WTF happened? Bad Shed...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by patientz3ro

If you have a stuck bit of shed, get a wet towel, wring it out, lay him on it, fold it over him, and let him slither his way out. Repeat until the desired results are achieved.

As soon as you're done with that, go get a thermostat and use it. If you're taking responsibility for this animal, you need to do what's best for the animal. It's irrelevant if you hate Tstats because it's not about you.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

---

Don't tell me what to do. A moderator told me that thermostats are a touchy subject on this site and to be polite. Like I said don't tell me what to do and refer to whet our not I'm taking responsibility for my animal. I'm sorry there are allot ofpeople that probably need thermostats. I understand wattage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4825435628046529&pid=1.7

OP, I am going to try to add a little further insight...if you plan on breeding then your best bet is to get T-stats, because no matter how healthy your specimens are, people love seeing gadgets and gizmos, and it might just mean the difference between a decent sale and a polite...or impolite..."no". And people are viscous and confused these days, "He does not use thermostats", can quickly become, "He doesn't use thermostats, I had an asthma attack in his home, he doesn't clean his pet hippo's cage, the microwave is broken, etc..." . My point, as a future breeder I do not want to do anything that hurts the reputation of my specimens, I am trash as far as I am concerned, but my specimens are pristine and I want others to see that so if that means an extra $200 for a toy...fine with me, hence why the racks I am gathering the materials for include T-stats and of course heat panels for my larger cages will be monitored as well. If you plan on being just a private collector then do what you will, really you'll do that anyway...it's we all do...good luck and have n.

---

Totally agree. I do plan to try breeding. I was going to try breeding. I don't think anyone on here realizes that I spend an incredibly large about of time with my snake because I have leukemia and no job so...

[QUOTE=DooLittle;2191618]Keep in mind he is also the guy that suggested at home tail amputation... So, seems fitting.[/Q

Excuse me? Making up things that can make people look stupid is pathetic.

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192198]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

Keep in mind he is also the guy that suggested at home tail amputation... So, seems fitting.[/Q

Excuse me? Making up things that can make people look stupid is pathetic.

---

Not made up. And I don't make things up, nor try to make people look stupid. But thanks anyhow. Nice that you accuse people of lying without knowing the truth.

Apparently you missed that horrible thread. Which was so bad it got deleted entirely.

What's going on around here?

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192198]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

Keep in mind he is also the guy that suggested at home tail amputation... So, seems fitting.[/Q

Excuse me? Making up things that can make people look stupid is pathetic.

---

DooLittle is a very well respected member here. I'd follow her advice myself. The person you may be taking advice from that was mentioned, does not always provide the best advice. DooLittle has been keeping for a while and has lots of good advice.

Everyone here is just trying to help you and make sure your BP remains safe and happy. You're telling people not to tell you what to do, when you asked for advice. T stats are an essential item for reptiles. Every animal that needs heat needs a safeguard (the thermostat) from that heat. Dimmers only dim heat. They don't adjust for fluctuations in temps. Even aquarium heaters have build in thermostats so the fish don't get cooked. As someone that started with the cheap hydrofarm T stats (25 bucks and free shipping on amazon), I spent 400 for a herpstat four and never plan on going back. I like knowing that the T stat is making sure my temps are stable. It doesn't make much sense to me to play around with the dimmers and temperature all the time when you can just set a thermostat and not worry about it.

Since you decided to play the "don't tell me what to do" card, I'll explain it to you the same way I explain things to the last person who used that line with me... She's 4. Frankly, I don't care that you THINK you understand wattage. Unfortunately, your lack of knowledge doesn't just affect you. It affects the animal you're supposed to be responsible for. If you DID actually understand wattage, you would understand the difference between peak and RMS wattage. Which is the wattage of your heat source listed in? That's important because the claimed wattage is in peak watts, and you SHOULD know that means you're not getting the wattage you think you're getting.Secondly, many heat sources are designed to produce X number of degrees above ambient temperature. That's great, but when your ambient temp rises, so does the temp produced by your heat source. A thermostat is going to ensure an even, constant amount of heat, regardless of ambient temperatures, voltage spikes, or peak wattage. More importantly, it's going to reduce the chances that a malfunctioning heat source will cause thermal runaway, resulting in a burned animal.

See, despite your juvenile argument and attempt to justify poor husbandry, those of us who use thermostats aren't doing it because we need to compensate for not understanding wattage. We use them because it's the responsible way to do things. There's no need for you to feel sorry for those of us who want to do things correctly. We neither want, nor need your misplaced sympathy.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192198]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

Keep in mind he is also the guy that suggested at home tail amputation... So, seems fitting.[/Q

Excuse me? Making up things that can make people look stupid is pathetic.

---

Do you honestly think its a good idea to accuse a long term contributing member a liar? It's a really good way to look pathetic yourself.

A woman DID amputate her snakes tail. Thanks to the advice of a poster in this thread. While everyone told her to wait for a vet, he strolls in and suggests a DIY tail amputation since he has a text book and is all mighty. With a name like his, I can see why she thought maybe it was a good idea.

THE POOR SNAKES TAIL WAS NECROTIC! And she claimed the weather was too bad and they couldn't afford a vet.

So this woman chopped off the snakes tail, with likely improperly sanitized tools, no pain medication, and little knowledge.

I can't blame the mods for deleting the thread. God forbid someone was to see it and think it was a good idea.

Ya know, since common sense is apparently rare these days.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

I have leukemia and no job so...

---

Has anyone realized that he said he has leukemia and no job?
First I just want to say that I'm sorry about your illness and I hope that your doing okay. I know people are going to say "Well he's probably lying about being sick" and continue this argument, but I don't want to assume your lying so I want to send you my prayers.
Secondly, I know that you guys are correcting him and trying to help him but when threads get to this point I think everyone should just step back and leave it alone. This is how threads get put into qt and people start getting infractions. I know you all feel very strongly about protecting knew users from bad advice, and making sure everyone is taking good care if their snakes. I just think that once you've said what you've needed to say and proved your point you need to just leave it there and not let it get to the point were you start to crack at each other or call each other names or whatever. Just step back and cool off. I love all of you guys very much and have learned so much from you all, which is why I hate seeing you all argue. Say what you need to say and then leave it at that.
Lastly, if he has the time to monitor the temps of his animals then let him monitor them. It's what works best for him, and yelling at him clearly isn't going to change his ways so just leave him be. It's sad when people don't listen but what can you do! You can't force them to do anything. So why continue to argue with him? I don't know what happened with the whole DIY amputation thing maybe but the more and more I read about it the sicker and sicker I get. I think that whole topic should be dropped. It was a terrible thing and my life would've been better without ever knowing about it. Yes people should know it was an awful thing but continuing to talk about it is keeping it alive and that is something that just needs to die. Which is why it was deleted. Sorry for the long post. This is just how I feel and just my opinion. Hope you all have a great day and a wonderful season.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sorry, but I'm not going to say nothing if somebody calls me a liar. I have no reason to make up lies. I have never understood why people do.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

Sorry, but I'm not going to say nothing if somebody calls me a liar. I have no reason to make up lies. I have never understood why people do.

---

Thats okay, you have every right to defend yourself, I know your an awesome member of the forum that has no reason to make up lies so your definitely not a lier in anyway. But he clearly doesn't even want to understand that so why bother? As long as the right people know who you are and know what you stand for you'll be okay :) I know your a good person and so do many many other forum members so who cares what he thinks. Especially if he won't think anything otherwise. Your awesome! Continue being awesome! Don't let people get to you and make you stoop to their level. Your too good for this and a lot of other members are too good to let one person get to them so much. Just say what you need to say and if doesn't get through leave it alone. No one is getting anywhere with him anyway so why continue.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

Has anyone realized that he said he has leukemia and no job?
First I just want to say that I'm sorry about your illness and I hope that your doing okay. I know people are going to say "Well he's probably lying about being sick" and continue this argument, but I don't want to assume your lying so I want to send you my prayers.

---

I see your point, but being sick and unemployed isn't why he doesn't use a Tstat. He said he just doesn't like them.

To the OP, if your illness and employment situation IS what's keeping you from using a Tstat, PM me an address, and I will be MORE than happy to send one your way by the weekend.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by patientz3ro

I see your point, but being sick and unemployed isn't why he doesn't use a Tstat. He said he just doesn't like them.

To the OP, if your illness and employment situation IS what's keeping you from using a Tstat, PM me an address, and I will be MORE than happy to send one your way by the weekend.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

---

His illness and unemployment isn't an excuse not to use a Tstat, he's just saying that he has the time to monitor his heat source. He's spends a lot of time at home, what else does he have to do? But by all means send him a thermostat if it will silence this feud. Even though I seriously doubt he'll use it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

Don't tell me what to do. A moderator told me that thermostats are a touchy subject on this site and to be polite. Like I said don't tell me what to do and refer to whet our not I'm taking responsibility for my animal. I'm sorry there are allot ofpeople that probably need thermostats. I understand wattage.

---

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I am not a moderator.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

Totally agree. I do plan to try breeding. I was going to try breeding. I don't think anyone on here realizes that I spend an incredibly large about of time with my snake because I have leukemia and no job so...

---

I believe I constructed the syntax in that post the wrong way. What I was attempting to convey, was while I may not agree with the use of T-stats, I can agree with other hobbyists that it is a stock-&-trade, therefore I will acquire and use said mechanisms. Remember, going with the flow is not that bad if it takes you upstream, just do not get carried away. Good for you for still being active and doing some cool stuff despite your illness, good luck.

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192198]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

Keep in mind he is also the guy that suggested at home tail amputation... So, seems fitting.[/Q

Excuse me? Making up things that can make people look stupid is pathetic.

---

That is not made up. I made a poor decision on my part and left information out in the open that could readily be abused. I apologized and learned from the incident; however, it is only logical that afterwards many people would question my knowledge and the quality vs. quantity of my experience, that is to be expected and is more than understandable, the important thing is we try to keep with it even when we make major mistakes and grow from it.

Like I said...I am getting T-stats, whether you do or not is obviously your choice. I hope all goes well for you.

[QUOTE=Physician&Snakes;2192277]I think you are confusing me with someone else, I am not a moderator.



I believe I constructed the syntax in that post the wrong way. What I was attempting to convey, was while I may not agree with the use of T-stats, I can agree with other hobbyists that it is a stock-&-trade, therefore I will acquire and use said mechanisms. Remember, going with the flow is not that bad if it takes you upstream, just do not get carried away. Good for you for still being active and doing some cool stuff despite your illness, good luck.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

That is not made up. I made a poor decision on my part and left information out in the open that could readily be abused. I apologized and learned from the incident; however, it is only logical that afterwards many people would question my knowledge and the quality vs. quantity of my experience, that is to be expected and is more than understandable, the important thing is we try to keep with it even when we make major mistakes and grow from it.

Like I said...I am getting T-stats, whether you do or not is obviously your choice. I hope all goes well for you.

---

Thank you.

[QUOTE=DooLittle;2192282]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I am not a moderator.



I believe I constructed the syntax in that post the wrong way. What I was attempting to convey, was while I may not agree with the use of T-stats, I can agree with other hobbyists that it is a stock-&-trade, therefore I will acquire and use said mechanisms. Remember, going with the flow is not that bad if it takes you upstream, just do not get carried away. Good for you for still being active and doing some cool stuff despite your illness, good luck.



Thank you.

---

You're welcome. The last thing I want is any misinterpretation, happens too often...and, through my experiences outside of the hobby, I have learned that honesty is the greatest policy, therefore I could not leave this un-said, especially when it could be hazardous to an otherwise respected person. I have to agree with an earlier poster though, I think it's time to move on, but that is not my decision to make.

OP, again, best wishes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I am not a moderator.
That is not made up. I made a poor decision on my part and left information out in the open that could readily be abused. I apologized and learned from the incident; however, it is only logical that afterwards many people would question my knowledge and the quality vs. quantity of my experience, that is to be expected and is more than understandable, the important thing is we try to keep with it even when we make major mistakes and grow from it.

---

That I can respect. :gj:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

That I can respect. :gj:

---

True dat. I actually tried to give him a rep point for that, but it wouldn't let me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

True dat. I actually tried to give him a rep point for that, but it wouldn't let me.

---

I gave him a rep point as I also can respect a sincere and thoughtful apology for one's actions.

I'm so glad things have been resolved :) I like reading nice things like this.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=Marrissa;2192208]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

DooLittle is a very well respected member here. I'd follow her advice myself. The person you may be taking advice from that was mentioned, does not always provide the best advice. DooLittle has been keeping for a while and has lots of good advice.

Everyone here is just trying to help you and make sure your BP remains safe and happy. You're telling people not to tell you what to do, when you asked for advice. T stats are an essential item for reptiles. Every animal that needs heat needs a safeguard (the thermostat) from that heat. Dimmers only dim heat. They don't adjust for fluctuations in temps. Even aquarium heaters have build in thermostats so the fish don't get cooked. As someone that started with the cheap hydrofarm T stats (25 bucks and free shipping on amazon), I spent 400 for a herpstat four and never plan on going back. I like knowing that the T stat is making sure my temps are stable. It doesn't make much sense to me to play around with the dimmers and temperature all the time when you can just set a thermostat and not worry about it.

---

No actually I never asked for help with my temps or t stats. I think maybe 3 people responded to my question with a solution that I didn't say I already tried I'n my first post.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

Thats okay, you have every right to defend yourself, I know your an awesome member of the forum that has no reason to make up lies so your definitely not a lier in anyway. But he clearly doesn't even want to understand that so why bother? As long as the right people know who you are and know what you stand for you'll be okay :) I know your a good person and so do many many other forum members so who cares what he thinks. Especially if he won't think anything otherwise. Your awesome! Continue being awesome! Don't let people get to you and make you stoop to their level. Your too good for this and a lot of other members are too good to let one person get to them so much. Just say what you need to say and if doesn't get through leave it alone. No one is getting anywhere with him anyway so why continue.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

Understanding this stuff isn't exactly a challenge. And your right, no need to defend yourself because nobody called you a liar.I implied that you were lying that I was going to cut my snakes tail off. Because I'm new here and you mentioned that without saying who you were referring to on MY thread. If you say something on my thread with out saying to whom, I'm Going to assume your talking about me. Go watch thermostat porn.

This reply may not be to thePerson quoted

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

Go watch thermostat porn.

---

What was that again?

[QUOTE=patientz3ro;2192250]I see your point, but being sick and unemployed isn't why he doesn't use a Tstat. He said he just doesn't like them.

To the OP, if your illness and employment situation IS what's keeping you from using a Tstat, PM me an address, and I will be MORE than happy to send one your way by the weekend.

Sent from my HTCEsing Tapatalk[/QUOTE
I have acute myloid leukemia. I've actually been In remission for almost a month now.but don't get me wrong I had amazing doctors that beat it like a navy seal. Andyou are correct, I don't use one because meds take my entire disability check, and I figure since I'm with him 24/7 that it's ok for now. If you are serious I would absolutely adore that as a gift and would assuredly use it. I'm the type of person that likes to stick to my guns.but all of you guys (even the ones that made me mad) have convinced me to user one. At the ve Ry least it will keep him safe and I would be mortified if I burned him

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daybreaker

What was that again?

---

A joke.

We derailed your thread buddy, and personally I apologize...I mentioned T-stats in the first place. I hope you got what you needed

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

Go watch thermostat porn.

---

http://i.imgur.com/WvvnT.png

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daybreaker

What was that again?

---

lol that sent me into a fit of giggles. I need that with all this finals stress.

brettliff- glad you're coming around to thermostats. They really are in the best interest of the animals. You just never know when electronics will decide to go haywire and you don't want that to happen to your guy. Good on you for taking that offer.

Just going to let it go.

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192351]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by patientz3ro

I see your point, but being sick and unemployed isn't why he doesn't use a Tstat. He said he just doesn't like them.

To the OP, if your illness and employment situation IS what's keeping you from using a Tstat, PM me an address, and I will be MORE than happy to send one your way by the weekend.

Sent from my HTCEsing Tapatalk[/QUOTE
I have acute myloid leukemia. I've actually been In remission for almost a month now.but don't get me wrong I had amazing doctors that beat it like a navy seal. Andyou are correct, I don't use one because meds take my entire disability check, and I figure since I'm with him 24/7 that it's ok for now. If you are serious I would absolutely adore that as a gift and would assuredly use it. I'm the type of person that likes to stick to my guns.but all of you guys (even the ones that made me mad) have convinced me to user one. At the ve Ry least it will keep him safe and I would be mortified if I burned him

---

I'm so glad you have good doctors, and I'm glad that your doing well! I hope your cancer never comes back! And I'm so glad that your willing to accept a Tstat and want to use it :) you've definitely proven me wrong so I apologize for saying that you wouldn't use a Tstat if one was provided. I hope your having a good day and I will continue to pray for you! Stay strong my friend. I know how devastating cancer is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

We derailed your thread buddy, and personally I apologize...I mentioned T-stats in the first place. I hope you got what you needed





http://i.imgur.com/WvvnT.png

---

No don't apologize lol someone said they were going to send Mr a fee one!!!

[QUOTE=AlexisFitzy;2192360]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

I'm so glad you have good doctors, and I'm glad that your doing well! I hope your cancer never comes back! And I'm so glad that your willing to accept a Tstat and want to use it :) you've definitely proven me wrong so I apologize for saying that you wouldn't use a Tstat if one was provided. I hope your having a good day and I will continue to pray for you! Stay strong my friend. I know how devastating cancer is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

I can build really good fake rock formations with water falls hides you name it. Just tell me what you want and I'll build it and send you every thing but a p pump

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

No don't apologize lol someone said they were going to send Mr a fee one!!!

---

Ohh, yeah ok...trust me I am a college kid, Free stuff=AWESOME!!! Also glad to hear you have a great prognosis, best wishes. I think everyone here is a bit dogmatic to some extent, and we all have reason to be...different experiences, different lives, different mistakes, different successes, etc...but I think these last few pages prove that at the end of the day we can all share an online group hug, and at least come to some mild agreement. The old man that taught me the bulk of what I know was wise and very kind, taught me how to not only care deeply for all walks of life, but also how to learn and grow...the latter is the hardest to comply with because it usually means swallowing your pride and realizing that your original mentor was not perfect and it is up to you to to hone your skills with further input from those around you...I will always have a deep respect for that old store owner, he cared for his animals and his community, but I will also build on and sharpen that instilled knowledge out of respect for my mentor in addition to the simple age old quest for the knowledge of all things.

Crap...got philosophical over the internet again. :rolleye2:

Check your inbox. It's a hydrofarm, but it's on the way.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192365]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

I can build really good fake rock formations with water falls hides you name it. Just tell me what you want and I'll build it and send you every thing but a p pump

---

Hahaha I like your sense of humor :) and I might have to take you up on your offer on day.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=AlexisFitzy;2192374]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

Hahaha I like your sense of humor :) and I might have to take you up on your offer on day.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

I think I speak for all of us when I say "pics or it didn't happen!" :)

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=patientz3ro;2192375]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

I think I speak for all of us when I say "pics or it didn't happen!" :)

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

---

Yeah! And Thermostat Porn didn't happen either, unless we see pics! And video.

[QUOTE=patientz3ro;2192375]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

I think I speak for all of us when I say "pics or it didn't happen!" :)

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

---

Wait what I'm confused? Pics of what? I'm sorry it's getting late and my brain is shutting down. Lol.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=AlexisFitzy;2192403]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by patientz3ro

Wait what I'm confused? Pics of what? I'm sorry it's getting late and my brain is shutting down. Lol.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

His fake rocks and stuff. I'm a HUGE fan of naturalistic terraria, so I want to see pics!

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=patientz3ro;2192409]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

His fake rocks and stuff. I'm a HUGE fan of naturalistic terraria, so I want to see pics!

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

---

Ohhh ok gotcha!! Thats what I thought but wasn't sure, and yeah I'd defiantly want to see pics of those too :) and the thermostat porn along with BrandiR Lolz.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[QUOTE=AlexisFitzy;2192403]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by patientz3ro

Wait what I'm confused? Pics of what? I'm sorry it's getting late and my brain is shutting down. Lol.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

I just uploaded a pic to my gallery

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NYHC4LIFE8899

Remember,what's hot for you is way hotter to your snake..let's say u weigh 150lbs and he weighs 2 lbs..what feels like nothing to you may be just enough for him

---

Off topic but I totally support this. People tend not to give much thought to this fact and they bathe their snake in 80'F - 90'F water then don't understand why their snake is flipping out all of a sudden. Fact: Snakes like to chill in chill water. (Room temp. ~75'F)

Also, soaking snakes when in blue is a bad idea- they do have oils that they secrete in this time especially that help with removing shed and soaking during this time may lead to skin sticking like glue. (or other adhesive substances) And to whoever might have missed this fact, snakes turn dark/normal color after going blue but before the actual shedding process begins. Any shedding occurring while they are in blue phase may lead to skin injury, raw flesh, and entirely missing scales as I have witnessed myself.

[QUOTE=brettliff;2192417]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

I just uploaded a pic to my gallery

---

Help out a noob - how do I access your gallery?


Sent from my TARDIS using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pythonminion

Off topic but I totally support this. People tend not to give much thought to this fact and they bathe their snake in 80'F - 90'F water then don't understand why their snake is flipping out all of a sudden. Fact: Snakes like to chill in chill water. (Room temp. ~75'F)

Also, soaking snakes when in blue is a bad idea- they do have oils that they secrete in this time especially that help with removing shed and soaking during this time may lead to skin sticking like glue. (or other adhesive substances) And to whoever might have missed this fact, snakes turn dark/normal color after going blue but before the actual shedding process begins. Any shedding occurring while they are in blue phase may lead to skin injury, raw flesh, and entirely missing scales as I have witnessed myself.

---

Yeah he never shed in blue. But I had clearly dried his tail out

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brettliff

Yeah he never shed in blue. But I had clearly dried his tail out

---

Then I would give that tail a heavy misting and see how it goes.

What Pythonminion is saying, correct me if I am misinterpreting you man, is that "blue" is the snake's natural physiology designed to aid the shedding process....do not fix what is not broken...intervention is only needed when you observe retained skin post blue, which is the case here with the tail. It's the reason why many people will let small bits of retained skin stay on until next shed simply because in the end, nature knows best. If it ends up being stubborn, just let it go and focus on your humidity like we discussed earlier

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

Then I would give that tail a heavy misting and see how it goes.

What Pythonminion is saying, correct me if I am misinterpreting you man, is that "blue" is the snake's natural physiology designed to aid the shedding process....do not fix what is not broken...intervention is only needed when you observe retained skin post blue, which is the case here with the tail. It's the reason why many people will let small bits of retained skin stay on until next shed simply because in the end, nature knows best. If it ends up being stubborn, just let it go and focus on your humidity like we discussed earlier

---

Very close, but your timeline is slightly off. "Blue" refers to the period when fluid builds up beneath the currently exposed eye scale, and the fresh one beneath it making the eye appear cloudy or bluish. The fluid build up is thought to help loosen the skin prior to shedding. After going "blue" (which is usually 5-7 days after the first signs of pink on the belly) the fluid recedes and the eye will appear normal again, in fact the whole animal looks pretty normal, it may be slightly dull or dark, and feel a bit rougher to the touch, but generally normal. 2-4 days AFTER coming out of blue is when you would expect to see the actual sloughing off of the skin. If they pass that time frame without shedding, that is when you want to start thinking of intervening. If they manage a partial shed (like you say with small bits) then it can safely be left until the next shed. If there is a complete circle of retained skin skin around the neck it has to be addressed before then as this could interfere with feeding, or retained eye caps since they won't be able to see very well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Badgemash

Very close, but your timeline is slightly off. "Blue" refers to the period when fluid builds up beneath the currently exposed eye scale, and the fresh one beneath it making the eye appear cloudy or bluish. The fluid build up is thought to help loosen the skin prior to shedding. After going "blue" (which is usually 5-7 days after the first signs of pink on the belly) the fluid recedes and the eye will appear normal again, in fact the whole animal looks pretty normal, it may be slightly dull or dark, and feel a bit rougher to the touch, but generally normal. 2-4 days AFTER coming out of blue is when you would expect to see the actual sloughing off of the skin. If they pass that time frame without shedding, that is when you want to start thinking of intervening. If they manage a partial shed (like you say with small bits) then it can safely be left until the next shed. If there is a complete circle of retained skin skin around the neck it has to be addressed before then as this could interfere with feeding, or retained eye caps since they won't be able to see very well.

---

I have never found it necessary to intervene before a specimen has attempted to shed, but I am also fortunate to live in an area with decent humidity and am pretty good at keeping my cage humidity up so yes I can see why someone would intervene in that time frame. Thanks for going into more detail, I wanted to keep it simple since Pythonminion nailed it down pretty good, but further clarification is always good.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

I have never found it necessary to intervene before a specimen has attempted to shed, but I am also fortunate to live in an area with decent humidity and am pretty good at keeping my cage humidity up so yes I can see why someone would intervene in that time frame. Thanks for going into more detail, I wanted to keep it simple since Pythonminion nailed it down pretty good, but further clarification is always good.

---

No worries, I just wanted to be absolutely clear for anyone who reads this thread in the future that there is a normal, natural, delay of a few days between coming out of blue, and actually shedding the skin. I would hate to see someone injure their snake thinking it was in trouble because it returned to a normal appearance but hadn't shed yet.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Badgemash

No worries, I just wanted to be absolutely clear for anyone who reads this thread in the future that there is a normal, natural, delay of a few days between coming out of blue, and actually shedding the skin. I would hate to see someone injure their snake thinking it was in trouble because it returned to a normal appearance but hadn't shed yet.

---

I hear ya, in addition to snakes I also worked with tarantulas at the store a lot...and ever since I got a phone call from a customer claiming that her new Rose hair gave birth to a still born overnight (of course it was just a shed obviously), I was extra careful to tell all future customers that the shed is done in one piece. ;) .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

I have never found it necessary to intervene before a specimen has attempted to shed, but I am also fortunate to live in an area with decent humidity and am pretty good at keeping my cage humidity up so yes I can see why someone would intervene in that time frame. Thanks for going into more detail, I wanted to keep it simple since Pythonminion nailed it down pretty good, but further clarification is always good.

---

NEVER intervene when the snake is in blue! They aren't ready to shed, they're just getting ready. The only time you should assist is after the snake has already shed and has stuck shed.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by patientz3ro

NEVER intervene when the snake is in blue! They aren't ready to shed, they're just getting ready. The only time you should assist is after the snake has already shed and has stuck shed.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk

---

That's what I meant...man exhaustion from finals must be leaking into my grammar. Sorry about that.