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I'm in love with my .30-06 from savage arms ;)

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Originally Posted by bad-one

I'm in love with my .30-06 from savage arms ;)

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Great gun, but I'd prefer a .270. More so than that would be an AR .308. The bad thing about 30-06 & 270's are they're a good distance gun but shooting into brush will own that caliber. Your 35 remington is a good brush gun, but not great for distance. Ideally that's one of the reasons why the .308 has become more popular. It can shoot very nicely over distances and it's considered a brush round which means if it hits some brush it won't throw the path off nearly as much as a 270 or 30-06 would get thrown off.

Now granted I live in Louisiana and nowhere around here do you have more than say 100-150 yards of clearing, so my AR-15 wth my 2.5x scope can well take care of things for the opening if I choose to hunt with it, of course I'd use a .223 though. As a side note I have taken a deer out with a .270. I think my best kill was with the smallest caliber would of been when I killed a deer with a .17 HMR. I was hunting with a friend and I brought my 30-30 out but I dropped it when I slipped and busted the scope, so when we came up on the deer, only one gun was still able to shoot accurate and that's what I used.

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Originally Posted by neal

ar .308

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ar-10

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

ar-10

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Yea but most people won't know what an AR-10 is because if you're not into firearms most people don't realize the AR-15 was designed from the AR-10 for the military. :P

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Originally Posted by Neal

Yea but most people won't know what an AR-10 is because if you're not into firearms most people don't realize the AR-15 was designed from the AR-10 for the military. :P

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AND the "AR" prefix does not apply to 99% of the rifles it is used for, they are not ArmaLites either :gj:

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Originally Posted by Neal

Great gun, but I'd prefer a .270. More so than that would be an AR .308. The bad thing about 30-06 & 270's are they're a good distance gun but shooting into brush will own that caliber. Your 35 remington is a good brush gun, but not great for distance. Ideally that's one of the reasons why the .308 has become more popular. It can shoot very nicely over distances and it's considered a brush round which means if it hits some brush it won't throw the path off nearly as much as a 270 or 30-06 would get thrown off.

Now granted I live in Louisiana and nowhere around here do you have more than say 100-150 yards of clearing, so my AR-15 wth my 2.5x scope can well take care of things for the opening if I choose to hunt with it, of course I'd use a .223 though. As a side note I have taken a deer out with a .270. I think my best kill was with the smallest caliber would of been when I killed a deer with a .17 HMR. I was hunting with a friend and I brought my 30-30 out but I dropped it when I slipped and busted the scope, so when we came up on the deer, only one gun was still able to shoot accurate and that's what I used.

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.30-06 getting thrown off by brush more than a .308? Explain?


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Box o truth did testing on bullet deflection. They setup a target 10 yards in front of another target. The first target was shooting through 1" dowels then they measured deflection at the second target. They then shot 5 or 6 different rounds through it and found the heaviest rounds did the best. .223 did the worst although the was only 4" of deflection. Not enough to miss a deer. 308 and larger showed almost zero deflection through the 1" dowels.

Although they didn't test 30.06, I would assume it would do as good or better than the 308.

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I have a Glock 19 and a ruger lcp .380 (one for home one to carry ;)) and my husband has a few things too :gj:

As far as shooting I started competitive shooting at 11 so I have been around guns a VERY long time, now I shoot from time to time.

While we are on the topic does anyone else reload their own? I've done .30-30, .223, .45acp, and .40. I run a Dillon 550B. Gearing up for a run of 9mm.

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Originally Posted by Craigaria

Box o truth did testing on bullet deflection. They setup a target 10 yards in front of another target. The first target was shooting through 1" dowels then they measured deflection at the second target. They then shot 5 or 6 different rounds through it and found the heaviest rounds did the best. .223 did the worst although the was only 4" of deflection. Not enough to miss a deer. 308 and larger showed almost zero deflection through the 1" dowels.

Although they didn't test 30.06, I would assume it would do as good or better than the 308.

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Well ya, the -06 has the same diameter, heavier bullet(generally) and a larger case with more load.

Can't see in the case that the heavier bullet is better, the .30-06 doing worse than the .308 lol. It's physics.


On a side note my collection is MUCH smaller than when I worked at a gun store.

Now alls I have is my Bushy XM15, Romy AK-47, Rem 870 12ga with some "tactical goodies", 870 wing master 20g, Springfield 1906, Glock 23 .40 cal, and a few others...


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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Well ya, the -06 has the same diameter, heavier bullet(generally) and a larger case with more load.

Can't see in the case that the heavier bullet is better, the .30-06 doing worse than the .308 lol. It's physics.


On a side note my collection is MUCH smaller than when I worked at a gun store.

Now alls I have is my Bushy XM15, Romy AK-47, Rem 870 12ga with some "tactical goodies", 870 wing master 20g, Springfield 1906, Glock 23 .40 cal, and a few others...


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There are tons of things that will affect how a bullet reacts when in incounters outside forces, humidity, gravity, wind, partical deflection, mass deflection. There is a huge math problem that uses more vairables than I care to mention that will show you which rounds preform how. Things like power burn rate/consistancy, barrel to bullet friction, barrel lenght / twist, barrel flex, head spacing, bullet weight, bullet design, what the bullet is made of, the list goes on and on.

The the case of the 30-06 vs the .308 is the reason a 30-06 might do worse. The fact is that the .308 case/brass is designed to be more effective at producing a fast and even powder burn and propelent gas concentration at the bullet tail thus producing higher muzzle velocity and because the bullet weights can be the same from 125grn to a 180 grn bullet the foot pounds of transfered energy are equal to or greater with a lighter projectile than those of the 30-06 and with a flatter trajectory than the 30-06 they tend to be less effected by outside forces.

Ok just the two cents of an old Long range guys sorry if it seemed like a rant.

My favorite weapon currently that I'm working to afford again is the Savage 110B in .338 Lapua mag.. :D

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Well ya, the -06 has the same diameter, heavier bullet(generally) and a larger case with more load.

Can't see in the case that the heavier bullet is better, the .30-06 doing worse than the .308 lol. It's physics.

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Actually they are both the same bullet per grain weight of course. The case is the difference. Powder loads vary but when you get into ignition and expansion of the load, this is where the .308 has less space thus running 10 grains lighter on the powder of the 30-06 BUT only 100ish feet per second slower.

All that being said if i couldnt have my .308 im am quite happy letting my 7.62X54R really reach out and touch something ;)

The frog beat me to it LoL

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

All that being said if i couldnt have my .308 im am quite happy letting my 7.62X54R really reach out and touch something ;)

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My mosin nagants are my favorite guns. Yes i have more then 1 i have 2 91/30s and a russian m44 the m44 is really fun on an overcast day looks like im shooting a flame thrower.


I reload a couple obsolete calibers i reload 6.5 carcano and 7.62x28( for my nagant pistol)

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So you mean to tell me that a .30-06 generates less ft/lbs of force on target, with the same grain/profile projectile, with the same rifle, at the same yardage?

All factors being the same other than the cartridge's case and amount of powder,, the -06 wins hands down every time.

The military changed over due to cost, size(LA vs SA), an amount of energy needed on target at range, not to mention it's a NATO round.

Not because the .308 is worse than the -06 in every aspect.


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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

So you mean to tell me that a .30-06 generates less ft/lbs of force on target, with the same grain/profile projectile, with the same rifle, at the same yardage?

All factors being the same other than the cartridge's case and amount of powder,, the -06 wins hands down every time.

The military changed over due to cost, size(LA vs SA), an amount of energy needed on target at range, not to mention it's a NATO round.

Not because the .308 is worse than the -06 in every aspect.


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Never said it was worse I said in certain instances it doesn't preform as well.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Never said it was worse I said in certain instances it doesn't preform as well.

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Oh ok. Well ya, my .17HMR does at lot better at plucking squirrels than my 1906 Springfield lol


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I have both, .308 and 30.06. They both shoot well and kill deer. I wasn't trying to say the 30.06 is a better round, I just thought it was slightly more powerful due to the larger cartridge.

After seeing the results, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot through some small limbs if they were directly in front of the deer with either round.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

So you mean to tell me that a .30-06 generates less ft/lbs of force on target, with the same grain/profile projectile, with the same rifle, at the same yardage?

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Again if you want to get into the energy is only about 150 to 200 foot pounds difference between the two as well. There really isnt a winner between the two rounds, not enough to make a difference in the right hands at all.
Its not a urine contest, its a personal choice between two almost equal rounds.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Again if you want to get into the energy is only about 150 to 200 foot pounds difference between the two as well. There really isnt a winner between the two rounds, not enough to make a difference in the right hands at all.
Its not a urine contest, its a personal choice between two almost equal rounds.

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Ok, it seemed as tho the case was being made by everyone that the .308 was superior. When in reality the .30-06 and .308 are roughly the same, with the energy nod going to the .30-06, and the flatter trajectory nod going to the .308.

No urine here lol, just clarification.


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Can't say enough good things about both. You MAY be able to find a wider range of projectile for the .30-06 than the .308.....MAYBE. Not really sure. Bolt gun, mag fed, or a semi auto in .308 are both excellent calibers for game from yotes all the way up to moose. I may be a big fan of the .270 and like the performance I get with a 130gr Barnes bullet but hey....that because I don't have a .3XXXX fill in the blands yet. Well...I suppose I have a .308Express Marlin so bugger on me...I do have one!

I've always wanted a .408 Cheytac. Before it showed up on COD lol.


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6.5x55 Swede. LOVE that round, even more so than the .308 or 30-06, of which I have both. Hand loading is about the only option at this point but it's a performer and is time tested for moose and anything in between down to a coyote.

I just started hand loading after I bought a sporterized 96 Mauser. Have it and a CZ 550 in 6.5 Swede and love the versatility of that round. Have several larger calibers but for my go-to gun for hunting anything in North American except the big bears would be that caliber. Norma or Lapua brass with CCI primers and some H4350 or H4831 pushing a Nosler 130 grain Accubond at 2,900 fps...get the stew pot ready, it's deer down dirt nap time!

You know........ honestly I really want a 22-250. My old boss had one and I loved shooting it. Remington BDL, I did the trigger on it, bedded and floated too. That thing took everything from coons to axis and audad.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

.30-06 getting thrown off by brush more than a .308? Explain?


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I'm not sure how it works. I just remember watching it on a legit tv show years ago. Not the rigged crap now days but back when the true stuff was actually on TV. I wouldn't even begin to tell you how it worked because I wouldn't have the slightest idea tbh.

I also have been toying with the idea of a 22-250 one of my coworkers has one and is always talking about how fun it is to shoot...only problem is finding ammo out here for it can get expensive...

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You guys should try a .204 ruger or 17 rem fireball. Both awesome varmint guns!


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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

You guys should try a .204 ruger or 17 rem fireball. Both awesome varmint guns!


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Last i heard they where in the process of making a pistol in 204 ruger. Sounded pretty cool

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Yeah the .204 and fireball are cool but ammo is a problem........... just like my .17 MachII.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

but ammo is a problem.

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NOAA and the Department of Education is hoarding it all...:confusd:

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Originally Posted by Neal

when I killed a deer with a .17 HMR.

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I wouldn't be too proud of that kill. Shooting a deer with a round that small is inhumane at best, and in many jurisdictions, illegal. I'm sure it's tons of fun to shoot, and great for squirrels, etc, but it's a wholly inappropriate choice for large game.

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Originally Posted by h20hunter

While we are on the topic does anyone else reload their own? I've done .30-30, .223, .45acp, and .40. I run a Dillon 550B. Gearing up for a run of 9mm.

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I do .380 ACP and 9mm on a Hornady Lock-n-Load AP. I considered going with a Dillon, as they have a great reputation for quality and customer support, but in the end, I couldn't justify the price difference. (As a 5-station auto-indexing press, the Hornady is functionally equivalent to the Dillon 650, but its price is pretty close to the 550B.)

I just wish I was one of those people who have a big stash of components; I'm good for a while on projectiles and primers, but powder is getting low, and to call retail availability in my area "spotty" would be generous...

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Originally Posted by olstyn

I wouldn't be too proud of that kill. Shooting a deer with a round that small is inhumane at best, and in many jurisdictions, illegal. I'm sure it's tons of fun to shoot, and great for squirrels, etc, but it's a wholly inappropriate choice for large game.

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Are you sure it's inhumane? I mean because I would think with your apparent knowledge that you've done all the tests. Also I know my laws, but thanks for throwing that out there. It can take out large game fine enough, when the shot is properly placed you'd be surprised at what it can do. Now yea people assume it's inhumane because it's a rimfire, but when the round first came out it wasn't illegal to use it. It wasn't until after people misplaced shots and had issues with not killing animals was it considered illegal.

At that rate, a regular 22 can be lethal if the shot is properly placed. While I wouldn't normally shoot with that caliber, I've seen what it can do, especially the Hornday V-max. Again, it wasn't my first choice but at the time it was all that was available.

I could argue lots of things are inhumane, but that doesn't make it so. If you shoot a deer with a .270 and it runs off because you missed the shot or something else happened, that's inhumane because the deer can still live depending on where you hit it. The issue you run into is people don't know how to properly shoot and they don't know how to track something if it runs off.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Are you sure it's inhumane? I mean because I would think with your apparent knowledge that you've done all the tests.

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Perhaps I should have said that the chance of it being inhumane is very high rather than that it's absolutely inhumane. That said, you're essentially picking linguistic nits in order to try to deflect the fact that I called you out on an inappropriate action after you declared yourself to be proud of it.

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Also I know my laws, but thanks for throwing that out there.

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Glad to hear that what you did was not illegal in your area. It *is* illegal in many places, however, so I felt it pertinent to mention in case you had put yourself in a compromising position by posting about it on a public forum or in case there were others reading about it who were not aware of the potential legal concerns should they attempt to duplicate your actions.

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It can take out large game fine enough, when the shot is properly placed you'd be surprised at what it can do. Now yea people assume it's inhumane because it's a rimfire, but when the round first came out it wasn't illegal to use it. It wasn't until after people misplaced shots and had issues with not killing animals was it considered illegal.

At that rate, a regular 22 can be lethal if the shot is properly placed. While I wouldn't normally shoot with that caliber, I've seen what it can do, especially the Hornday V-max. Again, it wasn't my first choice but at the time it was all that was available.

I could argue lots of things are inhumane, but that doesn't make it so. If you shoot a deer with a .270 and it runs off because you missed the shot or something else happened, that's inhumane because the deer can still live depending on where you hit it. The issue you run into is people don't know how to properly shoot and they don't know how to track something if it runs off.

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I never said you couldn't achieve a lethal shot with it. Just about any gun can be lethal with perfect shot placement. The reason that I say it's likely to be inhumane is that your margin for error is MUCH smaller with a 20-grain .17 caliber projectile than with a larger round like a .270 or a .308. Wind drift can be an issue with a bullet of that size, leading to less certainty in shot placement. Tiny bullets at high velocities are also a significant fragmentation risk, which leads to concerns about low penetration. I'm not saying it can't be done, but rather that it's a very poor idea, and that even in a scenario where it's legal to use, *I* personally wouldn't be willing to take the chance.

I have a Taurus .45 and a Sig 9mm. I carry the 9mm and the .45 is for home. I also have a large knife in the pocket of my driver's side door and a can of pepper spray between my seat and the door.

I'm a hitchhiker's-with-bad-intentions worst nightmare!

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Originally Posted by BrandiR

I have a Taurus .45 and a Sig 9mm. I carry the 9mm and the .45 is for home. I also have a large knife in the pocket of my driver's side door and a can of pepper spray between my seat and the door.

I'm a hitchhiker's-with-bad-intentions worst nightmare!

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Lol. Me too. I also have pepper spray, on my keys. A knife I carry, and 2 more in my purse.

If I were ever attacked, I'd just cry until they felt sorry for me and left me alone. :D

Due to recent events in my life, I'm down to one firearm. My Rock River .45 ACP Government Model. It's an outstanding little weapon, and with the help of a great gunsmith, I've tricked it out to be very similar to the one I carried during my last couple of deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. It's got just the right amount of go fast goodies to be useful on a bad day, but not so gimmicked up that it looks like a USPSA race gun. It is both my carry weapon, and the one that occupies a space under my side of the bed at night.

That's why I like my IDPA SSP gun lol. Nice and simple, and trained to use it in real life situations.


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I might have a couple lying around here. Used to hunt, but haven't lately. Way too much work to do around here. Which reminds me, I need to get off my butt and toss my hat in the ring for an elk tag this next fall.

Favorite is my Beretta M9, because it's basically the same weapon that I trained with and carried in the army. Fell in love with it, and own a couple different versions just because I can. I liked the M16 as well, but purchased an M4 from Bushmaster because of the smaller size and ease of finding cool toys to snap onto it. It's not really about the rifle's looks, but more about it just being something I am uber comfortable with, and that's what I gravitate towards. (Anyone who has been in the military can agree with how well you get to know those rifles inside and out!)

My favorite is my .338 Lapua...it makes a big boom..

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Originally Posted by SgtZabka

My favorite is my .338 Lapua...it makes a big boom..

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I would love to get a Sako TRG-42! I've sold many and owned none.

I'd also like a few of the Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender, and Zeiss Optics I've sold as well lol.

But to date my most expensive gun has been my $4300 trap gun. Shot at the state level with it. Even had a fully adjustable hydraulic buttstock. You could literally tune the compression, rebound, stroke length, lenth of pull, caster, camber, and toe. It was like a racecar suspension custom for to the gun haha.


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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

I'd also like a few of the Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender, and Zeiss Optics I've sold as well lol.

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Ever get irked watching someone spend $4-6000 for a 1000+ yard long-range rifle, only to top it with a $300 Simmons. :confusd: The rifle will perform, but the scope won't!

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Ever get irked watching someone spend $4-6000 for a 1000+ yard long-range rifle, only to top it with a $300 Simmons. :confusd: The rifle will perform, but the scope won't!

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I never let that happen lol. I'd tell at them and then they'd buy a Leica at least lol


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Took one of my favorite guns hunting this past Saturday. It is probably the most inexpensive gun I own, but it has a purpose and does it's job perfectly every time I pull the trigger. It is a single shot, H&R 410 shotgun. It throws a sweet pattern and makes it hard to miss. It is super simple and not so pretty that you have to worry about scratching it up, busting through the briars. Three shots, three rabbits!

For what they put out in terms of quality I really like H&R. I've got a 20g with a rifled barrell and a buddy and his son broke it in last fall with two nice deer. Both singel shot kills from 80 to 140 yards. Good guns those H&R's.

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Originally Posted by h20hunter

For what they put out in terms of quality I really like H&R. I've got a 20g with a rifled barrell and a buddy and his son broke it in last fall with two nice deer. Both singel shot kills from 80 to 140 yards. Good guns those H&R's.

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I almost bought the H&R ultra slug hunter like you are talking about to take deer hunting for the Illinois shotgun season. I ended up getting a savage 220 with a Bushnell elite 3200 3-9x50 firefly. It is a bolt action 20 gauge. I shoot 2-3/4" Remington accutips out of it. It shot a 3/4" group at 100 yards and a 3" group at 200 yards. It shoots so sweet it has become my new deer "rifle" in GA. Forgot to mention it has the accutrigger too...

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Originally Posted by Shadera

(Anyone who has been in the military can agree with how well you get to know those rifles inside and out!)

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True statement! I will have another M4 one day. If nothing else, commonality of ammo, and ease of use make the AR system a hands down winner.

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Originally Posted by Slim

True statement! I will have another M4 one day. If nothing else, commonality of ammo, and ease of use make the AR system a hands down winner.

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Just one? LOL! AR's are like BP's and boas, you don't stop at one.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Just one? LOL! AR's are like BP's and boas, you don't stop at one.

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I had to stop at one because of my stupid state "laws"

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