Slowcountry Balls 2015 Clutches

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Originally Posted by C2tcardin

Congrats on hitting the quad Chris! He looks super cool, can't wait to see him after a few shed cycles.

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Thanks Jeff. It was especially cool being able to see the progression of adding in one gene. I am looking forward to using him in the future.

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Originally Posted by darkranger69

cool stuff you got here, i also think hat some of your normals look a bit odd

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Thanks. Yeah, some of the normals in clutches 7 and 8 strike me as having something else going on. It is going to take a season or two more to sort it out. I really like the "normal" female in clutch 9. Looking forward to working more with her once she is up to size.

Hope to post some more pictures of the rest of our clutches soon. Thanks for following our thread!

Well, 2015 Clutch 11 is another that was supposed to have Paint in both parents. It was our male Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint to a Pastel Paint possible Chocolate. There were five eggs, but six babies. Unfortunately, one egg had a severely deformed Pastel hatchling in it. It was so kinked that it could not slither, so we had to euthinize it. The remaining five babies are pretty cool looking and we have guesses as to their genetics, but since Paint is involved, we would love any help that you guys can give.

First up is a male that is either a Paint or a normal.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_6.jpg

Next up is one that we think male is a Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint, shows the distorted alien heads on the last third and the side to belly markings that we saw in 2015 Clutch 5.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-09-03_11.jpg

We think this one is a Pewter Paint. The first half of him looks a normal Pewter, but the back half shows a lot of the same distortions as the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint from 2015 clutch 5.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_4.jpg

The next two are the twins, they were the tiniest babies we have hatched to date, 21 grams and 25 grams. My wife has started calling the smaller one Nano Gal. We are pretty sure that both are girls, but will double check the sex when they are a little bigger (was concerned about hurting them).

The first up is Nano Gal. We are thinking she might be a Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint who didn't finish developing her colors because she is so small. She has the dark color of the Cinnamon gene, the back half shows the distortion of the Paint gene, and side to belly shows what looks like the Yellowbelly gene. She looks different from the other Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paints from this clutch and 2015 Clutch 5, but is that because she is so small?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-03_9.jpg

Last up is the one that we think is a Pewter Yellowbelly Paint. Her side to belly pattern looks to be more intensified than the pictures I could find of a Pewter Yellowbelly, which is what we noticed going from the Cinnamon Yellowbelly to the Cinnamon Yellowbelly Paint in 2015 Clutch 5.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...5-09-03_10.jpg

Let us know what you think, and thanks for checking out our thread.

The Cinnamon Paint Pastel Yellow Belly is awesome. Hope that little girl grows up fine, being so small to start. The silver color wasn't destroyed by Paint and Yellow Belly, maybe even enhanced and the pattern is fantastic.

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Originally Posted by SamO

The Cinnamon Paint Pastel Yellow Belly is awesome. Hope that little girl grows up fine, being so small to start. The silver color wasn't destroyed by Paint and Yellow Belly, maybe even enhanced and the pattern is fantastic.

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Thanks. I am having to assist feed her and the other twin, but I think they both are going to be ok. I too am really looking forward to seeing how she develops. It will be interesting to see how the silver color holds or not. We are hoping that she keeps the silver and yellow/brown cast that Cinnamon Pewters are known for doesn't develop.

some cool paint stuff you have here... super form will be wicked. the last one i can t really see paint influence, for the rest i will say the same as you.

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Originally Posted by darkranger69

some cool paint stuff you have here... super form will be wicked. the last one i can t really see paint influence, for the rest i will say the same as you.

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Thanks. We think so too. Seeing what Jon has done with the Nazca makes us really excited. We would really like to see some supers soon!

2015 Clutch 12 was a bit of a surprise clutch. Back in 2012, I bought a "male" Pastel Mojave Chocolate from a good friend. In the beginning of the 2014-2015 season, we were pairing this "male" with a female Pastel Pinstripe Chocolate that I bought from the same friend. After multiple pairings, we hadn't seen any locks, so we resexed the male, and it looked to be a female. Lime Smidger of Royal Reptilia (https://www.facebook.com/RoyalReptilia) was kind enough to double check the sex for me and agreed that "he" is actually a she. So, we actually had a female 2012 Pastel Mojave Chocolate, but we were never sure about the Chocolate gene. I started a thread about this girl and another (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...colate-in-Them) and there has been no real general conclusion about the Chocolate gene or not. She definitely has a different look from the other Pastel Mojaves I have seen, actually a little lighter, not darker as I would think the Chocolate gene would do. I was thinking that she probably didn't have the Chocolate gene, but the variation in the Pastel Mojave babies have made me wonder. Now this variation could be a difference in the lines of the Pastel gene, since this 2012 female Pastel Mojave possible Chocolate was bred to a Pastel Calico, but I just can't help but wonder. Let me know what you think.

Here is the whole clutch, top left is the male Mojave Calico, top right is female Pastel Mojave 1, bottom two are the male Pastel Mojave and the female Pastel Mojave 2.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-07_4.jpg

First up is the 2015 Clutch 12 male Pastel Mojave. He doesn't have as bright of yellows as his sister (2015 Clutch 12 female Pastel Mojave 1) and has more blushing, but is that just the difference in Pastel genes? Or is there more to it?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_4.jpg

Here is 2015 Clutch 12 female Pastel Mojave 1. She has brighter yellows and less blushings than the other two Pastel Mojaves in her clutch, could be just different Pastel genes.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_2.jpg

Here is 2015 Clutch 12 female Pastel Mojave 2. She isn't as yellow as her sister, but has more blushing. Is that just a different Pastel gene, or is it more than that?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_2.jpg

And finally, the really cool 2015 Clutch 12 male Mojave Calico. There is only one Mojave Calico on World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/calico-mojave/), so his variation from the one there may just be the natural variation of the combination, or is it more than that?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_5.jpg

Thanks for checking out this post and any help you can give.

2015 Clutch 13 was our proven female Specter to our cool 2009 male Orangebelly. We were hoping for a male Super Stripe, but got two that were either Specters or normals, two Orangebellies, and a female Super Stripe. The two Specters or normals and the two Orangebellies sold before I took pictures of them, but I did get a picture of the female Super Stripe.

2015 Clutch 13 female Super Stripe
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_4.jpg
She is looking for a good home.

Thanks for looking.

Ok, so time for the final clutch of the season, 2015 Clutch 14. The mother of this clutch was growing so well, and we really wanted some answers about her genetics, so we decided to pair her even though she was a 2013 girl. She didn't disappoint, and gave us five good eggs. We have labeled her as 2013 Clutch 3 female Pewter Question because we really weren't sure if she has either the Mystic gene, or the Mojave gene in addition to the Pastel and Cinnamon genes. You can see her back story (with some good comparison pictures) in this thread (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Clutch-Results), especially on page 5. We think she might be a Pewter Mojave since this clutch seems to show more that the Pastel, Cinnamon, and Calico genes, but she doesn't look like the 2013 Clutch 3 male Pewter Mystic from her clutch. Both Josh Jenson and Justin Kobylka have been kind enough to give me some input on these babies. I am still exchanging emails with both of these guys in trying to figure out what these babies are, but these are what I think they are.

We paired 2013 Clutch 3 female Pewter Question with our 2012 male Pastel Calico. Some of the babies are obvious, others are not. Here is the whole clutch:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-07_2.jpg
We don't have an individual picture of the Pastel from this clutch, but we do have individual pictures of the rest of the clutch.

This one is 2015 Clutch 14 male Pastel Calico. It is interesting how different Pastel Calicos can be even with the same Pastel Calico father (the female from 2015 Clutch 1 that we initially thought was a Pastel Mojave Calico, is probably an awesome Pastel Calico, thanks Josh for the help on that one).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_4.jpg

This is one of the questions for us. Initially we thought this might be a Super Pastel Mojave, proving the mother to be a Pewter Mojave, but after exchanging emails with Justin Kobylka (http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/), she may actually be a Super Pastel Calico. I just don't know, I keep going back and forth on her genetics. Time will certainly make this one clear (based on what we saw with our 2014 Clutch 9 female Super Pastel Calico, who started off with similar colors, but turned much more yellow as she aged).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_7.jpg

Here is one of the other main questions. I initially thought she is a Sterling, but at the September 5th, Atlanta Dixie reptile show, another breeder (who had Sterling Surgars) on his table, thought she was a Sterling Calico. In looking at a lot of pictures of Pewter Mojaves, Pewter Mystics, Pewter Calicos, Sterling Mystics, and Sterling Calicos, along with the same Sugar combinations, I believe she might be a Pewter Calico or a Pewter Mojave Calico (her head just isn't blushed enough for me to think she is a Sterling Calico, and her pattern is to crazy for me to think she is a Pewter Mojave, so I am left with either a Pewter Calico, or a Pewter Mojave Calico, and the way the alien heads on her side are smeared together like her mother, I am wondering if she got the Blue Eyed Leucistic gene that her mother has, which I think is Mojave and not Mystic). I am just not sure what she is exactly, but I'm pretty sure we'll keep her and breed her to figure it out if it doesn't become clear as she ages.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_7.jpg

And the crown jewel of this clutch, which I think is the evidence that the mother is carrying a Blue Eyed Leucistic gene, is what I think is a female Sterling Mojave Calico. Her pattern is just too crazy to be a Sterling Mojave or Sterling Calico (based on looking at the Sterling Calico, Mystic Sterling, and Sterling Sugar), so I think she is the five gene combination.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_2.jpg

Here is a picture of the grey snakes from this clutch and 2015 Clutch 2. The female Mystic Sterling from 2015 Clutch 2 is on the left, the Pewter Calico or Pewter Mojave Calico is in the middle, and the one I think is a Sterling Mojave Calico is on the right.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_3.jpg

Thanks for following this thread. This week we started paring some select animals, so I guess it is time to start a 2015-2016 season thread. I will still update this thread as these babies age.