Gecko Keepers Beware?

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

what a terrible video.

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You can say that again...

he is CLEARLY a car salesman

WHAT!?! 299 DOWN! 299 A MONTH FOR 4 MONTHS THATS UNBELIEVEABLE!

spare me.

What in the world!
Yeah I'd say thse people are the new "puppy mill" of the reptile world!

That video was HORRIBLE!

I know huh!

I don't know if anyone noticed but NERD has Spider's starting 1,000 dollar's. This whole priceing debate is what I least like about the ball python hobby. I paid 1,500 for my albino and I know I won't be selling my babie's for that amount and I'm fine with that reality. I can't tell you how many albino's I saw in daytona for 1,200 on saturday and I'll tell you this even the biggest baddest breeder's were selling their morph's for almost half the market price on sunday. Now tell me what the difference is between shipping a Bp or buying it at daytona on sunday when they are unloading them.

Joes responses really making me like him less than I already did.
All about the money. Who cares about everyone else. He'll dump x amount of animals on the market to ruin you. No one matters but him and how much he makes. Pathetic.

People buy from MKR because of lower prices. Look at the entire deal. I would gladly pay more for an animal to a person I respect and who cares about the customer and the animals.

MKR obviously does not care about the animals or the customers but only how much money he can make.

I can tell you, I paid a lot more for some of my animals only a month or 2 before all this MKR garbage started. Am I upset? A little since it cost me more but I am glad that it wasn't MKR that got the money from me and I know the animals I bought were not mass produced.

I will never buy from them. The attitude of the person doing the selling matters just as much as the price of the animal to me.

SPJ, watch the video.

One of the last things done is Wes is talking and he comes running in the scene "hey wait wait hey hey! I just closed a deal for 21,000 dollars *high five*"

and you say it's not about the money?

Joe, this is not a car dealership.

I didn't like the video either it was way over the top.

I started watching it. Got disgusted.

If this is what you have to be or turn into to be "on top", I will always stay small. I pair specific animals to try and produce top quality offspring.
I think his whole attitude is terrible. Mass produce and ship them out.
How can you truly care about the animals or the parings you do, if you are mass producing?

Joe from MKR has lost it.
He is going to put Ed Clark, Jasballs, Ian, and NERD out of business.:rolleye2:

This guy really has some issues. His postings are so self-absorbed it's pathetic.


It's like listening to a little kid.
I'm gonna do this, I have this, I'm better than you.
What a tool.

I agree with Robin I wouldn't buy one of those clown's. The example she set was right on.

Sorry about the link!! Thanks for removing it.:)

I don't know any of the history of this guy NOR did I watch the video NOR did I read the BOI....

But I have to observations/questions...

1) if this guy is all about the money, why is he dumping snakes on the cheap? wouldn't he benefit from keeping prices high? Thus making more money?

2) Everyone says that they would pay more money for a quality snake. I have no doubt that individuals here would spend more for quality. But the general population has disproved this theory on a mass scale. Wal-mart has put alot of small retailers out of business for low prices. Society would prefer low low prices instead of customer service, knowledgeable staff or quality goods. Wouldn't this apply to the NOOB when they are shopping for snakes?

Anyway...just some observations from someone with NO understanding of the history on this topic.:lurk:

There wuill be more vids.....:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by PipeDADDY

I don't know any of the history of this guy NOR did I watch the video NOR did I read the BOI....

But I have to observations/questions...

1) if this guy is all about the money, why is he dumping snakes on the cheap? wouldn't he benefit from keeping prices high? Thus making more money?

2) Everyone says that they would pay more money for a quality snake. I have no doubt that individuals here would spend more for quality. But the general population has disproved this theory on a mass scale. Wal-mart has put alot of small retailers out of business for low prices. Society would prefer low low prices instead of customer service, knowledgeable staff or quality goods. Wouldn't this apply to the NOOB when they are shopping for snakes?

Anyway...just some observations from someone with NO understanding of the history on this topic.:lurk:

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It all began with MKR dumping 50 mojaves and 50 lessers on the market at extremely reduced prices a week before Daytona.
They have a problem with some of the bigger breeders and are trying to hurt them in the wallet.
The whole giving back to the customer is a smokescreen.
They want nothing more than to get back at a few select breeders by mass producing and undercutting in price.
There is a lot of behind the scenes things that involve Bob Clark, Mike Wilbanks, Ralph Davis, MKR, prices and the fire project.
It all just happened to spill out publicly.
MKR cannot even advertise on KS anymore because they burned so many bridges over the past few months.

I have no problem with prices coming down. That is to be expected but the way MKR went about it and the fact they they threaten to ruin others in the future by dumping more animals just makes me not want to have any dealings with them no matter how cheap they are.

MKR is nothing more than a snake mill churning out as many offspring as they possible can hoping to cause damage to specific breeders in the process as well as make as much as they can by undercutting everyone.

Supposedly they have a huge lucy project in the works that will be dumped next year to get back at 2 certain individuals. If this is true, expect to see many lucys for sale at a fraction of the price they are today.

I don't know what was worse Joe's sense of humor and car salesman additude, or Wes' mega cameltoe. :P

GUH! Glad I didn't watch to much of that to see that part on Wes...
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Originally Posted by JBallPython

I don't know what was worse Joe's sense of humor and car salesman additude, or Wes' mega cameltoe. :P

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wow!, i just watched the vid. it didn't leave me with a good impression. very poor quality vid, not well rehearsed or professional imo. for a company that claims to make so money from sales, they could have produced a better video! telling you in one sentence "they are for the people" and telling you later "i will under cut you" just doesn't make me want to send my hard earned money to them. it is true that walmart sells alot of "product". how many people have had a bad expierence or poor customer service at a walmart? hmm


support breeders who support you and your goals:D


vaughn

I didnt get to see the video darn it :mad:

You didnt miss much!

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

I didnt get to see the video darn it :mad:

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I stopped reading the thread on fauna because Joe is giving me a headache with all his mumble garbage.Majority of his posts make no sense:rolleyes: .I think someone should send him a bottle of prozac as its obvious he has some mental condition and is not taking his meds.I have a suggestion,could we just let this thread die and not post anymore? Why should we bring our community down to Joes level by speaking of him here? If everyone agrees with me please do not post and let this thread vanish.:cool:

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Originally Posted by emilio

I don't know if anyone noticed but NERD has Spider's starting 1,000 dollar's. This whole priceing debate is what I least like about the ball python hobby. I paid 1,500 for my albino and I know I won't be selling my babie's for that amount and I'm fine with that reality. I can't tell you how many albino's I saw in daytona for 1,200 on saturday and I'll tell you this even the biggest baddest breeder's were selling their morph's for almost half the market price on sunday. Now tell me what the difference is between shipping a Bp or buying it at daytona on sunday when they are unloading them.

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The difference is how business is being conducted Emilio! Were people intentionally selling the animals at Daytona in order to hurt others businesses? There is nothing wrong with lowering prices......EVERYTHING is wrong with the MKRs sales mentality and they are spreading it across the reptile industry like a plague...lets mass produce so we can get the animals out at 'puppy mill prices'.....trying to sell animals like cars is just wrong.....They are also trying to drive people out of this business because of personal issues. Is that the kinda people that you want to buy from? If so, you better hope you never step on their toes because they will turn on you in a heartbeat and will sell any of their customers out for money without hesitation.

If all other breeders lowered their prices to what MKRs is currently selling for.....MKRs would be out of business because the quality that non-mass-producers can offer is by far superior. Why would you buy from them for any reason other than because their animals are cheaper than everyone elses?

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

If all other breeders lowered their prices to what MKRs is currently selling for.....MKRs would be out of business because the quality that non-mass-producers can offer is by far superior.

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Not according to his video. If everyone lowered their price below his, he would lower the cost of his "product" to undercut everyone.

As it has been said, he is the Wal-mart of the reptile industry. He has the potential to put a lot of hard working people out of business, all for love of money. Will he be successful? most likely so, because people are always on the look out for the cheapest, best looking snake, even if it means going through crappy service to save a few hundred bucks.

It's his attitude towards everything that just pisses me off. geez.

Does anyone even know who this Joe Capone person is for sure? I read through his posts over at the other site, he claims to have a tv show and yada yada yada... yet I could not find one listing for a tv show with this guy in it, heck, I googled his name out of OK, and still came up with nothing..but old info on the actual gangster Capone....

Is this his real name? (Joe Capone)

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

Does anyone even know who this Joe Capone person is for sure? I read through his posts over at the other site, he claims to have a tv show and yada yada yada... yet I could not find one listing for a tv show with this guy in it, heck, I googled his name out of OK, and still came up with nothing..but old info on the actual gangster Capone....

Is this his real name? (Joe Capone)

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Joe Capone is one half of Morph King Reptiles. A weasely former car salesman that wants to put everyone out of business in the Ball Python world and now is threatening to do the same with Leopard Geckos. Egomaniac, lunatic, god complex. Yeah, that about describes him.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Joe Capone is one half of Morph King Reptiles. A weasely former car salesman that wants to put everyone out of business in the Ball Python world and now is threatening to do the same with Leopard Geckos. Egomaniac, lunatic, god complex. Yeah, that about describes him.

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But, is Joe Capone his real name? Does he really have a tv show? I know goofy question, but since he brought it up, I am curious as to why someone who supposedly has a tv show would talk like he does muchless treat others as he has demonstrated as of now.

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

Does anyone even know who this Joe Capone person is for sure? I read through his posts over at the other site, he claims to have a tv show and yada yada yada... yet I could not find one listing for a tv show with this guy in it, heck, I googled his name out of OK, and still came up with nothing..but old info on the actual gangster Capone....

Is this his real name? (Joe Capone)

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The tv show is on another forum. It's more of a "web T.V. show"

I just wonder why ed clark couldn't take his insults to PM with mr. Capone instead of hijacking his thread. THE GUY GOT RIPPED OFF 10 THOUSAND DOLLARS and all you did was sit there and argue with him about his morals and whatnot. And if I am not mistaken, you were the one that was happy about him getting ripped off.

"joe, so happy to see that you got screwed for 10 k."

I will never do business with a person who is happy someone got screwed for EVEN 1k. Let alone 10k.

I mean, I know this is the one and only chance to talk to him about it, but a PM would have been better.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

The tv show is on another forum. It's more of a "web T.V. show"

I just wonder why ed clark couldn't take his insults to PM with mr. Capone instead of hijacking his thread. THE GUY GOT RIPPED OFF 10 THOUSAND DOLLARS and all you did was sit there and argue with him about his morals and whatnot. And if I am not mistaken, you were the one that was happy about him getting ripped off.

"joe, so happy to see that you got screwed for 10 k."

I will never do business with a person who is happy someone got screwed for EVEN 1k. Let alone 10k.

I mean, I know this is the one and only chance to talk to him about it, but a PM would have been better.

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Yet you would do business with Joe who openly states that he will put people's companies out of business? Can you explain that to me because I am having trouble with that logic?

It just seems to me that not feeling sorry for someone because they lost 10k and trying to take away someone's ability to earn a living are BOTH horrible things to do. Why should they be treated differently?

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Yet you would do business with Joe who openly states that he will put people's companies out of business? Can you explain that to me because I am having trouble with that logic?

It just seems to me that not feeling sorry for someone because they lost 10k and trying to take away someone's ability to earn a living are BOTH horrible things to do. Why should they be treated differently?

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Do you mind showing me anywhere on that thread where he says he wants to put people out of business??? I searched on that thread for " out of business" and it filtered my results to just "business".

Ok, here's my last commnet on this... I'm am not replying to this anymore...

I hope he gets his money back, just as I would with anyone else in this industry getting ripped off by thiefs who do not send what is paid for....

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Do you mind showing me anywhere on that thread where he says he wants to put people out of business??? I searched on that thread for " out of business" and it filtered my results to just "business".

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He did not say 'out of business' in so little words.....search middle man or Ian and see what happens :)

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Do you mind showing me anywhere on that thread where he says he wants to put people out of business???

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these are just a few of the comments he has made....

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am squeezing thier providers because they can't make a living now becasue I am giving you great deals

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I am loading up my barrels and am going to poing them at Ian I will dump 150 snakes at once on him and ruin him. That is right I an it is going to happen so start looking over yoyur shoulder and your boys including Trey now

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That is right. You are done friend.

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This is one of his more disturbing comments...

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I MAKE MILLIONS IN SNAKES UNLIKE YOU. PEOPLE WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH WINNERS NOT LOSERS LIKE YOURSELF. YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR 1 MILLION IN SALES IN 20 DAYS. BUT WE MAKE OUR PRODUCT UNLIKE YOU.

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The truth is I am refreshing that page every 5 minutes to see what nonsence he will post next. I'm attached to it like a magnet.

I think he's got issues that need to be addressed and not buried.

he is talking about his next show that will be released and he will be bashing every one that has something negative to say...extremely poor business practices IMO. I think newbies need to be made aware of what he is doing. :2cent:

After reading the thread on the BOI, watching the ego ridden MKR-TV nonsense, I would never support MKR with my dollars. It's clear Joe cares about one thing, and one thing only - $$$. He doesn't care about his customers, just his goal of $1M in 20 days. Good luck to him, because I for one won't be helping him reach his goals.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

After reading the thread on the BOI, watching the ego ridden MKR-TV nonsense, I would never support MKR with my dollars. It's clear Joe cares about one thing, and one thing only - $$$. He doesn't care about his customers, just his goal of $1M in 20 days. Good luck to him, because I for one won't be helping him reach his goals.

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BP KID Shaun, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.


But do your research before you form those opinions. joe capone is a mentally disturbed man, with the thoughts of putting all ball python and now all gecko breeders out of business.

If you have decieded that you never want to purchase anything from me. because I disagree with joe capones business practices, and just about every thing else he stands for, thats ok.

His first reply to anyone that challenges him is he is a millionaire and he will put you out of business. well, I challenge him and he will not put me out of business. you see there is a very strong market for quality ball pythons, everyone is not looking for the cheapest price.all I really see coming from MKR is inferior inbreed genetically weak cheap ball python hatchlings. if thats what you want to start your collection with. good luck

You should also consider experience, joe capone knew nothing about ball pythons prior to 2002, I have been keeping and breeding balls since 1985.

I have used some words on fauna that im not proud of. but thats a tought crowd over there and you some times need to assert yourself in a different way. :salute:

not that i even begin to know a lot of what is going on in this thread but i would like to say one thing.

as a consumer i am very specific about where i spend my money. i look at it as "paying someone's wage" or "paying someone's lease to keep them in business" - so... you seldom find me in walmart or shopping at chapter's bookstores. i prefer to support people - and when i go into a small pet store, locally owned and operated and see the quality they have in product and employees... then i take my business to that store. yes i can get it cheaper somewhere else... but i believe in putting my money where the service, knowledge and quality is.

when we go out to restaurants... if we like the owners, like the employees, then we go there. if we love the food but don't like the "business" then we dont' go there. simple.

it's not always thrifty to live this way... but i can tell you... i feel good about feeding the 12 cent crickets to my tarantulas (which come from the local pet store) instead of the 7 cents crickets from petcetera.

and that "good spending karma" i'm building up... makes me proud!

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All I have to say about MKR is, Karma. They seemed to forget about those people who paid top dollar to them last year for Lessers, and Mojaves from them...undercutting prices like Walmart and leaving their old customers high and dry...sheesh. I know a lot of people have lost a bit of money on morphs due to market price changes...but it just shows you that with businesses like MKR you get what you pay for, poor customer loyalty, and a used car salesmen salespitch. "Top producer of BPs in the World"...really? I would say top infomercial snake sellers in the biz....wait, wait. The Only Informercial Ball Python sellers in the biz.

Never Getting my business. Wes, buy some bigger shorts with that 1 mil in 20 days you want, and Joe buy a better personality.

I have no connection to this issue, however I am somewhat enthralled by all this. The thing that keeps coming into my mind is if he is successful at putting all the other big boys out of business, he will be successful in putting all the little guys up sh*** creek. So if he does that will he not in a sense have a monopoly? After all, this is an industry from a governmental standpoint, so couldn't he be running into legal issues if his plan succeeds?

I would have to say, I would LOVE to be able to buy animals at the prices that they have them at, however (like it has already been said), his unethical business practices will make me never buy from him. Not to mention that is just being a straight jackass on the BOI, all those typos from an industry leader? You would think he would be working his ass off to sound as professional as possible. He will get his if he crashes the market hard enough.

Frankly, I don't like the way he treats his customers...

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750K worth of people in 15 weeks bought from us

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He is just looking at his customers as numbers, not people with breeding plans and dreams of their own. After reading his posts I can honestly say this is a man I despise.

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Apparently even Wes feels he needs his meds:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/5/3/derr.gif

lololol

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

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Apparently even Wes feels he needs his meds:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/5/3/derr.gif

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LMFAO!! That was Great Nate..

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

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Apparently even Wes feels he needs his meds:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/5/3/derr.gif

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LMAO!!!!:8:

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

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Apparently even Wes feels he needs his meds:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/5/3/derr.gif

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Nate,thanks for the laughs :8: :8: :8: :P

I can't believe I have read this WHOLE thread. I am soooo bored. All I know is I love ball pythons and am happy to have gained the knowledge so I can successfully keep them, thanks to everyone here!!!! But when I breed next year for the FUN, I will probably sell the babies cheaper than the market. I don't think joe crapone will beat albinos at 50 cents :groinkick What Joe? I'll be a tendollaraire in 20 days...........Yes, I will be able to buy my dream guitar strings!

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Originally Posted by mmchoppers

I can't believe I have read this WHOLE thread. I am soooo bored. All I know is I love ball pythons and am happy to have gained the knowledge so I can successfully keep them, thanks to everyone here!!!! But when I breed next year for the FUN, I will probably sell the babies cheaper than the market. I don't think joe crapone will beat albinos at 50 cents :groinkick What Joe? I'll be a tendollaraire in 20 days...........Yes, I will be able to buy my dream guitar strings!

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If you're really that bored go to fauna and read some of those 500 page threads.:rolleyes:

What's your reasoning on selling babies cheaper than market? Why wouldn't you want to get market prices for your snakes when you easily could...and if they don't sell as babies, hold onto them then they are just worth more as sub-adults or adults.

BTW, how do you plan on breeding your single unsexed ball python?

......KS misses you.

-Jason

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Originally Posted by mmchoppers

I can't believe I have read this WHOLE thread. I am soooo bored. All I know is I love ball pythons and am happy to have gained the knowledge so I can successfully keep them, thanks to everyone here!!!! But when I breed next year for the FUN, I will probably sell the babies cheaper than the market. I don't think joe crapone will beat albinos at 50 cents :groinkick What Joe? I'll be a tendollaraire in 20 days...........Yes, I will be able to buy my dream guitar strings!

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Please do not think i am being rude here :) .If you do infact sell your albinos at the 50 cents you say.You will be in the same class as MKR :mad: .I hope you where just joking here.Just a heads up info ,you posting this even if its a joke you have treaded into dangerous waters.Like i said i am not being rude here just giving you some info.:cool:

yyyeah that's gotta be a joke. Who would put months into breeding, incubating, feeding, care, and all that work and then turn around and sell thousand dollar snakes for half a buck?

Are you afraid that because you're not known that noone will buy from you? so you are going to mark the prices down below what they're selling for just to sell them? come on...if you provide enough information about the animal, plenty of pics, feeding charts, etc...then people will buy at market price.

I could see the prices dropping from 1200 to 1100 or 1000...but if you are just trying to dump them and put them up on fauna or ks for 500 bucks, that's a low blow and an MKR move.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

yyyeah that's gotta be a joke. Who would put months into breeding, incubating, feeding, care, and all that work and then turn around and sell thousand dollar snakes for half a buck?

Are you afraid that because you're not known that noone will buy from you? so you are going to mark the prices down below what they're selling for just to sell them? come on...if you provide enough information about the animal, plenty of pics, feeding charts, etc...then people will buy at market price.

I could see the prices dropping from 1200 to 1100 or 1000...but if you are just trying to dump them and put them up on fauna or ks for 500 bucks, that's a low blow and an MKR move.

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Nate, to answer your first paragraph just insert 3 letters here _ _ _ :P .I will give you a hint its 2 words back from the beggining of the start of my response.

hahaha :carrot:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Please do not think i am being rude here :) .If you do infact sell your albinos at the 50 cents you say.You will be in the same class as MKR :mad: .I hope you where just joking here.Just a heads up info ,you posting this even if its a joke you have treaded into dangerous waters.Like i said i am not being rude here just giving you some info.:cool:

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haha, I think gulable is written on your ceiling, is it there???