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The Vaping Epidemic

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  • 09-24-2019, 03:00 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    Well, MA just put a ban in place, effective immediately. A four month ban. So freaking stupid. I can't vape at 40 years old, but at 18 you can go to war and die for your country...

    I can understand how unfair & lopsided that feels. On the one hand, some may want to preclude the long-term health disaster that the tobacco industry has left us with,
    but of course, there are far more cynical interpretations too. What's with the "4 month ban" anyway? :confusd:
  • 09-24-2019, 03:26 PM
    NewmanLovesSnakes
    The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    Well, MA just put a ban in place, effective immediately. A four month ban. So freaking stupid. I can't vape at 40 years old, but at 18 you can go to war and die for your country...

    My good buddy I did basic and AIT with is from MA, he hated the laws so much he moved to Florida. I feel like over the past couple years they have proposed and even passed some crazy laws up there. It’s sad they went to that extreme to ban vaping. Can you order online and have it sent to your door or is that a no go too? The truly sad thing is all of this is over black market TCH juice, it’s just a way for the government to pick and choose who to rob of business.


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  • 09-24-2019, 03:34 PM
    Zincubus
    The Vaping Epidemic
    I have soooo many concerns regarding vaping .. my son ‘tells’ me he’s recently quit vaping and I hope he’s not just saying it to alleviate my worries .. I believe him 95% ..

    One of my concerns with vaping is that they can’t be sure how any given chemical/liquid will react when it’s heated up in the vapouriser given the extremely high temperatures

    [The e-liquid reaches a temperature of roughly 100-250 °C
    (212º-482 °F)]


    Plus people are concocting their own liquids / flavours and selling online- all totally unregulated

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  • 09-24-2019, 03:41 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zincubus View Post
    I have soooo many concerns regarding vaping .. my son ‘tells’ me he’s recently quit vaping and I hope he’s not just saying it to alleviate my worries .. I believe him 95% ..

    One of my concerns with vaping is that they can’t be sure how any given chemical/liquid will react when it’s heated up in the vapouriser given the extremely high temperatures

    [The e-liquid reaches a temperature of roughly 100-250 °C
    (212º-482 °F)]


    Plus people are concocting their own liquids / flavours and selling online- all totally unregulated

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

    You & me both- not to mention those that have had them explode in their faces. Smoking (anything) holds no appeal for me. I hope your son has really & truly quit for good.
  • 09-24-2019, 04:03 PM
    Craiga 01453
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    I can understand how unfair & lopsided that feels. On the one hand, some may want to preclude the long-term health disaster that the tobacco industry has left us with,
    but of course, there are far more cynical interpretations too. What's with the "4 month ban" anyway? :confusd:

    I don't have a clue what the purpose of the 4 month ban is. I just went to my local shop and chatted with them. They believe it's just in place to put shops out of business. Then they either won't have the start-up capital to re-open or will just move on.

    At least NY gave two weeks before the ban kicked in. MA just did it effective immediately with no thought for the business owners. They were given no time to liquidate product. Basically just shut down with no concern for the livelihoods of the owners or their families. So wrong.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NewmanLovesSnakes View Post
    My good buddy I did basic and AIT with is from MA, he hated the laws so much he moved to Florida. I feel like over the past couple years they have proposed and even passed some crazy laws up there. It’s sad they went to that extreme to ban vaping. Can you order online and have it sent to your door or is that a no go too? The truly sad thing is all of this is over black market TCH juice, it’s just a way for the government to pick and choose who to rob of business.


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    Yeah, it's kinda crazy. My town literally had a marijuana shop open yesterday, and the vape shop is being forced to close today.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for legal marijuana. It just seems so screwed up.
    After I left the vape shop a little while ago and did a quick calculation...you can walk less than 100 steps down the sidewalk and buy cigarettes and flavored vodka. But nope, can't buy vape juice. You can go less than 2 miles down the road and buy enough weed/weed products to get stoned off your butt for a week.... But I can't buy vape juice.

    Government is a mess, politicians are crooked and money makes the world go round. So yeah, I'm pretty upset at the hypocrisy and lies that are fueling these bans.

    DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!!!
  • 09-24-2019, 05:06 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    I don't have a clue what the purpose of the 4 month ban is. I just went to my local shop and chatted with them. They believe it's just in place to put shops out of business. Then they either won't have the start-up capital to re-open or will just move on.

    At least NY gave two weeks before the ban kicked in. MA just did it effective immediately with no thought for the business owners. They were given no time to liquidate product. Basically just shut down with no concern for the livelihoods of the owners or their families. So wrong....

    It was just a few days ago that I read where Walmart would stop selling e-cigarettes, but even they said it was basically effective once their existing supplies ran out.
    "Government" really needs to get their stuff together...:rolleyes: I'm not pro-vaping but I agree this is no way to handle the issue. :rolleye2: Nor do I personally care if you vape...
  • 09-24-2019, 05:07 PM
    sur3fir3
    What upsets me about the vaping is that they are banning vapes without any proof as to what is causing the issue. It has been found that over 85% of the people that got sick used illegal marijuana vape carts. This is not something that happened from people using commercially available vape juice and marijuana carts. This is all from black market vape stuff. If this was from commercially available vape juice and marijuana carts MANY more people would be sick.
  • 09-24-2019, 05:12 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    What upsets me about the vaping is that they are banning vapes without any proof as to what is causing the issue. It has been found that over 85% of the people that got sick used illegal marijuana vape carts. This is not something that happened from people using commercially available vape juice and marijuana carts. This is all from black market vape stuff. If this was from commercially available vape juice and marijuana carts MANY more people would be sick.

    Might be impossible to prove what's causing the issues since the formulations vary so much? Even cigarette manufacturers didn't admit to all ingredients used either.
  • 09-24-2019, 05:15 PM
    Craiga 01453
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    It was just a few days ago that I read where Walmart would stop selling e-cigarettes, but even they said it was basically effective once their existing supplies ran out.
    "Government" really needs to get their stuff together...:rolleyes: I'm not pro-vaping but I agree this is no way to handle the issue. :rolleye2: Nor do I care if you personally vape...

    I hear ya, and I don't take anything as a personal attack or anything. People disagree, it's human nature. I certainly don't hold a grudge with anybody supporting bans. I just think as an adult, and as an American I should be able to choose for myself without government trying to "protect" me.

    The Governor was even quoted saying that he knows cigarettes kill millions of people each year, but at least they kill you slowly. I mean come on!!!
    Alcohol has killed millions of teens through the years. There no ban there.

    It's just hypocrisy and greed at it's finest.
  • 09-24-2019, 05:38 PM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    Might be impossible to prove what's causing the issues since the formulations vary so much? Even cigarette manufacturers didn't admit to all ingredients used either.


    Actually where i buy my e liquid has already done FDA testing. so I know EXACTLY what is in my vape juice.
  • 09-24-2019, 06:10 PM
    sur3fir3
    well since we are banning vaping because of kids, we may as well ban alcohol, marijuana, Cigarettes, Guns, and anything else that a kid could get their hands on that they shouldn't use.
  • 09-24-2019, 06:12 PM
    sur3fir3
    this is the equivalent of banning snakes because one kid got owned.
  • 09-24-2019, 07:24 PM
    Craiga 01453
    Well, I just scored 11 bottles of juice and a 10 pack of coils for $49.
    Combine that with my 9 bottle and 5 pack of coils online order last week and I'm in good shape.
    Sitting on 24 total bottles and about 17 could and I'll be good for a bit.
  • 09-24-2019, 07:27 PM
    sur3fir3
    The vape store I goto sells just the flavor. I have been stocking up on that.
  • 09-25-2019, 01:10 AM
    FollowTheSun
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    I just think as an adult, and as an American I should be able to choose for myself without government trying to "protect" me.

    And yet the treatments for risky behaviors are paid for by somebody.... treatments for lung cancer, rehab, liver transplants, etc. And I can tell you that a lot of people are not able to work once they are sick, or if they are addicts and not functional, and yet they will still be treated up to a point. A great many of these folks are taken as charity cases by the non profit I work for because they literally have nothing..no money, no insurance. But we dont just dump them on the street...sometimes they get take care of by us the best anyone has in years, or so they tell us.

    Society pays a big price for these habits that people are and should be allowed to practice up to a point as free adults. I don't know what the solution is. I wish I did.



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  • 09-25-2019, 01:11 AM
    FollowTheSun
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    I just think as an adult, and as an American I should be able to choose for myself without government trying to "protect" me.

    And yet the treatments for risky behaviors are paid for by somebody.... treatments for lung cancer, rehab, liver transplants, etc. And I can tell you that a lot of people are not able to work once they are sick, or if they are addicts and not functional, and yet they will still be treated up to a point. A great many of these folks are taken as charity cases by the non profit I work for because they literally have nothing..no money, no insurance. But we dont just dump them on the street...sometimes they get taken care of by us the best anyone has in years, or so they tell us.

    Society pays a big price for these habits that people are and should be allowed to practice up to a point as free adults. I don't know what the solution is. I wish I did.



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  • 09-25-2019, 01:12 AM
    FollowTheSun
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    I just think as an adult, and as an American I should be able to choose for myself without government trying to "protect" me.

    And yet the treatments for risky behaviors are paid for by somebody.... treatments for lung cancer, rehab, liver transplants, etc. And I can tell you that a lot of people are not able to work once they are sick, or if they are addicts and not functional, and yet they will still be treated up to a point. A great many of these folks are taken as charity cases by the non profit I work for because they literally have nothing..no money, no insurance. But we dont just dump them on the street...sometimes they get taken care of by us the best anyone has in years, or so they tell us.

    Society pays a big price for these habits that people are and should be allowed to practice up to a point as free adults. I don't know what the solution is. I wish I did.

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  • 09-25-2019, 09:44 AM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FollowTheSun View Post
    And yet the treatments for risky behaviors are paid for by somebody.... treatments for lung cancer, rehab, liver transplants, etc. And I can tell you that a lot of people are not able to work once they are sick, or if they are addicts and not functional, and yet they will still be treated up to a point. A great many of these folks are taken as charity cases by the non profit I work for because they literally have nothing..no money, no insurance. But we dont just dump them on the street...sometimes they get taken care of by us the best anyone has in years, or so they tell us.

    Society pays a big price for these habits that people are and should be allowed to practice up to a point as free adults. I don't know what the solution is. I wish I did.

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    Vaping is not like ciggarettes, weed, alcohol, or drugs. The carcinogens in it are minimal. I wouldn't be surprised if vaping doesn't casue any issues. In England they actually put vape stores in the hospitals, because it is so much better for you. I am not saying I should be allowed to smoke crack all my life and then live off the government. This is not a hardcore drug, it will not ruin your life. You do not need to detox from vaping when you quit. Vaping has allowed me to leave ciggarettes, and because of that I will have better health. VAPING IMPROVES HEALTH OVER CIGGS. I am not saying vaping is healthy. not by any means. I am saying that it is better for you than ciggs. So if you really want to lower the cost of insurance vaping should be a requirement for people who smoke ciggs. Ciggs should be illegal and vaping promoted. Not the other way around.
  • 09-25-2019, 09:48 AM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    Well, I just scored 11 bottles of juice and a 10 pack of coils for $49.
    Combine that with my 9 bottle and 5 pack of coils online order last week and I'm in good shape.
    Sitting on 24 total bottles and about 17 could and I'll be good for a bit.


    I wanted to tell you that vape juice breaks down over time. The nicotine oxidizes. To prevent this cover your bottle with paper and put them in the fridge.
  • 09-25-2019, 10:33 AM
    Craiga 01453
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    I wanted to tell you that vape juice breaks down over time. The nicotine oxidizes. To prevent this cover your bottle with paper and put them in the fridge.

    Oh I know. Thank you for the heads up though :gj:
  • 09-25-2019, 10:53 AM
    FollowTheSun
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    Vaping is not like ciggarettes, weed, alcohol, or drugs. The carcinogens in it are minimal. I wouldn't be surprised if vaping doesn't casue any issues. In England they actually put vape stores in the hospitals, because it is so much better for you. I am not saying I should be allowed to smoke crack all my life and then live off the government. This is not a hardcore drug, it will not ruin your life. You do not need to detox from vaping when you quit. Vaping has allowed me to leave ciggarettes, and because of that I will have better health. VAPING IMPROVES HEALTH OVER CIGGS. I am not saying vaping is healthy. not by any means. I am saying that it is better for you than ciggs. So if you really want to lower the cost of insurance vaping should be a requirement for people who smoke ciggs. Ciggs should be illegal and vaping promoted. Not the other way around.

    I don't know much about vaping, but from what people say, it's a step down from smoking, so that's a good thing. I just hope there can be some kind of safe industry standard, as with all products, so people stop getting sick from it.
  • 09-25-2019, 11:00 AM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FollowTheSun View Post
    I don't know much about vaping, but from what people say, it's a step down from smoking, so that's a good thing. I just hope there can be some kind of safe industry standard, as with all products, so people stop getting sick from it.


    Again. People are not getting sick from vaping. Tthey are getting sick from illegal marijuana vape cartridges. not regular vape.
  • 09-25-2019, 11:31 AM
    Bogertophis
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    Actually where i buy my e liquid has already done FDA testing. so I know EXACTLY what is in my vape juice.

    I truly don't want to get political here, but in case you haven't been paying attention (or voting?), the FDA & other government agencies "ain't what they used to be"
    these days because industry lobbyists and other insiders have been installed to "run" them (mostly into the ground!). So IMO we have to do a little more looking out
    for ourselves until hopefully (?) the current situation gets resolved. And it may not, if more people don't start paying attention. :rolleyes: When industries of ANY kind are
    the ones testing their products & promising "safety", do you really think they'll tell you the truth? Or worry most about their profits? Just saying...
  • 09-25-2019, 12:13 PM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    I truly don't want to get political here, but in case you haven't been paying attention (or voting?), the FDA & other government agencies "ain't what they used to be"
    these days because industry lobbyists and other insiders have been installed to "run" them (mostly into the ground!). So IMO we have to do a little more looking out
    for ourselves until hopefully (?) the current situation gets resolved. And it may not, if more people don't start paying attention. :rolleyes: When industries of ANY kind are
    the ones testing their products & promising "safety", do you really think they'll tell you the truth? Or worry most about their profits? Just saying...


    You are speaking as if Vaping is controlled by the same big companies that control Ciggs. Where I go to get my juice is a small group of stores, maybe 20 in total. and they have been selling vapes for about 8 years. They haven't had one person in 8 years come forward and say I got sick from vaping. Despise what you think they are not out to make us sick, in fact most people that own vape stores are doing it because the actually believe in vaping and what it can do for everyone who smokes ciggarettes. Where I go to get my juice uses 100% vegan and natural ingredients.

    Vaping saves lives. Plain and simple.
  • 09-25-2019, 12:38 PM
    Zincubus
    The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FollowTheSun View Post
    I don't know much about vaping, but from what people say, it's a step down from smoking, so that's a good thing. I just hope there can be some kind of safe industry standard, as with all products, so people stop getting sick from it.

    Surely we won’t know the true extent of damage done by vaping for another’s ten or twenty years ?


    I still worry what those super high temps ( up to 250C apparently) are doing to all the different additives/ fluids/ flavours.

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  • 09-25-2019, 02:50 PM
    sur3fir3
    Let me say this. Even though I wholeheartedly disagree with some of you, I still love you all! :)
  • 09-25-2019, 03:22 PM
    Zincubus
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    It’s nice we can discuss these matters and remain friendly ..


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  • 09-25-2019, 03:32 PM
    sur3fir3
    getting upset over someone elses view is just stupid. everyones views is based on their experiences. you have to accept that others wont always agree with you.
  • 09-25-2019, 04:08 PM
    PitOnTheProwl
    This reminds me, I need to charge all my 18650s when I get home.
  • 09-25-2019, 05:45 PM
    Zincubus
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    getting upset over someone elses view is just stupid. everyones views is based on their experiences. you have to accept that others wont always agree with you.

    The sad thing is that this forum is practically unique in that we can always discuss things and like this and remain civil .. . It’s nothing like that in many other places


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  • 09-25-2019, 06:56 PM
    dr del
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zincubus View Post
    The sad thing is that this forum is practically unique in that we can always discuss things and like this and remain civil .. . It’s nothing like that in many other places


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

    It's totally down to the members attitudes - we have a great bunch of people who have always respected differing views. It's the reason I joined this forum initially and I have never regretted doing so. :oops: Sorry for getting mushy but you guys need to know how different you are to most other groups out there occasionally.
  • 09-25-2019, 08:00 PM
    Danger noodles
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    It's totally down to the members attitudes - we have a great bunch of people who have always respected differing views. It's the reason I joined this forum initially and I have never regretted doing so. :oops: Sorry for getting mushy but you guys need to know how different you are to most other groups out there occasionally.

    I think it’s because of what are passion is. Most people look at me like I’m crazy when I tell them I keep snakes. However on the car fourms that I’m on it’s all about bragging for most, my car is faster and u don’t know what ur doing etc
  • 09-26-2019, 03:40 AM
    Zincubus
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Danger noodles View Post
    I think it’s because of what are passion is. Most people look at me like I’m crazy when I tell them I keep snakes. However on the car fourms that I’m on it’s all about bragging for most, my car is faster and u don’t know what ur doing etc

    Well I frequent quite a few forums including a general chat one , a electrics/hifi one and couple of multinational Football /Soccer / Sports forums and they’re very toxic places ..


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  • 09-26-2019, 09:48 AM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zincubus View Post
    Well I frequent quite a few forums including a general chat one , a electrics/hifi one and couple of multinational Football /Soccer / Sports forums and they’re very toxic places ..


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro


    I think alot of it has to do with the Mods too.
  • 09-26-2019, 10:10 AM
    NewmanLovesSnakes
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zincubus View Post
    Well I frequent quite a few forums including a general chat one , a electrics/hifi one and couple of multinational Football /Soccer / Sports forums and they’re very toxic places ..


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

    I’ve been a member of some crappy forum pages too. I think this one is the best by far.


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  • 09-26-2019, 10:31 AM
    Bogertophis
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    I think alot of it has to do with the Mods too.

    I'd agree with that, but also, it takes some level of maturity by all of us not to respond to inflammatory posts with lots more of the same. This forum has a very effective
    way of reporting such posts, allowing for the notification of mods so they can dampen the flames appropriately as needed, but it's up to all of us, to some extent. We are
    here to share information that helps others achieve the best care of their snakes, & communications can be challenging at times, but we all do our best for the sake of the
    animals who ultimately depend on our responses.
  • 09-26-2019, 03:11 PM
    Craiga 01453
    Just to chime in on how great the membership is here, I agree wholeheartedly. This was the first forum I ever joined. I joined a few after finding this one, but this is the only one I really enjoy. I never even visit the others. Well, except one, but not too often.

    But it definitely starts with the admin and mods. They set an example and do a great job of enforcing the TOS without being like elementary school teachers.

    I know I've been one to get caught up in some of the "drama" threads, but it's something I'm working on in my personal life as well as here. Sometimes I have a hard time just shutting up. But I'm working on it.

    So, sorry to have partaken in some of the BS. But I am working on it!

    Thanks mods and admin for all you do!!:gj:
  • 09-26-2019, 09:01 PM
    NewmanLovesSnakes
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    I’ve been working on shutting up as well Craig lol I too have that same issue. The people over all here are great and seem like they want the the best for everyone. I’m sorry for the trouble I caused as well when I first joined. I really enjoy it here, I visit one other Forum now besides this one and this one is the only reason I re-downloaded Tapatalk.


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  • 09-27-2019, 11:54 AM
    Craiga 01453
  • 09-27-2019, 12:38 PM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post

    Great article... unfortunately its too late for this to make a difference. everyone already believes all vaping is bad. it is going to be hard to sway that opinion.
  • 09-27-2019, 01:03 PM
    Craiga 01453
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    Great article... unfortunately its too late for this to make a difference. everyone already believes all vaping is bad. it is going to be hard to sway that opinion.

    It's almost like government and media are brainwashing the general public. Spreading false information and putting all vaping under one umbrella.

    It's propaganda at its finest. And unfortunately, the vast majority will hear that it's making people sick and jump to that conclusion without putting in the due diligence to determine for themselves what is true.

    Instead, they'd just rather follow the herd and agree it's bad for us.
  • 09-27-2019, 01:30 PM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    It's almost like government and media are brainwashing the general public. Spreading false information and putting all vaping under one umbrella.

    It's propaganda at its finest. And unfortunately, the vast majority will hear that it's making people sick and jump to that conclusion without putting in the due diligence to determine for themselves what is true.

    Instead, they'd just rather follow the herd and agree it's bad for us.


    Well I believe normal TV programming is there to brainwash us. That is why I do not watch any normal programming at all. I only watch netflix and amazon prime.
  • 09-27-2019, 02:40 PM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Craiga 01453 View Post
    It's almost like government and media are brainwashing the general public. Spreading false information and putting all vaping under one umbrella.

    It's propaganda at its finest. And unfortunately, the vast majority will hear that it's making people sick and jump to that conclusion without putting in the due diligence to determine for themselves what is true.

    Instead, they'd just rather follow the herd and agree it's bad for us.


    Another note. The USA does this over and over. They release shoddy information that wasnt checked against the facts. Our current news sources are ridiculous. What ever happened to reporting the news without putting your feelings, or sentiment into the article. The news is supposed to be reported with no influence from the person writing it. This is not the truth anymore. Just look at CNN vs Fox.
  • 09-29-2019, 07:19 AM
    Gocntry
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    Well I believe normal TV programming is there to brainwash us. That is why I do not watch any normal programming at all. I only watch netflix and amazon prime.

    Yep, the same here... I do watch the Simpsons and Family Guy on Sunday nights (live tv).

    But other wise only movies and tv series that are commercial free. No normal tv for either me or my daughter, neither one of us can stand it.
  • 09-30-2019, 05:35 PM
    dr del
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    I watch three different channels news programs every night - but mainly pay attention to the words not said you would expect to be there if someone was genuine. :rolleyes:
  • 10-04-2019, 06:30 PM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    I watch three different channels news programs every night - but mainly pay attention to the words not said you would expect to be there if someone was genuine. :rolleyes:

    True. The issue boils down to the fact that people are stupid enough to believe everything they hear on the news. I was told something a long time ago. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear

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  • 10-06-2019, 12:07 AM
    rlditmars
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sur3fir3 View Post
    Great article... unfortunately its too late for this to make a difference. everyone already believes all vaping is bad. it is going to be hard to sway that opinion.

    This comment begs to ask the question, "What vaping is good for you?"

    The simple fact is humans weren't designed to have fluid/moisture in their lungs, post birth. The two incidences I can think of where they do are labeled, pneumonia and drowning. To the best of my knowledge these are both conditions that no one would label as beneficial. Common sense and simple biology should tell us that vaping will have negative effects on our health, period. With or with out the addition of any other chemical.

    Vaping is simply another delivery system to introduce nicotine or other substances into the blood stream. Nicotine has no beneficial qualities, it is just another substance humans use to alter their state, but society hasn't deemed hazardous enough to ban, like alcohol. Addicts are going to utilize whatever is available to deliver the vice of choice. The industry could care less what the long term effects are. They have already had the accountants research the projected profits, and they have ascertained they will outweigh the costs of the law suits down the road. If you don't believe me, just look at the Tobacco Industry. Their product is proven deadly and they are still going. The whole reason the Vaping Industry even exists is that the public was becoming educated about the dangers of smoking and it was starting to impact the Tobacco Industries bottom line. Cigarette smoking was on the decline. They needed a new way to hook people on nicotine. The trick was they needed something the kids would find cool, the government wouldn't know how to regulate, and could be perceived as or believed to be, benign. I must say, it is impressive how well they nailed it.

    Regardless of which way the news report on Vaping, anyone who thinks the end result of doing so will be of no consequence, is ignoring biology and fooling themselves.

    Just my $0.02
  • 10-06-2019, 03:28 AM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rlditmars View Post
    This comment begs to ask the question, "What vaping is good for you?"

    The simple fact is humans weren't designed to have fluid/moisture in their lungs, post birth. The two incidences I can think of where they do are labeled, pneumonia and drowning. To the best of my knowledge these are both conditions that no one would label as beneficial. Common sense and simple biology should tell us that vaping will have negative effects on our health, period. With or with out the addition of any other chemical.

    Vaping is simply another delivery system to introduce nicotine or other substances into the blood stream. Nicotine has no beneficial qualities, it is just another substance humans use to alter their state, but society hasn't deemed hazardous enough to ban, like alcohol. Addicts are going to utilize whatever is available to deliver the vice of choice. The industry could care less what the long term effects are. They have already had the accountants research the projected profits, and they have ascertained they will outweigh the costs of the law suits down the road. If you don't believe me, just look at the Tobacco Industry. Their product is proven deadly and they are still going. The whole reason the Vaping Industry even exists is that the public was becoming educated about the dangers of smoking and it was starting to impact the Tobacco Industries bottom line. Cigarette smoking was on the decline. They needed a new way to hook people on nicotine. The trick was they needed something the kids would find cool, the government wouldn't know how to regulate, and could be perceived as or believed to be, benign. I must say, it is impressive how well they nailed it.

    Regardless of which way the news report on Vaping, anyone who thinks the end result of doing so will be of no consequence, is ignoring biology and fooling themselves.

    Just my $0.02

    The point is not that it causes no damage. We are saying it causes less damage than smoking nothing more and nothing less. I am not saying there shouldn't be regulations. It is simply being said that an outright ban will do more damage in the long run.

    It has been a proven fact in our society that making something illegal does not make it safer, in fact quite the opposite it allows for a whole industry to develop without any control. If it is banned people will goto the black market, where the vape ingredients may not be safe. Like I said before where I get my vape juice from is the safest it can be. I know it's not like breathing air. I mean you are putting something in your lungs that shouldn't be there, so there will be side effects, but let's keep it legal so we can research the effects instead of just hiding behind a law that makes it illegal.

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  • 10-06-2019, 10:50 AM
    sur3fir3
    Re: The Vaping Epidemic
    Another thing to note is the vaping industry developed completely independant of big tobacco, in fact until recently big tobacco was trying to shut down vaping. So please before you make the assumption that big tobacco was the driving force behind vaping and the advances in vaping tech do your research.

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  • 10-06-2019, 11:21 AM
    cletus
    People of legal age should be able to do what they want provided it doesn't harm others. I don't smoke and I honestly know zilch about vaping and I don't judge. You be you and I'll be me.
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