Crowley progression thread

I’d love to know what a winter fast is and why ur snake started in the summer??

I call it like like it is and I feel this is a thread that will remind u of lol the crazy stuff u put this snake through when it’s all over

I don't think that last post is going to be viewed very positively.

It comes across as really bad anthropomorphism, and you say you have these "methods," when you're really not experienced enough to have methods.

Just being honest. Hopefully, your snake is really doing better.

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

So aside from the hides and the bird, nothing seems to have changed. The snake isn't eating, yet you continue to have him out for hours a day on these "missions" you've made up.
You claim to love him so much, but you refuse to take advice that will help the animal thrive. He's surviving, not thriving.
The way you keep that snake is selfish and in no way shows you love him. Love means sacrificing and doing what's best for the person/pet you love. Until you sacrifice your own needs to believe your snake is something he's not your snake (reminder, he's a SNAKE) will never thrive...because YOU CHOOSE to steal that from him.

You've been given tons of great advice, yet you pick and choose what to listen to...you refuse to accept anything that doesn't benefit YOU. And who suffers? Yup, Crowley who you "love" so much.

For your snakes sake, you really need to listen, otherwise the poor animal will never get the life he deserves.

Look, we're here to help. Taking time out of our days because we care. Please understand it's not about you, it's about the animal. And until YOU change, your animal will never thrive. We want to help you get there. Please, for your snake, start listening.

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There is no help for those that feel they are doing everything right. After all I’ve never had a single issue with my snakes or the countless other members here due to neglect, but hey I don’t have a friend that works at petco telling me I’m doing perfectly

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Originally Posted by wnateg

I don't think that last post is going to be viewed very positively.

It comes across as really bad anthropomorphism, and you say you have these "methods," when you're really not experienced enough to have methods.

Just being honest. Hopefully, your snake is really doing better.

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It hasn’t eaten in months but as she said he is in a winter fast. Is Canada’s winter opposite of the United States?

He started his fast when I got a new AC unit and accidentally got it too cold one day, that was a huge mistake on my part and I feel bad for it. It gets cold in late August to early September here. You are obviously trying to get me going, I've mentioned this before. Please keep this thread positive.

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Originally Posted by Valyndris

He started his fast when I got a new AC unit and accidentally got it too cold one day, that was a huge mistake on my part and I feel bad for it. It gets cold in late August to early September here. You are obviously trying to get me going, I've mentioned this before. Please keep this thread positive.

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Why do u not address the issues u have? Plz have a conversation about this and really try to listen. A lot of the stuff u do is ok, but to have him out immediately after such a scary incident for hours a day when he still hasn’t eaten is not ok! Plz have an intelligent conversation about what ur doing and why u think everyone here is wrong and your right

I just want to point out, if your snake is truly in a winter fast, the behavior thar usually accompanies the fast: lack of activity, sleeps more, etc... They are not happening for Crowley. Based on your post, it seems like he is still very active and going on 'missions.' In the wild during the active seasons, it would not be so active either. It prefers to stay hidden and hunt its prey by waiting and ambush. When it does move, it is because it has to, either for water, to seek a mate or find a better hide/hunting location. No matter how 'special' an animal is (including humans), our instincts engraved deeply into our DNA dictates a lot of our natural behavior. So if he truly was fasting due to the colder season, like my boa and my bp, he would not want to roam and prefers to stay in a comfortable spot and sleep.

No one is trying to be mean to you. What you are saying have too many holes and makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Valyndris

He started his fast when I got a new AC unit and accidentally got it too cold one day, that was a huge mistake on my part and I feel bad for it. It gets cold in late August to early September here. You are obviously trying to get me going, I've mentioned this before. Please keep this thread positive.

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First off, we are keeping the post positive. Nothing is an an attack on you. We're trying to help you and Crowley. But until you understand that there are facts at play here that greatly outweigh your limited experience with one animal.

Simply stating that your snake would feel depressed is literally, by definition, anthropomorphism. You're applying human emotion to an animal incapable of feeling that human emotion. We're trying to help you understand this so that Crowley can thrive the way he deserves.


And honestly, one day of cold wouldn't trigger a fast that lasts months. He's not eating because he's not thriving. Leave the poor snake alone, in his enclosure, until he's eating again. Yes, BPs are known for winter fasts. This I NOT what Crowley I going through. It's not winter!!!!

Please understand we're trying to help you. You even said this is the only place you share because you've gotten so much negative response to your keeping technique. Now you're hearing it here too, from experienced keepers. When are you going to accept that we're not ALL wrong??? At some point you have to realize we're ALL saying because it's true. And we want to help.

Please accept that Crowley is a snake. Please accept that what you're doing is not helping him thrive. There's a very big difference between thriving and surviving. Please understand we care, that's why we take the time to try to help. Please understand this isn't an attack on you, we don't even know you. What we do know is how you choose to care for your animal. And we're not trying to attack how you keep him, we're trying to help you improve how you keep him.

I hope, for Crowley's sake, you start to put his needs before your own. Please be open to constructive criticism and know it's nothing more than that. We truly want the best for you and Crowley.

Crowley has always still done missions during his fasts, he has the energy and doesn't lose weight. Some of these messages are clearly meant to just get me going (not from you Craiga 01453). like saying "In before lock" is clearly just to piss me off. It is indeed winter here where I live in Canada, there is lots of snow on the ground. This isn't the only place I talk to people including experts and I've been told what I do isn't wrong, sure it is different but those with an open mind can see I am doing right by my snake. I didn't immediately just start taking him out after the move, even though he was riding the glass asking, I waited at least a week. He had 30 minutes out the first day so he can check out his surroundings and not be overwhelmed. He's been sleeping great since the move, he used to get up early because of the bird. I feel terrible that I didn't notice this as a sign but at the time I'd let them see each other and they didn't seem to mind. It was when the parrot went in his crazy breeding mode that got Crowley scared or over the edge.

I can't use every single piece of advice given to me as some contradict others. I talk to pros who have kept snakes in tubs and also larger enclosures that have a variety of experiences, they have addressed what I can improve on and I did. I don't get all my advice solely from the forum alone. I don't see how Crowley being stuck in a tank asking to come out is better than just letting him roam around for a couple hours in his room. He shows no signs of stress at all doing so. I never said I think anyone is wrong here, in fact I don't think anyone is wrong, just may not be right for Crowley as he isn't just a tub snake. He was raised letting him do missions a lot and to change that would probably make things worse. That I find worse a fate than any to have so much and lose it all. If you live in a small confined space your whole life, you will be used to that and going out where there are a lot of things would be stressful of course. Crowley has been able to come out almost daily his whole life and was let to roam around, to confine him after 6 years of being able to come out would be cruel.

I'm going to attempt to try a different form of response to try and help you understand what you are doing...

Imagine you are with your parents whom have complete control over you and are responsible for your care, well being and quality of life. The ONLY emotion you have is to protect yourself that's it. You have a "safe place" in your room where it stays dark and you are terrified of big open areas and get REALLY stressed out when someone who is 20 times your size comes and takes you from your "safe space."

Every single day you are removed from that safe space and put into an environment where you are not comfortable and you search countless hours for another safe space that you can't find. You are then picked up, stressed out and put back into your safe space.. You are now on high alert of this happening again because you have no control of it. You are stressed to the max constantly.. Every time your parents try to feed you, you won't eat because you feel sick, stressed out and scared. Then imagine repeating that day after day after day after day. This is what that snake is feeling and the reason he won't eat and has "spazz out" moments like that.

We are truly trying to help you in this thread as others have said. You have also come to us in complete breakdown mode when the snake does something out of the usual BECAUSE of the environment and care you provide it.

I think this forum is a great place and is filled with good, knowledgeable people but they also are smart enough to understand that coddling you as an owner is only harming the animal. You are going to do what you are going to do regardless of what we say it seams so the next time you are panicked and scared when the snake exhibits a behavior you aren't used to and haven't experienced you need to realize that fear and panic you feel is what you are putting that snake through every day.

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Originally Posted by Valyndris

Crowley has always still done missions during his fasts, he has the energy and doesn't lose weight. Some of these messages are clearly meant to just get me going (not from you Craiga 01453). like saying "In before lock" is clearly just to piss me off. It is indeed winter here where I live in Canada, there is lots of snow on the ground. This isn't the only place I talk to people including experts and I've been told what I do isn't wrong, sure it is different but those with an open mind can see I am doing right by my snake. I didn't immediately just start taking him out after the move, even though he was riding the glass asking, I waited at least a week. He had 30 minutes out the first day so he can check out his surroundings and not be overwhelmed. He's been sleeping great since the move, he used to get up early because of the bird. I feel terrible that I didn't notice this as a sign but at the time I'd let them see each other and they didn't seem to mind. It was when the parrot went in his crazy breeding mode that got Crowley scared or over the edge.

I can't use every single piece of advice given to me as some contradict others. I talk to pros who have kept snakes in tubs and also larger enclosures that have a variety of experiences, they have addressed what I can improve on and I did. I don't get all my advice solely from the forum alone. I don't see how Crowley being stuck in a tank asking to come out is better than just letting him roam around for a couple hours in his room. He shows no signs of stress at all doing so. I never said I think anyone is wrong here, in fact I don't think anyone is wrong, just may not be right for Crowley as he isn't just a tub snake. He was raised letting him do missions a lot and to change that would probably make things worse. That I find worse a fate than any to have so much and lose it all. If you live in a small confined space your whole life, you will be used to that and going out where there are a lot of things would be stressful of course. Crowley has been able to come out almost daily his whole life and was let to roam around, to confine him after 6 years of being able to come out would be cruel.

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I have a couple questions and I am going to leave this alone:

1.) How do you know the snake is asking to be removed from his enclosure?

2.) How do you know when he is sleeping and how well he has been sleeping?

3.) Have you weighed that snake when he was eating and now that he has been off of food?

The reason for question 3 is because I have a VERY hard time believing that snake hasn't lost any weight given the number of "missions" he is placed on every day and the stress level he is kept at.

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Originally Posted by Moose84

I have a couple questions and I am going to leave this alone:

1.) How do you know the snake is asking to be removed from his enclosure?

2.) How do you know when he is sleeping and how well he has been sleeping?

3.) Have you weighed that snake when he was eating and now that he has been off of food?

The reason for question 3 is because I have a VERY hard time believing that snake hasn't lost any weight given the number of "missions" he is placed on every day and the stress level he is kept at.

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1 - he rides the glass of his enclosure constantly, I open the door and he comes out himself, I never actually take him out by removing him, I let him come out by himself every time.

2 - I have a nanny cam that watches over him and I take time lapse videos so I can see when he goes to sleep and when he gets up. He went from getting up early (when he was in the same room as the bird) to getting up when his light shuts off or sometimes sleeps in about an hour before getting up.

3 - I weigh him once in a while and he's not losing weight, I haven't weighed him yet since he's been in the room as my scale doesn't work on carpet but I will probably weigh him tonight as I can just easily fold the carpet over and have a space to weigh him, I should of thought of this sooner.

My comment about in before the lock wasn’t about u but about people like me that have a hard time controlling my mouth. I now type what I want first. Then erase it and type something nicer the second time. Lol

Alright guys remember what I always say you can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink! Rather than focusing on someone that does not want or care to have your help, simply move on and find someone that does.

That's their snake they are free to keep it the way they want and ignore issues and not listen, going back and forth is not gonna make any difference if someone is not willing to listen and will only increase the negativity which will eventually lead to the thread being locked.

In other words pick and choose your battles.

Trust me I could care less about some of the humans on here and more about the animals care. And most of the people that are trying to help u feel the same way.

Im not saying his room is bad or u shouldn’t let him out, I’m saying u need to give him a break until he eats at least 3 meals again. Then u can resume, if he stops eating again then that should tell u something.

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

Alright guys remember what I always say you can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink! Rather than focusing on someone that does not want or care to have your help, simply move on and find someone that does.

That's their snake they are free to keep it the way they want and ignore issues and not listen, going back and forth is not gonna make any difference if someone is not willing to listen and will only increase the negativity which will eventually lead to the thread being locked.

In other words pick and choose your battles.

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The queen has spoken, she tells us tales of unwanted advice falling upon deaf ears, is like beating a dead horse.

We hear u

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

Alright guys remember what I always say you can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink! Rather than focusing on someone that does not want or care to have your help, simply move on and find someone that does.

That's their snake they are free to keep it the way they want and ignore issues and not listen, going back and forth is not gonna make any difference if someone is not willing to listen and will only increase the negativity which will eventually lead to the thread being locked.

In other words pick and choose your battles.

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The queen has spoken, she tells us tales of unwanted advice falling upon deaf ears, is like beating a dead horse.

We hear u

I've been told to keep an open mind many times, I feel as though those who think I am doing wrong by Crowley should keep an open mind too, if you don't like how I care for Crowley, just simply sit back and see how his progression goes.

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

Alright guys remember what I always say you can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink! Rather than focusing on someone that does not want or care to have your help, simply move on and find someone that does.

That's their snake they are free to keep it the way they want and ignore issues and not listen, going back and forth is not gonna make any difference if someone is not willing to listen and will only increase the negativity which will eventually lead to the thread being locked.

In other words pick and choose your battles.

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Thank you, I am convinced the way I treat Crowley is right for him. I appreciate all the advice given though some were very mean in their ways of telling me or just simply trying to provoke me. To go with the metaphor, this horse only drinks well water, it isn't wrong, it's just different. I truly believe I am doing what's right for my little guy. I live with him and know him best. I have listened to a lot of advice, whether it be on this forum or elsewhere and I feel as though I am taking the best care of Crowley that I can.

He's not eating but he does this every year and has always been able to come out, fasting during the cold months while still doing missions and maintaining his weight, sure he loses a bit of course but stays looking healthy. Whether it was the AC getting too cold one day triggering his fast or the parrot scaring him starting his fast early, he is still a happy and healthy snake. Having him near the parrot was a mistake and I've learned from it.

Hopefully people can read this thread with an open mind and see how Crowley was raised differently and is cared for accordingly. I never force him to come out, he chooses to do so on his own. The only time I take him out myself is when I try to feed him or when I need to clean his enclosure do to him peeing or pooping. Over the years maybe people will realize he is doing just fine the way I take care of him other than this one incident with the parrot which caused all this bashing and such. Crowley has been doing fine for years and nobody said anything till I made one mistake. Now I feel as though those who like Crowley and don't see how I treat him as an issue stay silent due to the many attacks on me and I don't blame them. There are those who still read about him in silence and that is fine. I like to show my way of taking care of Crowley and how different methods can work just fine.

Science has been discovering more and more that reptiles and snakes are smarter than they were once thought to be and that they sure can show emotions and affection, there was a thread on this very forum about it posted not too long ago. I hope to keep this thread going, giving updates on how Crowley is doing. Like I've said, if you don't agree with my methods just sit back and read how Crowley is doing and over the years when he's still alive and well maybe Crowley can open some minds to alternate ways of keeping snakes. I am not saying keeping a snake in a tub is wrong, just different (and more common of course). I am not the only one that has a snake treated like Crowley and those have thrived too with similar care to Crowley's. I have taken a lot of advice from experts especially those who have kept snakes the way I keep Crowley so I am not just blindly doing anything I want with him. I do my research.

Thank you all for those who read and care about Crowley. He is an amazing snake and companion and has helped me in so many ways with my life as a therapy snake. I make him happy and he makes me happy. :)

Thriving and surviving sound similar but aren’t. I’d love to be proven wrong and shown any evidence u have about how ur methods are the best way to treat ur snake. But just like all your other posts u will just ignore this and post the same thing about the tons of people that say your in the right. So plz prove me wrong.

And if u were an expert and had many experienced keeps telling u how great u were doing then why would u home a parrot and a snake in the same room? I just want an intelligent conversation with u making valid points u can back up. If u want I can show u scientific proof of everything I say, can u?

Since Crowley hasn't eaten in a while he did lose some weight which is to be expected as he pooped out all that extra rat waste since weighing him when he was eating which he was at 5 pounds (2268 grams) when he was eating. He is now down to 4.6 pounds (2087 grams) but this is normal weight loss for going on a fast, he usually loses that extra rat waste weight then sustains his weight for a long time maybe gradually losing a bit over a 7 month fast. He hasn't lost much weight at all, that is nice to see. If he losses too much or starts to look unhealthy (triangular) I will be stopping his missions to slow his weight loss. I will try feeding him tomorrow and see how that goes. Whether he's in his enclosure or not I don't think that is a factor in why he isn't eating. A stressed out snake wouldn't willingly come out by himself and want to come out for longer when put back in the enclosure.

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Since Crowley hasn't eaten in a while he did lose some weight which is to be expected as he pooped out all that extra rat waste since weighing him when he was eating which he was at 5 pounds (2268 grams) when he was eating. He is now down to 4.6 pounds (2087 grams) but this is normal weight loss for going on a fast, he usually loses that extra rat waste weight then sustains his weight for a long time maybe gradually losing a bit over a 7 month fast. He hasn't lost much weight at all, that is nice to see. If he losses too much or starts to look unhealthy (triangular) I will be stopping his missions to slow his weight loss. I will try feeding him tomorrow and see how that goes. Whether he's in his enclosure or not I don't think that is a factor in why he isn't eating. A stressed out snake wouldn't willingly come out by himself and want to come out for longer when put back in the enclosure.

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Thats where I disagree with u. He doesn’t want to come out and play, I promise u that. All I’m asking is that u stop this until he eats at least 3 meals. Then if you feel u have to let him crawl around ok, while I don’t agree with a daily multiple hour cruise, it would be ok if he isn’t loosing weight.

But again plz provide any evidence of what ur doing is being agreed with by any professionals

Well I asked the most well known expert I know of and this was his answer:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/muFd8dS.jpg

I don't see Crowley stressing whatsoever when he comes out, he comes out by himself, if he was stressed then why would he be coming out by himself stressing himself out? That just doesn't make any sense. Even at first I'd offer his enclosure back in case he didn't know how to go back up and find it. He would put his head in and then nope, he wanted to come right back out and do his missions. His room is so much warmer than where he used to be (the living room), the room itself is at 77-80 degrees, it gets hot in there when he's out as I turn the heated blanket on, then add my laptop and monitor's heat and my body heat and it's nice and toasty in there. Hopefully he will eat tonight, he seemed semi-interested last time I tried feeding him. Like Brian Barczyk said, each animal is different, my little Crowley has been an explorer all his life and that's what he likes, it's his way of life and changing it could be worse for him.

Here is the link to my comment and his reply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0v..._5SE1-Z4AaABAg

You're looking for an echo chamber to support your opinions versus honest constructive criticism.

Good luck. I imagine you'll need it on more than just this occasion.

I was asked for proof of an expert's opinion and I provided it. I am not looking for advice or support, just simply trying to post Crowley's progress as this is his progression thread. When I had questions I posted them in a different thread. This thread was simply meant to be to share how Crowley is doing and progressing but people just keep wanting to criticize me and say I'm doing things wrong even though Crowley is doing absolutely fine.

I want to keep this positive and would love to be able to continue posting about how Crowley is doing. I am trying to reply to most questions as I want people to understand how I do things and why.

Here is a cute picture of Crowley in a hide he never used till I moved it next to where I sit in the room. I'd like to think he hangs out in there to be near me but who knows, maybe he just likes the location better. He "hugs" his hide like that to tell me he wants to stay in there, I know this because he's done it for years and always stays in when he does that. When he "hugs" his hide while in his enclosure I close the door as I know he doesn't want to come out yet.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/5s89qH1.jpg

I would hardly call that proof of an expert supporting your methods. He knows very little about the details or of the extent of your anthropomorphizing.

He also answers using question marks(???). That's hardly an advocation.

I tried here. You're obviously not willing to accept anything you don't want to hear. And now you're even taking a very vague "answer" and trying to make it sound like Brian Clickbait supports your methods.

I just can't anymore. OP, good luck.

Crowley, good luck, you're gonna need it. I'm sorry your life will inevitably be shortened by ignorance. It's not your fault.

I just went through this thread twice, wow. Wow, what baffles me most, is I thought this site was about sharing knowledge, not nonsense. That’s nice you love your animal so much. But that doesn’t change any of the nonsense that you’re claiming. If I was just getting into the hobby, I couldn’t imagine a more misleading portrayal of snake keeping. Proof? Proof of what, that a breeder answered your question in a totally non defining manner? Or other keepers are as bad with proper snake care? I learned too many hard lessons in life, pray that’s not what you have to learn in this instance. It’s a PUBLIC form, and you’re posting of free will. Others are chiming in, because what you describe is absurd to 99% of our community. Peace and best of luck. Personally I can’t believe the thread made it this far without more inflammatory comments. Wow.

Ok at least u did try and find some proof and I respect that, but u have him a fraction of the whole story. I really do hope that one day u will wake up and realize that you will never know how your snake feels. like I said before thriving is not surviving.

on a second note, if u can talk to snakes and know what Crowley loves and doesn’t love, then why not ask him why he was freaked out about the bird before waiting months and then asking us?

Last your lying to yourself ur self and others when u say winter fast. It started dead in the middle of summer, ac on for one day shouldn’t be a winter fast, unless u don’t have his setup correctly heated. It can be 65-80 in my house and my snake habitats are at a constant temp due to the heat being on a thermostat

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I just went through this thread twice, wow. Wow, what baffles me most, is I thought this site was about sharing knowledge, not nonsense. That’s nice you love your animal so much. But that doesn’t change any of the nonsense that you’re claiming. If I was just getting into the hobby, I couldn’t imagine a more misleading portrayal of snake keeping. Proof? Proof of what, that a breeder answered your question in a totally non defining manner? Or other keepers are as bad with proper snake care? I learned too many hard lessons in life, pray that’s not what you have to learn in this instance. It’s a PUBLIC form, and you’re posting of free will. Others are chiming in, because what you describe is absurd to 99% of our community. Peace and best of luck. Personally I can’t believe the thread made it this far without more inflammatory comments. Wow.

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We are truly trying to help. I’m not posting on here to act like an a hole I just what what’s best for Crowley, his owner truly loves him and I would like to see her have him for another 20 years instead of 5

So if u want advice from a well respected breeder then pm Stewart reptile on this site and ask Debra what she thinks, I promise she will not steer u in the wrong direction. U can even go look at her amazing animals on morph market and see the quality of animals she produces.

This entire thread gives me the most anxiety I've ever had. I need a Xanax just to read it. It's just watching people talk to a brick wall over and over again ! She isn't gonna change, and the snake will die and she will start a new thread about sorrows and sadness and want all the support of the forum. It's rediculous to think a snake wants anything other to be fed and left alone. People are crazy. Women are nuts . Let's just hope there are no actual children involved in this person's care.

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Originally Posted by Valyndris

Well I asked the most well known expert I know of and this was his answer:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/muFd8dS.jpg

I don't see Crowley stressing whatsoever when he comes out, he comes out by himself, if he was stressed then why would he be coming out by himself stressing himself out? That just doesn't make any sense. Even at first I'd offer his enclosure back in case he didn't know how to go back up and find it. He would put his head in and then nope, he wanted to come right back out and do his missions. His room is so much warmer than where he used to be (the living room), the room itself is at 77-80 degrees, it gets hot in there when he's out as I turn the heated blanket on, then add my laptop and monitor's heat and my body heat and it's nice and toasty in there. Hopefully he will eat tonight, he seemed semi-interested last time I tried feeding him. Like Brian Barczyk said, each animal is different, my little Crowley has been an explorer all his life and that's what he likes, it's his way of life and changing it could be worse for him.

Here is the link to my comment and his reply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0v..._5SE1-Z4AaABAg

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When is the last time you saw Brian pull a ball python out for a “mission?” Let me answer that. He won’t. He has done multiple videos on why ball pythons thrive in smaller enclosures and rack systems. You aren’t dealing with a reticulated python or a water monitor. Try not to pick and choose things that make you feel better while burying your head in the sand. Also, I just fed my ball pythons today and we have had freezing temperatures over the last week... EVERY SINGLE ONE ate.


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Brian Barczyk takes snakes out all the time, even ball pythons, he has this place called the reptarium now where he takes out some ball pythons all the time and they do just fine. I can only give so much detail over a YouTube comment and he can only give so much of a specific answer as all animals are different as he said. This means some ball pythons will eat if it's cold, some like to fast for months at a time. He's not the only expert I've talked to, he was the one I was willing to give a screenshot about because he's posting publicly for anyone to be able to see. I like to protect others identities as I don't want these people getting attacked like I do.

I've mentioned multiple times I'm not looking for advice in this thread, just simply showing Crowley's progress. If you don't have anything nice to say then just don't say it at all, I'd like this thread to stay open as I would like to continue giving updates about Crowley. I am done answering silly questions that I've tried to explain over and over.

Please be respectful, if you don't have something nice to say just don't say it at all. These latest comments are clearly attacks on me (not from everyone but many) for doing things differently. Even a moderator chimed in and said to leave me alone.

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Originally Posted by Valyndris

Brian Barczyk takes snakes out all the time, even ball pythons, he has this place called the reptarium now where he takes out some ball pythons all the time and they do just fine. I can only give so much detail over a YouTube comment and he can only give so much of a specific answer as all animals are different as he said. This means some ball pythons will eat if it's cold, some like to fast for months at a time. He's not the only expert I've talked to, he was the one I was willing to give a screenshot about because he's posting publicly for anyone to be able to see. I like to protect others identities as I don't want these people getting attacked like I do.

I've mentioned multiple times I'm not looking for advice in this thread, just simply showing Crowley's progress. If you don't have anything nice to say then just don't say it at all, I'd like this thread to stay open as I would like to continue giving updates about Crowley. I am done answering silly questions that I've tried to explain over and over.

Please be respectful, if you don't have something nice to say just don't say it at all. These latest comments are clearly attacks on me (not from everyone but many) for doing things differently. Even a moderator chimed in and said to leave me alone.

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Would you rather us comment on the thread that your snake completely "spazzed out" due to its environment? Or maybe on the thread where you were "massaging" the animal and it was flinching because it didn't like to be grabbed because that's what they associate a predator with? Taking a BP out to handle it and sending it on "missions" that YOU want it to accomplish are two very different things..

Let us know..

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Originally Posted by Mommabear.Yoli

This entire thread gives me the most anxiety I've ever had. I need a Xanax just to read it. It's just watching people talk to a brick wall over and over again ! She isn't gonna change, and the snake will die and she will start a new thread about sorrows and sadness and want all the support of the forum. It's rediculous to think a snake wants anything other to be fed and left alone. People are crazy. Women are nuts . Let's just hope there are no actual children involved in this person's care.

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I am a quiet member. I usually only comment on peeps pictures and such. I leave the "you should do this and that" comments for others. I do have to say though that this comment is rude, mean hearted. Comments like this will scare people from wanting to post question for the fear of ridicule. Thats a shame.

I just hope you don't expect us to take time out of our days to help you next time. And trust me, there will be a next time.

Sorry Crowley. We tried.

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Originally Posted by Bodie

I am a quiet member. I usually only comment on peeps pictures and such. I leave the "you should do this and that" comments for others. I do have to say though that this comment is rude, mean hearted. Comments like this will scare people from wanting to post question for the fear of ridicule. Thats a shame.

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Please take some time and see the amount of comments and threads posted under this animal... I think you will understand then.. Everyone here is about helping the animals.. We aren't here to coddle owners in my opinion...

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Originally Posted by Moose84

Please take some time and see the amount of comments and threads posted under this animal... I think you will understand then.. Everyone here is about helping the animals.. We aren't here to coddle owners in my opinion...

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I have taken the time and I have read the others comments. I do understand. My issue is with the comment I quoted.... there was no help in it. It was mean. Especially the last sentence in that quote. That's all I have to say

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Originally Posted by Bodie

I am a quiet member. I usually only comment on peeps pictures and such. I leave the "you should do this and that" comments for others. I do have to say though that this comment is rude, mean hearted. Comments like this will scare people from wanting to post question for the fear of ridicule. Thats a shame.

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At the bottom of every post there is a report post button (triangle) you can report it, as in this case you probably should, just wanted to let people know they have that option. It's the little triangle in the lower left area next to the thanks and plus or minus R.

And I agree with you about certain people seem to lack common sense and let their emotions get the best of them. And some people seem to LOVE to argue. Believe me I have met some before joining this website. I can recognize them quickly. There are a few here. But many here are nice and they don't post much they get to the point they want to say and they move on. A lot of them have been here a long while. And will be here probably long after us Hot Shots have burned out.

Well I think we are done now, it's getting old, not like I did not warn anyone.

I would highly recommend that other threads do not turn like this one otherwise I won't be as nice and infraction will be the next step, learn to WALK AWAY and pick your battles, and if it bothers you that bad use the IGNORE feature