bunch of general hognose questions before purchasing!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

If they all eat F/T without a doubt I would go with the Albino, it's visually the most attractive and it will remain the most attractive in the future.

She is high orange and will maintain her colors very well.

To give you an idea here is a high orange hatchling in adulthood at 550+ grams

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The best mutations as far as appeal IMO are Albino, Axanthic, and Snow and the same in Conda and Super Conda version

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its definitely pretty, i really wanted an arctic but definitely couldnt afford it. this was my first option cause i also love axanthic. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5a940bf284.jpg


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Originally Posted by baldegale

its definitely pretty, i really wanted an arctic but definitely couldnt afford it. this was my first option cause i also love axanthic. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5a940bf284.jpg


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If you like axanthic an axanthic from a recessive line will be more in your price range this coming season and too me they look better as adults IMO. (they keep more of their grey/silver color)

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the only question i have left now is a good place to buy bulk mice (pinkies), everywhere i look shipping is $35+ is that normal?


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Originally Posted by baldegale

the only question i have left now is a good place to buy bulk mice (pinkies), everywhere i look shipping is $35+ is that normal?


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Yes shipping F/T is very expensive and must be shipped with dry ice, unless you buy really large quantity of different sizes it's not always worth it for a snake buying from someone local or a show maybe a better option.

Hognose eat a lot generally speaking we are talking 2 to 3 feeding a weeks until they are 25 grams, 2 feeding until they are 75 to 100 grams and one feeding a week after that.

They will start showing some serious growth once they start feeding on ore meaningful prey (large fuzzy small hopper).

Over the years I have bought feeders from various place and my 2 favorite are perfect prey and american rodent supply (I tend not to buy from Rodent Pro)

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes shipping F/T is very expensive and must be shipped with dry ice, unless you buy really large quantity of different sizes it's not always worth it for a snake buying from someone local or a show maybe a better option.

Hognose eat a lot generally speaking we are talking 2 to 3 feeding a weeks until they are 25 grams, 2 feeding until they are 75 to 100 grams and one feeding a week after that.

They will start showing some serious growth once they start feeding on ore meaningful prey (large fuzzy small hopper).

Over the years I have bought feeders from various place and my 2 favorite are perfect prey and american rodent supply (I tend not to buy from Rodent Pro)

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i know buying in stores is generally really expensive, i was looking at both of those too. im still waiting to hear the exact weight but both the hogs im looking at are about 6-7 months old (hatched in july) so id assume that theyre 25+ g. i have no idea what size pinkies to purchase and how much because i figure if i buy 50 by the time im out shell be on a bigger size cause thats about 6 months worth of feeding so shell be a year old at hopefully 75-100 grams


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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes shipping F/T is very expensive and must be shipped with dry ice, unless you buy really large quantity of different sizes it's not always worth it for a snake buying from someone local or a show maybe a better option.

Hognose eat a lot generally speaking we are talking 2 to 3 feeding a weeks until they are 25 grams, 2 feeding until they are 75 to 100 grams and one feeding a week after that.

They will start showing some serious growth once they start feeding on ore meaningful prey (large fuzzy small hopper).

Over the years I have bought feeders from various place and my 2 favorite are perfect prey and american rodent supply (I tend not to buy from Rodent Pro)

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it looks like american rodent supply is cheaper than perfect prey buy like 10¢ per pinkie


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Originally Posted by baldegale

i know buying in stores is generally really expensive, i was looking at both of those too. im still waiting to hear the exact weight but both the hogs im looking at are about 6-7 months old (hatched in july) so id assume that theyre 25+ g. i have no idea what size pinkies to purchase and how much because i figure if i buy 50 by the time im out shell be on a bigger size cause thats about 6 months worth of feeding so shell be a year old at hopefully 75-100 grams


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Right now my holdbacks are about 12 to 20 grams, now if the animal you pick is 25 grams I would go ahead and order peach fuzzy to fuzzy and not pink.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Right now my holdbacks are about 12 to 20 grams, now if the animal you pick is 25 grams I would go ahead and order peach fuzzy to fuzzy and not pink.

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im sorry for asking so many questions at this point i know it’s probably becoming a bit much, but if its below 20 g should i still order the 50 pinks or would that be too much? then again i could always feed multiples until i run out


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Originally Posted by baldegale

im sorry for asking so many questions at this point i know it’s probably becoming a bit much, but if its below 20 g should i still order the 50 pinks or would that be too much? then again i could always feed multiples until i run out


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Don't worry about the questions ;) , it really depends on the weight if it's close to 20 grams that will be fine because you will soon ugrade to fuzzy, if you are closer to 10 grams you still have ways to go, but multiple can always be fed.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Don't worry about the questions ;) , it really depends on the weight if it's close to 20 grams that will be fine because you will soon ugrade to fuzzy, if you are closer to 10 grams you still have ways to go, but multiple can always be fed.

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off topic, but i checked your page on morph market and you have some beautiful BPs! ill definitely consider buying from you for my next snake [emoji175]


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Originally Posted by baldegale

off topic, but i checked your page on morph market and you have some beautiful BPs! ill definitely consider buying from you for my next snake [emoji175]


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i just purchased a Leopard Pastel Enchi het Pied from our own Deborah and i can't tell what's better: her animals or her customer service.

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i just purchased a Leopard Pastel Enchi het Pied from our own Deborah and i can't tell what's better: her animals or her customer service.

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i dont think theres a comparison.. theyre both amazing. wish i could get my hoggie from her to help support her tbh


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i dont think theres a comparison.. theyre both amazing. wish i could get my hoggie from her to help support her tbh


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plenty of time for more hoggies (or beeps) down the road [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

plenty of time for more hoggies (or beeps) down the road [emoji6]

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trust me if money wasnt an object and it wasnt for my parents, id be buying all 3 of the ones i wanted LOL and a BEL


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7327150901.jpg i just went out and got my 6 qt container and brought it home, drilled the holes, then realized the heat mat is overhanging. is this safe? or no?


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if i put it the other way it covers 2/3 of the container https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e036108238.jpg

i bought a bigger container for the future but i think the hoggie would be scared in ithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...62212cf776.jpg


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if i put it the other way it covers 2/3 of the container https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e036108238.jpg

i bought a bigger container for the future but i think the hoggie would be scared in ithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...62212cf776.jpg


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it is okay to have the heat pad hanging off a bit, just be sure anything flammable stays away from the heat pad.

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if i put it the other way it covers 2/3 of the container https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e036108238.jpg

i bought a bigger container for the future but i think the hoggie would be scared in ithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...62212cf776.jpg


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The fact that it over-hang is fine, you just really want to make sure that it covers 1/3 to 1/4 of the tub.

And remember the t-stat probe goes outside between the UTH and the tub.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

it is okay to have the heat pad hanging off a bit, just be sure anything flammable stays away from the heat pad.

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6fc3d72022.jpg before i stick it on permanently, does this look okay?


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Originally Posted by baldegale

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6fc3d72022.jpg before i stick it on permanently, does this look okay?


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can you move it back any farther towards that side of the tub? it almost looks in the middle but that might be the perspective of the photo.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

can you move it back any farther towards that side of the tub? it almost looks in the middle but that might be the perspective of the photo.

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it is in the middle, but thats because i have the little rubber feet on the tub so the heat mat isnt resting directly on the surface, the surface its going to be sitting on is plywood and i didnt know if that was okay or not


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Originally Posted by baldegale

it is in the middle, but thats because i have the little rubber feet on the tub so the heat mat isnt resting directly on the surface, the surface its going to be sitting on is plywood and i didnt know if that was okay or not


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it will be fine resting on plywood.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

it will be fine resting on plywood.

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okay! thank you for the help


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6994ae21a9.jpg is this good?


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Originally Posted by baldegale

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6994ae21a9.jpg is this good?


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Well, that is very good, but you are using half the tub with heat pad, it should 1/3


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Well, that is very good, but you are using half the tub with heat pad, it should 1/3


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agreed. let the head pad hang off a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Well, that is very good, but you are using half the tub with heat pad, it should 1/3


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alright ill have it overhang some so its only 1/3. but since this pad is old and has never been used its not so sticky,, anything i can use to keep it on? packing tape? also i’ll probably be buying a smaller UTH once i get my refund money back from amazon so it looks nicer. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e062201ba9.jpg

this is what im at


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...06feb555c9.jpg switched the orientation around, i think it looks nicer. sorry for spamming everyone lol


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Originally Posted by baldegale

alright ill have it overhang some so its only 1/3. but since this pad is old and has never been used its not so sticky,, anything i can use to keep it on? packing tape? also i’ll probably be buying a smaller UTH once i get my refund money back from amazon so it looks nicer. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e062201ba9.jpg

this is what im at


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aluminum tape. do not use packing tape as it can melt and be a fire hazard.

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Originally Posted by baldegale

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...06feb555c9.jpg switched the orientation around, i think it looks nicer. sorry for spamming everyone lol


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that looks perfect.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

aluminum tape. do not use packing tape as it can melt and be a fire hazard.

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ah, welp something else i needa buy. i should be fine with it for now, cause it sticks to the bottom if i pick up the container, it just pulls off very easily


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e49cb1bd3b.jpg heres what it looks like! i couldnt find a smaller water dish


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9f422126b2.jpg heres the complete set up!


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Packing tape is fine, it’s not going to melt or be a fire hazard.. the heat mat is on a thermostat, and they don’t even get hot enough to burn tape unregulated. The snake would be cooked long before the tape melted.


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That looks great


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

That looks great


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thank you! left tank is a bearded dragon, right tank is a tortoise and the container is the snake obviously


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...77765068a4.jpg update, this is the final product until i change my mind again, but this is what seems to work best!


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alright- so joe at southwest dragons finally replied. the one that i wanted (the albino) is now sold out of nowhere, and the other two are tiny. the hypo is 5g and the het hypo is 10g being that im a beginner would it be the safer bet to go for the 10g?


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Originally Posted by baldegale

alright- so joe at southwest dragons finally replied. the one that i wanted (the albino) is now sold out of nowhere, and the other two are tiny. the hypo is 5g and the het hypo is 10g being that im a beginner would it be the safer bet to go for the 10g?


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Yes 10 grams is better (5 grams is the average weight out of the egg) however you still need to go with a 6 QUARTS tub this is TOO BIG for a 10 grams hatchling (look again at the picture I posted and how big 6 quarts is for a tiny baby)

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes 10 grams is better (5 grams is the average weight out of the egg) however you still need to go with a 6 QUARTS tub this is TOO BIG for a 10 grams hatchling (look again at the picture I posted and how big 6 quarts is for a tiny baby)

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yes i know, my heat pad wont work properly on either of my 6 quarts right now, this is entirely temporary until i can get the new UTH. worst case i have a 2.7 q container too that i could probably make work if need be.


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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes 10 grams is better (5 grams is the average weight out of the egg) however you still need to go with a 6 QUARTS tub this is TOO BIG for a 10 grams hatchling (look again at the picture I posted and how big 6 quarts is for a tiny baby)

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also 5 & 10 grams at 5-7 months old,, isnt that a bit low?


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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes 10 grams is better (5 grams is the average weight out of the egg) however you still need to go with a 6 QUARTS tub this is TOO BIG for a 10 grams hatchling (look again at the picture I posted and how big 6 quarts is for a tiny baby)

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I’m curious, why is this too big? They aren’t stuck in super tiny tubs naturally. What is wrong with it?


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I’m curious, why is this too big? They aren’t stuck in super tiny tubs naturally. What is wrong with it?


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from knowledge (that she provided earlier in the thread) hoggies (and BPs) dont like big spaces as they get scared/nervous and wont eat


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from knowledge (that she provided earlier in the thread) hoggies (and BPs) dont like big spaces as they get scared/nervous and wont eat


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Not with proper hides. You can create small spaces inside large spaces, just like tubs are small places in large rooms, hides are small spaces in enclosures. It’s not complicated.


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Not with proper hides. You can create small spaces inside large dodges just like tubs are small places in large rooms, hides are small spaces in enclosure.”s.


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i have plenty empty worm containers, i could easily make 4+ more hides lol


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Originally Posted by baldegale

i have plenty empty worm containers, i could easily make 4+ more hides lol


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Exactly.


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Not with proper hides. You can create small spaces inside large spaces, just like tubs are small places in large rooms, hides are small spaces in enclosures. It’s not complicated.


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False I would appreciate if you stop giving advice that are wrong and will mislead a new owner especially considering you do not own, nor have bred or troubleshoot hognose snakes.

And for your knowledge hognose do not use hides.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Exactly.


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I agree Godzilla I have a 55 gallon tank with a hatchling bp in it. Multiple hides and plants and he is a happy camper. He eats he flys around at night a crowded space is the same as a small space.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

False I would appreciate if you stop giving advice that are wrong and will mislead a new owner especially considering you do not own, nor have bred or troubleshoot hognose snakes.

And for your knowledge hognose do not use hides.

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I only asked your logic. It makes no sense to me, but perhaps you can explain it. I don't accept opinions at face value, with no reasoning behind it. I have no experience, but experience doesn't equal infallibility.

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I agree Godzilla I have a 55 gallon tank with a hatchling bp in it. Multiple hides and plants and he is a happy camper. He eats he flys around at night a crowded space is the same as a small space.

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I only asked your logic. It makes no sense to me, but perhaps you can explain it. I don't accept opinions at face value, with no reasoning behind it. I have no experience, but experience doesn't equal infallibility.

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Amazing how people who get lucky with 1 or 3 snakes, they have owned for a very limited amount of time can now also give advice (that are not based on experience) and act like they know everything even giving advice on other species they never owned :rolleyes:.

Good luck with that from now own I'll just post pictures since experience means nothing, I'll live it to the expert......works for me. (no wonder no knowledgeable breeder wants to post here anymore)