Split from Scaleless BP - Feeding Live Debate

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Originally Posted by sho220

Right now, B.O.S is probably trying to figure out what these have to do with ball pythons...:D
http://cobornsdelivers.files.wordpre...pg?w=300&h=199

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Like trying to figure out a safe responsible method to feed them to his snakes....

Obviously.....

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

The drama died down in his AP Cages thread so the OP felt the uncontrollable need to start a thread he knew darn well would cause an uproar with his limited "experience" on something he knows nothing about and close-mindedness. Bravo OP! You've been a true gem on this board lately.

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Much like a 5-year-old...any attention is good attention...:)

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Like trying to figure out a safe responsible method to feed them to his snakes....

Obviously.....

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lol...don't give him any ideas...

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

So you don't think wild snakes die from rodents?
Why am I still arguing? Lol
You guys are stupid enough to feed live, I should've expected stupid comments.

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Really? Really? You are calling the many knowledgeable people on here that breed and keep snakes stupid???? Well, then I guess I must be stupid too because I have fed live prey in the past with no issues. I have also fed f/t to snakes that would readily accept it. You are a total newbie and for you to come on here and preach about what feeding method people should not do is just ignorant. Calling people stupid is really unnecessary and makes an ass out of you. Some folks have been keeping snakes for a very long time and I would trust their methods and information before I would even think of taking your advice. Grow up and when you can learn to play nice with others, then open your mouth.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Much like a 5-year-old...any attention is good attention...:)

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At least i'm funny when i cause a scene to get attention!

Nikki loves it when were in an expo and she won't buy me the snake i want so i rip off my shirt and start banging my head on the floor. :D

Episode 19 of the award winning controversial drama: B.O.S Reptiles

Should be your slogan, 'Never fails to poke the sleeping dragon.'

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

At least i'm funny when i cause a scene to get attention!

Nikki loves it when were in an expo and she won't buy me the snake i want so i rip off my shirt and start banging my head on the floor. :D

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Don't let me bust out the belt.
I am not afraid to punish you for that bratty behavior in public.

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I honestly can't believe that someone who claims to "care" about his animals the way this kid does would come to a forum dedicated to the care and advancement of those animals and pull this kind of stuff...

It's counter-productive, and he seems to REALLY enjoy that.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

My Dumeril's has scares and scabs all over her head, which the previous owner admitted was from feeding live. A snake at the nearest pet store was killed by it's prey about two weeks ago. That's the only personal experience I have, but that's enough for my common sense to say "hmm... Maybe feeding live isn't as swell as people think". Perhaps I'm a hypocrite because I have fed live (when I first started keeping), and I didn't have the materials to euthanize Duma's last meal.

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Didn't have the materials? The edge of any table works fine. Equate it to a giant as tall as a sky scraper picking you up and banging you on the edge of a skyscraper. You're gonna die quick, like instantly.

Why don people think you need a Co2 chamber, or pithing kit to kill a rodent humanely? Because it seems more barbaric slamming them into the edge of a table? Or hitting them in the head with a hard screwdriver handle? It's not any les humane trust me.


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Originally Posted by sho220

Right now, B.O.S is probably trying to figure out what these have to do with ball pythons...:D
http://cobornsdelivers.files.wordpre...pg?w=300&h=199

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Apple Bobbin' in the Halloween themed enclosure! Easy.

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Originally Posted by sho220

B.O.S is a clueless newb. I'd take what he says with a grain of salt...

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This ^^^^^ And here we go again with another of his threads. This kid is clueless, and obviously starved for attention. I think I might finally actually use the ignore button, because I honestly can't read anymore of this stupid nonsense that comes from him.

But what is sad, is like what kat said. Some clueless new person, who wants to learn things might happen upon his babble. For those people-

My balls all eat live and they are just fine. Live is perfectly fine when done responsibly. Like anything, done responsibly. Just like you dont drive down the road drunk, you dont leave a rat alone with a snake and walk away for hours. F/T carries its own set of risks, and many balls will not take them.

But I guess you're right, the balls in Africa have no clue what they are doing, someone should kill their rats for them. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Didn't have the materials? The edge of any table works fine. Equate it to a giant as tall as a sky scraper picking you up and banging you on the edge of a skyscraper. You're gonna die quick, like instantly.

Why don people think you need a Co2 chamber, or pithing kit to kill a rodent humanely? Because it seems more barbaric slamming them into the edge of a table? Or hitting them in the head with a hard screwdriver handle? It's not any les humane trust me.


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B.O.S can disregard all that and just annoy them to death...although I'm not sure that's any more humane...

That Ignore button is becoming handier and handier as the months wear on, I'm tellin' ya. ;)

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Didn't have the materials? The edge of any table works fine. Equate it to a giant as tall as a sky scraper picking you up and banging you on the edge of a skyscraper. You're gonna die quick, like instantly.

Why don people think you need a Co2 chamber, or pithing kit to kill a rodent humanely? Because it seems more barbaric slamming them into the edge of a table? Or hitting them in the head with a hard screwdriver handle? It's not any les humane trust me.

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WOW I don't even know what to say about this. Fact is, banging a rat into a table or wall just as frequently ticks them off or breaks their back and leaves them alive and in agony as it does kill them. Cervical dislocation or CO2 asphyxiation are both humane methods of euthanizing rats. You, as a human being who has the ability to rationalize about what you're doing to another living being that is at your mercy, have the obligation to make sure you're humanely killing your feeder animals, instead of subjecting them to unnecessary pain.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

Feeding live is a stupid idea for any snakes

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Pretty sure every time my snake eats their food it is dead. Doesn't mean at some point it was alive a minute or so before they swallowed it.

What a terribly biased and uneducated statement. As others have said, some snakes need to be given live prey. Seems like wherever there's controversy around here these days, the OP is usually stirring the pot.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

Yes! Finally you get it...

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That was totally uncalled for. You are showing your ignorance in spades. That on top of being a know it all child.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

That was totally uncalled for. You are showing your ignorance in spades. That on top of being a know it all child.

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I honestly believe this is the ONLY attention he knows how to get.

It's sad.

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Originally Posted by Inarikins

WOW I don't even know what to say about this. Fact is, banging a rat into a table or wall just as frequently ticks them off or breaks their back and leaves them alive and in agony as it does kill them. Cervical dislocation or CO2 asphyxiation are both humane methods of euthanizing rats. You, as a human being who has the ability to rationalize about what you're doing to another living being that is at your mercy, have the obligation to make sure you're humanely killing your feeder animals, instead of subjecting them to unnecessary pain.

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When I euthanize them, and they go limp instantly, and never move again, shows me that I did it right. Quick and painless. I'm not a big fan of p/k or killing rats if I don't have to, and only do it for one of my snakes that has a nasty habit of biting in the wrong spot and getting bit.

I have 4 pet rats that we frequently handle and play with, and care for just like any pet. But when the time come to kill a feeder, it doesn't get any quicker than instant. I make sure I do it hard enough to not have to take a second crack at it.

Like I said it seems barbaric, but that's because it is. It's brutal. But it gets the job done quickly. I don't necessarily like doing it, but it's a necessary evil sometimes.

So in reply to your post: there is no unnecessary pain, because there is no pain at all.


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I guess more people than I realized don't practice responsibility in feeding their pets. Who knew.

This thread is making me really sad.

There's no pain at all with CO2 asphyxiation. You start them off slow, they pass out without being scared, then they're dead. You think being stuffed in a dark bag and being swung around and then being slammed into a wall is any less painless?

Fact remains that CO2 is approved by vet associations for being one of the only ways (cervical dislocation being another) to humanely euthanize a rat in the home.

This really isn't a hard concept to grasp, that CO2 is humane, and being slammed into the edge of a table is not.

Just let me put down another name of someone I will never do business with.

OP, how you conduct yourself on the forums goes a long way to either build up or tear down your reputation. Right now, I think you're digging to China with how low your reputation is getting. For me, you have ZERO credibility. I can't trust anything you say and based on some of your comments, I don't think I could trust doing any business with you: buying or selling.

That also means that nothing you say can be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

A snake will eventually get hungry enough and take f/t. If not...
Freshly killed √

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No. No they won't.

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I only have two snakes, a bp and cal king, but you don't see me parading myself around this site like my.... yeah... don't stink. The cal king eats live because he's wild caught, he eats mice which are small but still he eats live. My bp eats live as well, I've tried switching him over to f/t and he just won't have it. He looks the dead rat like I'm stupid and then goes back into his hide. He gives the same reaction to pre killed. Except the one time he killed the rat then got distracted by a bird flying by the window and I held the dead rat in front of him and he took that.... anyway. I would prefer to feed f/t because it is "safer" if done right, but feeding live is safe if you do it right to. I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but I figured why not I'm a bit of newbie when it comes to pythons, I've been keeping colubrids for a lot longer, so there's a newbies perspective for you b.o.s. Please don't scare those that want to learn away.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

My Dumeril's has scares and scabs all over her head, which the previous owner admitted was from feeding live. A snake at the nearest pet store was killed by it's prey about two weeks ago. That's the only personal experience I have, but that's enough for my common sense to say "hmm... Maybe feeding live isn't as swell as people think". Perhaps I'm a hypocrite because I have fed live (when I first started keeping), and I didn't have the materials to euthanize Duma's last meal.

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Wait guys, let me get this right.......


in the other thread i pointed out that i dont think the scales of a BP with normal scales offer any meaningful protection against rat bites.

and that caused the whole thread to go so offtopic that the mods had to splice it, and it turned into an excrementstorm of such epic proportions that it accumulated 72 replies in just 10 hours? :O :O

how exactly did that happen? :weirdface

anyway, its now its own thread about FT/pre-killed versus live.

i think a healthy BP constricts so fast and so hard that the rat has no real chance to bite. and when you notice that the BP is a bit lazy and not constricting hard enough, you take your pliers and pull the rats tail or wiggle the rat a bit and then the BP will constrict it really hard.

i think thats the defense against rat bites. thats why injuries to the snake are so rare when feeding live. they are just damn good at killing rhodents. and when one of the seniors here on the forum says he did 20000 live feedings without serious injury to a BP, i believe it.

and for scaleless BPs, i hope this will not be much different.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

Wait guys, let me get this right.......


in the other thread i pointed out that i dont think the scales of a BP with normal scales offer any meaningful protection against rat bites.

and that caused the whole thread to go so offtopic that the mods had to splice it, and it turned into an excrementstorm of such epic proportions that it accumulated 72 replies in just 10 hours? :O :O

how exactly did that happen? :weirdface

anyway, its now its own thread about FT/pre-killed versus live.

i think a healthy BP constricts so fast and so hard that the rat has no real chance to bite. and when you notice that the BP is a bit lazy and not constricting hard enough, you take your pliers and pull the rats tail or wiggle the rat a bit and then the BP will constrict it really hard.

i think thats the defense against rat bites. thats why injuries to the snake are so rare when feeding live. they are just damn good at killing rhodents. and when one of the seniors here on the forum says he did 20000 live feedings without serious injury to a BP, i believe it.

and for scaleless BPs, i hope this will not be much different.

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I suppose so...
And I do agree with you for the most part..

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

and when one of the seniors here on the forum says he did 20000 live feedings without serious injury to a BP, i believe it.

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Robin (Rabernet) is a she, not a he...:)

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

and for scaleless BPs, i hope this will not be much different.

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I can see people being a little more weary of feeding live to scaleless bps because IF it were to happen I think it might be a worse injury. That being said I have no experience in the matter as far as scaleless snakes go so I'm just guessing here.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Robin (Rabernet) is a she, not a he...:)

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I feel bad for Robin...always being called a "he". <3

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

A snake will eventually get hungry enough and take f/t. If not...
Freshly killed √

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I've talked to you about this when you stated this in another thread. This is far from the truth.

On a side note, I'm not sure why you keep posting stuff like this because all you're doing is making people angry with you and while I know you said you're not here to make friends. At some point you're not going to end up getting ignored by the entire site so nobody will see you post and you'll end up talking to yourself. You need to chill man. Remember what I said the other day about improving your image in the hobby?

Everytime I see you take a step forward with a nice apology or something right, within that same 24 hour window you're taking 2 steps back. Chill before everybody ignores you.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

Wait guys, let me get this right.......


in the other thread i pointed out that i dont think the scales of a BP with normal scales offer any meaningful protection against rat bites.

and that caused the whole thread to go so offtopic that the mods had to splice it, and it turned into an excrementstorm of such epic proportions that it accumulated 72 replies in just 10 hours? :O :O

how exactly did that happen? :weirdface

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Feels good not to be you anymore doesn't it? :gj:


On the topic of live VS Frozen, most of my ball pythons eat frozen thawed. Some of them don't and never will, they eat live.
Feed your snake what it's willing to eat. It's not rocket science.



And now I'd like to leave you with a little food for thought....

He who knows not and knows not that he knows not: he is a fool - shun him.
He who knows not and knows he knows not: he is ignorant - teach him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows: he is asleep - wake him.
He who knows and knows he knows: he is wise - follow him.

:banana::banana::banana:

It's a good thing I'm not on staff. Were I the ban hammer would have fallen on this immature idiotic attention seeking crybaby kid. Who needs this kind of crap day in and day out? Talk about a waste of bandwidth!

Kid, there are some who just aren't worth the time it takes to inform them of how foolish, stupid, rude, and stupid they are. I say this not for you, because you epitomize that person, but for those who may think that more patience on their part may be of some benefit to you. You're not worth the time already wasted on you.

You're and expert. Great, go show off somewhere else. Start your own site and invite all your other 12 year old youtube experts to come flagellate themselves with you, have a nice big circle jerk, because you are just worthless.

Other than as an example of what NOT to be, I can see no reason for you to be allowed to continue your presence here. Therefore, to me, you no longer exist. I just cleaned the dog crap in my back yard and now I've cleaned the kid crap here. What a loverly day it's going to be.

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

Feeding live is a stupid idea for any snakes

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I for one am NOT going to read through 9 pages of this.
I will say you might need to get a couple more years of experience under your belt before you start regurging everything you read on the net.;)
Snakes have been eating live longer than your family has been walking on the face of this earth without our help.

When you get up to a quantity that it is more cost effective to breed your own rodents, then you will appreciate feeding live and not having to toss out anything.


On a side note, as of what I have seen from your posts in the past couple days. Are you really wanting to try and be the "shock jock" of BP.Net??



EDIT AS TO NOT PAD MY POST COUNT:

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Originally Posted by B.O.S Reptiles

So you don't think wild snakes die from rodents?
Why am I still arguing? Lol
You guys are stupid enough to feed live, I should've expected stupid comments.

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Not that I have lost more of my life reading senseless dribble, Are you REALLY trying to get banned from yet another reptile forum?? You might want to take a break and rethink your action and what you type in the open public. I know I made myself crystal clear on how I stand in out FB conversations. I don't feel that I should have to repeat it here.

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Originally Posted by Inarikins

There's no pain at all with CO2 asphyxiation. You start them off slow, they pass out without being scared, then they're dead. You think being stuffed in a dark bag and being swung around and then being slammed into a wall is any less painless?

Fact remains that CO2 is approved by vet associations for being one of the only ways (cervical dislocation being another) to humanely euthanize a rat in the home.

This really isn't a hard concept to grasp, that CO2 is humane, and being slammed into the edge of a table is not.

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

I guess more people than I realized don't practice responsibility in feeding their pets. Who knew.

This thread is making me really sad.

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I guess yet another soul appeases the gods of ignorance.

I stated before that I feed live, and do so 99% of the time. There had been a FEW instances that I have pre-killed a rat for one of my snakes. I'm not going to go through the hassle of buying all the materials needed, and the effort to construct a Co2 chamber, or order a pithing kit for a rare occurrence.

You may not like it, and you may think its "inhumane," but that is simply an opinion of yours. If you don't like following those practices then don't. I'm not holding a gun to your head saying "accept my practices or die" am I?

What is the definition of humane? Without compassion for misery or suffering; cruel. The rat isn't miserable or suffering, it is dying immediately. You may think this practice is barbaric, primitive/unsophisticated, which it is. But it gets the job done quickly.

This is one of those things that many many breeders/keepers do, but don't talk about because it gets negative attention. I feel free to be open about my practices because I know the scientific truth behind it, but don't worry about the squeam factor it instills in people.

Anyone wants to call it irresponsible, that's their prerogative, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not.

On a side note my pet rats just had their first litter. Looks to be about 10 babies, but she just gave birth about 3 hours ago so I'm letter her do her thing. Very cute little babies.

I have a heart for all living things, that's why I do my best to euthanize as quickly as I can. And by quickly I mean immediate.


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Alright then. The brilliant child decided to get cheeky with staff and has earned himself a 30 day time out. No sense letting this little bash-fest go on any longer.

One thing I do feel compelled to point out, though. Some folks...in their great wisdom...suggested in multiple threads and in multiple ways....that this kid should learn to IGNORE negative comments, because any sort of reply just fans the flame. And yet...when it comes to ignoring HIS negative comments, those same folks seem incapable of doing so, and the wild fire rages on. Did he bring it on himself? Certainly. But there are two sources of fuel for those wild fires and he is only one half of the formula.

Just a little food for thought. Let's go back to loving our animals.