Cobra

I think we need a mascot...


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Also, I really like the idea of an objective review board. Good call!


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Give or take....Some of them (like anna) weren't necessarily interested as much as intrigued.

would you like to PM the following ones to double check their feelings on it??

Mrl249
Brian B801
Mike41793
Annarose15
Expensive hobby

I think that TRACKSTRONG83 would make a valuable member....he really seemed interested in joining

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Give or take....Some of them (like anna) weren't necessarily interested as much as intrigued.

would you like to PM the following ones to double check their feelings on it??

Mrl249
Brian B801
Mike41793
Annarose15
Expensive hobby

I think that TRACKSTRONG83 would make a valuable member....he really seemed interested in joining

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Meph you missed my post.

Which one??

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Originally Posted by Neal

Alright, so the first two members were Meph and myself. Meph started the whole idea. That put's us as two board members. Then Anya came and Serpent Merchant as well. So that's 4 board members.

Any donations would be helpful, but not mandatory. They would simply help keep the sub forum open.

Meph would you like me to do the organizing of donations and what not? I'm a very good organizer.

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^^This one.

I agree with the mission and guidelines thus far and the fact that you are infact the founding pres per say. until we can get the funds to start the subforum I think we should creat an easier way for us to communicate by our selves

I saw that....yes I would like you to get the donations in order


@crepers

I don't want you to PM them for their input on how things should be run....just on if they want to join

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Originally Posted by MootWorm

I think we need a mascot...


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a False Water Cobra?!?!

We can vote on our mascot once we get everything setup. Let's focus on getting the member list sorted out along with the donations.

Okay, so I'm going to send messages regarding this.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

@crepers

I don't want you to PM them for their input on how things should be run....just on if they want to join

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huh?

Ok I think that May work :)


Sorry for the confusion earlier....sleepiness is beginning to affect me lol

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Originally Posted by crepers86

huh?

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Disregard that.....sleep induced hallucination

ok no problem

Ok....RECAP so far



Neal is getting the member list sorted out

ME, NEAL, ANYA, and SERPENT MERCHANT are the tenative Board of Directors

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I have to turn in for the evening, and will be unavailable for the rest of the evening and most of tomorrow (and Monday for that matter...School :slamhead: )

Neal, I leave you in charge for now until some of the other board members get their butts in here...then work with them. Make sure they review the rough draft of the TOS


AND everyone else: feel free to request membership here or to PM me or Neal so you can get in on this

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Ok....RECAP so far



Neal is getting the member list sorted out

ME, NEAL, ANYA, and SERPENT MERCHANT are the tenative Board of Directors

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I have to turn in for the evening, and will be unavailable for the rest of the evening and most of tomorrow (and Monday for that matter...School :slamhead: )

Neal, I leave you in charge for now until some of the other board members get their butts in here...then work with them. Make sure they review the rough draft of the TOS


AND everyone else: feel free to request membership here or to PM me or Neal so you can get in on this

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Will do. I'm at work but I do have access to a PC but only for today. Normally while I'm at work I don't have a PC to use. I'll keep looking around and I'm keeping Aaron(Serp Merch) informed on what's going on as well.

I'm here now!

I accept my appointment, lol.

NEEEEEEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!!!
:rolleye2::rolleye2: i kidd :rolleye2::rolleye2:

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NEEEEEEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!!!
:rolleye2::rolleye2: i kidd :rolleye2::rolleye2:

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In all seriousness, are you interested in joining?

u guys are crazy

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

u guys are crazy

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It's not about being crazy, it's about wanting to give back to the community and have dedicated helpers.

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Originally Posted by Neal

It's not about being crazy, it's about wanting to give back to the community and have dedicated helpers.

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^ there's the crazy speak...

(I kid, I kid :P)

I would love to see how this group develops. Also, I'm curious about the t-shirts, lol :D

So you want to join?? International diversity would be appreciated too :)

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Not to be a party-pooper, but isn't this what BP.net is already about? The positive, helpful folks far outweigh the trolls, and we aren't about exclusion, even if we disagree with something that is posted.

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I completely agree... This isn't fauna hahaha

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

I agree with this. I know on occasion threads get out of hand, but it really is very rare. The mods on this site are very good, and most members are just here to help other people.

That of course doesn't mean a group like this should't/can't exist. Just as long as the group doesn't turn into a we're right and everybody else is wrong mentality. (not that I expect that at all)

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I can see this happening already... Give people a little power and boom. And the whole concept is kinda ehhh... Like ok say a new member starts a thread.. You can't rush over there and say oh you cant listen to everybody else who has already replied because they aren't a member of "cobra" or whatever. I'd say this idea is a fail. Sorry

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

I completely agree... This isn't fauna hahaha



I can see this happening already... Give people a little power and boom. And the whole concept is kinda ehhh... Like ok say a new member starts a thread.. You can't rush over there and say oh you cant listen to everybody else who has already replied because they aren't a member of "cobra" or whatever. I'd say this idea is a fail. Sorry

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The fact you can see it happening already shows me that you obviously don't pay attention to a lot of us that are going to be in this group. We don't go rushing saying people are wrong and this and that. The whole thing is that while yes this is an awesome community I myself have seen new members asking questions get bashed, and I mean seriously. When people ask questions that may of been asked before, I've seen people automatically reply: "Go use the search function". To me this is a pet peeve and about the most irritating thing I can read. In that time it took them to type that the question could of been answered, or if they didn't feel like it they didn't even have to respond. The point of the group is to avoid that and to always help, no matter how many times a question has been asked. If a new member everyday joins and asks how often a BP should eat, I'm going to tell them every single time that they should eat once a week, and not once will I say go use the search function. I think it's rude and discouraging to new members and I've even had new members tell me this and thank me for stating it when people say go use the search function.

We're not going to say this person was wrong or that person was wrong, now if that person gives something different then we would do, sure we can say we would do this instead of that. It's not about right and wrong. It's about giving the best possible advice to the people that keep BP's and that don't know any better.

I won't say anything more as I'm being nice, but I think you fail at your post.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

So you want to join?? International diversity would be appreciated too :)

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Sorry, I'm broke lol.

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Originally Posted by Neal

We don't go rushing saying people are wrong and this and that.

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unless the topic is rap music.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

unless the topic is rap music.

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This cracked me up, lol :rofl:

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

unless the topic is rap music.

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That's opinions. Let's not bring up dead horses though here, since clearly you're doing what you do best as of lately.

Oh hey, look what I found, anybody remember these:
http://www.gurl.com/wp-content/uploa...il-toppers.jpg

So, what then, is the end goal? To have someone answer every newb's question with an actual answer? Is that the bottom line? So none of that vaguely alluded to "schooling" when the inevitable disagreement occurs? Suppose someone disagrees with you to the point that they bash one of your members? Then what? War? You guys against all comers?

I don't know. I can see the why in what you're doing, it's great to want to be helpful, but I don't see the necessity of all the work you're doing in order to be more helpful.

Instead of creating a new group doing what's already being done, why not just join in and keep it going? Drop in, drop out, no muss no fuss, no grandstanding, no broken promises, no disappointments.

But hey, you may be on to something. It'll be interesting to see what the state of affairs are in a couple of months.

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So, what then, is the end goal? To have someone answer every newb's question with an actual answer? Is that the bottom line? So none of that vaguely alluded to "schooling" when the inevitable disagreement occurs? Suppose someone disagrees with you to the point that they bash one of your members? Then what? War? You guys against all comers?

I don't know. I can see the why in what you're doing, it's great to want to be helpful, but I don't see the necessity of all the work you're doing in order to be more helpful.

Instead of creating a new group doing what's already being done, why not just join in and keep it going? Drop in, drop out, no muss no fuss, no grandstanding, no broken promises, no disappointments.

But hey, you may be on to something. It'll be interesting to see what the state of affairs are in a couple of months.

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My friend, we are joining in and doing what's already being done. Just we're going to commit to it and as well as try to keep the chat active when we're on. We're not going to rage war because somebody disagrees with members in the group. I'm sure some of us in the group will have different opinions at times. It's just we're going to be a dedicated group to helping and focus on that. We're going to help each other to help the other newbies that have questions. We'll communicate each other to say what has been covered and what the person asking questions needs assistance with and then go from there.

We're going to have strict rules within our group to avoid things getting out of hand and what not.

Oh well, if you've got strict rules that's ok then.

I wonder though, how and who will enforce these rules. Oh, and who gets to make them? That might be important too. Unless this is a dictatorship, then it matters not at all. I'm sure though, that you guys will get it all sorted out.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Oh well, if you've got strict rules that's ok then.

I wonder though, how and who will enforce these rules. Oh, and who gets to make them? That might be important too. Unless this is a dictatorship, then it matters not at all. I'm sure though, that you guys will get it all sorted out.

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We have a board. They will enforce the rules. That way no one person dictates. Have some faith in us my friend. Everybody agrees to the rules prior and members can be removed if they break the rules.

Say Anya breaks the rules. I bring it up to the board and then everything gets put out. Since I'm the one that brought it up, I'll remove myself from the situation as I'm no longer neutral in the matter.

Just a bunch of wanna be mods and admin. The people on this site are more than helpful already.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Just a bunch of wanna be mods and admin. The people on this site are more than helpful already.

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Buzz. Wrong again Scotty. Fail #2, would you like to go for fail #3.

Look at how you basically bashed the group you know nothing about. Wilomn voiced his concerns without having to act like you.

If you don't have anything positive to say here Scotty, then please feel free to post on a different thread. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Neal

We have a board. They will enforce the rules. That way no one person dictates. Have some faith in us my friend. Everybody agrees to the rules prior and members can be removed if they break the rules.

Say Anya breaks the rules. I bring it up to the board and then everything gets put out. Since I'm the one that brought it up, I'll remove myself from the situation as I'm no longer neutral in the matter.

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People are making this wayyyy too complicated lol a board? Holy crap just chill out the site works great the way it is. What's next a judge and jury cause Joe Schmoe gave little Susie the wrong advice? Lol

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Originally Posted by Neal

Buzz. Wrong again Scotty. Fail #2, would you like to go for fail #3.

Look at how you basically bashed the group you know nothing about. Wilomn voiced his concerns without having to act like you.

If you don't have anything positive to say here Scotty, then please feel free to post on a different thread. Thanks.

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I didn't act like anything? I was voicing my opinion. Just like everyone else. So no I will not "take it somewhere else" but go ahead talk down to me some more.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

People are making this wayyyy too complicated lol a board? Holy crap just chill out the site works great the way it is. What's next a judge and jury cause Joe Schmoe gave little Susie the wrong advice? Lol

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I think it's not so much as making things complicated, but to have more than one person make group decisions. This makes it more fair when decisions have to be made.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

I didn't act like anything? I was voicing my opinion. Just like everyone else. So no I will not "take it somewhere else" but go ahead talk down to me some more.

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On the contrary, you just called us "wannabe mods/admins". Would you like me to quote your post?

LWEW, yes. Exactly.

I guess the only concerns I've got about this whole thing is that there's often more than one right way to do something. Most of us across the board agree on the broad basics of husbandry, the differences start coming in with more advanced husbandry technique, and those are things beginners shouldn't necessarily be exposed to yet, until they get the hang of basic information and technique. So having a group that says "my way or the highway" seems a little superfluous to a lot of us more seasoned keepers (whether you've been a keeper for a year or for 30).

I'd like to see the group put a more social spin on things, certainly-- having the chatbox more widely utilized is a wonderful idea, for example. But having a group of individuals slam newbies with one answer to multifaceted questions just seems to be a predictable outcome with this sort of thing.

Best of luck, whatever comes out of it.

(I just scanned this thread, so if my concerns have already been addressed, let me know.)

Honestly neal I wasn't being rude or anything like that.. So my opinion isn't all butterflies and flowers.. You going against what you just said to not talk down and rude to people.. Great example

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Originally Posted by Neal

On the contrary, you just called us "wannabe mods/admins". Would you like me to quote your post?

LWEW, yes. Exactly.

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On the contrary nothing. If i wanted to act like a donkey I would and you would know it.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Honestly neal I wasn't being rude or anything like that.. So my opinion isn't all butterflies and flowers.. You going against what you just said to not talk down and rude to people.. Great example

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I wasn't talking rude to you. I was saying what was my opinion on your opinion. Trust me, if I was being rude you'd know it. I've actually been toning down what I say. It's the way you said what you said.

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Originally Posted by Neal

I wasn't talking rude to you. I was saying what was my opinion on your opinion. Trust me, if I was being rude you'd know it. I've actually been toning down what I say. It's the way you said what you said.

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Your right... Just repeat everything I said.

Remember, we aren't mods here; If Zac wants to speak his mind let him!! We don't want to get things in an uproar right now.

As stated in a previous post (look for the Mission Statement) we are not here to say anyone is less than us because "we're part of COBRA". Anyone who begins to do this will probably have their membership questioned.


That being said, I think it would be good to make it a policy I say that "we are members of COBRA" instead of " I'm a COBRA". We don't want to make it soud like a motorcycle gang or anything; just like we would say "Im a member of USARK"

What do you think Neal??

And we won't be making a one stop "Fact Sheet" with scripted answers for the particular question. Variation will be expected. The main thing is that we give sound advice, and that we don't make people feel bad because they are new or that they aren't a member of COBRA

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Remember, we aren't mods here; If Zac wants to speak his mind let him!! We don't want to get things in an uproar right now.

As stated in a previous post (look for the Mission Statement) we are not here to say anyone is less than us because "we're part of COBRA". Anyone who begins to do this will probably have their membership questioned.


That being said, I think it would be good to make it a policy I say that "we are members of COBRA" instead of " I'm a COBRA". We don't want to make it soud like a motorcycle gang or anything; just like we would say "Im a member of USARK"

What do you think Neal??

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Thanks. I agree.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Remember, we aren't mods here; If Zac wants to speak his mind let him!! We don't want to get things in an uproar right now.

As stated in a previous post (look for the Mission Statement) we are not here to say anyone is less than us because "we're part of COBRA". Anyone who begins to do this will probably have their membership questioned.


That being said, I think it would be good to make it a policy I say that "we are members of COBRA" instead of " I'm a COBRA". We don't want to make it soud like a motorcycle gang or anything; just like we would say "Im a member of USARK"

What do you think Neal??

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Good point.

I was definitely thinking this will be more of a group that will chime in with their advice and experience to help newbies rather than an 'us against them' type of deal. Obviously there will be differences of opinion, but we will handle them civilly (at least I hope so lol). We'll make other members aware of threads that aren't getting a whole lot of attention, or if there are 'experts' (I use that term loosely!) in one matter or another on a topic, we can direct them to members in need. I know there have been times where I haven't noticed a thread pop up in the 'unread' section, only to have the OP post a discouraging "Really? No one has experience with this??".

Exactly.


Neal, have you been in contact with our other 2 board members about the Mission Statement??


Since you are workin on donations, I can get in touch with y'all about this if you want...

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Sorry, I'm broke lol.

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Thats OK...donations not required (but definitely accepted :p)