Pat the baby biak green tree python

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Originally Posted by zina10

The funny thing is that this picture makes it look like "snake in a huge, 4 ft x 4ft cage" when in reality its "tiny" snake in a small cage. LOL

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Haha i know. After i took the pic and looked at it, i thought the same thing. And before anyone crucifies me for not having a neonate in a tub, I have his temps, humidity, gradients and security all covered along with elevated water bowls on the second perch and top perch lol. Already got the sad face from a couple people on the chondro boards for me going from a tub to a display set up for a neo lol. I was like, well, if i get the gradient, temps, humidity and security all correct and he ate within an hour of being in the new cage, i must have something set up right.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Haha i know. After i took the pic and looked at it, i thought the same thing. And before anyone crucifies me for not having a neonate in a tub, I have his temps, humidity, gradients and security all covered along with elevated water bowls on the second perch and top perch lol. Already got the sad face from a couple people on the chondro boards for me going from a tub to a display set up for a neo lol. I was like, well, if i get the gradient, temps, humidity and security all correct and he ate within an hour of being in the new cage, i must have something set up right.

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You went quick, that's true. That is a lot of changes in a short time. BUT !!!

You obviously have a well adjusted little Chondro there. They "can" stress, but I don't think they stress in the same way then a Ball Python does. A Ball Python needs the correct setup AND a ton of privacy/left alone.

I think with Chondros its vitally important that you have the setup right, the temps, humidity, perches, etc etc. But they do not stress as much about being out in the open, then a Ball Python per se.

So...since you have your little cage dialed in perfectly, with plant cover, correct perches, water, etc etc, your baby should be just fine. Being willing to eat right after shows it didn't bother him much at all.

Some snakes go from breeder/tub to owner/glass tank (incorrectly set up at that) And that is when you run into problems. You didn't do that. You moved him. But you moved him into the "ideal" setup.

Plus you have a hatchling that is well established and healthy to begin with. THAT right there is the most important part. That, and the correct setup (species specific)



Well, and I like to see the pics, haha

OH WOW your little one is even smaller than mine. I would be terrified of losing mine if I put it in a bigger enclosure but then again I am doing exactly that with the 8' square cube I have on order. She seems so sad and bummed out in her quarantine tank but its is doing its job well for now.

Or should I act like those people on the chondro FB pages and tell you how you are killing your snake and you need to get smaller perches and they need to be in a tub rabble rabble rabble! :P

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Originally Posted by zina10

You went quick, that's true. That is a lot of changes in a short time. BUT !!!

You obviously have a well adjusted little Chondro there. They "can" stress, but I don't think they stress in the same way then a Ball Python does. A Ball Python needs the correct setup AND a ton of privacy/left alone.

I think with Chondros its vitally important that you have the setup right, the temps, humidity, perches, etc etc. But they do not stress as much about being out in the open, then a Ball Python per se.

So...since you have your little cage dialed in perfectly, with plant cover, correct perches, water, etc etc, your baby should be just fine. Being willing to eat right after shows it didn't bother him much at all.

Some snakes go from breeder/tub to owner/glass tank (incorrectly set up at that) And that is when you run into problems. You didn't do that. You moved him. But you moved him into the "ideal" setup.

Plus you have a hatchling that is well established and healthy to begin with. THAT right there is the most important part. That, and the correct setup (species specific)



Well, and I like to see the pics, haha

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Haha sometimes he does like his privacy though. I was looking at him this morning and i guess he wasnt asleep yet and he picked his head up and then turned it around to face the back of the cage lol. I guess he didnt want me staring at him :P

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Originally Posted by SDA

OH WOW your little one is even smaller than mine. I would be terrified of losing mine if I put it in a bigger enclosure but then again I am doing exactly that with the 8' square cube I have on order. She seems so sad and bummed out in her quarantine tank but its is doing its job well for now.

Or should I act like those people on the chondro FB pages and tell you how you are killing your snake and you need to get smaller perches and they need to be in a tub rabble rabble rabble! :P

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Oh yeah, he's tiny. The gal guessed he was probably around 3-6 months old. He is about 10-12 inches if that.

And yeah when i first put him in a little 12 qt tub with the plastic coat hanger perches etc, he hated it. He spent the whole day and night moving, never perched and ended up grounded under the paper towels the next morning. Thats when i moved him into the 25 qt which he acted normal and ate. Then about 4 days later i couldnt stand the tub as i couldnt see squat so i went and set up his deluxe condo and like i said, he immediately took to it and ate again.

And honestly, i only had 2 guys not really hate on it, but say i should leave neos in tubs. The rest of the people loved it and one guy said, he got the same response from the certain haters of the group about the cubes vs tubs for neos and he has the temps, security, gradients and humidity all set correct like me and his eats no problem as well and this was awhile ago and his is doing fine and didnt need to grow up in a tub.

I did listen to the smaller perch thing though and my little guy has 3/8 inch perches and they seem to fit him perfect.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well I pulled the trigger on one of the snakes I've always wanted and picked it up today. Meet Pat, the little 6 month old biak.
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WOW! i recall u had been looking for one for awhile, Congrats!

BTW did u get it a Hewitt? i was visiting the Funko Pop offices and store in Everett early December and stopped by Hewitt afterwards to check out what they had. they had a few GTP's of various ages. they had one like your's:

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they had these really cool Flying Gecko's too. (i should probably post a pix thread now that i think of it)

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well, i decided the tub had to go. Couldnt see Pat or anything. Whats the point in a display animal if i cant display it!! :P So here is Pat's new digs. It's an 18x18x18 Zoo Med. He seems to like it as he was more than happy to go up to the top perch when i showed it to him while on his other perch. He then promoted to eat another pinkie mouse and now is back to sleeping under the heat.
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Originally Posted by jmcrook

lol Mr. Minimalist cage guy made a rainforest cage! ;) Looks awesome dude!

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haha true dat.

should also do a red carpet rollout. ;)

Here's a guide you might wanna check out. I'm going to do something close for my 18x18x36 Exo Terra.

Hey Sauzo you going to do live plants? I am really tempted to get some humidity control and because some vines would look amazing in a pvc cube. A few people on some of the chondro forums are talking about it and seem to love the benefit. I have a great grow light I may pick up if I go that route. No bio active shenanigans or substrate... puppy pads and a plant in a pot is what I am thinking of. Simple and easy to clean.

Thinking either philodendron or pothos because they are easy to get and easy to maintain.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

WOW! i recall u had been looking for one for awhile, Congrats!

BTW did u get it a Hewitt? i was visiting the Funko Pop offices and store in Everett early December and stopped by Hewitt afterwards to check out what they had. they had a few GTP's of various ages. they had one like your's:

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/naAiREk.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/aOGIL8O.jpg

they had these really cool Flying Gecko's too. (i should probably post a pix thread now that i think of it)





haha true dat.

should also do a red carpet rollout. ;)

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Haha yep, i got it from Hewitt. I know the owner gal and i knew the old owner too before he sold it.

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Originally Posted by SDA

Hey Sauzo you going to do live plants? I am really tempted to get some humidity control and because some vines would look amazing in a pvc cube. A few people on some of the chondro forums are talking about it and seem to love the benefit. I have a great grow light I may pick up if I go that route. No bio active shenanigans or substrate... puppy pads and a plant in a pot is what I am thinking of. Simple and easy to clean.

Thinking either philodendron or pothos because they are easy to get and easy to maintain.

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I was originally going to do a bioactive set up in Pats 18x18x18 but i opted out. I'll most likely do one in his forever home with the AP 48x24x36 cage. I thought about sitcking a small pothos or Philo in Pats cage now in a pot but I'm waiting for him to settle in more before i clutter it up too much. I still want to see him to make sure everything is going ok.

One more thing. I got this on sale because I wanted some artificial vines to interconnect lower perches. It is actually a lot better than it looks online. In case you are looking for something other than that ugly black cordage everyone uses

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...3&pcatid=34403

Yeah i was looking at those are the pet shop but the ones by Exo Terra or whoever, they flake apart. I was actually talking to a guy on the chondro boards about those and he told me he seals them with reptile sealant and they last a pretty long time if done like that. I think Pat's cage is done except for maybe a little potted Pothos or Philo later. I dont want to clutter it up too much as i want a fairly open place i can feed him so he doesnt snag a plant leaf or something while striking.

Well, got an update. Pat took his first poop and second piss with me. Guess sometime last night he dropped a little baby deuce and pee on the paper towels and i found him in a new cooler spot. The little bugger can really blend in good.
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Well apparently he shed last night too. I found a little 1 piece shed wrapped up around the top of his front left plant. So we have 3 achievements from Pat last night. He pooped, pissed and shed in 1 piece. I am so relieved. The eating part i think we have down more or less as he took 2 meals with already no problem.

Bet you thought he was dehydrated didn't you? I was worried about mine being all wrinkly until one night she just decided to shed. I am thinking they don't really show blue eyes like most terrestrial pythons.

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Originally Posted by SDA

Bet you thought he was dehydrated didn't you? I was worried about mine being all wrinkly until one night she just decided to shed. I am thinking they don't really show blue eyes like most terrestrial pythons.

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Haha yeah, i was panicking on the chondro boards. People were telling me he is probably in shed and as long as i saw him drink and have elevated water bowls by his perches, he should be fine.He drank about 1/2 of one of his 1/2 ounce perched water dishes as i have 4 around perches. Then like i said, this morning i found all that. And then when i did his daily misting of his cage, he woke up, climbed up through the plant he was on in the pic, took another drink from one of his elevated drink stations lol and then proceeded to curl back up on the top perch under his heater again.

I was also panicking as i havent had him poop for me since i got him about 10 days ago and only pissed once. They told me there again, he is probably fine especially if he is going into shed. I knew GTPs have a slower metabolism than other pythons but it's almost like having a baby boa with the amount they poop lol. A couple guys told me, they do the 3 meal rule. They will feed 3 meals and if nothing comes out the back end by the 4th meal, they will wait on it until the snake does it's business.

What a beautiful little gem. Sounds like (s)he is well-settled and off to a great start!

Awesome enclosure setup


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Yeah it's a whole new world with this guys. Your's sounds really healthy and that a wonderful thing!

Well, third feeding down. Pat went bananas after i woke him up and he saw the little pinkie mouse. Was so excited he ate it butt first lol.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well, third feeding down. Pat went bananas after i woke him up and he saw the little pinkie mouse. Was so excited he ate it butt first lol.

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Hilarious! Just munch it however it goes in.


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Hilarious! Just munch it however it goes in.


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Haha pretty much. The messed up part was he didnt bother to kill it first. He just started swallowing it as it was squeaking all the way down. I swear i heard it squeak inside him too when he yawned to reset his jaw lol. It's like 'omg, that snake just squeaked like a mouse!!' Not too worried since it was just a pinkie mouse but once he is big enough to eat stuff with teeth, he is getting switched to FT.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Haha pretty much. The messed up part was he didnt bother to kill it first. He just started swallowing it as it was squeaking all the way down. I swear i heard it squeak inside him too when he yawned to reset his jaw lol. It's like 'omg, that snake just squeaked like a mouse!!' Not too worried since it was just a pinkie mouse but once he is big enough to eat stuff with teeth, he is getting switched to FT.

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Jesum! Thats brutal.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Jesum! Thats brutal.

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Lol yeah, he wasnt messing around. He saw dinner, he grabbed dinner, he ate dinner. He obviously didnt get the memo from Ted Nugent that 'you gotta kill it before you grill it' :rage:

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well, i decided the tub had to go. Couldnt see Pat or anything. Whats the point in a display animal if i cant display it!! [emoji14] So here is Pat's new digs. It's an 18x18x18 Zoo Med. He seems to like it as he was more than happy to go up to the top perch when i showed it to him while on his other perch. He then promoted to eat another pinkie mouse and now is back to sleeping under the heat.
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Nice! You have this on top of the other enclosures?

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Originally Posted by jmcrook

lol Mr. Minimalist cage guy made a rainforest cage! ;) Looks awesome dude!

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Haha

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I feel so behind. My baby is still in quarantine and a tub. Can't wait until my cube arrives so I can start giving her a more secure setup.

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Originally Posted by Stearns84

Nice! You have this on top of the other enclosures?

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I have it on top of the empty T10 i got which is on a 4 foot folding table.

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Originally Posted by SDA

I feel so behind. My baby is still in quarantine and a tub. Can't wait until my cube arrives so I can start giving her a more secure setup.

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I do kind of a loose quarantine. I have separate utensils and everything for the GTP and do stuff last for him. I know he is mite free but i just wiped down the outside of the cube as a preventative.

I've been rather lucky with all my snakes. The only snake that got mites was Luna and that was from me bringing home a hitchhiker i think as she was fine for a few months before that. I ended up moving her upstairs and treating her for 3 months and doing preventative on my other snakes. Everyone else was fine. I'm guessing it was because i usually wipe down the outsides of all my cages every 6 months with PAM just in case.

And yeah, i bet your snake will love a cube. A handful of people told me you have to use tubs for neo GTPs. Then there were a handful of others who said it depends on the snake and whether the owner can provide the correct husbandry in a bigger cage. Pat HATED the 6 qt tub. He wouldnt perch on the plastic coat hangers and spent the night grounded under the paper towels. Then I moved him into the 24 qt tub and he kind of liked it i guess. He perched and stuff. Then i said screw it, i know what I'm doing with snakes and set up his 18x18x18 cube and he has been doing great(knock on wood). Eating, pooping, pissing and did the shed last night. Was awesome seeing him hiding inside one of the plants this morning and then after i misted the cage, he crept up through the middle of the plant up to his top perch, took a drink and then curled up under the heater lol.

Well Pat was on the war path today and exploring every inch of his cube while drinking water off his scales and the plants. Never seen him so active. He also found a new perch on top of the front left plant.
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And I also added a little planted Pothos to his cage to give it a more jungle look. Am probably going to also add a little potted Parlor Palm.
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Envy... that enclosure. Wow


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LOL, I'm always amazed how much bigger they suddenly look when they un-curl !!

Its like, whoa, where did this big snake come from ??? And where is the tiny worm ???

Alright, i have finally finished Pat's slice of the jungle set up. Got the plastics plants in the 4 corners and put a live Pothos, Parlor Palm and Prayer Plant in the center to fill in the 'void'. Pat hasnt appreciated it yet as he is sleeping up on top of his back left plant lol.
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I zoomed in and looked for quite a while and couldn’t find him. Snake camouflage is so incredible at times.

You must have $10,000-$20,000 in snakes. enclosures, reptile accessories and husbandry equipment... rich snake guy envy. Lol


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Originally Posted by DandD

I zoomed in and looked for quite a while and couldn’t find him. Snake camouflage is so incredible at times.

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Haha, yeah this morning it took me about 5 mins to find him as he was sleeping about mid level inside the back left corner plant. Then he moved up to the top of the plant to get warmer i guess and has been sleeping there all day.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

You must have $10,000-$20,000 in snakes. enclosures, reptile accessories and husbandry equipment... rich snake guy envy. Lol


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Lol i do have a small fortune invested in them but i am far from rich now hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Alright, i have finally finished Pat's slice of the jungle set up. Got the plastics plants in the 4 corners and put a live Pothos, Parlor Palm and Prayer Plant in the center to fill in the 'void'. Pat hasnt appreciated it yet as he is sleeping up on top of his back left plant lol.
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But...but...where is the glow worm? Lol...


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New thread idea! Spot the snake like where’s Waldo only a grown up reptile version lol

That is a lot of decor for your snake to poop on!

Watch those plants, they can bring in all sorts of unwanted guests if you picked them up from a store and didn't quarantine them

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Originally Posted by zina10

But...but...where is the glow worm? Lol...


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Haha, he is sleeping inside the back left plant. He has a little spot on the top of it that is kind of indented down so he can curl up in the spot and the front leaves will cover him. At night he will either sneak down the middle of the plant and pop out or he will come of the left side and climb over to the elevated water bowls and then over to the front left plant and sit on top of that looking down and outside.

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Originally Posted by SDA

That is a lot of decor for your snake to poop on!

Watch those plants, they can bring in all sorts of unwanted guests if you picked them up from a store and didn't quarantine them

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I picked up the plants from my local plant nursery so worst case they could have just plant insects on them but i checked them and heavily misted them to wash off any 'junk' on them as well as any chance of spray on insecticide or fertilizer. I talked to the nursery helper and told her these were going into a bio set up and she was really interested and wanted to hear about Pat but assured me, they were safe plants for it and wouldnt pose any harm.

And yeah i thought about that but you know the funny part is Pat actually goes to the floor to poop and piss. He has done the floor pissing 2 times now and pooping once. He gets really active and then goes to ground, goes into a corner, does business and then back up to the plants/perches. But if he does poop on a plant, its easy enough to just remove it and wipe the leaf clean with water and a paper towel.

I made sure to make it cleaning friendly. All the plants are on little clay saucers so all i have to do it remove the lowest front perch, then all the plants can come out easily as well as the deli cup of water. Then i can pull out the paper towel substrate, F10SC the floor and put in new paper towels and put everything back. Take me about 15 mins at the most.

I love this thread. Future goal of mine...


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I love this thread. Future goal of mine...


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i agree with you on that one. i LOVE GTPs but they always scared me cause i always heard how feisty they were. they’re practically art though


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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I love this thread. Future goal of mine...


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i agree with you on that one. i LOVE GTPs but they always scared me cause i always heard how feisty they were. they’re practically art though


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thread lurker saying "third."
straight-up #GOALS [emoji7][emoji7][emoji7]

i'm very excited for you, Sauzo!!!

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thread lurker saying "third."
straight-up #GOALS [emoji7][emoji7][emoji7]

i'm very excited for you, Sauzo!!!

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glad i wasnt the only lurker on this one aahahahah


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Looks fantastic, bud!! Congrats.


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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well I pulled the trigger on one of the snakes I've always wanted and picked it up today. Meet Pat, the little 6 month old biak.
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Unbeleivably gorgeous Sauzo. These are some of the coolest looking snakes out there. Not only the colors but the way they move on their perches ect... Great choice [emoji1362]


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Officially a bit jealous...beautiful setup, Sauzo!

Don't forget sticking a plant in weak bleach solution is safe for most plants so if you do switch to bioactive look up sterilizing plants to get an idea of how to do it. I have done it many times even with aquatic plants (not bleach but similar concept). Sturdy plants like what you have can have their roots rinsed clean and dunked in 10% bleach to 90% water for about 20 minutes to destroy mold, eggs, fungus, etc so it doesn't mess up your bioactive setup. If I can convince my better half to have some live plants in the enclosure, it's what I promised to do (he's an amateur horticulturist so I get an earful about contamination and bugs when I bring it up).

Lol well i go through all that setting up to make it all neat and whats Pat do.....sleeps on the back left corner plastic plant all day. He freakin LOVES that plant. He comes out at night or if i tickle him with a Q-Tip. Then he will wander over to another plant top and perch up there until i leave. Then he stealths back over to his favorite plant and curls back up there. Heck the only reason i know he moves is because i find little pisses around the floor of the cage in the mornings usually in a corner. He used perches until i gave him the option of the plastic plants. Then he decided the tops of them were a better perch spot :taz: I want a GTP that sits in the open on a perch lol.