Mojave prices

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Ooh- and ssscales, I ment to note that i do agree with what you said and you know, for the people that don't do research and screw up and buy from him.. well. good luck to him..

I just have this problem guys, i dont know why but when i think of business i generally think of how i would do things and i have this CRAZY habit of mixing ethics and morals with business. Its a habit. Sorry. So if you see me talking about business, just know i mean the peachy-keen kind where I dont screw people over for a buck. That's what i consider good business in the most optimal condition.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I can't wait till you get out in the 'Real Business World'.......

On a side note, I really wish this site showed the age of the posters.....

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Originally Posted by jbkd

Don't take this the wrong way, but I can't wait till you get out in the 'Real Business World'.......

On a side note, I really wish this site showed the age of the posters.....

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psst...we all have user profiles...

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Originally Posted by sho220

psst...we all have user profiles...

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That's to much work for us old folks......LOL

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Originally Posted by jbkd

That's to much work for us old folks......LOL

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Old? What does that make me? Ancient? ;)

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Has anyone compared a leucistic from a Fireball with that of a Mojave? I know both of them aren't pure white, but I wonder which one is cleaner? Either way, the price difference still blows me away: Mojaves for $1,000 and Fires for $5-7,000? If I wanted black eyes that bad, I'd get some mini-contacts made. :P

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The black eyed leucistic(super form of Fire) is a clean WHITE snake, totally different from the Mojave type that features a grayish head :gj:

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Originally Posted by cueball

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The black eyed leucistic(super form of Fire) is a clean WHITE snake, totally different from the Mojave type that features a grayish head :gj:

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Have you seen one, Cue? I've read from several sources including the guy that bred the first one (Eric Davies) that there are blotches of yellow on it. The cleanest white snake I've heard of was from a Lesser, but unfortunately I haven't seen even ONE leucistic in person. :(

Ok, this is a direct quote from Wes, on another site.

"For me it's all about having a great collection and making new things. My company doesn't do Reptile Shows partly because of the risk of disease and partly because of stress to the Pythons and the keepers LOL so one thing we do is keep our overhead low and prices realistic to the supply and demand.
Lower prices mean more people can get into the game and they have less risk of loss. Simple recessive morphs will always be high co-doms will go down like Boa's and Retics, do to the large number produced we all will need lots of co-doms to mix with Simple recessives to make new things. I have 507 eggs in the incubator and more clutches coming so I would think other breeders do as well . Here is a pic of the first Super Mojave Ball Python ever produced at Morph King Reptiles in 2004."

Then he showed a cool pic.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Ok, this is a direct quote from Wes, on another site.

"For me it's all about having a great collection and making new things. My company doesn't do Reptile Shows partly because of the risk of disease and partly because of stress to the Pythons and the keepers LOL so one thing we do is keep our overhead low and prices realistic to the supply and demand.
Lower prices mean more people can get into the game and they have less risk of loss. Simple recessive morphs will always be high co-doms will go down like Boa's and Retics, do to the large number produced we all will need lots of co-doms to mix with Simple recessives to make new things. I have 507 eggs in the incubator and more clutches coming so I would think other breeders do as well . Here is a pic of the first Super Mojave Ball Python ever produced at Morph King Reptiles in 2004."

Then he showed a cool pic.

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Saying and doing are two different things, I also believe they are signed up for a tables at Daytona. Plus Joe is the one doing the selling and Wes does the breeding from what I understand.

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

Saying and doing are two different things, I also believe they are signed up for a tables at Daytona. Plus Joe is the one doing the selling and Wes does the breeding from what I understand.

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I didn't see them on the vendor list...did see MK Reptiles, but I don't think they are the same...

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Originally Posted by sho220

I didn't see them on the vendor list...did see MK Reptiles, but I don't think they are the same...

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Who is it then?

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

Who is it then?

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Don't know??? Looks like all the other vendors are listed with full names...not sure why they would abbreviate this one...Did a google search for MK Reptiles but didn't find anything. Now that I think about it...would be hard for a used car salesman to pass up such a spectacle as the Daytona Expo!

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Ok, this is a direct quote from Wes, on another site.

"For me it's all about having a great collection and making new things. My company doesn't do Reptile Shows partly because of the risk of disease and partly because of stress to the Pythons and the keepers LOL so one thing we do is keep our overhead low and prices realistic to the supply and demand.
Lower prices mean more people can get into the game and they have less risk of loss. Simple recessive morphs will always be high co-doms will go down like Boa's and Retics, do to the large number produced we all will need lots of co-doms to mix with Simple recessives to make new things. I have 507 eggs in the incubator and more clutches coming so I would think other breeders do as well . Here is a pic of the first Super Mojave Ball Python ever produced at Morph King Reptiles in 2004."

Then he showed a cool pic.

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Andre this is nothing towards you at all.I found out just now Wes from MKR is a new moderator for repti auctions herp forums(ball pythons to be exact).If you go to the auction home page then click on forums you can go speak to Wes and ask all your questions on the open forum.Of course you have to use nice words or he can ban you ;) .

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Originally Posted by sho220

Don't know??? Looks like all the other vendors are listed with full names...not sure why they would abbreviate this one...Did a google search for MK Reptiles but didn't find anything. Now that I think about it...would be hard for a used car salesman to pass up such a spectacle as the Daytona Expo!

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Wes states they do not attend shows for numerous reasons ie bugs,stress on the reptiles and them :rolleyes: .

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Andre this is nothing towards you at all.I found out just now Wes from MKR is a new moderator for repti auctions herp forums(ball pythons to be exact).If you go to the auction home page then click on forums you can go speak to Wes and ask all your questions on the open forum.Of course you have to use nice words or he can ban you ;) .

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That's where I got the quote from. Reptileforums.com
Someone mentioned the cheap prices and he replyed with this.

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

Who is it then?

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That's Mike King from Mass.

-adam

Listen to BPkids advice and read what Wes had to say this evening. I am not starting trouble or reposting his post from 7:02pm tonight. It is interesting to read though.

-Danny

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Have you seen one, Cue? I've read from several sources including the guy that bred the first one (Eric Davies) that there are blotches of yellow on it. The cleanest white snake I've heard of was from a Lesser, but unfortunately I haven't seen even ONE leucistic in person. :(

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Seen one, held one and bought the hets to make one :D Some come out with a few yellow scales that go away after time. Once you seen a super fire next to other super leucistics in person you will be able to see the difference for sure :gj: Super Lessers are very white also, crisper in a way. Very nice!

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Wes states they do not attend shows for numerous reasons ie bugs,stress on the reptiles and them :rolleyes: .

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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cueball

Seen one, held one and bought the hets to make one :D Some come out with a few yellow scales that go away after time. Once you seen a super fire next to other super leucistics in person you will be able to see the difference for sure :gj: Super Lessers are very white also, crisper in a way. Very nice!

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Cool, thanks for the info. It would be nice if some money-bags could get all of the white snakes together for a group photo shoot, but that probably wouldn't be very good for a lot of the hets that make them. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

That's Mike King from Mass.

-adam

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Thanks Adam!!!!

Hmmm, he's saying that he thinks the mojaves are beautiful. joepythons, did Wes or Joe tell you about the Mojaves being ugly?

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Hmmm, he's saying that he thinks the mojaves are beautiful. joepythons, did Wes or Joe tell you about the Mojaves being ugly?

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When I read that statement it seems he is talking about mojaves in general and not the ones he is selling. Then he posts a pic of his super and no pic of the standard mojave. :confused:

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Hmmm, he's saying that he thinks the mojaves are beautiful. joepythons, did Wes or Joe tell you about the Mojaves being ugly?

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I read it on Ralph Davis forum in one of the threads.Itried finding it again and was unable to find it.I wonder now if it was someone telling a lie,and they deleted it.

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

When I read that statement it seems he is talking about mojaves in general and not the ones he is selling. Then he posts a pic of his super and no pic of the standard mojave. :confused:

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I noticed this also :confuzd: