Fellow dog owners - what food do you feed?

I feed my pup Fromm. It was what her previous owner had started her on (their bulldog would only eat Fromm). I've stuck with it because it's a good food that she enjoys. Her coat is fantastic and her bowel movements are fine. Vet says she's 100% healthy.

Only downfall is if I grab the salmon one by accident she gets some horrible horrible horrible gas. :rage:

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This is really a crazy thread. We're talking dog food and I, among others, are telling people about the difference between feeding high quality food versus Pedigree and Science Diet...

For all we know, we're talking to people who feed Fruit Loops to their kids everyday for breakfast and chicken nuggets for lunch (very common thing in the USA).

If you're the fruit loops/chicken nuggets to your kids kinda person, the Pedigree is just going to fly over your head. Lots of children grow up and die of old age eating Fruit Loops for breakfast.

So, we Prey-Model Raw feeders would be like your human Paleo Dieters. The BARF/Blue Buffalo/Fromm/etc crowd are those who would go buy their groceries from Whole Foods and maybe the edges of Publix where the fresh stuff is or the middle part under the Health Food sign. The Science Dieters would be those who buy the main bulk of their groceries from the middle of Publix, and the Pedigree folks would be those who feed mainly on Ramen Noodles.

Here's the first 3 Pedigree ingredients:
Ground whole corn, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal

Corn - high protein, low biological value. Poultry by-product... beaks, feet, dregs. Maybe feathers. Maybe unidentifiable bird-like roadkill. High protein, low biological value.

In other words... Ramen Noodles. Crap Food.

What's very interesting about this is that there are lots of people who feed Prey-Model Raw, or BARF, or Fromm, or Blue Buffalo to their dogs who feed Fruit Loops everyday for breakfast and chicken nuggets everyday for lunch to their kids.

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Wow...this is one of the reasons I don't post a lot on this forum because someone always wants to argue about and opinionated/from experience comment. Or argue about a question that doesn't have a 100% correct answer. I didn't comment to argue. There is no perfect dog food to feed your dog. You feed your dog whatever You think is best and whatever food your dog will eat. My dog Would Not eat high priced dog food. If feeding my dog the only food he would eat makes me a bad person than I guess I'm an awful person that would feed my future children fruit loops and chicken nuggets. I don't really appreciate being labeled like that and anyone else who fed their dog the things you listed as bad probably would feel the same way. But that's all I have to say about this subject...To the OP once again whatever you decide to feed your new corgi puppy I hope it carries your dog through a long happy life with you :) keep us updated on him! Corgis are so cute!


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Wow...this is one of the reasons I don't post a lot on this forum because someone always wants to argue about and opinionated/from experience comment. Or argue about a question that doesn't have a 100% correct answer. I didn't comment to argue. There is no perfect dog food to feed your dog. You feed your dog whatever You think is best and whatever food your dog will eat. My dog Would Not eat high priced dog food. If feeding my dog the only food he would eat makes me a bad person than I guess I'm an awful person that would feed my future children fruit loops and chicken nuggets. I don't really appreciate being labeled like that and anyone else who fed their dog the things you listed as bad probably would feel the same way. But that's all I have to say about this subject...To the OP once again whatever you decide to feed your new corgi puppy I hope it carries your dog through a long happy life with you :) keep us updated on him! Corgis are so cute!


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I think the main point people are trying to make is that the main ingredients in a lot of brand name dog foods are actually things that dogs were never meant to eat and that can actually hurt their health. Dogs are not biologically designed to be able to digest corn or wheat or the artificial colorings and flavorings in most of these foods.

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Wow...this is one of the reasons I don't post a lot on this forum because someone always wants to argue about and opinionated/from experience comment. Or argue about a question that doesn't have a 100% correct answer. I didn't comment to argue. There is no perfect dog food to feed your dog. You feed your dog whatever You think is best and whatever food your dog will eat. My dog Would Not eat high priced dog food. If feeding my dog the only food he would eat makes me a bad person than I guess I'm an awful person that would feed my future children fruit loops and chicken nuggets. I don't really appreciate being labeled like that and anyone else who fed their dog the things you listed as bad probably would feel the same way. But that's all I have to say about this subject...To the OP once again whatever you decide to feed your new corgi puppy I hope it carries your dog through a long happy life with you :) keep us updated on him! Corgis are so cute!


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Theres a difference between price and quality, you're confusing the two. Raw diets, as others have said in the thread, can actually be cheaper than feeding kibble. You just have to plan a little and buy stuff in bulk. Your dog relies on you for food, just like your kids will. If you wanna feed your dog crappy food then go for it. It can't say no. It won't know its bad to eat. If you wanna feed your kids crappy mcdonalds everyday then go for it, they wont know its bad for them. There are cheaper, wayyyy healthier alternatives though. Rice and beans beats a big mac in price and nutrition. You see what i mean?

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I think the main point people are trying to make is that the main ingredients in a lot of brand name dog foods are actually things that dogs were never meant to eat and that can actually hurt their health. Dogs are not biologically designed to be able to digest corn or wheat or the artificial colorings and flavorings in most of these foods.

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I totally understand that 100% but saying that this one dog food is crap and this other dog food is great doesn't really help. Every dog is different and has different taste. Every dog on earth isn't going to eat this wonderful high priced awesome food that's supposed to be perfect. My dog wouldn't touch the highest quality of food. He was just picky. But if your dog will eat the high priced "quality" stuff then go ahead and feed it to them but if not, you have to feed it what it will eat. That's just my opinion.


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I totally understand that 100% but saying that this one dog food is crap and this other dog food is great doesn't really help. Every dog is different and has different taste. Every dog on earth isn't going to eat this wonderful high priced awesome food that's supposed to be perfect. My dog wouldn't touch the highest quality of food. He was just picky. But if your dog will eat the high priced "quality" stuff then go ahead and feed it to them but if not, you have to feed it what it will eat. That's just my opinion.


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There are many many quality brands of dog food, so I think there's probably one that will suit your dog. It just takes a bit of trial and error.

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This is really a crazy thread. We're talking dog food and I, among others, are telling people about the difference between feeding high quality food versus Pedigree and Science Diet...

For all we know, we're talking to people who feed Fruit Loops to their kids everyday for breakfast and chicken nuggets for lunch (very common thing in the USA).

If you're the fruit loops/chicken nuggets to your kids kinda person, the Pedigree is just going to fly over your head. Lots of children grow up and die of old age eating Fruit Loops for breakfast.

So, we Prey-Model Raw feeders would be like your human Paleo Dieters. The BARF/Blue Buffalo/Fromm/etc crowd are those who would go buy their groceries from Whole Foods and maybe the edges of Publix where the fresh stuff is or the middle part under the Health Food sign. The Science Dieters would be those who buy the main bulk of their groceries from the middle of Publix, and the Pedigree folks would be those who feed mainly on Ramen Noodles.

Here's the first 3 Pedigree ingredients:
Ground whole corn, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal

Corn - high protein, low biological value. Poultry by-product... beaks, feet, dregs. Maybe feathers. Maybe unidentifiable bird-like roadkill. High protein, low biological value.

In other words... Ramen Noodles. Crap Food.

What's very interesting about this is that there are lots of people who feed Prey-Model Raw, or BARF, or Fromm, or Blue Buffalo to their dogs who feed Fruit Loops everyday for breakfast and chicken nuggets everyday for lunch to their kids.

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Have to agree with everything that was mentioned here. Just because your dog/child (basically the same thing, especially if you don't have children) only likes Pedigree/Fruit Loops and lives to an old age doesn't mean they lived healthily. There is a HUGE difference between living to an old age and THRIVING to an old age. When you look at a dogs coat/teeth/breath/poop....you can tell if they are a low-quality food eater or a high-quality food eater.

What if your child only wanted to eat McDonalds??? Hasn't everyone seen Supersize Me? Would you give in? I am not a picky eater at all, and that is because growing up my parents exposed me to a variety of different (and healthy) foods. I remember there always being a slab of protein (fish, chicken, beef, pork, etc) a couple different veggies, and sometimes a whole grain carb (rice, bread). Home-cooked suppers 7 nights a week....not frozen chicken nuggets and microwave hungry man dinners.

To the OP: Do some research before purchasing a brand of food. Read the ingredients list, and use common sense. How in the world could "Ground whole corn, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal" sound/be healthier than "Chicken (ground with bone), turkey (ground with bone), whole herring". CORN IS CRAP! It is just a filler!! Why pay $50 for a bag of corn when you can pay $60 for a bag of chicken?

Whelp I'm done talking. But I hope you can find some great dog food for your puppy :)


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It's not false. Nor is it objective research. It's me sitting in my Animal Nutrition course, which is aimed entirely at the nutritional requirements of canine/feline diets what good methods are for providing them with solid maintenance nutrition throughout all life stages.

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Where are you taking this course and who is paying for it, because 99% of the animal nutrition courses are payed for byyyyy dog food companies!

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I attend the Vet Tech Institute of Houston. Nationally accredited program, and one of many existing schools. My nutrition class isn't geared or biased toward anything other than knowing what it takes to make up a healthy animal diet. They wouldn't be teaching us anything that we weren't meant to pass on to pet parents to ensure their animals' health. There is no emphasis towards any specific food brand or type.

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Yep, figures.. No wonder you are learning skewed and false information of animal nutrition, particularly dogs and cats, you are being taught by people who are paid by Hills

As far as kibbles go I preferred TOTW and Diamond Extreme Athlete, we have our pups on Wellness Core Puppy atm and they are doing decent, will be switching them to TOTW once this tiny bag is done

I have a suggestion for those picky eaters. There are a few methods to help transition a dog to a different food.

1) Gradually

or

2) Cold Turkey

Gradually: Slowly mix the new food into the old food. Feed 10% new food and 90% old food for a week. Slowly add more new food the next week to a 20% new food and 80% old food. Then the next week: 30% new food, 70% old food. The week after that: 40% new food, 60% old food, etc etc until there is only 100% new food.

Cold Turkey: Just offer the new food. If the dog doesn't eat, then it doesn't eat. Save the food for the next meal and don't offer anything until then. Offer the food for the next meal. If the dog still doesn't eat, then take away the food and don't offer anything until then. By the second or third day, the dog will most likely eat the food.
We turned my boyfriend's GSD from the pickiest eater ever to a strong feeder this way. She hated the new kibble she was given. She never ate when offered food. But she learned quickly that if she doesn't eat when offered, she doesn't get any food at all. She went 2 and a half days before she finally ate. Now she doesn't really care what kind of kibble she is fed and just eats it normally without hesitation.


You can even squirt some fish oil or sprinkle a tiny bit of freeze dried raw into the food to make it more appetizing for the dog.

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Hasn't everyone seen Supersize Me

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Wow...this is one of the reasons I don't post a lot on this forum because someone always wants to argue about and opinionated/from experience comment. Or argue about a question that doesn't have a 100% correct answer. I didn't comment to argue. There is no perfect dog food to feed your dog. You feed your dog whatever You think is best and whatever food your dog will eat. My dog Would Not eat high priced dog food. If feeding my dog the only food he would eat makes me a bad person than I guess I'm an awful person that would feed my future children fruit loops and chicken nuggets. I don't really appreciate being labeled like that and anyone else who fed their dog the things you listed as bad probably would feel the same way. But that's all I have to say about this subject...To the OP once again whatever you decide to feed your new corgi puppy I hope it carries your dog through a long happy life with you :) keep us updated on him! Corgis are so cute!


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I didn't comment to argue either. I commented to educate. Lots and lots of people don't bother reading up on these things so I offer what I learned from my research to you. For free. I'm not telling you you're a bad dog parent. I'm merely telling you Pedigree is crap food, which, of course, you didn't know.

Of course there's a perfect food. Even for humans. We just can't afford it or have the society set up for it to be sustainable or accessible. That doesn't mean that it stops being the perfect food.

Everything is a compromise on value, cost, accessibility, work, and physiology and other factors specific and unique to your dog. Lots of high priced food is crap. Lots of low priced food isn't. If you're trying to go on a compromise on value and cost, it is silly to buy high priced crap food and pretty good idea to buy low cost nutritional food. And it is not a good idea to spend money on crap food when you can spend that same amount on higher quality ones.

But, regardless of all that compromise, crap food will always remain crap food. And that goes for Ramen Noodles. But yeah, cold, freezing temps after a hurricane just blew through the house... you'll find me eating hot Ramen Noodles. I do love the taste of them.

Oh, and about cost...

If you live close to Rodentpro, you can get their rabbits, quails, and chickens for your dog. Whole prey. The thing that makes Rodentpro unbelievably expensive is shipping.

Orijen kibble, and wellness CORE canned.

Quick question from a veterinary professional....


looking through the past few pages (and I just scanned) I did see some posts saying that Science Diet was crap.

Do you have some hard evidence to support that assessment??

I may have missed it in the last 7 pages, but I am genuinely interested in any evidence you have have...

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Quick question from a veterinary professional....


looking through the past few pages (and I just scanned) I did see some posts saying that Science Diet was crap.

Do you have some hard evidence to support that assessment??

I may have missed it in the last 7 pages, but I am genuinely interested in any evidence you have have...

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Yea just read the ingredients list lol. I think nikki listed the first 10.

Yeeeah definitely agree with Science diet being crap. Granted, it's no more crap than any other corn-based food, but it comes with the pricetag of a grain-free food.

Corn = crap

ingredients don't make the dog food necessarily; it's ingredient quality.

I haven't been able to find any "real" science coroborating the "corn is the devil" myth either. It may be subjectively unhealthy for people, but dogs do not have the same nutritional needs as people do...


Sorry if I sound set in my way; I just need more than anecdotal evidence to convince me


Don't telly me you're on the "corn is devil" wagon Anya...

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ingredients don't make the dog food necessarily; it's ingredient quality.

I haven't been able to find any "real" science coroborating the "corn is the devil" myth either. It may be subjectively unhealthy for people, but dogs do not have the same nutritional needs as people do...


Sorry if I sound set in my way; I just need more than anecdotal evidence to convince me

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Nikki also mentioned it's been shown to cause tumors. Not sure if she mentioned it here or somewhere else.

EDIT: i'm pretty sure that may have been somewhere else actually, not here.

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Don't telly me you're on the "corn is devil" wagon Anya...

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Sure am. Do I still feed food with corn to my dogs? Yeah, I do. But I'm not going to deny it's not the best thing for them.

Dogs are carnivores. Corn is non digestible filler. In most dog foods it's ingredient #1 and #2. To me it's clear. End of story.

*shrugs* plus I've seen the difference between a cat and dog fed on traditional dogfood, and a cat and dog fed corn free. The difference was amazing. I am slightly ashamed that my dogs aren't corn-free, but that's just the way things are right now.

I just wonder where the scientific data is at, that's all.

Dogs are NOT little people, no matter how the media tries to portray them. Dogs are also (contrary to popular belief) not carnivores. The very makeup of their dental arcade proves that; they have molars and premolars in copious numbers. Cats only have one set of molars, and they are vestigial at best. This makes cats carnivores.

The presence of premolars shows that dogs were designed to be omnivores. In the wild, dogs are more like bears actually; they will eat many berries and other plant-based items.

This difference is also seen in the severity of infection from dog vs cat bites. Cats, being carnivores, are more likely to cause severe infection in their bites. Dog bites, on the other hand, are less prone to these deadly septic infections.

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Dogs are NOT little people, no matter how the media tries to portray them. Dogs are also (contrary to popular belief) not carnivores. The very makeup of their dental arcade proves that; they have molars and premolars in copious numbers. Cats only have one set of molars, and they are vestigial at best. This makes cats carnivores.

The presence of premolars shows that dogs were designed to be omnivores. In the wild, dogs are more like bears actually; they will eat many berries and other plant-based items.

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Touche.

I agree dogs are not little people, and behaviorally should not be treated as such. But your argument here only proves my point further- They are omnivorous mammals, like us. Corn is NOT good for us. I don't even have to good scientific evidence for that one. I know it's out there.

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I just wonder where the scientific data is at, that's all.

Dogs are NOT little people, no matter how the media tries to portray them. Dogs are also (contrary to popular belief) not carnivores. The very makeup of their dental arcade proves that; they have molars and premolars in copious numbers. Cats only have one set of molars, and they are vestigial at best. This makes cats carnivores.

The presence of premolars shows that dogs were designed to be omnivores. In the wild, dogs are more like bears actually; they will eat many berries and other plant-based items.

This difference is also seen in the severity of infection from dog vs cat bites. Cats, being carnivores, are more likely to cause severe infection in their bites. Dog bites, on the other hand, are less prone to these deadly septic infections.

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You're mistaken. Their molars are somewhat flat for grinding down meat and bones. But their premolars aren't flat at all. They aren't meant to grind vegetable matter. Their premolars are for slicing meat.

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...c/dogpage.html

My dog is currently on a specific Science Diet allergy food. If I had my choice I'd feed him Nutro brand dog food. :D

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Touche.

Corn is NOT good for us.

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too MUCH corn is not good for us; this is where I don't get people. Get a couple studies in rats that show corn is bad for humans and suddenly it must be bad for dogs too. Do you know what they usually do in those kind of studies to the rats?? I had a friend who worked in the NIH; they force feed the rats the compounds they are analyzing and look at the effects then. Or they feed them to genetically screwed up animals that CANT metabolize the oils and see what happens. It's never on "real" human analogs...


I need to stop posting in this thread before I start really going off lol

Blah! Fine! you're smarter than us all, Meph. We bow down to your science-diet worshiping ways.

:P

(You remind me waaaaaay too much of my dad. Still.)

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too MUCH corn is not good for us; this is where I don't get people. Get a couple studies in rats that show corn is bad for humans and suddenly it must be bad for dogs too. Do you know what they usually do in those kind of studies to the rats?? I had a friend who worked in the NIH; they force feed the rats the compounds they are analyzing and look at the effects then. Or they feed them to genetically screwed up animals that CANT metabolize the oils and see what happens. It's never on "real" human analogs...


I need to stop posting in this thread before I start really going off lol

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You keep saying "corn" but the ingredient in SD is "corn gluten meal"... Theres a difference.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-fo...ood-adult-dry/

it has nothing to do with being more or less intelligent;


foolish ones put faith in every word that floats by:

OH NO corn is bad!!!

OH NO microwaves are bad!!!


Give it time and the pet food industry will shift to a "Protein is the devil" stance, and then everyone will be against that.

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Blah! Fine! you're smarter than us all, Meph. We bow down to your science-diet worshiping ways.

:P

(You remind me waaaaaay too much of my dad. Still.)

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I've heard girls tend to marry men like their fathers. Aren't you and meph both in cali....? :D

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it has nothing to do with being more or less intelligent;


foolish ones put faith in every word that floats by:

OH NO corn is bad!!!

OH NO microwaves are bad!!!


Give it time and the pet food industry will shift to a "Protein is the devil" stance, and then everyone will be against that.

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Corn gluten meal***

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You keep saying "corn" but the ingredient in SD is "corn gluten meal"... Theres a difference.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-fo...ood-adult-dry/

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Which, if used properly is a good source of cysteine, a normal amino acid found in just about anything else.

I don't doubt that it can have adverse affects, but to say that just because a food has corn (corn gluten meal) in it it must be bad is horse hockey

since I didn't actually answer the thread question, lol...

I feed either Pedigree or Purina. Whichever happens to be cheapest at the time. (I'm a bad person.)

My favorite dogfood by far, for nutrition and value, is Tractor Supply's brand, Diamond Naturals. It has brewer's rice, so isn't grain free, but is corn free. And that makes me feel a whole lot better. Plus, I can always see the difference in our dogs. Their coats are healthier, they're healthier, everything's better.

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I've heard girls tend to marry men like their fathers. Aren't you and meph both in cali....? :D

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shut up mike:P:P


And, to follow suit, I don't have a dog, so I don't feed it anything.

I do know that animals that are fed the PROPER AMOUNT of science diet for their body weight do better than those fed most other brands, but that I would normally feed stuff like Taste of the Wild any day. It's just hard to make sure people feed the right amount, which IMO is the main reason we have so many pet food problems.

It's not that is HAS corn gluten meal, it's that it's MOSTLY corn gluten meal. Everything in moderation- and that is not moderation. And animal that is PRIMARILY carnivorous should not be PRIMARILY feeding on CORN.

And yes, shut up, Mike. I wanna smack him right now, lol.

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shut up mike:P:P


t I would normally feed stuff like Taste of the Wild any day. It's just hard to make sure people feed the right amount, which IMO is the main reason we have so many pet food problems.

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Finally, something I can agree with, lol.

Soooo if you can find cysteine in other things why load your food with a by product?

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And yes, shut up, Mike. I wanna smack him right now, lol.

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Maybe thats what he's into...?

DO NOT ask your dad about that to compare!

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You're mistaken. Their molars are somewhat flat for grinding down meat and bones. But their premolars aren't flat at all. They aren't meant to grind vegetable matter. Their premolars are for slicing meat.

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...c/dogpage.html

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This also shows dogs are in fact carnivores....

EDIT: (scientific evidence)

true; however i'll use a simple analogy to convey my point.


In many LEGO sets, there are yellow bricks. I have yellow bricks in my Star Wars ones and in my moon landing one.


If my dog required yellow bricks for nutrition, would it matter if I got them from the moon landing set or from the star wars sets??



That being said, I recognize that the good points in corn may be overshadowed by the bad. However, what many people (most of the veterinary field included) do not see is that if they would look at the NUTRITIONAL value of a food over the ingredients, and feed accordingly, even Ol Roy could keep a dog healthy.

I just see/hear too many people putting their dogs on these weirdo health freak diets, and I see the dogs suffering for it later. Oh they don't have a corn allergy, but they have almost every immune disease there is, improperly formed bones due to lack of minerals, lack of eyesight and hearing because of amino acid imbalance, etc.

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Soooo if you can find cysteine in other things why load your food with a by product?

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"Because its sterile and I like the taste"


why waste something that can be recycled??

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This also shows dogs are in fact carnivores....

EDIT: (scientific evidence)

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going to google scholar pulls up articles from actual scholarly journals (granted I can't post direct links because they want me to buy the article) that refer to dogs as omnivores.

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true; however i'll use a simple analogy to convey my point.


In many LEGO sets, there are yellow bricks. I have yellow bricks in my Star Wars ones and in my moon landing one.


If my dog required yellow bricks for nutrition, would it matter if I got them from the moon landing set or from the star wars sets??



That being said, I recognize that the good points in corn may be overshadowed by the bad. However, what many people (most of the veterinary field included) do not see is that if they would look at the NUTRITIONAL value of a food over the ingredients, and feed accordingly, even Ol Roy could keep a dog healthy.

I just see/hear too many people putting their dogs on these weirdo health freak diets, and I see the dogs suffering for it later. Oh they don't have a corn allergy, but they have almost every immune disease there is, improperly formed bones due to lack of minerals, lack of eyesight and hearing because of amino acid imbalance, etc.

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The difference is that in the star wars set the yellow bricks aren't provided as by products, they're provided more naturally.

Yea I'm sure there are plenty of people that do that. You can't fix stupid, lol. There are places to seek out info on the proper ways to feed a raw diet. They aren't that hard to find, it's just that Petco doesnt have them lol

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going to google scholar pulls up articles from actual scholarly journals (granted I can't post direct links because they want me to buy the article) that refer to dogs as omnivores.

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Are you saying you don't trust CSU's zoology program or vet school...? Because last time i checked they were one of the top ones in the nation.

and really, many of our domestic breeds have been altered so much they don't want a raw diet

I feed my 2 male labs blue earth brand dog food, salmon/sweet potato blend. They get veggies for treats, and the occasional bacon grease drizzled over their food. Sometimes a cheeseburger if we swing by mcdonalds after some time at the dog park.

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BS...lol. Only an animal USED to not having a raw diet doesn't want it.

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and really, many of our domestic breeds have been altered so much they don't want a raw diet

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Not true. Nikki described simple methods to switch them over earlier in the thread.

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how do you know that they don't "want" a raw diet... have any dogs told you it or... turned up their nose?
I shouldnt get into this I know, but that stood out to me. Many dogs will eat anything and everything (mine is living proof...minus green beans) others will eat nothing but kibble and some will eat "crap" kibble.... Untill we can read their minds, we won't know what they "want", but thanks to science and research, we have an idea to what they NEED

Poor Meph, just trying to play devil's advocate...getting all beaten up. :P

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Poor Meph, just trying to play devil's advocate...getting all beaten up. :P

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You should make it up to him by letting him take you out to dinner! :D

I think he got all grumpy-pants and took his toys and left...