New Burm! "Dexter " the Pearl Burmese python progression thread

In transit! Fedex guaranteed by 1030 am tomorrow! :please::D

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Setup your phone and record it then later on you can transfer it to a youtube link or any other video thing.


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I think I have to run it into my desktop to do so, otherwise the file compresses and looks terrible if I email it to myself.

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I think I have to run it into my desktop to do so, otherwise the file compresses and looks terrible if I email it to myself.

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You'll have to Download Taptalk so its easy to post progress pics and post to the forum from your phone. It makes it like Social Networking apps


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Well Kevin today is the big day for you....congrats! An update on your snakes brother, Loki. I couldn't be happier. Loki has settled in even more so over the last 2 months. Has gained 160 grams being fed a very strict once a week diet. He outgrew his rat pups relatively fast, so now he gets 2 per feeding. He has shed 3 times since 12/16/17. I'm extremely happy with his growth rate and he doesn't carry a bit of fat. My entire family has really became attached to him and his temperament is excellent. The last time my Burm hissed was on day 2 that I had him. I hope your Burm has the same personality as mine does and I don't see any reason why he shouldn't. Once again congratulations and I can almost feel your excitement here in Kansas. By the way, I'm going to see Larry next month, can't wait to tell him about meeting you and our 2 Burms.

I have some enclosure rearranging/installing to do today but I'll be checking in on my Coffee breaks later. Really excited for you. [emoji1360]


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Thanks for the encouragement Momo! Im stoked that your little guy is doing well and that hes in great health! Definately mention this to Larry Im sure he would like it.

Should be any minute now CALM! Fedex scared the s... out of me this morning because the tracking info wasnt updated and it showed that he was in Memphis, TN on a shipping delay and its supposed to be cold tomorrow.:O.....then it finally updated lol. Pacing the house since 730 am lol.

Congrats! :) I was so excited for mine I drove 4 hours into the middle of nowhere to pick her up! I really did NOT want to wait for shipping haha

Oh! Just saw the updates on this thread!

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Thanks for the encouragement Momo! Im stoked that your little guy is doing well and that hes in great health! Definately mention this to Larry Im sure he would like it.

Should be any minute now CALM! Fedex scared the s... out of me this morning because the tracking info wasnt updated and it showed that he was in Memphis, TN on a shipping delay and its supposed to be cold tomorrow.:O.....then it finally updated lol. Pacing the house since 730 am lol.

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I think we all know the feeling (the anticipation, the pacing, etc.). Can't wait to hear good news and see pictures!

Good luck!

Let me introduce to you all.....Dexter. :D What a calm, well mannered little boy!!!! No hissing, no musk, no defensive posture. Perfect health and toasty warm upon arrival.He is cruising his new cage without a care in the world as I type this. Dr. Larry's reptiles.....thank you!

....and thank you all for being here for this big moment!

CALM....special thanks for your extra help buddy.

I have a good unboxing video that I will post as soon as I can

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Omg...how cute is he!!! Congrats [emoji4]


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what a tiny little worm!!! so cute! congrats! :clap:
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Let me introduce to you all.....Dexter. :D What a calm, well mannered little boy!!!! No hissing, no musk, no defensive posture. Perfect health and toasty warm upon arrival.He is cruising his new cage without a care in the world as I type this. Dr. Larry's reptiles.....thank you!

....and thank you all for being here for this big moment!

CALM....special thanks for your extra help buddy.

I have a good unboxing video that I will post as soon as I can

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Omg what a cutie hahahahaha. I feakin love it. Thats one good lookin Boy right there and thats so cool he isnt being wild. Thats just how most were back in the 90's, laid back. To many snappy hatchlings these days. Congrats Bro [emoji1362][emoji1362][emoji1362][emoji1362]


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Omg...how cute is he!!! Congrats [emoji4]


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Thanks Zina! Definately a little pudgy lol, Im convinced he's out searching for a rat in his new enclosure already, doesnt even care about his hides.

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what a tiny little worm!!! so cute! congrats! :clap:
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He is! Going to explode in size once he gets on a normal feeding schedule shortly though. Thanks Taylor!

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Omg what a cutie hahahahaha. I feakin love it. Thats one good lookin Boy right there and thats so cool he isnt being wild. Thats just how most were back in the 90's, laid back. To many snappy hatchlings these days. Congrats Bro [emoji1362][emoji1362][emoji1362][emoji1362]


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I reached my hand into that shipping bag like it had a loaded mousetrap on the bottom of it:rofl:.....and he never made any sign of aggression! Awesome! Thanks man!

The hardest part will be leaving him alone as he settles in though. :tears:

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I reached my hand into that shipping bag like it had a loaded mousetrap on the bottom of it:rofl:.....and he never made any sign of aggression! Awesome! Thanks man!

The hardest part will be leaving him alone as he settles in though. :tears:

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He looks awesome and I'm guessing a similar age to my female Pearl - she hatched in August.

My girl is also really chilled, rarely hisses and has never struck.

Perhaps their docility has something to do with Pearl genetics if most hatchlings are snappy?

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Originally Posted by Valaryan

He looks awesome and I'm guessing a similar age to my female Pearl - she hatched in August.

My girl is also really chilled, rarely hisses and has never struck.

Perhaps their docility has something to do with Pearl genetics if most hatchlings are snappy?

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I think it has to do with what a breeder is breeding. The problem I see with Breeders is only breeding for morphs and not temperaments. Like the Dog problems. 20 years ago there weren't all these people trying to make all these different colors.. Now for instance Jay Brewer hatches thousands and thousands of snakes and the temperament of the snake has not a thing to do with it. In 1991 through 1998 when I got my first 2 Burms there was NO striking from any of the ones I looked at or saw others purchase.. Lots of noise but no striking.


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Very nice Kevin and congrats. I've got Loki on my lap right now and tried to show him his brother. He flicked his tongue a couple of times and then acted like if it ain't a rat get outta here and went back to relaxing. Lol. Having had a Burm some 3 decades ago and again now, there isn't any such thing as holding them too much. Mine at this point will explore for about 5 minutes when I first get him out then it's lap dog time for him. The only battle I ever have with him is putting him back in his cage. It's like hey man what did I do wrong to get put up. Lol. You are in for a lot of fun and enjoyment with Dexter. Oh and of course a growth rate unlike you have ever seen. Dexter will give you the hey I'm hungry act after you feed him then a day or two after you feed him. Not striking but highly interested in you coming close to the cage. Don't give in. Feed him appropriate sized meals once every 5 to 7 days and your snake will grow happily and healthy. I alternate around on my days between feedings. Something I've always done to mimic the uncertanties a snake would face in the wild and to prevent any possible patterns or habits.

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Very nice Kevin and congrats. I've got Loki on my lap right now and tried to show him his brother. He flicked his tongue a couple of times and then acted like if it ain't a rat get outta here and went back to relaxing. Lol. Having had a Burm some 3 decades ago and again now, there isn't any such thing as holding them too much. Mine at this point will explore for about 5 minutes when I first get him out then it's lap dog time for him. The only battle I ever have with him is putting him back in his cage. It's like hey man what did I do wrong to get put up. Lol. You are in for a lot of fun and enjoyment with Dexter. Oh and of course a growth rate unlike you have ever seen. Dexter will give you the hey I'm hungry act after you feed him then a day or two after you feed him. Not striking but highly interested in you coming close to the cage. Don't give in. Feed him appropriate sized meals once every 5 to 7 days and your snake will grow happily and healthy. I alternate around on my days between feedings. Something I've always done to mimic the uncertanties a snake would face in the wild and to prevent any possible patterns or habits.

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So cool! The night drop temperature kicked in on my thermostat and he was DEFINATELY out cruising for rats lol. Its amazing how food-driven they are.Very neat to talk to the owner of his brother, small world! I often thought it would be neat to have a database from a clutch to see where they all end up.....almost like an ancestry site for snakes! I plan on 7 days between feedings for at least six months, and then examine his size at that point to determine if I should then bump it to two weeks (as suggested by CALM). Some of the healthiest looking adult Burms Ive seen are on 3-4 week feeding schedules once they hit the rabbit stage so I want to do that when he's full grown. The feeding info is all over the place though, some keepers feed weekly right up into the adult stage....but it seems like you can run into some weight problems if you do that. 3 weeks at adult stage seems optimal....but thats a long ways away.

I actually might start out here doing 5 day increments though because Larry was maintenance feeding him Im sure to keep a bunch of Burm hatchlings from outgrowing the rack space. Thanks for the suggestion!

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So cool! The night drop temperature kicked in on my thermostat and he was DEFINATELY out cruising for rats lol. Its amazing how food-driven they are.Very neat to talk to the owner of his brother, small world! I often thought it would be neat to have a database from a clutch to see where they all end up.....almost like an ancestry site for snakes! I plan on 7 days between feedings for at least six months, and then examine his size at that point to determine if I should then bump it to two weeks (as suggested by CALM). Some of the healthiest looking adult Burms Ive seen are on 3-4 week feeding schedules once they hit the rabbit stage so I want to do that when he's full grown. The feeding info is all over the place though, some keepers feed weekly right up into the adult stage....but it seems like you can run into some weight problems if you do that. 3 weeks at adult stage seems optimal....but thats a long ways away.

I actually might start out here doing 5 day increments though because Larry was maintenance feeding him Im sure to keep a bunch of Burm hatchlings from outgrowing the rack space. Thanks for the suggestion!

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The growth rate on these guys is no joke. Here's my girl when I brought her home on December 17th 2017:
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I've been feeding her a rat weaner once a week.

Here she's is now two months later, it's ridiculous lol:
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The growth rate on these guys is no joke.

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Thats awesome! Its actually exciting because as much as I love my Jungle Carpet girl, the growth rate is SOO slow and she is fed very well. I bought my Burm for a few reasons but size is one of them! Cant wait!

Me too. I was going to get a boa because I thought a burm would be to much but when I saw adults in person I just had to have one :D

Wow, Kevin that growth is insane! :O

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The growth rate on these guys is no joke. Here's my girl when I brought her home on December 17th 2017:
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I've been feeding her a rat weaner once a week.

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Jesus, you're right, they do grow quick! I can see why they became such a problem so quickly when people were releasing them into the everglades... Im glad there are people out there who are willing to do the research and take care of these guys, because even though they get big, they are quite beautiful.

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Wow, Kevin that growth is insane! :O

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Was that message for me? My name's Jamie lol.

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Was that message for me? My name's Jamie lol.

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Oops :oops:, sorry Val, had a Blonde Senior moment. :)

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The feeding schedule you are aiming for sounds really good. The 5 days in between feedings are almost over here for me. Just like yours, mine needed just a tad of a boost. Probably will go to a 7 to 9 schedule in the very near future with mine. As long as Loki keeps shedding every 3 to 4 weeks I feel he is at a healthy pace. The database you refered to would be pretty cool and I agree it is a small world.

I convinced the little guy to eat his first frozen thawed rat pup with me tonight!

He was on live pups from the breeder so I figured it was going to be a little bit of a challenge to make the transition. Well, he would approach the pup on the tongs super fast like he wanted it....but then he wouldnt strike. After about five minutes I wasnt having luck so I tried something that used to work with BP hatchlings I had years ago....annoy him slightly. It doesnt always work, but sometimes ....it does.

Rubbed the rat slightly against him.....aaaaaaand? Presto! He gave a lethargic bite to it, gave a slow wrap around it and took it! Almost as if to say "Well its not what I wanted but it will work". Get used to it pal, live feeders arent very convenient for me :D....but I love ya lol

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I convinced the little guy to eat his first frozen thawed rat pup with me tonight!

He was on live pups from the breeder so I figured it was going to be a little bit of a challenge to make the transition. Well, he would approach the pup on the tongs super fast like he wanted it....but then he wouldnt strike. After about five minutes I wasnt having luck so I tried something that used to work with BP hatchlings I had years ago....annoy him slightly. It doesnt always work, but sometimes ....it does.

Rubbed the rat slightly against him.....aaaaaaand? Presto! He gave a lethargic bite to it, gave a slow wrap around it and took it! Almost as if to say "Well its not what I wanted but it will work". Get used to it pal, live feeders arent very convenient for me :D....but I love ya lol

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Excellent !!

Maybe try the hairdryer method to heat the rat seconds before you dangle it in front of him ... if he took a cold rat you'd better watch yourself with a warmed up one :)


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Excellent !!

Maybe try the hairdryer method to heat the rat seconds before you dangle it in front of him ... if he took a cold rat you'd better watch yourself with a warmed up one :)


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It was warm, I defrost in luke warm water then let the rat sit in warmer water before drying it off quickly and offering it. I think he was just a little confused because it smelled correct but didn't look exactly the same to what he's used to seeing lol. But boy........did he put the squeeze on it!! I glanced at it before he was eating and he crushed it!

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It was warm, I defrost in luke warm water then let the rat sit in warmer water before drying it off quickly and offering it. I think he was just a little confused because it smelled correct but didn't look exactly the same to what he's used to seeing lol. But boy........did he put the squeeze on it!! I glanced at it before he was eating and he crushed it!

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I have 125 frozen Xl mice in my freezer because someone asked me to order them and never paid me so I've thought about trying to feed them off but haven't tried FT in the 30 years ive had snakes. The stories of oozing rat guts and liquid all over the snakes & substrate disgusts me so i just cant do it. Lol


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I have 125 frozen Xl mice in my freezer because someone asked me to order them and never paid me so I've thought about trying to feed them off but haven't tried FT in the 30 years ive had snakes. The stories of oozing rat guts and liquid all over the snakes & substrate disgusts me so i just cant do it. Lol


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I had a female Hog Island boa (that I technically still own but on loan for breeding purposes) a few years ago that was bit pretty bad by a medium/large live feeder so that is the reason why I won't get near live feeders when I have the choice. It happened under my supervision too, not an unattended feeding story like you see occasionally. Left her with a sizable chunk out of her side that had to be sutured shut and had to have a blood test done on top of it.....over $400 in medical expenses and the vet gave me a smoking good deal on it all because he felt bad.

It's rare, SUPER rare in fact but I won't go down that road anymore.....not to mention keeping and storing live feeders just doesn't work for me personally. I'm not within a decent distance to pull that off, I raised my own at one point and just didn't like it, the smell, the amount of surplus you're always trying to get rid of, tubs being eaten through. No thanks lol. It is nice though because NOTHING convinces them to feed like a live rodent. Ironically, I've never had a f/t pop on me.

When I did raise my own I felt like I was Menards #1 customer of concrete/mortar tubs because they would eat though them all the time....and Vision is INSANE with the price that they want for their rodent tubs.

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I had a female Hog Island boa (that I technically still own but on loan for breeding purposes) a few years ago that was bit pretty bad by a medium/large live feeder so that is the reason why I won't get near live feeders when I have the choice. It happened under my supervision too, not an unattended feeding story like you see occasionally. Left her with a sizable chunk out of her side that had to be sutured shut and had to have a blood test done on top of it.....over $400 in medical expenses and the vet gave me a smoking good deal on it all because he felt bad.

It's rare, SUPER rare in fact but I won't go down that road anymore.....not to mention keeping and storing live feeders just doesn't work for me personally. I'm not within a decent distance to pull that off, I raised my own at one point and just didn't like it, the smell, the amount of surplus you're always trying to get rid of, tubs being eaten through. No thanks lol. It is nice though because NOTHING convinces them to feed like a live rodent. Ironically, I've never had a f/t pop on me.

When I did raise my own I felt like I was Menards #1 customer of concrete/mortar tubs because they would eat though them all the time....and Vision is INSANE with the price that they want for their rodent tubs.

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Yeah I gas mine. They are kept in 40 Gallon Breeders and I made a CO2 chamber.. They take them no prob because they are still warm and I drop them right in... Its a Pain to raise them but I have it down pretty good to where it isnt much work. I gotta say ive noticed my well fed rodents helped the growth of my snakes. I wish I could get passed the FT thing. It sure would save time and money.


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There's also the problem of parasites in live feeders. Freezing kills them off.

Yup I dont buy live. I breed my own and got the originals from a professional Breeder that has the rats tested as he cant sell to Store chains without it. Since the Rat fever case years ago all the Rodents sold in Chain stores "at least by law in this state" have standards. As far as Parasites i can have fecal done easily... With all that said I wish I could feed the FT like i was saying because breeding correctly and feeding correctly cost a lot more.


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Yup I dont buy live. I breed my own and got the originals from a professional Breeder that has the rats tested as he cant sell to Store chains without it. Since the Rat fever case years ago all the Rodents sold in Chain stores "at least by law in this state" have standards. As far as Parasites i can have fecal done easily... With all that said I wish I could feed the FT like i was saying because breeding correctly and feeding correctly cost a lot more.


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Jesus, I just read up on rat bite fever. Someone tried to sue Petco after their son died from a rat bite after buying it from them. Nah man, frozen thawed for me all the way. It's illegal to feed live vertebrates in the UK anyway.

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Jesus, I just read up on rat bite fever. Someone tried to sue Petco after their son died from a rat bite after buying it from them. Nah man, frozen thawed for me all the way. It's illegal to feed live vertebrates in the UK anyway.

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Thats a odd law to me, thats nature hahahaha. Then again there are a lot of crazy laws too here, we will never know how some of these things get passed hahaha.


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Thats a odd law to me, thats nature hahahaha. Then again there are a lot of crazy laws too here, we will never know how some of these things get passed hahaha.


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The legislation is the Animal Welfare Act 2006. In the UK it's illegal to cause any undue suffering to a vertebrate due to them having an advanced central nervous system and capacity to feel pain and fear.

If you can feed a snake a prey item that has been humanely euthanized then there's no real need to feed live and cause undue pain to the prey animal.

However if live feeding is the only way a snake will feed then I believe there is an exception the law takes account of.

Exposing an animal to a predator isn't seen legally as a humane way to euthanize in the UK unless absolutely necessary. I agree with this.

You could say snakes are exposed to parasites and other predators in nature but we wouldn't do it ha ha.

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The legislation is the Animal Welfare Act 2006. In the UK it's illegal to cause any undue suffering to a vertebrate due to them having an advanced central nervous system and capacity to feel pain and fear.

If you can feed a snake a prey item that has been humanely euthanized then there's no real need to feed live and cause undue pain to the prey animal.

However if live feeding is the only way a snake will feed then I believe there is an exception the law takes account of.

Exposing an animal to a predator isn't seen legally as a humane way to euthanize in the UK unless absolutely necessary. I agree with this.

You could say snakes are exposed to parasites and other predators in nature but we wouldn't do it ha ha.

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I am an animal guy so everything you said I agree with. I actually spent quite a bit of time with my breeding Rats. :)


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Finally have the unboxing video up guys....not the greatest, but whatever, it works.

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Finally have the unboxing video up guys....not the greatest, but whatever, it works.

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Wont play?


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Finally have the unboxing video up guys....not the greatest, but whatever, it works.

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Ohh it plays as long as you dont try and click the Pic. Gotta click under where writing is.


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So he sat in the same exact spot for about a half hour tonight. Quite the confident, social little guy!

Wow, this time i saw more snake than box!!! I dont know what to say :P

Nice looking snake.

Psh! Yeah my camera skills need work :P Getting better though!

Awsome. Nothing compares to a burm. They are just cool social snakes who become so docile and inquisitive they make a great pet.


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So, now it appears that old Dex has realized he's being fed F/T instead of live.....he's not constricting anymore and just eating his rats after I leave them in the cage a few minutes! He ate two pups last night (what I had left) and he's making the transition to smalls next week. Hopefully a larger rat will convince him to actually strike.

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So, now it appears that old Dex has realized he's being fed F/T instead of live.....he's not constricting anymore and just eating his rats after I leave them in the cage a few minutes! He ate two pups last night (what I had left) and he's making the transition to smalls next week. Hopefully a larger rat will convince him to actually strike.

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Mine were taking fresh kill and eating them like a dog, i loved it. Id rather they didn't strike.. However nobody has done that in 2 months now.. Not sure what happened but Ohh Well.


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