pics of drake!

Well he'll almost certainly get bigger than he is now.. he's just a baby.. he's got that baby face still. Realistically expect 5' or more.. I've heard of some that stay real small, but my girl is 6' and I've seen bigger pure hoggies.

Still.. they're not a dangerous snake.. and your guy will settle down with age and handling.

that's nice to hear :) i just want to get the p.a.m. and treat his mites... and get him into a bigger enclosure and start loving him! (with adult supervision in case i get scared again LOL)

i've heard from gus (in the link i posted) and he was very helpful. first and foremost he said that often times, people who do cross breed sell off their most 'hoggie looking' snakes to another breeder as a true hoggie and it can be very hard to tell the difference when they are young... but they show up in the babies they produce. so... my breeder probably got a hoggie which he believed to be true and so, in gus' opinion, my breeder was most likely a victim of this as well.

he also says that there is a lot of variety in hoggies, including a very dirty-brown look and most everything in between to a light silvery boa.

and he shares the opinion that drake does display a lot of the characteristics of a Hog Island X Colombian (or CA) intergrade and he agrees it probably is one.

His final comment was "That is a pretty snake whatever it actually is." :wuv:

so... i'll just continue to love and raise him... and never ever even consider breeding him even if asked by someone. the cross stops here!

i haven't heard from my breeder yet but i'm sure i will. it's always hard to get ahold of him... even when you are coming out to buy something LOL

The only problem I would see is if the breeder sold him as a pure Hog Island and knew he wasn't (which if he produced him, he would have known). Do you mind me asking how much you paid for him? If I am being nosy let me know. There should be a big price difference between a pure and a cross. Pure Hog Island Boas go from around $200 for what a breeder might consider "a not very pretty" Hoggie to $500 for super reduced pattern ones. Regardless of the situation, he is very pretty and will be a wonderful snake for you! I just like to know that I got what I paid for... :)

well that's kinda my situation. i've heard from the breeder. he says he didn't breed him but he knows for certain that he is 100% hog island boa... no cross. so i've asked him for the lineage cause if he is a true hog... i'd like to be able to prove it ;)

i paid $300 - he was listed at $375.

and don't forget i'm in canada eh!

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well that's kinda my situation. i've heard from the breeder. he says he didn't breed him but he knows for certain that he is 100% hog island boa... no cross. so i've asked him for the lineage cause if he is a true hog... i'd like to be able to prove it ;)

i paid $300 - he was listed at $375.

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So $300 Canadian (eh) is about $270 US. That is without a doubt Pure Hog pricing in my opinion. I'd be interested to see what he comes back with on the lineage.

absolutely... i paid for a pure hog... and was told before i bought him that he was. i asked if he was nice and orange and he told me that depending on the time of day... his colours changed a lot. i personally haven't seen any colour changes to orange since i got him. but... in fairness... i'm sure the breeder wasn't down there checking for colour variences either.

i loooove drake, don't get me wrong... but i really did want the orange tail... as the light face of your hog jamie... and the orange tail is what i fell in love with! it was the pic of your hoggies face that made me decide to get one heehee

well... i've heard from the breeder ...

"Both parents look like hogs, that's as much as I know about them. I admit he is an unusual looking hog, when I first saw him he stood out from the rest of the litter, that's why I bought him in the first place. Is it possible that somewhere along the line one of the parents has some Columbian blood, maybe, who knows? It certainly didn't look like it..."

i just wish he'd been honest from the start. :rainon: when i first inquired about him being pure, if he had said, "to the best of my knowledge, yes he is" that would have been fine for me and i wouldn't be upset... but having him say he's 100% hog and now saying he's not sure... that doesn't feel fair to me.

oh well... he's still a gorgeous snake! :wuv:

one more thing... if you are in canada and are planning on buying a snake from a breeder in british columbia... please feel free to pm or email me and i'll let you know who this breeder is.

bottom line: he guaranteed me 100% that drake was pure and kept saying that until his last email where he admited he really didn't know if he was or not - so what he guarantees cannot be taken as fact :( and you need to treat for mites (as drake came with mites but i wasn't told about them until i contacted him and told him - his response was that he knew about his 'ongoing mite problem' but didn't think they would have affected my snake.)

i hope this post is taken as a willingness to share my experience and not an attempt to bash the breeder. i love the ball python i purchased from him last year... but i certainly won't ever buy from him again.

It would be frustrating. But at least you know now. And it doesn't matter... cuz Drake is a sweetie!


Hog crosses can be a lot of fun. I know a family that has two---the mother has one and the daughter has one. The mother's cross has the typical Hoggie attitude, hissy as all get out when she's eating... thinks she's hot stuff. But Fish, the daughter's cross, is a total sweetheart, no matter the time of day. And their colors are so variable, too. :)

I'd love to see some pics if you have any???

This is Briza... belongs to Amber, the mom:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...le02/Briza.jpg

And this is Fish, belongs to her daughter:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ple02/Fish.jpg

Both of these little girls look more like Columbians. But here's something different: Clay English has these two up for sale right now. They're Hog by Pastel Columbian:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...astelxhog2.jpg

And the super red:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...pastelxhog.jpg
As you can see, they range from looking like normal Redtails, to looking very orange, very Hog-ish :)

i don't know proper terms but... the design on their bodies look just like my lovey drake! very defined.

is that what you mean by looking columbian? and are those patterns called saddles?

Yeah, the patterns are called saddles.


I say they look more Columbian, because Columbians usually have well-defined, brownish saddles, silver/brown bodies (silver as babies, brown as adults) and bright red tails (at least, when they're younger... most Columbians' tails turn darker as they age). Hoggies typically have lighter saddles and are usually more orange/yellow.

Columbian baby/adult comparison (Sev and Kinkers):
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...v/000_0377.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...v/000_0367.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...v/000_0064.jpg

And others have shown pics of their hoggies.

yup sev looks just like drake! so now i understand what you all mean... i wasn't sure what you were talking about before... LOL... thanks for explaining it!

well all the email conversations with my breeder have finished. he's refunding me $100 to cover the cost of drake's mites and to reduce the cost further :colbert: due to him being a cross... i got a deal on him to begin with so in all i paid approx $150-175 less because of him being a cross.

i want to thank you all for your support :hug: and assistance through this... without your knowledge :2cent: and courage to say what you believe... i wouldn't have known he was a cross.

YAAAAAAA to you all! :carrot:

a very special thanks to jamie... without him i'd be sitting in a corner :tricho: and feeling like i just got :groinkick - so jamie :colbert2: to you!

now i can :relax: and get my :carrot: groove back!

:gj:
Aleesha

Aleesha,

Glad you got back an amount that makes this a better deal for you. Drake is still gorgeous and will be an awesome snake for years to come!

i agree... he's just soooo darned cute. ;) since he's in shed i can't hold him so instead i'm staring at his pictures.:P yup 'pathetic' is my middle name LOL

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well all the email conversations with my breeder have finished. he's refunding me $100 to cover the cost of drake's mites and to reduce the cost further :colbert: due to him being a cross... i got a deal on him to begin with so in all i paid approx $150-175 less because of him being a cross.

i want to thank you all for your support :hug: and assistance through this... without your knowledge :2cent: and courage to say what you believe... i wouldn't have known he was a cross.

YAAAAAAA to you all! :carrot:

a very special thanks to jamie... without him i'd be sitting in a corner :tricho: and feeling like i just got :groinkick - so jamie :colbert2: to you!

now i can :relax: and get my :carrot: groove back!

:gj:
Aleesha

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Don't you just love all the cool little emoticons on here!

And I'm glad to hear you got some $ back on Drake... But like others have said before me, he's still an awesome looking snake! Congrats on a great baby!!

Aleesha,

Glad to hear that, despite his not being as forthcoming as he should have been, your breeder refunded some of your money for the mites!!!! (Espec. since he KNEW he had an "ongoing mite problem".)

Drake's still a pretty boy, and I TOTALLY empathize w/you (I don't think you're "pathetic") because you can't hold him while he's in shed. I'm hoping all my scale kids will eventually end up in sync so that I can hold them any time. It's the pits having someone always in shed. :(

Hope the PAM is working for you!

RuLyn