opinion, but that of your snake. They don't sit there in the wild waiting for someone to drop a F/T in their face.

Feed dead or live "responsibly" and dont argue over the how to kill your snakes food - They eat rodents period - Rodents are bred to be fed, unless you keep them as small little furry pets - Why argue over the demise of your rodents, while you keep snakes ? - I will not even respond to the PETA Crap :rockon:

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GREAT POST!!

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

I love how some people give negative feedback and give no name with it.

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I can tell you who it wasn't...

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I can tell you who it wasn't...

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lol I have no suspects and I really don't care. If they weren't man or woman enough to put their name thats their own problem

live feeding, whacking, whatever is all fine, as long as in the end the snake is safe and eating, and the roden doesn't suffer too much. i know constricting isn't pleasurable, but if i start feeling sorry for rodents next thing i'll be feeling sorry of flies and ants that get squashed daily

I don't mind feeding live mice to my snakes but I will admit that full grown rats does bother me a little....I used to keep rats as pets years ago before I got into herps and I feel sort of bad sometimes about using them as feeders.
I get the rat pinks and fuzzies now.


My original crew of Ball Pythons ( Trinity, Apok , Cypher and Switch ) took large full grown rats and the poor rats would scream bloody murder when the BPs hit them. Today I have my new Ball Pythons ( Link and Morpheus ) and they are still on adult mice so the rat action is a ways off for now. I also feed live so that sort of makes it a bit controversial as I have seen how quickly people get into an argument over that.....

EyeLashViper

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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison

Wow......:(

-Evan

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Whats so wow? I have bien told that freezing snakes are a more humane way of killing them. But I guess im wrong. So, whats the right way? My eyes are open and ready to read.

I'm thinking that they want everyone to kill them using a CO2 chamber, like the feeders. I've never been freezed to death https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...s/rolleyes.gif but my fingers start to hurt if I hold a piece of ice for too long, so I'm guessing it's a very painful way to die. And also, stories of people freezing to death usually aren't too nice souding. Frostbite, hypothermia...etc.

CO2 chamber just sounds more peaceful and kind, in a way.

I dunno though, I've never had to euthanize a snake.

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Originally Posted by chibi_tama_love

I'm thinking that they want everyone to kill them using a CO2 chamber, like the feeders. I've never been freezed to death https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...s/rolleyes.gif but my fingers start to hurt if I hold a piece of ice for too long, so I'm guessing it's a very painful way to die. And also, stories of people freezing to death usually aren't too nice souding. Frostbite, hypothermia...etc.

CO2 chamber just sounds more peaceful and kind, in a way.

I dunno though, I've never had to euthanize a snake.

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Im talking euthanizing snakes not rodents.:P ;)