» Site Navigation
0 members and 693 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 47,180, 07-16-2025 at 05:30 PM.
» Today's Birthdays
» Stats
Members: 75,909
Threads: 249,110
Posts: 2,572,154
Top Poster: JLC (31,651)
|
-
Would this work ?
I still have time until next week, but I kind of put this together last night.
Again, little one is a Juvie, 10 gr.
Its kind of hard to see, but there is actually quite a bit of greenery in the back. I plan on keeping the moss in the coconut moist. there are feeding bowls on the ground as well as up on a ledge. The stick leads up to the ledge. I can also put a short toilet paper roll or some egg crate in the front, where it is more open, if its to exposed..
The only thing is that I need to take everything out to clean, but I would have to do that no matter how much or how little is in there. Its not hard to do, but the gecko would need to be out of it when I change paper towels.
Already got all the food, etc.
Thoughts?
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...websize/g7.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...websize/g6.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...websize/g5.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...websize/g1.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...websize/g3.jpg
by the way that LED light is a very dim blue battery powered light, won't be on all the time..
-
Looks like a good setup! Baby/young cresties do great in critter keepers. I had mine set up with cork bark flat and egg crates, they love to climb around. They also love to randomly jump into the void lol so keep a good eye on your lil one when out. They are faster than expected sometimes. Such adorable little guys.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril
Looks like a good setup! Baby/young cresties do great in critter keepers. I had mine set up with cork bark flat and egg crates, they love to climb around. They also love to randomly jump into the void lol so keep a good eye on your lil one when out. They are faster than expected sometimes. Such adorable little guys.
Yes, I'm wondering what to do with him when I clean the enclosure ? Or how to get him out easily (if possibly he doesn't want to, LOL)
I've seen someone build a little "jungle gym" with branches and greenery to put the geckos on while cleaning, but I'm afraid to turn around and ...no gecko!!! So perhaps another critter keeper?
Just HOW fast are they? Lets say one jumps off of me and lands on the floor or bed (I'll be low to ground) how fast can they take off? I have visions of them being as fast as the lizards outside, flash, they're gone !!!
Gosh, I'm such a newbie...
-
That's a perfect setup he will do good.
-
Yup, I used another empty critter keeper or deli cup to hold mine in when cleaning, you don't want to set him anywhere loose.
Pretty fast little scuttle butts. I had an incident that was almost bad, was sitting on floor and he jumped and zoomed off, I was able to leap over and cup my hand over him before my cat got there (cat was on it!). That was really scary as I hadn't expected the gecko to take off like that. What I started doing was taking him out in the bathroom and sitting in the tub, letting him jump and crawl all over me, to start gaining trust and so I could learn myself how they moved. (covered the drain of course) (I ended up donating mine to my herp society for a benefit for USARK a few years back). They are awesome geckos.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril
Yup, I used another empty critter keeper or deli cup to hold mine in when cleaning, you don't want to set him anywhere loose.
Pretty fast little scuttle butts. I had an incident that was almost bad, was sitting on floor and he jumped and zoomed off, I was able to leap over and cup my hand over him before my cat got there (cat was on it!). That was really scary as I hadn't expected the gecko to take off like that. What I started doing was taking him out in the bathroom and sitting in the tub, letting him jump and crawl all over me, to start gaining trust and so I could learn myself how they moved. (covered the drain of course) (I ended up donating mine to my herp society for a benefit for USARK a few years back). They are awesome geckos.
That's a great idea !! We'll be having bathtub time :)
With their sticky pads, can't they just run right up the side of the tub, though? Not that this would be such a tragedy, if I close the bathroom doors.
-
I've heard thunder can scare them?
I'm already sad for when he looses the tail. I will do all I can to make him keep it, but it seems that most times its inevitable that it comes off, sometimes even during shipping.
I live near a army installation that trains helicopter pilots and our house is right below one of their "copter highways". They can fly pretty low at times and it can get loud, plus a bunch right after another.
Hoping it won't scare him into dropping his tail.
OMG, he needs to come already, I'm driving myself nuts worrying about everything !!!! Now I remember how it is to be a newbie, LOL !!
-
Check out these geckos living all around my house
(only noticed them the past year, but seen quite a few !!!)
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...651231_n_1.jpg
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
I've heard thunder can scare them?
I'm already sad for when he looses the tail. I will do all I can to make him keep it, but it seems that most times its inevitable that it comes off, sometimes even during shipping.
I live near a army installation that trains helicopter pilots and our house is right below one of their "copter highways". They can fly pretty low at times and it can get loud, plus a bunch right after another.
Hoping it won't scare him into dropping his tail.
OMG, he needs to come already, I'm driving myself nuts worrying about everything !!!! Now I remember how it is to be a newbie, LOL !!
I have never had issues during storms whether it was with crested or other geckos.
As far as tail goes if he loses it's tail it will be purely cosmetic, no big deal, I had one losing it's tail once as I opened the deli cup upon receiving it, it happens not much you can do, but if you don't restrain him when handling (always keep you hand open and anticipate where he will jump and put your other hand in front of you) and if you don't breed him the chances are he will keep his tail.
Relax I know you will do well, the aprehensioon is normal when you own a new species.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Gahh I missed stuff!! Forgot to check back on this thread :ohmygod:Super excited for you!! It is SOOO hard waiting but it's all worth it in the end! The tank looks perfect, I had Pocket in something like that for a while :gj: Is he here yet? When are you expecting him? But most importantly: Do you have a name picked out?? :D
-
TOMORROW ....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lol
and no, no name yet. I'm SO nervous. I hope all goes well.
I usually have to meet an animal and then the name will come to me ;)
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
TOMORROW ....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lol
and no, no name yet. I'm SO nervous. I hope all goes well.
I usually have to meet an animal and then the name will come to me ;)
SO EXCITINGGGGGG!! I feel like I'm waiting with you lol. I'm always that way with names too :) I bet you'll barely sleep tonight [emoji23]
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
TOMORROW ....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lol
and no, no name yet. I'm SO nervous. I hope all goes well.
I usually have to meet an animal and then the name will come to me ;)
Try to get some rest and post pictures when the little guy arrives!
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
Looks great!!
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
No Gecko pictures yet, but here are some of his temporary enclosure. Until he eats and grows well, he will live in a smaller enclosure. Apparently they sometimes don't eat for weeks after moving, doesn't that sound familiar...:rolleyes: He also has 3 different kinds of food, since they are also quite picky. LOL
Enclosure looks great. As far as eating...usually one week to settle in and they are eating normally. And I don’t find the average crestie to really be that picky. Some have definite food preferences, but it’s not like they will eat nothing if you feed them something else. They are really pretty easy little geckos.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlededee
Enclosure looks great. As far as eating...usually one week to settle in and they are eating normally. And I don’t find the average crestie to really be that picky. Some have definite food preferences, but it’s not like they will eat nothing if you feed them something else. They are really pretty easy little geckos.
Well, I just ordered 4 more foods to try, LOL.
I think I have all the Pangea complete diets now and the Repashy Mango one he is used to, as well as the Repashy with bugs one. The Pangeas are the super small sizes, though, until I know what he likes.
He probably will end up being a picky one. Thanks to ME. LOL
Should I even bother to offer water in a dish? He has a double dish feeder on the bottom and a single one on a ledge up higher. Or should I put 3 different kinds of food in those ??
I just thought of something else, I read you should mist in the evening. But should I mist in the morning since he will arrive from a long journey and might be looking for water or be dried out a bit?
-
Quote:
Should I even bother to offer water in a dish? He has a double dish feeder on the bottom and a single one on a ledge up higher. Or should I put 3 different kinds of food in those ?
I just thought of something else, I read you should mist in the evening. But should I mist in the morning since he will arrive from a long journey and might be looking for water or be dried out a bit
Crested gecko will drink droplets from your daily misting they will also drink from a water dish if given the opportunity. Many people I know who breed geckos do not provide one but I do.
As for misting you can mist anytime, depending on where you live you might have to mist twice daily.
-
His habitat looks great! What a lucky fella!
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
So, the Gecko has landed! He is beautifull [emoji4]
I couldn't get good pictures because I needed both hands as he kept jumping from one to another. Didn't want to stress him out by trying.
He does have a little bit of shed stuck on him..mainly on upper arms. Breeder said to leave it for now and if still on there in a week or so to spray him down, put him in the deli cup and then try to take it off with tweezers.
Hope it comes off by itself. I don't look forward having to restrain him to pick off shed. Don't want him to hate me or drop the tail..
Well here he is [emoji16]
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8d7732778c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4ed10d3670.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...210e5d1be1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a258fdec72.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7db8f488bf.jpg
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
He's gorgeous - congratulations!!!
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
:0 Beautiful!!! Those colors are amazing!! So glad hes finally with you! CONGRATULATIONS[emoji7][emoji173][emoji3][emoji16][emoji323][emoji322][emoji312]
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
I also blame her for being awesome!!!! She tries to help everyone!!!
-
yay, he kept his tail!!!!
CONGRATS, ZINA!!!!!!!!!!!! :gj: :pinkele:
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyrivers
I also blame her for being awesome!!!! She tries to help everyone!!!
That she does !!! :)
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by tttaylorrr
yay, he kept his tail!!!!
CONGRATS, ZINA!!!!!!!!!!!! :gj: :pinkele:
So when are you getting one? Comeon, I need a partner on this journey, LOL !!!
Well, so many loose their tails at one time or another, so it will probably happen one day. I will be so sad..:tears:
and a bit freaked out, the way those tails keep moving once off, freakkyyyy :O
I just wish I didn't have that shed to deal with, I rather not mess with him right away, but I know stuck shed should come off! If I hold on to him to pick it off, he might loose his tail :tears:
He did have some on his toes, but that seemed to come off in the deli cup during shipping and a tiny piece I held my thumb on as he walked and jumped and it came off.
Right now he is chilling in the same corner he started out with, poor thing probably had a awful and scary night. Now everything is new, new home, new sounds and that big face staring at him every so often :D
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
So when are you getting one? Comeon, I need a partner on this journey, LOL !!!
stooooooop...do you know how hard it was for me at NARBC!??!
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
I LOVE the colors!!! [emoji7][emoji7][emoji7]
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Well, wouldn't you know it. He already ate! He spent up to now in a corner of his little cage and finally got brave enough to move a bit. He found the ledge and after thinking about it for a minute and looking around..he dipped his little face into to the dish and ate.
I tried to lift my phone and get a picture without disturbing him. But it's dark and you can just see his outline on the ledge. Plus he must have sensed me and just looked up at me. As soon as I put the phone down he put his head into the dish again and ate a bunch more
The food he went for was the repashy with bugs. Which smelled the least appealing to me. He is still on the ledge and watching me with his huge eyes. Even though it's dark and I hardly move. He knows. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a238698b6f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b1234f3e88.jpg[emoji4]
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
Well, I just ordered 4 more foods to try, LOL.
I think I have all the Pangea complete diets now and the Repashy Mango one he is used to, as well as the Repashy with bugs one. The Pangeas are the super small sizes, though, until I know what he likes.
He probably will end up being a picky one. Thanks to ME. LOL
Should I even bother to offer water in a dish? He has a double dish feeder on the bottom and a single one on a ledge up higher. Or should I put 3 different kinds of food in those ??
I just thought of something else, I read you should mist in the evening. But should I mist in the morning since he will arrive from a long journey and might be looking for water or be dried out a bit?
Yes, provide a water dish. I think it is always wise to have water available in a dish. There will not always be water droplets available from misting (and if there are you are keeping it way too wet) and you want them to be able to drink as much as they want, whenever they want. And they shouldn't have to work for it by chasing droplets around. I usually mist at night, but I really don't think it matters that much if you are offering a water dish.
Offer one type of food at a time. You don't need to give him multiple choices all at once--they don't eat enough in one day to need choices. I would stick with one flavor for a few weeks at a time and see how it goes. If he isn't eating much, try something else. You should be able to tell a difference in consumption if he has a preference. Some geckos eat all the flavors, some have favorites. But don't switch it up every day or you are going to complicate things and make a picky monster. :P
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlededee
Yes, provide a water dish. I think it is always wise to have water available in a dish. There will not always be water droplets available from misting (and if there are you are keeping it way too wet) and you want them to be able to drink as much as they want, whenever they want. And they shouldn't have to work for it by chasing droplets around. I usually mist at night, but I really don't think it matters that much if you are offering a water dish.
Offer one type of food at a time. You don't need to give him multiple choices all at once--they don't eat enough in one day to need choices. I would stick with one flavor for a few weeks at a time and see how it goes. If he isn't eating much, try something else. You should be able to tell a difference in consumption if he has a preference. Some geckos eat all the flavors, some have favorites. But don't switch it up every day or you are going to complicate things and make a picky monster. :P
I bought the smallest size of different flavors to figure out what he may like. This one forum I'm on keeps making me nervous about doing things very particular and all the things that can go wrong. They talk a lot about the Geckos not eating well or taking a while to eat at all.
Well..little piglet just ate. LOL. I will stop offer so many things and stick with something. I would like if he eats a food that has some bugs in it. Finding crickets and such is not that easy around here, but I will try. He just ate the repashy with Grubs, which doesn't smell that good to me [emoji1]
I see you human! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3c5ca2aa4a.jpg
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Omg! SQUEEEE! So darn cute! SQUEEEE! Lol
-
Well, someone had himself a party last night..
Definitely found the bottom 2 food dishes, as evidenced by food smears all over the enclosure as well as a Gecko sleeping with his butt halfway in one of those food dishes.
A cleaning of the enclosure will have to be done at least by tomorrow !
I don't want to handle him much at all yet, but I will have to remove him to clean up the mess he made as well as get fresh food made and put into the enclosure. It will give give me a chance to check on that stuck shed as well as weigh him. I'll just weigh him in the deli cup, and then weigh the empty deli cup, less handling!
So far the name choices are:
Loki (Loco Loki)
Gizmo
and... I'm out of ideas! lol..
I might have to wait until I've had him for a while and can get some good looks as well as observe his personality..
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...62901196_n.jpg
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
Well, someone had himself a party last night..
Definitely found the bottom 2 food dishes, as evidenced by food smears all over the enclosure as well as a Gecko sleeping with his butt halfway in one of those food dishes.
A cleaning of the enclosure will have to be done at least by tomorrow !
I don't want to handle him much at all yet, but I will have to remove him to clean up the mess he made as well as get fresh food made and put into the enclosure. It will give give me a chance to check on that stuck shed as well as weigh him. I'll just weigh him in the deli cup, and then weigh the empty deli cup, less handling!
So far the name choices are:
Loki (Loco Loki)
Gizmo
and... I'm out of ideas! lol..
I might have to wait until I've had him for a while and can get some good looks as well as observe his personality..
http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...62901196_n.jpg
Lol Loki is one of my ferrets names and Gizmo is my lion hair bunny’s name lol
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
Definitely found the bottom 2 food dishes, as evidenced by food smears all over the enclosure as well as a Gecko sleeping with his butt halfway in one of those food dishes.
Welcome to gecko ownership! haha
Yeah no reason to offer 3 types of food at all once although that's super cute how worried you are. Spoiled little man, he's awesome looking!
I never had any issues with my 2 geckos eating right away. I offered them rhepashy and the occasional cricket (you'll probably hear mixed reviews on offering them bugs).
Breeder gave you good advise about the shed.
:gj::gj:
-
Well, I guess I'll have water in one of those food dishes.
This way he can also "rinse" his booty. ;)
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
This one forum I'm on keeps making me nervous about doing things very particular and all the things that can go wrong. They talk a lot about the Geckos not eating well or taking a while to eat at all.
That's because they are beginners that don't have much experience in actually keeping multiple crested geckos. It's really not difficult at all. You have already seen that with your little one eating right away. And he even made a painting for you on the first night. Good job new crestie momma :)
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
And no problems in the poop department either. Between the finger painting, pooping and literally sitting in his food I ended up taking him out to put him in a deli cup with wet paper towel while I cleaned Mr. Messy's apartment.
He is quite calm. I didn't handle him other then to transport him but I did try to pick some stuck shed off of him after his humid stay in the deli cup. I just held one hand over the Cup and worked with the other. He actually handled that well, but it's really stuck and I only got a bit off. Just have to hope it will come off with the next shed. I don't want him to loose trust by picking on him.
He weighs 11 grams. So tiny [emoji4]
And here is the cutie, clean Butt and all [emoji6]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...682e0511a2.jpg
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Put him in a deli cup with sopping wet paper towels on the bottom and let him soak for 30 minutes (make sure the cup is tall enough that he has room to keep his head up off of the wet paper towels). Then use a wet q-tip to swipe the stuck shed off. Sometimes you have to take them out of the deli cup and let them dry out for a few minutes before the shed will come off effectively. But one or two times doing that should get it off. I don't see any shed in that last photo of yours that needs immediate action though--stuck shed on toes and tails needs to be dealt with pretty quickly in growing geckos to avoid issues.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlededee
Put him in a deli cup with sopping wet paper towels on the bottom and let him soak for 30 minutes (make sure the cup is tall enough that he has room to keep his head up off of the wet paper towels). Then use a wet q-tip to swipe the stuck shed off. Sometimes you have to take them out of the deli cup and let them dry out for a few minutes before the shed will come off effectively. But one or two times doing that should get it off. I don't see any shed in that last photo of yours that needs immediate action though--stuck shed on toes and tails needs to be dealt with pretty quickly in growing geckos to avoid issues.
I will keep him in there longer next time, I just wish I didn't have to torture him like that :( that skin was stuck !! he let me tug on it a bit but I could see it pull up his good skin. Didn't want to tear anything. He was so good through it. Couple times he seemed irritated, but never got crazy or mad. But I didn't want to hurt him.
Its just around his upper arms, doesn't encircle the entire upper arm, more around the arm pit and a thin stripe going down the ribs.
Would that come off with the next shed ?
I will try again, though, but probably give him the day off tomorrow, he is such a chill and already somewhat trusting guy (not spazzy) I want to keep it that way, but if it needs to come off, I will work on it harder !
-
It's probably not critical that you get it off right away. As long as it doesn't constrict the arm, and it doesn't sound like it does. If it doesn't come off the after one round in the deli cup I would leave it be until the next shed. Maybe mist a little bit extra until then, but not to the point that it is always wet in the enclosure (you still want a wet/dry cycle). It should come off with the next shed with good humidity.
-
Eeee, he's so cute! Those big eyes! He probably thought he hit the jackpot with such a nice cage and so many feeding choices, and just couldn't help celebrating. :D
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Ugh just too cute. Ive decided you must mail him to me. Jk lol. I vote Gizmo!
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
for a name i vote Copper but that's just me.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
...He weighs 11 grams. So tiny...
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
My baby is 4 grams [emoji23]
Name suggestion: Spooks
Idk just came to mind
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by GpBp
My baby is 4 grams [emoji23]
Name suggestion: Spooks
Idk just came to mind
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
Love the name, only it reminds me of spooking. And he is such a chill guy so far, LOL. Doesn't seem to get startled or upset easily. I hope it stays that way, I'm really upset that I have to pick on him over the stuck shed, not how I wanted to start our relation ship. Thankfully the stuck shed isn't anywhere on his body where it could cause problems, so I'm trying not to worry to much about it.
I see a little dent in his food, so I think he ate again last night, although I didn't get to see it this time. He wasn't moving around until I went to bed.
Now he is chilling in his leaves again ;)
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
First off, ADORABLE!!
He looks like a leaf so maybe Leif
Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by c0r3yr0s3
First off, ADORABLE!!
He looks like a leaf so maybe Leif
Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
okay i REALLY like that name and spelling.
-
Re: Yeah, I also blame Deborah!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zina10
Love the name, only it reminds me of spooking. And he is such a chill guy so far, LOL. Doesn't seem to get startled or upset easily. I hope it stays that way, I'm really upset that I have to pick on him over the stuck shed, not how I wanted to start our relation ship. Thankfully the stuck shed isn't anywhere on his body where it could cause problems, so I'm trying not to worry to much about it.
I see a little dent in his food, so I think he ate again last night, although I didn't get to see it this time. He wasn't moving around until I went to bed.
Now he is chilling in his leaves again ;)
I thought his orange/blackish colors reminded me of a certain time of year [emoji316]!
And good! I'm glad he's being good for you :) The guy I got Bea from gave him up because he was "too jumpy" and "very aggressive". He was skiddish when I got him, but now he's super calm. The owner said he liked him a lot other than that. Its just sad to see him get rid of an adorable little bugger due to behavior that can be corrected. ANGWAYs, glad your little man is doing good lol.
I wouldn't be worried about him not eating as much at first. Pocket slowly started touching his Pangea, now he's a beast when it comes to food [emoji23] Same Pangea, it just took him a sec to get used to.
I had to do something similar with Pocket when I first got him actually. He had a bit of stuck shed on his toes and tail. Long dory short, our relationship wasnt affected [emoji6] She knows I bring the food and thats all she cares about lol.
Sorry for comparing it to my geckos a lot!! I dont know how else to say it, this is just my limited experience.
Sent from my LG-TP260 using Tapatalk
-
|