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well said adam.

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well said adam.

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ditto, one of the best posts ive seen in a while

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Look tinkle, I was just trying to help ... you seem to be soooo ate up with breeding and how many girls you can get and how cheap you can get them for that you're not listening to some very solid advice that is being give by lots of people on this message board ... it's more polite for someone to say "that might not be the best deal in the world for someone just getting started" instead of "you're a kid that's wet behind the ears getting taken by one of the many scammers that exist in this business" .... read between the lines slurpie.

Ever see the movie "Colors"? ... There's a great joke in that movie that you resemble ...

An old bull and a young bull were looking over a meadow full of cows. The young bull said "hey, lets run down there a screw a couple of those cows." The older bull looked at the younger bull, smiled, and said "no son, lets walk down there and screw them all."

To be successful breeding ball pythons, you have to think of it as a marathon, not a race ... burn yourself out today on all of these "great deals" and there will be no tomorrow. There are people here that want you to be successful ... that have been where you are, made the mistakes that you're going to make and that want to help ... you do what you want with that.

Cause hey, what do I know right?

Good luck with that 9 egger! :rofl:

-adam

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Very well said.

-Andre

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Look tinkle, I was just trying to help ... you seem to be soooo ate up with breeding and how many girls you can get and how cheap you can get them for that you're not listening to some very solid advice that is being give by lots of people on this message board ... it's more polite for someone to say "that might not be the best deal in the world for someone just getting started" instead of "you're a kid that's wet behind the ears getting taken by one of the many scammers that exist in this business" .... read between the lines slurpie.

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Great paragraph Adam ! :gj:

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Ever see the movie "Colors"? ... There's a great joke in that movie that you resemble ...

An old bull and a young bull were looking over a meadow full of cows. The young bull said "hey, lets run down there a screw a couple of those cows." The older bull looked at the younger bull, smiled, and said "no son, lets walk down there and screw them all."

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I like the way he thinks!:8: :rofl:

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To be successful breeding ball pythons, you have to think of it as a marathon, not a race ... burn yourself out today on all of these "great deals" and there will be no tomorrow. There are people here that want you to be successful ... that have been where you are, made the mistakes that you're going to make and that want to help ... you do what you want with that.

Cause hey, what do I know right?

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Nother great post!! Look at me. I love snakes so much im going crazy. I am asking left and right to help out wiht collections just so I can see snakes....I want to be A "big baller' i want to be one of them people with exspencive morphs. But you know what? Im not !! You know why? I am listening to the people who are thoughs 'big ballers' and alot of them say not to jump inot snakes really fast...dont grabe at every deal out there. Get all your supplies and a few snakes read as much as possible. Dont think you can make 1,000,000 dollars fast...cause its not going to happen any time soon . Impulsive buys can lead to death and a hole in your poket. Take your time and look into quality not Quantity.

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Good luck with that 9 egger! :rofl:

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Ditto that!:carrot:


I hope you see what im saying...

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as far as the pastel is concerned. Bob hammond bought a bunch of pastels from greg. Sold some and had some left over...he even told me himself it might be a female...But he was pretty sure it was a male...but he said he could be wrong. so who knows. I'm not mad, Pet stores aren't always breeders as well. And the people I bought it from really didn't know the value of ball's or even some other snakes ...They didn't have anything in there near the actual value of the animals in the store...

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Ok first off i will make my comments about this post.I do not know Bob Hammond personaly,i can not see someone who sells snakes give a "could be either sex" pastel or any morph for $150.Its either a male or a female and will be priced accordingly.The only possibility was he was joking with you about not knowing the sex.Next i would love to go to this pet store where they do not know the "value" of the animals in the store.If its for real i will be down this weekend and buy everything in the store!Of course i will not make traveling plans just yet;) .Now for your other comments.Not one member has posted anything hatefull towards yourself,i even read every post:eek: .Now like allready mentioned the vast majority of the members here can smell a scam within seconds of the person posting this "deal" they just bought.You keep stating you are not upset and will not get upset,then two seconds later you want Adam to tell you what he was thinking:confused: .I myself have only been into reptiles for 9yrs now.In my beggining i also bought these "deals" at a mind blowing price,guess what everyone of those "deals" were a pile of bull poo!!I finnaly decided i was done buying vaselin before i went to any shows and found someone to teach me how to probe my own snakes!! Until you have someone show you how to either pop or probe snakes yourself you are going to go thru alot of vaselin.Now you might be wondering why i am so point blank blunt here,the reason is everyone else(including my earlier posts) up to this post of mine have been very nice.Then you seem to misunderstand there comments,so i figured i would tell you the truth to where you will not misunderstand my comments.Now if you verify that your pastel and this "female" are really females in great health and breed for you for many years to come i will be the first to apologize to you.Now i might take a few neg rep hits here but do it only if anything i stated here is false.Thanks

You can absolutely find great deals from people going through divorce, financial troubles such as a loss of income, new child, evictions, breeders that are just fed up with all the arguing surrounding BP's and that no amount of money in the world is worth it to them!

These are some of the people who are out there selling one snake or whole collections and are just happy to break even with what they paid or to pay the balance owed on that credit card! These are not scammers, not evil people just people in need or desperation that may need money or just want out! Great, healthy, high end snakes at a great price that of course no breeder wants others to know about because they still want to sell their Mojaves for $1500 or Spiders for $1500, while in the real world anyone can pick one up for $700-$800!

You also have keepers or breeders that need the space and don't care as much as others about money and prefer to help out a newbie! But, these types of people that are by these standards giving away these BP, are made to look bad and evil and scammers! Are you saying these types of people don't exist in the Ball Python communities? I get it, I'm only allowed to buy from certain breeders if I'm to be safe, let me guess who those certain breeders are?!

Yes, you do have a lot of scammers selling lowball out there just waiting to take advantage of someone! The same as you have scammers selling high and overcharging and ripping others off! You can easily buy a sick $600 snake as a sick $150 snake! You can get screwed paying $600 for a Pastel as easy as if you paid $150 for a Pastel! In fact, paying $600 for a Pastel or $1500 for a Spider or $1200 for a Mojave could be considered getting scammed, if you look at it this way! You can buy them for $400-$600 less elsewhere! But, you don't see me or anyone harassing others for paying these scammer prices…why? We don't care what you paid or what you're selling your snakes for!

Call me stupid and "wet behind the ears" all you want, at least I'm not getting scammed by overpaying, which is worse than getting taken by a scammer that sold you a sick/incorrect sexed snake! If someone sells you a sick snake or takes your money and runs, they are at fault and it's just wrong! But, if you overpay and later on realize you just got taken for $500, YOU'RE the only one to blame, you’re the sucker, not the seller! I shop around, I shop around to avoid getting scammed by breeders wanting to rip me off by overcharging 2, 3, 5 times what others are charging for the same snakes!

Take that as you will...




And by the way my pastel "is" a male and my new female "is" a female. I had them probed last night...And was actually offered money on the female but I refused...

You can find good deals but they are less common than you might think.

Usually ones that seem to good to be true are.
That is why some questioned it.


BTW, isn't Bob Hammond out of the reptile biz for a while since his arrest for illegal herps? He is very knowledgeable about herps (that's what got him in trouble) and knows the sex can determine the price so I really doubt he would not know the sex of an animal in his possession.

When I talked to him on the phone he said he was pretty sure that it was a male but that he could have probed it wrong. Either way, i wasn't trying to say I bought a female when it was labeled a male at the show. I just wanted to know for sure. As far as Bob Hammond being arrested he must be out now because he was at the tampa show and i've been keeping in contact with him on the phone since the show.

As far as I know he's still in it...

You've missed the point yet again ... not your fault though, I'm sure all that market stuff with the whole "your prices are too high" came from those messages sitting in your inbox ... don't let those idiots manipulate you, they're clueless.

Ok, so back to the real point! .... If you can find a quality adult proven female ball python for $150 GOOD FOR YOU! ... GREAT! ... I'm very happy for you and if you'd like to re-sell her and make a few bucks, let me know, I always have CASH ready to go for quality animals ... BUT ... There are many people on this forum that have been into ball pythons for more than 21 days and EVERYONE in the hobby/business knows that one of the most popular scams out there is for people to sell adult WC females that are in the country no longer than 8 months as adult proven females ... half the time they were imported gravid and laid eggs on their arrival into the country ... many times, even the people selling them don't know the animals history ... they are probably good people making a few bucks on what they thought was a great deal ... the problem with buying these girls is that 99% of the time it takes YEARS for them to feel secure enough to breed in captivity .... sometimes you're even lucky to get them to eat ... No one is saying that EVERY $150 adult proven female is a scam, but many many are. People here were just trying to help you, but instead of saying "hey, thanks for the advice, we'll see how it goes" you chose to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "nanny nanny boo boo" ... that's nice.

21 days ago, you posted this ...

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pardon my lack of knowledge of the morphs...

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No you're lecturing on the ball python market? ... Give me a break ... some of the people on this board have invested YEARS of their lives into these amazing animals and you're insulting them with that crap. Get over yourself ... no one is telling you who to buy from, what to pay, what to charge, or anything like that ... do what you want and let others do what they want ... if you don't like the way people respond to your posts you might have to consider the fact that maybe it's YOU ... there are dozens of other people that start threads on this forum every day that don't catch heat like you do ... Could it be that maybe you're just coming off a little bit abbrasively?

-adam

I have no idea about Bob's history nor do I care about his past or if he cheats on his wife! What I do know, is he sold me a great snake which now I have confirmed that is in fact what I wanted. I can have Bob come on this site if you like and deal with your accusations himself, but I will not speak to that as it is non of my business.



Guys, here is the deal!

IMO, I got a great deal on a snake that I am really happy with and wanted to share here on this site. If this is not the site for this type of discussion unless you buy your snakes from some approved breeder list that all of you approve, please direct me to a forum that will not harass for my purchases!

I know of a forum you'd fit just perfectly into!

I'm not lecturing on the ball python market. I've just done my research on prices. Also I have been into ball pythons for alot longer than 21 days. I may only be 21 but I have owned and cared for ball pythons since I was in the 5th grade all thru out highschool until we had to move and My mother had jacked my collection....


regardless, you are sitting here saying 21 days ago you posted this...

posting a link about me asking about hypos...

Dude, So what? I mean seriuosly it just goes to show how immature you are. Do you really own this site or what?

This is really sad...

Name calling and everything. And yeah there are people that can start posts and dont' get heat like I do. Mainly because whenever there is a price involved and it's lower than you or someone else I get heat...Dude so what.
It's not your money that I'm spending.

Seriously though, It's cool. I don't even sweat it.

You continue to dismiss and knock down the advice of people with much more experience than you on the token that you think they have some kind of agenda, when in fact we're just looking out for you.

You made a very excited post and gave every little detail about your "too good to be true" deal, and we put a check on that excitement to make sure you didn't get screwed. Now you are calling us immature? Maybe you should migrate to another forum if all you want to hear is "dude sweet!" "awesome steal" "yeah don't overpay buddy!".......

Not only that, but how would you know what's sitting in my inbox. Obviously you aren't a mod or part of admin. So that just goes to show how REALLY sad this is. I posted a thread about how I was happy that I got a good deal. And I did. WHy must it come so far as to mods going thru pm's which are suppose to be private but because it involves you and prices everything is brought to your attention.

I'm not knocking down advice. I'm just simply saying that I have received the advice...Before and after I bought the snake. I got it and everybody has gotten their message across. But i've bought my snake, It's a girl I'm happy with it. What's so crazy about that. I was aware of what i could have gotten or not gotten. I took a gamble and ended up actually getting the once in a life time rare deal on a female. ENd of story. But seriously? can't we all just get along?

Can't we all just say ok enough is enough and stop argueing. Sitting here and thinking about it is pathetic. And I'm not sticking my hands in my ears and screaming nanny nanny poo poo. Just expressing my happiness about my purchase. If that is such a bad thing than I don't know what to say

Dude sweet deal!

Happy? Can we end this now?

I'm not going to migrate to another forum and neither should I. THERE IS alot of good information here don't get me wrong. And Like I said I respected hearing everyones concern and check on the snake when I said it was a proven breeder for $125 but please understand. I was aware and i took the gamble and won on it. I'm not calling everyone immature but if you've already told me that it may be WC it may not be a female it may not lay ok I got it...Theres no need to just keep on with the negativity...I got it the first time...So how about it

That's what i've been trying to do but it's easier said then done....





DONE!

Are you having fun just bringing this arguement 'round and 'round and 'round?

djslurp1200 I feel that you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper with every post you post. If you would like to continue being a part of this forum, I suggest you "swallow your pride" (if that's the issue). This post isn't at all intented to be mean or hating on you and I don't want to push you out, or have you feel that your not wanted but if you continue to post the things you are posting, you will push yourself out.

I think your a neat fellow...and would like to see you continue with this forum, so this is just meant as a "heads up".

Please don't take this the wrong way!

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I'm not going to migrate to another forum and neither should I.

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That sentence cracks me up. Multiple personalities? Just kidding! I hope everything works out for you. Deals like that are rare, but who knows? Maybe you got lucky :)

I apologize for the second to last post...about the negativety..it actually was somewhat positive warning me of possibillities....I basically just wanted to say once or twice was enough on it....

THank you,

Now I'm done....

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Not only that, but how would you know what's sitting in my inbox. Obviously you aren't a mod or part of admin. So that just goes to show how REALLY sad this is. I posted a thread about how I was happy that I got a good deal. And I did. WHy must it come so far as to mods going thru pm's which are suppose to be private but because it involves you and prices everything is brought to your attention.

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No one is going through your PM's ... people that don't like me on this site are just that predictable ... I bluffed and it appears to have worked ... pretty smart eh? :P ... I'm just cool like that :carrot: ... Like I said, those people are soooo clueless that they're predictable ... I bet I could name them ... well at least one or two ... LMAO!

-adam

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I have no idea about Bob's history nor do I care about his past or if he cheats on his wife! What I do know, is he sold me a great snake which now I have confirmed that is in fact what I wanted. I can have Bob come on this site if you like and deal with your accusations himself, but I will not speak to that as it is non of my business.



Guys, here is the deal!

IMO, I got a great deal on a snake that I am really happy with and wanted to share here on this site. If this is not the site for this type of discussion unless you buy your snakes from some approved breeder list that all of you approve, please direct me to a forum that will not harass for my purchases!

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O my god i can not beleive once again you have missed the point here! No one is questioning Bobs ability to probe snakes or if he is faithfull to his wife:rolleyes: .If you feel you received a great deal on your snakes great for you.This thread is a waste of space on this site:P .You know this thread reminds me of another one that ended the same as this one is.Lets see "my freind who has been into reptiles 30+ yrs said its ok to keep two snakes together" anyone agree;) .I should let you know that Walmart is having a sale on cases of Vaselin.Now i will end this with a Have a Nice Day to All:D .

*Sigh* Pride isn't the issue. And I'm not digging my self into a hole... I Just wanted to express my happiness in my purchase. It was a rare one and a gamble at that but it turned out to be a positive one. thank you susan for thinking I am a neat fellow and I appreciate the comment. To everyone else I am aware of prices and possibilities and you have made it clear to me as far as the scammers and tricks people will/try to pull. I just don't understand why Just because I post a thread about a deal that I got WWIII starts up....

I didn't say that people were questioning his probing skills and as far as this thread being a waste of space...whatever. I just wanted to express my happiness on a purchase...I have proven what I got was for real and I'm happy about it. I'm just curiouse as to why people have to make this whole situation such a big deal...seriously? I got a good deal I was happy about it...Thats all

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Mainly because whenever there is a price involved and it's lower than you or someone else I get heat.

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Tinkle, catch a clue ... I don't even sell adult female ball pythons ... EVER! ... so how could it be about the price that you paid for that girl ... heck, I've paid $150 for adult normal girls, but the difference is that I have the experience to tell junk from quality .... and not from some snake in kept in the 5th grade ... you've let those idiots get all into your head and twist you up ... your best move at this point would really to ignore them. At one point I was really trying to help you ... still will if you need it ... if you don't like what I have to say, ignore it ... it doesn't get any easier than that.

Ya know, there's two ways to conduct yourself when people don't agree with you, but you think or know you're right ... one is with class ... and the other ... well, you've got that one covered.

And for whatever it's worth ... 90% of those people out there screaming about what great deals they are getting are PM'ing me and Emailing me for advice and with questions ... and I give it, as much as they need regardless of who they support or what they feel is fair price for an animal ... I know what's what and I save every PM, ever email ... If I'm so twisted up about prices like you say, why do I even bother to help? .... You're being lied to and it's not by me.

-adam

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Not only that, but how would you know what's sitting in my inbox. Obviously you aren't a mod or part of admin. So that just goes to show how REALLY sad this is. I posted a thread about how I was happy that I got a good deal. And I did. WHy must it come so far as to mods going thru pm's which are suppose to be private but because it involves you and prices everything is brought to your attention.

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Wow are you unable to notice when someone is JOKING? Adam never once said someone has checked your message box and we know what your messages are :rolleyes: .I would like to know if someone could place a lock on this thread or it will never end? I myself will not be posting anymore responses on this thread.Its very obvious its a lost cause.

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*Sigh* Pride isn't the issue. And I'm not digging my self into a hole... I Just wanted to express my happiness in my purchase. It was a rare one and a gamble at that but it turned out to be a positive one. thank you susan for thinking I am a neat fellow and I appreciate the comment. To everyone else I am aware of prices and possibilities and you have made it clear to me as far as the scammers and tricks people will/try to pull. I just don't understand why Just because I post a thread about a deal that I got WWIII starts up....

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Well basically what I meant by digging your self into a hole, is I don't want to see you continue to post and say the wrong thing and have people dislike you. The people on this forum are very knowledgable and give great advice. Because eventually you'll turn to this forum for help.

This is senseless escalation from the original post.

Is everyone having THAT slow of a day?


Why don't we ALL step back and breathe.

THis needs to be pointed out.

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And I did. WHy must it come so far as to mods going thru pm's which are suppose to be private but because it involves you and prices everything is brought to your attention.

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Mods and admins cannot access your PM's.

Making that kind of BASELESS accusation is idiotic.