Finally...

Brothers and sisters from the same clutch can be bred together, just like a baby can be bred back to its parent, with no problem (in fact, if there IS some genetic problem that inbreeding would make worse, it's safer to breed brother and sister than parent to baby because there is a chance neither baby inherited the 'bad' thing). Inbreeding becomes a problem when you do it over and over and over and never bring unrelated snakes in, or when you breed snakes that you know have genetic problems.

I see something in that last picture that worries me... First of all, it looks like you just have them on particle board. PLEASE put some sort of substrate in there; even newspaper. It's free (I use it for all my garters, and when I'm running low I just go to the grocery store and grab an entire stack of those free real-estate listings on my way out and shove them into my shopping cart lol) and easy to clean and replace.
But the thing that worries me is there looks like a hole in it and metal mesh under it. You need to get that covered up... If there's a way for a snake to rub their nose against something or get cut on it, they WILL figure out how to and end up injuring themselves eventually.

Particle board.?? Look at some of my early posts that is substrate on top of cut bed sheets for EASY cleaning when needed, people on on here talk about how I couldn't get them to copulate the way I have their enclosure set up.. I remember someone on here stating that I HAD THE WORST ball python housing, LMAO[emoji1][emoji1]..The rack system is for the breeding a whole bunch of BPs....


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https://vimeo.com/136887104 bet all y'all NAYSAYERS surprised...[emoji108]🏿[emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]


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Lmfao this dude is so funny. I've never seen a worse enclosure in my life. Atleast get tubs??

Play nice kids. :rolleyes:

Wow dummy

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Mr. Echo, I know you do not answer any questions that people ask you but I pray to god you answer this one.

In that video, the one you just posted. Is that your brand new 490 gram pastel in with you other snake? I ask this because you literally just purchased that animal on July 15th.

Proof: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-my-collection

That really, is absolutely disgusting on your part that you have had absolutely no quarantine procedure done with this animal. You have NO idea what this guy came in with. I see now why you refused to answer any question I posted in regards to quarantine, because you literally had no quarantine, at all.

Not only is that animal not old enough, or heavy enough to breed. You have put that animal's life at risk by doing this. And you have put that "female" at risk by doing this too.

I still want to see your incubator that you allegedly have. But I don't think it truly exists.

But I have now officially confirmed my earlier thought that you do not care about these animals, and you really are just in it for the money. Part of me hopes that this goes terribly wrong for you, but the other part of me hopes it doesn't I hope you haven't sacrificed your animals in order to make yourself money.

I'm done trying to help you. There is no point. You will not take any shred of advice that anyone will give you. I sincerely hope you just go away, but I know its not going to happen, you have a vendetta against everyone here, and you want to prove us "naysayers" that you are right, even if it means sacrificing the well being of your animals.

You give ball python keepers, and potential breeders everywhere a horrible name, because even though you continue to say you do, you clearly do not care for your animals.

You've had that female housed with one male or another for five years from what I can gather... One lockup in five years is not breeding success. Pandas have a higher sex drive than that. No eggs after five years is a sign something is off.

Also, I agree with everything Montypython said about quarantine and appropriate size for breeding.

Its already been proven that this guy has no care or concern about his animals or to listen to any advice given.
He is all about himself and trying to play breeder but not having a clue with one hole from another.
I appreciate those that are typing these long books but to be honest, less is more with this one. SMH

It's gross. He'll have three snakes that he still haven't proved he can provide for correctly, and then he's going to BREED those snakes and hope something nice comes out, but then he'll have 4-8 regular normal babies that he'll need to house and feed and that won't sell for more than 20 bucks a pop, so now he'll have anywhere from 7 to nearly a dozen snakes... These are the kinds of people that end up in the news as hoarders and give the rest of the hobby a bad name.

Yea people like this make me get infractions[emoji20]

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I'm a newbie with only a few years invested in snakes since I was a kid and I want to strangle this kid lol I have someone judging from this thread just like him at work. Most of us just ignore the guy. As much as we all must love reptiles you gotta let this one go. People and animals die every day. I'm not saying give on giving advice because we feel bad for the animals he has but the continuous fighting to truly get through to this person is futile.

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You know rather then disagreeing in a way that is so disrespectful.. Why dont you just put your opinions in there that dont sound so rude!. There is nothing wrong with home made enclosures out of TV stands as long as they are safe, can hold himidity, are escape proof..

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You know rather then disagreeing in a way that is so disrespectful.. Why dont you just put your opinions in there that dont sound so rude!. There is nothing wrong with home made enclosures out of TV stands as long as they are safe, can hold himidity, are escape proof..

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Read any of this guys previous threads. He's only here to hear what he wants to hear and disregards everything else. Wouldn't be surprised if he glued those snakes together just to try and prove that they weren't both the same sex.

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You know rather then disagreeing in a way that is so disrespectful.. Why dont you just put your opinions in there that dont sound so rude!. There is nothing wrong with home made enclosures out of TV stands as long as they are safe, can hold himidity, are escape proof..

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Go back and read his previous threads. None of the advice started off as being rude at all, but as serious suggestions for snakes that were being kept in completely improper conditions. This has just gotten to the point that everyone has realized he has no intention of taking any advice and we are all frustrated that the snakes are the ones that will pay the price for it.

HAHAHAHAHA, yall mad funny MY BABIES(my snakes) aren't living with none of yous so most of these replies are EXTRA DISRESPECTFUL/RUDE..ANYWHERE for something to live without any dangers is a WONDERFUL place to live, I'm NOT doing anything bad to MY SNAKES so why are ya'll keep coming at me with all these "YOUR DOING THE WRONG THING" type mentality.?? ME as a person DON'T take kindly to people telling me im doing something wrong that in my eyes is totally correct to ME, that's the reason for my NOT understanding/listening to erryyones posts thats trying to make ME out a bad PET owner........LAST thing "PAST is the PAST" so relying on my PAST posts/threads for peoples arguements about MY look on MY situations is irrelevant.. we all HAVE to start from the bottom and LEARN by error, and i DON'T see/hear no complaints from my SNAKES about their living conditions sooooooooooooo i don't expect ot hear it from HUMANS either.....

are u using a bed sheet (or mattress) as the back wall of your snake enclosure?

Your snakes cant talk you. you are doing it wrong no questions asked. Your husbandry and mentally suck..u are a horrible pet owner without a doubt in my mind..and I would bet Alot of others to....your disregard to simple husbandry is unbelievably probably the worst I know..... good luck. Because you going to need lots of it....have you even passed the 3rd grade yet? Your writing is almost unreadable its that bad...everyone here knows your not going to change your crappy husbandry and im done this will be my last post to someone who knowingly doesn't care about basic husbandry and wants to try and bring more snakes into this world....I wish we lived in the same state because I would come tell you straight to your face..

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ME as a person DON'T take kindly to people telling me im doing something wrong that in my eyes is totally correct to ME, that's the reason for my NOT understanding/listening to erryyones posts thats trying to make ME out a bad PET owner

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Yet you keep coming back for us to point out more error in your ways. Why is that?
I find it hilarious that you are tying to argue that you are right when people that are just getting started already have more knowledge.
I find it sad that IF that female is gravid you are going to have a clutch of normal that you are not even ready to remotely come close to caring for properly.
All I can to is shake my head and laugh.

Good, you just go ahead and do that..!'


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Do you even know what you need to carry that clutch full term?
Please let your female do it maternally, then we can see how well your husbandry is. :gj::gj:

Alright people you were asked to play nice, and I think that it is pretty clear at this point that you can lead the horse to the water but you can't make it drink.

Beating the DEAD horse will not help anyone, so time to close this one and let everyone cool down for a bit.




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