(Semi) newbie here with many, MANY questions!

Update, I read up on the issue in other posts and apparently that's how it supposed to be, that you want it to read around 90 at the glass not the top of the substrate so, I should be good...? Also forgot to mention in the initial post but I did the sequence properly (heat pad, thermostat probe, tank glass).

Yes. You want the bottom of the enclosure floor to read ~90°. As for your 70° ambient temperature, I’d advise getting that up another 8-10°.


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Yes. You want the bottom of the enclosure floor to read ~90°. As for your 70° ambient temperature, I’d advise getting that up another 8-10°.


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Suggestions on how do I go about that? I've heard 75-80 is optimal but I'm not sure what would help bump up the temperature. A weaker watt heat lamp perhaps? Though that'd kill the humidity (which I don't have readings on yet for the record as my hydrometer is undergoing salt testing until tomorrow).

EDIT: Did another reading now that my tinfoil panels (just cardboard strips wrapped in tinfoil) have been on top for a while, it bumped up the ambient temperature to the farthest cool side to 72-73.

Insulate 3 exterior sides of the enclosure, additional heat sources for ambient temp, management, additional heat/less air conditioning in that room, etc.


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From what I've read I'll need to get a 100 watt CHE with its own thermostat (the latter of which hurts considering what I already spent on the current one, but I want to do this right so it's what it will take). I already have a lamp hood to use it with at least, just need to figure out how to hang it above the screen lid so the snake doesn't burn itself if it reaches the top.

Alright, so my hydrometer is ready, put the probe so it's hovering a little above the substrate. Percentage was off by a couple degrees from the salt test but I simply wrote down the difference (it's one that can't be adjusted). To my surprise when I put it in the tank the humidity was higher than expected, in the high 70's to low 80's in about the hour or so I've monitored it. It's been naturally humid here lately (though where I live conditions change drastically with the seasons) and the setup is in the basement, plus the coconut fiber and my aluminum foil panels.

For the record nothing's actually wet in the enclosure aside from the obvious water bowl (I'll change it out on the day when the snake arrives, just leaving it filled for now to gauge humidity levels). Though I'm certain the levels will go down once I install the CHE when it comes in tomorrow so I'll need to test and keep an eye on that. But for now my humidity levels look pretty nice.

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Though I'm certain the levels will go down once I install the CHE when it comes in tomorrow so I'll need to test and keep an eye on that. But for now my humidity levels look pretty nice.

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Glad you were able to do the salt test and find out the % difference. Usually, it's not that drastic but definitely good to know.

Yes, the CHE will suck a lot of the humidity out but don't get too worried about that. If your BP is not in shed, the humidity isn't as important as the temps. Once you observe your BP going into shed, you can either bump the humidity by misting once a day with a spray bottle or you can create a humid hide with sphagnum moss. The moss will also act as an abrasive substance to help your BP shed.

And don't worry about losing that BP. Breeding season starts right about September so there's going to be a lot of BPs that are going to be available by the end of the year or early next year.

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Glad you were able to do the salt test and find out the % difference. Usually, it's not that drastic but definitely good to know.

Yes, the CHE will suck a lot of the humidity out but don't get too worried about that. If your BP is not in shed, the humidity isn't as important as the temps. Once you observe your BP going into shed, you can either bump the humidity by misting once a day with a spray bottle or you can create a humid hide with sphagnum moss. The moss will also act as an abrasive substance to help your BP shed.

And don't worry about losing that BP. Breeding season starts right about September so there's going to be a lot of BPs that are going to be available by the end of the year or early next year.

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The humidity has risen to over 90% so that CHE will actually be doubly useful (but if it's still too humid even after I install it I can simply remove some of the aluminum panels as I had the foresight to cut them into separate pieces). Also forgot to mention that three of the tank walls have foam board for privacy and insulation (on the outside of course). And when I do need to bump it up I bought a dedicated spray bottle for that exact purpose. ;)

And I already had a backup plan and am talking with the breeder from Dynasty Reptiles (who this forum has given their blessings) and he's been very responsive with my questions and provided current photos of the snake today (2 month old male banana that has quite a bit of orange on him). In fact as I was typing this I paid for him, but he's currently in shed so I requested that he be held until he sheds before shipping so he's not under as much stress from the trip, which works out perfectly since the CHE comes in on Wednesday. The breeder will alert me when he sheds and is ready to come home. So excited! :D

Also I cut a couple apple tree branches since I know males like to climb sometimes. Whittled down all the sharp points and stripped off any bark, sandpapered smooth, washed and are currently being baked for sterilization.

Here are the pics of him the breeder sent me btw.
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He's gorgeous! Congrats!

Once the substrate dries out the humidity will fall as well.

Sounds like your setup really came together. Once you get the CHE I'd recommend running that before he comes in so you can dial in the temps and you'll be all set!

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He's gorgeous! Congrats!

Once the substrate dries out the humidity will fall as well.

Sounds like your setup really came together. Once you get the CHE I'd recommend running that before he comes in so you can dial in the temps and you'll be all set!

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Right. I'll get it running as soon as it gets here. :gj:

I've finally done it. After several hours of testing the parameters are set to perfection on dual thermometers. 90 degree Fahrenheit hot spot, 80 degree ambient, and mid 70s gradient for cooler side with a (so far) consistent humidity in the mid 50's to low 60s range with easy adjustment if it gets too dry or humid with aluminum foil panels.

Snug log hides at both both ends so he can be secure at any temperature and are rough for shedding assistance, 3 glass sides fitted with black foam board and lots of fake plants for further security, sticks for climbing and a large enough water bowl set halfway on the hot spot if he ever wants to bathe, and all on about a couple inches of coconut fiber substrate.

Got all the other external equipment as well. Feeding tongs, spray bottle and weighing scale.

All. Is. Ready.
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(Sorry about the glare, no ceiling lights close enough to the tank to avoid reflections well enough).

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It really came together, looks great!

Now for the notes ;): Try to make sure that your cool side doesn't slide below 75 degrees. I'd usually recommend 78-80 for the cool side. Also, what kind of log hides are they? You want to make sure the hides are dark so your BP has a place to hide. Don't forget they like dark spaces, especially during the day. These have been my favorite for a while. They're not as realistic but my BPs absolutely love them and they provide great security: https://www.reptilebasics.com/?p=cat...arch_str=hides

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It really came together, looks great!

Now for the notes ;): Try to make sure that your cool side doesn't slide below 75 degrees. I'd usually recommend 78-80 for the cool side. Also, what kind of log hides are they? You want to make sure the hides are dark so your BP has a place to hide. Don't forget they like dark spaces, especially during the day. These have been my favorite for a while. They're not as realistic but my BPs absolutely love them and they provide great security: https://www.reptilebasics.com/?p=cat...arch_str=hides

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The cool side has stayed in the upper 70's so that's all good (the one front corner with the pile of leaves beside the bare glass dips just a tad lower to 73-ish I've found but that should be fine). I'll be sure to keep a watchful eye on temperatures once autumn starts to set in and adjust my thermostats as needed.

The hides are small half logs (the ones that make a tunnel) that have one end pressed up against the tank walls, which are covered by black foam board, so there is only one entrance to make it perfectly dark and snug inside. That and it's naturally quite dim here in the basement (I had all the lights on so I could take pictures, they're normally off). Some light comes through a couple window wells but not a whole lot.

Yea, watch the temps because 73 is too low.

Personally, I'm not a fan of half logs because they don't provide that tightness that BPs love but see if it works for you.

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Yea, watch the temps because 73 is too low.

Personally, I'm not a fan of half logs because they don't provide that tightness that BPs love but see if it works for you.

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I figured out why that front corner gave a weirdly low reading. I apparently pointed the temp gun from the outside glass so it was reading room temperature. Changed the angle so it was actually pointing in the tank from above and it read 78 degrees. Getting used to getting proper readings in general, like making sure the tinfoil panels aren't in the way and not aiming too close to the heat lamp.

As for the logs I made sure they were small ones (in fact I saw baby BPs at the store hiding in the same ones and they looked pretty snugly squished in) so hopefully they should work out. But if he's still stressed after the settling in period then I'll look into the hides you linked. :gj:

Oh, forgot to ask this, but with coconut fiber how often is it recommended to replace it since my enclosure is not bioactive? Obviously spot cleaning any poops and such will be in order but I'm more asking about the whole enclosure's worth.

Meanwhile the snake still isn't here yet (as mentioned before, waiting on an update for when he sheds, after which he will be shipped, should be around the weekend or so) but I'm keeping the setup up and running and monitoring it daily. Temperatures and humidity are still maintaining the perfect zones. :)

Full bed changing will depend on you. If you're spot cleaning and changing water on continuous basis, you may want to do a full tare down and change bedding every 3 months. Some people do it on a monthly basis. Just depends how messy your terrarium gets.

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Full bed changing will depend on you. If you're spot cleaning and changing water on continuous basis, you may want to do a full tare down and change bedding every 3 months. Some people do it on a monthly basis. Just depends how messy your terrarium gets.

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Sounds about right from what I was thinking, monthly full cleans

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Well, still waiting. Haven't heard back from the breeder yet in regards to him shedding (I imagine it has to be within the next couple days at this point, but if I don't hear back by late Monday I'll shoot a text just in case).

In the meantime I admittedly am thinking about some kind of lighting in the enclosure since it seems a little silly that I put so much work into making the setup look nice, only to be barely able to see anything even during the day since it's so dim down here in the basement. But between the CHE and the aluminum panels there's not really anywhere on the lid surface to put a light fixture, so any suggestions? I've thought about LED strips but I'm not sure where I'd affix those since I obviously don't want to use anything adhesive-based, but I can't simply screw them into the enclosure either since it's glass. Though I suppose I could cut a slight sliver from the panels (they're just cardboard after all) to make room for a strip. With that in mind, do LEDs need to shut off at night like a regular ambient light would? I can get a timer so it's like a day/night cycle if that's the case.

On an unrelated note temperatures will be dropping a few degrees over this week. Still warm (70's) but considering that he will be coming from Miami where it's still in the 90's that means he might not come with a heat pack and could get a little chilled, and I heard from Snake Discovery that if they come in cold, you do not want to introduce them to their enclosure too soon after arrival if they're chilly as the drastic change in temperature could put them in shock and possibly death. The solution is to leave them at room temperature until they warm up, but how long does that typically take? And where should I put him to do so?

Hi, if you install a light, I'd definitely add some sort of timer so it's off during the night.

In regards to the temps, I'd speak with the breeder regarding this and coordinate accordingly. Ideally, the shipping will overnight your BP so hopefully there shouldn't be any issues. With that said, you also will have to speak with the breeder regarding shipping, considering some packages are taking longer to get where they need to go.

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Hi, if you install a light, I'd definitely add some sort of timer so it's off during the night.

In regards to the temps, I'd speak with the breeder regarding this and coordinate accordingly. Ideally, the shipping will overnight your BP so hopefully there shouldn't be any issues. With that said, you also will have to speak with the breeder regarding shipping, considering some packages are taking longer to get where they need to go.

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Whenever I can manage to get back in contact with the guy anyway. He said he would alert me when the snake did his shed (which most definitely should have happened by now seeing as it's been exactly a week since I got the new pic of him in deep blue) but I haven't gotten any new messages since our initial exchange. Sent him a text this afternoon politely asking if the snake has shed yet but no reply, hopefully he'll see it tomorrow.

I don't believe I've been scammed or anything, it's Chun Ku of Dynasty Reptiles and I've heard nothing but praises of his company and he's been quick and concise when I asked for pics and information otherwise. Still though, the wait is getting to me. :sigh2:

I wouldn't worry too much about it considering it seems like you picked a large breeder. Be patient, don't forget that these guys are not spending their whole day on their computer.

With that said, you always want to make sure that you're paying either by credit card or PayPal so if you are scammed, you can charge back the transaction.

I know I know. It's just the "first time jitters" if you will, so I'm anxious. :P

And I did pay through Paypal so worst case scenario I'm covered.

I really admire the amount of time and effort that you've spent researching and learning about these animals. That speaks volumes to the care that your snake is going get. Everything looks great and congrats on the new family member!

I also strongly suggest looking into a PVC or front opening enclosure when he gets bigger. Your setup now is great, but you'd be surprised at how quickly you get tired of lifting the screen off the tank. I personally have my hatching bp in a 10gal tank and I hate it lol. All my other snakes are in front opening enclosures and I'm not sure how I lived without them. Smart plugs were also a gamechanger for me. I use LED light strips or fixtures in my enclosures and I have them all hooked up to a smart plug or 2. Makes it nice and easy to set day/night cycles.

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I really admire the amount of time and effort that you've spent researching and learning about these animals. That speaks volumes to the care that your snake is going get. Everything looks great and congrats on the new family member!

I also strongly suggest looking into a PVC or front opening enclosure when he gets bigger. Your setup now is great, but you'd be surprised at how quickly you get tired of lifting the screen off the tank. I personally have my hatching bp in a 10gal tank and I hate it lol. All my other snakes are in front opening enclosures and I'm not sure how I lived without them. Smart plugs were also a gamechanger for me. I use LED light strips or fixtures in my enclosures and I have them all hooked up to a smart plug or 2. Makes it nice and easy to set day/night cycles.

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I can already tell it's going to be a hassle removing the clamps, lifting the lid while being mindful of the lamp, and then when I put it back shifting the wires around so they poke through the corners, repositioning the aluminum panels and putting the clamps back on, but it's what I have to work with right now. At any rate don't worry, it won't be his home forever. ;)

I did briefly consider getting a PVC setup to begin with but for one thing, I didn't want to start with a full-sized setup considering the controversy of putting a baby in too large of an enclosure (already pushing it with the 30 gallon but I put in extra litter to compensate). That and if I'm going to put him in an enclosure that he's eventually going to move out of, might as well simply modify something I already have.

Breeder messaged me this afternoon. My baby banana boy is coming home tomorrow! :D

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Breeder messaged me this afternoon. My baby banana boy is coming home tomorrow! :D

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Sweet! I want to see some unboxing photos!

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Sweet! I want to see some unboxing photos!

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You bet. ;)

Still don't have a name for him though. Or rather, a set one. I've been bouncing two or three around in my head for weeks but at this point I think I'll wait until he gets here and hopefully I'll get that moment where the right name just clicks.

He's here! Came in later than expected but he was warm and is extremely curious. Most videos I've seen the baby is all wrapped up and (understandably) scared. Not this guy.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f1dac70fa3.jpg

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Congrats! He's gorgeous and I'm super jelly! I always had a thing for Bananas!

He has a name too. Zebes (zeh-bess), after the planet from the Metroid games.

Funny story, I nearly fainted right after taking that pic (also why it looks unfocused and the fuzz at the bottom). I'm not a morning person but I got up early since he was supposed to arrive around 10:30AM, but he didn't get here until after 3PM. And all the while I was sleep-deprived while dealing with the excitement and anxiety of the wait and the rush from holding him in my hand for the first time was too much all at once. :oops:

Everything's okay now though. He's safe and sound exploring his new home so I'm going to see if I can't take a nap.

Okay, I REALLY need some sort of lighting in there, can't see him at all without fuddling around with the lid and stuff. But might as well leave things as is for now since the darkness makes him feel more secure during the acclimation period. In fact he feels so secure that after his initial survey of his new home he seems content to rest just outside the log hide in the hot spot area since there's so much fake foliage that covers him.

All's gone well so far. He's spent all day sleeping in his warm side hide so he's gotten cozy, but I think he might be hungry. Checked on him just now and he tried to strike (and bonked the glass). Did the same thing last night but I think he was just startled because I heard a bump and he apparently had a little tumble from one of his climbing branches. It's been a week since his last feeding before he made the journey home so should I feed him tomorrow or should I wait a couple more days?

Those sounds like defensive strikes. Give him a week to really settle in and then try to feed next Thursday or Friday.

What was he taking from the breeder?

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Those sounds like defensive strikes. Give him a week to really settle in and then try to feed next Thursday or Friday.

What was he taking from the breeder?

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You're more than likely right. He didn't act defensive when I first got him out of the box despite being quite active (it was perfectly warm weather when he traveled) but I guess that was more out of surprise and shock from the trip. At any rate I've been doing as much as possible to not disturb him while still checking in periodically to change the water and monitor the enclosure. The most I did was when he had the little tumble last night and I gave him a slight poke to see if there was any injury when he moved, but he was fine.

And the breeder had him on live hopper mice, so I'm going to feed him accordingly for the initial couple feedings before attempting F/T just to make sure he starts eating first. Figured that I should wait the full week before his first meal as per instructions, but I asked just in case the strikes were a feeding response or not. I have studied up on snake behavioral signals but of course, watching videos can only do so much compared to live experience.

So, I was out of the house most of the day and when I came downstairs he was actually out of his hide in full view for the first time since he arrived. But he quickly slinked back into his hide a couple minutes later with the nearby lamp on and it made me wonder, is a little bit of light leeching into the enclosure from stuff like shaded lamps and a TV okay during some of the night? Or is that too much of a disturbance? Also the TV is right next to the tank (but horizontally so the tank isn't directly facing it) so is that also a noise issue? It's not all that bright and the enclosure's still pretty dim unless I have the direct overhead lights on (which I rarely turn on anyway). Three sides are blocked by black foam board so really only light from the front gets in.

I'm likely worrywarting again and he probably simply wanted to hide from the giant scary human more than anything else, but I'm just trying to make sure I'm doing everything correctly.

Oh, I forgot to do one last important thing. Keeping records.

Got an unused notebook and wrote down all his information. Hatch date, arrival, last meal, current weight, ect. Actually just weighed him now since I forgot to do it when he came in and he's 95 grams at 2 months old. That's normal right? I looked him over and he doesn't appear thin otherwise so I'm assuming he's normal weight. Will give him his first meal on Friday so hopefully that goes well.

I'm having humidity issues. It was staying in the 50's for the most part but the weather's been warmer so the AC is on, which means the inside air is dryer even in the basement. That and I turned the thermostat up a couple degrees as it kept dipping below the desired ambient temperature for some reason despite setting it at 80, which obviously saps the moisture even more and now it's dipped into the 40's. What also doesn't help is that the lid clamps I have on either side get in the way of the foil panels just slightly so they aren't properly flush with the top.

Been spritzing with the spray bottle periodically to make sure the levels don't get too low for now, but when I go out to get his first meal (remember he's on live from the breeder and I want to make sure he's eating first) I'll pick up some sphagnum moss to distribute around the tank plus make a humidity box for him.

What kind of substrate are you using? I use a weird combo of ecoearth, cypress mulch, sphagnum moss and some coconut husk. It holds humidity pretty decently for me.

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What kind of substrate are you using? I use a weird combo of ecoearth, cypress mulch, sphagnum moss and some coconut husk. It holds humidity pretty decently for me.

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Coconut fiber, about 2 inches deep. Didn't want to use that much but one brick wasn't enough so I used two. I'm sure sphagnum moss will help once I get some though. Should I mix it in with the fiber or scatter it around the surface?

Also did some tinkering and got the clamps to go over the foil panels so they're more flush, but it didn't make much of a difference by now.

Two inches seems like a lot of substrate. Next time consider using a bit less.

In regards to the humidity, don't stress yourself out unless your BP is shedding. If it's staying at 40-60%, you're fine. Once you see him dull out, then throw some damp moss into his hide and spray as needed.

I also wanted to touch base regarding the tv. Just make sure that the tv isn't right next to his enclosure especially since he can feel the sound vibration.

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Two inches seems like a lot of substrate. Next time consider using a bit less.

In regards to the humidity, don't stress yourself out unless your BP is shedding. If it's staying at 40-60%, you're fine. Once you see him dull out, then throw some damp moss into his hide and spray as needed.

I also wanted to touch base regarding the tv. Just make sure that the tv isn't right next to his enclosure especially since he can feel the sound vibration.

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Agreed, like I said the one brick I used didn't even cover the bottom fully so I used another whole brick. Next time I'll just need to use one and a half or so to split the difference.

And I do have a container ready to make a humidity box with. Should I hold off and only provide it when he next goes into shed or do it now anyway so he has the option if he wants more moisture?

Also going to need to figure out placements again it seems. The TV is unfortunately right next to the setup so wires can reach the outlet (plus I put the thermostats on the side shelves so I can see the numbers at a glance).

As for a final question, it's feeding day but considering it's been two weeks since his last meal, I'm wondering if I should take the opportunity to try and get him to take f/t when he's at his hungriest, or not risk it and just give him the live he's used to just to get something in him. I could get live and frozen at the same time and try the latter, but then if he does take the frozen then I'm kinda just awkwardly left with a live rodent...

I have excellent news! So, about the only store remotely close by that had live rodents didn't have any small mice so I decided to try my luck with frozen. Got home, set one out for an hour and a half or so, then warmed it in hot water (while in a ziplock bag) for 10 minutes, gave a quick blast from a hair drier, then offered. At first I spooked him because I dropped the tongs (I got regular dollar store ones, need to get an actual pair because they're too big and clunky) so I instead gingerly used my hand just this once.

He INSTANTLY grabbed the mouse. He was so fast my heart skipped a beat. :O

Excellent news ... I always say .. blast with a hairdryer- offer instantly- don’t blink :)


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Beginning to wonder if my hydrometer is faulty or not. Seems like it fluctuates between the 40's and 50's in humidity percentage every time I look at it, unless that's just from the CHE going on and off so the humidity rises and falls with it? Half of the water bowl is located under the bulb so that might also be why the readings are strange as the bulb slowly evaporates the water.

I do know the temperature readings on it are sound at least, matches my temp gun competently enough.

That's awesome, congrats! At least feeding is going to get easier.

The change in humidity might be due to the CHE.

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Beginning to wonder if my hydrometer is faulty or not. Seems like it fluctuates between the 40's and 50's in humidity percentage every time I look at it, unless that's just from the CHE going on and off so the humidity rises and falls with it? Half of the water bowl is located under the bulb so that might also be why the readings are strange as the bulb slowly evaporates the water.

I do know the temperature readings on it are sound at least, matches my temp gun competently enough.

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It’s not one of those plastic stick on hygrometers is it - as they’re simply useless..?

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Just ordered proper feeding tongs and a brick of sphagnum moss. About the last things left are to move his enclosure farther away from the TV (will probably need another piece of furniture between them to shelve the thermostats) but I'm waiting until he's finished digesting due to all the inevitable jostling involved, and something about ambient daytime lighting so you can actually see the enclosure that I'm still at a loss about. Between the foil panels, the lift-up style of the lid (sadly not the horizontal sliding type), the clamps and the CHE hanging right above it there's not really anywhere to fit LEDs or the like.

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Nah, knew to avoid those like the plague lol. Mine's a Zoo Med digital thermometer/humidity gauge with probes.