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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I can think of one right now that doesnt:rofl::rofl:

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Ha, I said others, probably most, but not all.

I think the better answer is better for business and it would stop threads like this and others in the like.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Ha, I said others, probably most, but not all.

I think the better answer is better for business and it would stop threads like this and others in the like.

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If everyone remembered this is a family forum, that would be best.
I think the worst thing a kid should see/read here would be a feeding post and nothing more. But that's just me.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

No one was speaking to you, learn to read the quotes;)

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Did I say you were? I was speaking to you. You'll notice this is how your conversation with KMG started. I realize it was just a dodge on the IP addressing thing though :gj:

You all really should drop this.
You'll notice I have an infraction myself. And, admittedly I earned that. A case of hitting "submit post" before thinking it thoroughly through. I will say though, the person I had a go at did not receive any infraction/warning despite having on several prior occasions being very hostile and harassing, neither did the person that threatened physical violence and openly admitted doing so in a thread obviously monitored as Mods stated they were monitoring it and later locked and removed. Without excuse I was wrong and deserving of my reprimand. It does seem fishy that identical instances by others do not result in comparable consequences.
Clearly, either rules are not being applied consistently or, certain individuals have some form of diplomatic immunity. Perhaps, you could try buying more shirts.

No amount of discussion is likely to change how things either are or appear to be. It will just become more adversarial as it continues.
What does exist is an opportunity for improvement.
In suggestions of things like a moderator feedback thread that allows user to post but, mods to read. This would allow a user to present why they believe a judgement was in error and then allow the mods to discuss it amongst themselves without adding unpleasant threads and clutter to the site.
And, a link to that thread and the ToS in official mod related mails to users.
It could be used for positive feedback as well. For instance DrDel has given me a warning and was wonderfully professional. There is a prime candidate for mentoring new Mods.

If such a thread is created just a word of advice. Your Mods are just people like yourselves and capable of having an off day just like anyone else. It can be a thankless job and, mixing that with an off day can lead to a heavy-handed call. So, take a day or two giving both yourself and the person in question time to cool jets and then make your case.

This is ridiculous..

There needs to be a rule about being a complete d-bag.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

What does exist is an opportunity for improvement.

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That is all I want.

We do have the Reputation Thread but its not exactly what you suggested but its a start.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ion-Discussion

My only problem is I feel it was a bit of an over reaction to what was said. However, I get that a leadership decision was made and it's poor form to contradict your staff. That's management science 101.

Its five points and I now have a different definition of the QT room. That's what I take from this. Blaming the next one up on the totem pole is only satisfying until the next time you need to blame them.

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Originally Posted by dillan2020

There needs to be a rule about being a complete d-bag.

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Infraction! Infraction over here!

See? No one cares.

I love Jurassic Park.

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Well you all have fun, I'm off to spend time with my wife and kid.
We all need to realize there is a thing you can do before you hit "Submit Reply" and that is to think about what you are posting. I delete and edit a lot before you all get to see it.
Good night everyone.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

I realize it was just a dodge on the IP addressing thing though :gj:

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I didn't dodge, I informed you of the rules. How you choose to handle them and the actions you take are yours and yours alone. You can change your IP and create another account but IF I remember right, its a permanent ban. That is your choice.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Infraction! Infraction over here!

See? No one cares.

I love Jurassic Park.

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Really???
Okay, everyone go to the bathroom and then its off to bed. :slamhead: :slamhead:

SMH............ What the heck is going on these days?!

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Originally Posted by satomi325

SMH............ What the heck is going on these days?!

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Meh...just the full moon. Maybe a "super moon" brings out the twitchy nerves a little more than usual. :P

I'd like to believe I'm consistently a PITA. At least you know to watch me all the time.

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Wow, what a lot of pansies. Staff makes staff decisions. If you don't like them, have complained about them and don't like the answer then do one of two things: suck it up and move on trying not to find yourself in the same set of circumstances in the future or get your pail and shovel and go find a new sandbox to play in.

Mike, I have no clue what you've done now, but I sort of doubt you were really trying to cause trouble. Were you? I know you'll answer me honestly and that is all I need to know.

I am pretty sure that I'm the most infracted active member on this site. I've questioned one or two and gotten answers that were satisfying even if they were not my preference. Staff does a good job here and owe NO ONE ANYTHING other than their, the staff's, personal best. If you don't like it, your two choices are written out above.

Alla y'all are making me laugh. Small potatoes indeed.

wilomn, thanks for the two options. I forgot you were in charge. Next time I will come to you.

You are right that the staff only should do their best, but that is not what I feel it was. You missed the point of the post but I bet you didn't read it all. Its the suck it up and take it attitude that is turning America into a nation of fat opinionless sheep. Blindly following each other around. No thanks. I may bring up a small problem but a pansy I am not.


Mike was being Mike, nothing more.

So you are lurking Deb. Glad to see how you feel the users should act towards the staff. Just shut up and listen. Your all human and make mistakes I guess it would be better for you if nobody had the nerve to call them out. Its a shame you would support a post that tells users to leave instead of speak their mind on an issue with the forum. I Guess in your eyes its prefect.

I'm on my third bag of popcorn right now....

"Will Pit on the Prowl return to have the last word??

Will wilomn respond to KMG's criticism??

And will the supermoon wreck more havoc on our forum??

TUNE IN later for another episode of....SMALL POTATOES!!!!!!"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Wow, what a lot of pansies. Staff makes staff decisions. If you don't like them, have complained about them and don't like the answer then do one of two things: suck it up and move on trying not to find yourself in the same set of circumstances in the future or get your pail and shovel and go find a new sandbox to play in.

Mike, I have no clue what you've done now, but I sort of doubt you were really trying to cause trouble. Were you? I know you'll answer me honestly and that is all I need to know.

I am pretty sure that I'm the most infracted active member on this site. I've questioned one or two and gotten answers that were satisfying even if they were not my preference. Staff does a good job here and owe NO ONE ANYTHING other than their, the staff's, personal best. If you don't like it, your two choices are written out above.

Alla y'all are making me laugh. Small potatoes indeed.

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You always make me giggle, especially in threads like this since I'm pretty sure you have made every one of us infract you at one time or another :P You ruffled my feathers pretty good when I first joined the staff team, but I still like ya ;)



As it was mentioned we are human and we have different opinions as to what is or isn't ok. Sometimes the 'right choice' isn't clear and a judgment call must be made. None of us like handing out infractions, but unfortunately we are conformists and follow the rules, including, but not limited to, enforcing the rules.


I did want to point this out in case anyone needs justification for staff decisions, now or in the future. This is right out of our TOS...

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6. Communications. You agree that your activities on the Site (including without limitation submission of any Threads to Forums) will not:

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Originally Posted by KMG

wilomn, thanks for the two options. I forgot you were in charge. Next time I will come to you.

You are right that the staff only should do their best, but that is not what I feel it was. You missed the point of the post but I bet you didn't read it all. Its the suck it up and take it attitude that is turning America into a nation of fat opinionless sheep. Blindly following each other around. No thanks. I may bring up a small problem but a pansy I am not.


Mike was being Mike, nothing more.

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Your ASSumption is making YOU into something here. I did go read the entire thread. I don't think now, and I didn't before I read it, that Mike deserved it. I think Mark made a mistake, but that is MY opinion, not his and while I do think he was wrong, it's not worth fighting over. You go right ahead and fight every little thing that irritates you. I don't have time for that crap, sometimes I just suck it up and move on. Infractions of this nature are really meaningless in the big picture. They cause no harm, have no ramifications, are not even an embarrassment unless you're really thin skinned in the hiney region, which Mike is most assuredly not.

You feel staff didn't do their best and have registered that opinion. I think Mark did his best and I disagree with his decision. I have stated that and that's good enough for me. Why you need to make some massive change to be happy is beyond my ken, but I am ok with that too; I don't care, nothing personal, what you think, but I do think you should be able to state your opinion without negating mine simply because it does not dovetail with yours. I think you're wrong, but that doesn't matter because neither of US are staff.

We've made our opinions known, staff will or will not take them into consideration in the future and the worlds spins on neither knowing nor caring what either of us think.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Mike was being Mike, nothing more.

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This much is true. ^ Now that I'm caught up... I dont think Mike had any ill intent.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Its a shame you would support a post that tells users to leave instead of speak their mind on an issue with the forum. I Guess in your eyes its prefect.

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My my my, your ASSumption quota must have been exceeded by now, neh?

Why does it have to be YOUR way? You've stated your opinion, staff has stated theirs, Staff wins everytime in this game and YOU, me, Mike, everyone knows that IF they've read the TOS.

So, what's your real beef? That it's not your way? That's rather narcissistic of you isn't it? I mean, there are thousands of members here who probably wish it was their way when they disagree with staff, yet you seem to be the only one who can't seem to understand that it just ain't gonna happen. What's up with that? I always thought you were pretty smart.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Your ASSumption is making YOU into something here. I did go read the entire thread. I don't think now, and I didn't before I read it, that Mike deserved it. I think Mark made a mistake, but that is MY opinion, not his and while I do think he was wrong, it's not worth fighting over. You go right ahead and fight every little thing that irritates you. I don't have time for that crap, sometimes I just suck it up and move on. Infractions of this nature are really meaningless in the big picture. They cause no harm, have no ramifications, are not even an embarrassment unless you're really thin skinned in the hiney region, which Mike is most assuredly not.

You feel staff didn't do their best and have registered that opinion. I think Mark did his best and I disagree with his decision. I have stated that and that's good enough for me. Why you need to make some massive change to be happy is beyond my ken, but I am ok with that too; I don't care, nothing personal, what you think, but I do think you should be able to state your opinion without negating mine simply because it does not dovetail with yours. I think you're wrong, but that doesn't matter because neither of US are staff.

We've made our opinions known, staff will or will not take them into consideration in the future and the worlds spins on neither knowing nor caring what either of us think.

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So now I'm a pansy and an ass because I spoke my mind. Are you challenging the staff to see if they pick up your not so clever attempt at calling me names directly after Slitherinsisters quoted that rule? You say its not personal but you make comments like that. Its no wonder why you are the most infracted user.

It matters none to me if you agree with me or what I say but I think you could keep some of
your opinion to yourself. I glad your ok with the staff making a mistake but not needing to own up to it. You basically just said Mark messed up but that was the best he could do.

I don't think it should be my way. I was hoping we could find a better way. I'm open to suggestions on what that may be. Just because the staff always wins does not make it right. And only a small number of staff has said anything here.

This is really not how I saw this thread going and was far less positive then I hoped.

Personal opinion, Mark felt it went to far when in our opinion it could go further than it was allowed to.

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Originally Posted by KMG

So you are lurking Deb. Glad to see how you feel the users should act towards the staff. Just shut up and listen. Your all human and make mistakes I guess it would be better for you if nobody had the nerve to call them out. Its a shame you would support a post that tells users to leave instead of speak their mind on an issue with the forum. I Guess in your eyes its prefect.

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It's Deborah not Deb

I will say it again you could have handle that matter privately raising your concerns to the admins, instead YOU chose to handle it very differently and for no other reason than create drama.

Now regardless of the points that were or will be made you will keep complaining and I am not sure what you want to be done here, which leaves us with 3 options and not 2 like Wes suggested

1/ Get over it and move on there are more important things in life (well at least to some of us)

2/ Keep on complaining (just because the internet is serious business)

3/ Find a place better suited for your needs (not the first time I am making this recommendation to a member)

Now the choice is yours to make not mine I am fine with either one.

Again being a member here is a priviledge not a right.

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Originally Posted by KMG

So now I'm a pansy and an ass because I spoke my mind. Are you challenging the staff to see if they pick up your not so clever attempt at calling me names directly after Slitherinsisters quoted that rule? You say its not personal but you make comments like that. Its no wonder why you are the most infracted user.

It matters none to me if you agree with me or what I say but I think you could keep some of your opinion to yourself. I glad your ok with the staff making a mistake but not needing to own up to it. You basically just said Mark messed up but that was the best he could do.

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You are if that's what you take from it, I merely expressed my opinion. I challenge no one here. Were I to call you a name, you would not ask if I had called you a name unless you were really really stupid. As I expressed, your opinion means zip to me, so continuing to express it to me is a waste of your time, unless you aim to make me giggle. In that you succeed admirably. Butthurt is often humourous to those of us not feeling the pain. No one, other than you, in this post or any of my posts has said they shouldn't own up to a mistake. I, personally, think Mark made a mistake. That's my opinion, but means nothing in the big picture. Same for you. Get over it, we don't count in this.

I was PMing Mike earlier and he said he had only meant it as a joke, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I think most of us who read his posts know that. He also said he was taking a break for awhile, I don't know if he will/how long or if he already started. As I've said, I disagree with the choice Mark made there.

I may be inclined to join him. Yeah the back and forth between Pitt and I was out of hand. When I'm being accused of something I flat out didn't say by a mod I'm not just going to lay down and take it. They shouldn't be able to make threats based on things the made up (In this case saying I claimed I would make another account). That's ridiculous and to me shouldn't be acceptable behavior for a mod. Even after I referred them back to my post all I got was a changed subject.

To me mods shouldn't be able to just make things up, to say they are targeting people that's just poor management. But it's their jungle and if that's how they want to run it we always have the option to leave.

I know that I can be abrasive, I have no problem admitting it. I also don't have a problem with any member on here. At the end of the day, this is the internet and I see no point in harboring ill will based the back and forth of us all pretending to be keyboard warriors.

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I was PMing Mike earlier and he said he had only meant it as a joke, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I think most of us who read his posts know that. He also said he was taking a break for awhile, I don't know if he will/how long or if he already started. As I've said, I disagree with the choice Mark made there.

I may be inclined to join him. Yeah the back and forth between Pitt and I was out of hand. When I'm being accused of something I flat out didn't say by a mod I'm not just going to lay down and take it. They shouldn't be able to make threats based on things the made up (In this case saying I claimed I would make another account). That's ridiculous and to me shouldn't be acceptable behavior for a mod. Even after I referred them back to my post all I got was a changed subject.

To me mods shouldn't be able to just make things up, to say they are targeting people that's just poor management. But it's their jungle and if that's how they want to run it we always have the option to leave.

I know that I can be abrasive, I have no problem admitting it. I also don't have a problem with any member on here. At the end of the day, this is the internet and I see no point in harboring ill will based the back and forth of us all pretending to be keyboard warriors.

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Were I staff, I would have said the same thing Pit did. Your inferences were impossible to miss. You know that too.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Were I staff, I would have said the same thing Pit did. Your inferences were impossible to miss. You know that too.

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I won't deny I was talking about circumventing a ban in response to his threatening it. But not in the manner he repeatedly tried to tell me I did. No new account making would have taken place. But Pitt went even so far as to tell me to re-read my own post after accusing me of the wrong thing. I'm just saying if you're going to accuse me of something and claim I said something is it too much to ask that it's the right thing?

This all started out because I felt that both Mike41793 and Kodieh stepped over the line by repeatedly posting something that I and others felt was offensive. I gave them both infractions, they disagreed, PM's were sent, discussions had. That really should have been the end of it.

I still think that Mike41793 and Kodieh are fine and valued members of our forum, I just wish they'd spent a little more time thinking about how what they'd written would be interpreted by others before hitting the 'send reply' button. Can we please all get back to talking about snakes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7db-Z98vvc

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This all started out because I felt that both Mike41793 and Kodieh stepped over the line by repeatedly posting something that I and others felt was offensive. I gave them both infractions, they disagreed, PM's were sent, discussions had. That really should have been the end of it.

I still think that Mike41793 and Kodieh are fine and valued members of our forum, I just wish they'd spent a little more time thinking about how what they'd written would be interpreted by others before hitting the 'send reply' button. Can we please all get back to talking about snakes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7db-Z98vvc

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Actually Mark, I have to disagree with this. While you and others thought it went over the line, I and others did not. We were not asked for our opinions, so unless those others were mods who stated their opinions to you prior to your dinging Mike, I think that argument is weak to the point of being worthless.

Also, was Mike warned prior to his ding? Does it not say that he should have been? If he wasn't, shouldn't you rescind it since the sites rules were, accidentally, not followed?

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I won't deny I was talking about circumventing a ban in response to his threatening it. But not in the manner he repeatedly tried to tell me I did. No new account making would have taken place. But Pitt went even so far as to tell me to re-read my own post after accusing me of the wrong thing. I'm just saying if you're going to accuse me of something and claim I said something is it too much to ask that it's the right thing?

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Six of one, half a dozen of the other. You wanted him to think you would, he did, you succeeded, so did he.

Perhaps letting it go would be appropriate here and further allusions to violations of rules should be avoided unless one's exit from the site is immanent.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I still think that Mike41793 and Kodieh are fine and valued members of our forum, I just wish they'd spent a little more time thinking about how what they'd written would be interpreted by others before hitting the 'send reply' button.

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I'm not saying we should blindly post without thinking. But how on Earth are we supposed to know how others are going to interpret something? It's entirely up to the person and will change from person to person. I mean look at this thread, a number have people have come out on both sides. How are we supposed to be in people's heads?

Even then it changes on whether or not you know the person posting. From seeing other posts Mike has made I felt fairly confident he did not desire to consume or punt any imaginary small dogs.

I mean we have to use our best judgement, and it's skewed because it's our best judgement. If we think it's funny, we are biased. I can't know what random thing may offend a random member. I don't mean this post as the start of an argument, and will refuse to take it in that direction if any replies go there. I have no interest in starting anything with you Mark, I just think that the above might be kind of what happened here.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. You wanted him to think you would, he did, you succeeded, so did he.

Perhaps letting it go would be appropriate here and further allusions to violations of rules should be avoided unless one's exit from the site is immanent.

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Confound it man, why are you always right?

Wow Super Moderator Deborah. I guess I really hit a nerve. Sorry for insulting you by making this thread. I did not make this thread to start drama and honesty can not believe the kind of negative response it has gotten.

I still don't see why its such a big deal if we discuss something like this in public. I know better now and will not try to change the way things are done here.

Y'all have made it very clear that the forum does not need me and I think its ridiculous that we have mods that can have such a poor attitude toward members.

Being a member is a privilege. I get that. Is being a super moderator your right? That's how you are acting. Your a grown woman that can not discuss such a simple thing without becoming defensive when it wasn't directed toward you and other than you being a mod had nothing to do with you.

I know the forum will be just fine without Mike and I but I hope you never leave for it would surely crumble.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rY0Wx...%3DrY0WxgSXdEE

Stick a fork in him! But, seriously, someone is WRONG on the internet!

Any way, I do disagree but I do also understand. And that's a maturity thing, something I'm sure Mike will come to...never. But, hey, we're down one and up a party. Where's the champagne? Although, I started drinking at lunch. So, I got a head start.

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I think the mods would welcome a nice discussion about how things work and how to improve things. but this whole thread seemed more like a slap in the face then it did any discussion.

"I've got a bad feeling about this." - Various

I'm glad that thread got locked. It made my gut turn.

Didn't Han Solo say that?

Anyway, the mods will be happy to know I've thought twice-- actually three times in the response I wished to give to the posts above.

Moving on.

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Well dillan2020 that was not my intention and thought this was actually going to be productive. I was very wrong.

Arialmt you can't be serious?

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Also, was Mike warned prior to his ding? Does it not say that he should have been? If he wasn't, shouldn't you rescind it since the sites rules were, accidentally, not followed?

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Not sure what the rules say about it, but according to the PM, him he received no warning. Just thought I would throw that out there since he's not here.

I'm just going to say that I don't think mike should have received an infraction.

I hope I don't get one for my opinion but I feel Mark acted impulsively and acted too harsh. He let personal feelings get in the way of moderating IMO.

I think the thing to remember here is that, while the forum is people driven, it is not really a democracy. We agree to be moderated my the mod team, and basically agree to take whatever they give us.

Ive been on other forums where I got my feathers ruffled due to "infractions" that were not warranted, and quickly learned that speaking up about them didn't get me anywhere. But, that's the way things roll on an Internet forum.

(hopefully I won't get my head chewed off now lol)

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Not sure what the rules say about it, but according to the PM, him he received no warning. Just thought I would throw that out there since he's not here.

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I've never got a warning prior to the one infraction(currently expired) I ever got. I said 'shiz(t) just got real'.

So I'm assuming giving warnings aren't the norm?

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While I realize my and other's opinions are of little consequence, you may add me to the list of people who feel Mike shouldn't have received an infraction. It really seemed to me that MarkS' opinion was strongly biased. I saw nothing that sounded like promotion of animal abuse.

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I have read the entire thread before posting so that I wasn't just responding without having done so. This is my opinion and as was already said, the world will keep spinning, even after I announce it.

Some kids have taken the time to set up a great yard to play in. They have invited us over to play and we find many wonderful things to do in their yard. Keep in mind it's their yard. Now the longer we stay and play, the more we notice the stuff in the yard. Perhaps the grass is longer than we like. Perhaps we stepped in some dog poop becuase we didn't see it. If it was our yard we would have picked that up, but it's their yard so it wasn't picked up. We ask the kids if they will cut the grass or pick up the dog poop. It seems like a perfectly reasonable response because we don't like poop on our shoes. We ask, don't tell, because it's their yard. After we ask, they may cut the grass or they may not. They may pick up the poop they may not. Why? Because it's their yard. Are you seeing a theme here?

Some people would like things different, I get it. Some people have expressed that, I heard it. Some people have even said that the punishments are not always equal, I'll ackowledge that. I won't mention names because that would be indiscreet (KMG). Guess what? It's not our yard. If I don't like what's going on in the yard, I can leave. And if I keep making the yard an unpleasant place to play because of my complaining, I may be asked to leave. But regardless, it will still be their yard and after we're gone they will still be playing here.

I for one like playing in this yard. I haven't found a better yard yet to play in that gives me what this yard has. And yes, I have stepped in dog poop myself once or twice. Then I mutter about the people that should have picked it up, but mostly under my breath. So come on in, jump and run, frolick and play, or don't. But you might want to keep your eyes open for dog poop. And do you know why..........?

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Because poop happens!! :D

Seriously folks, this has been blown way out of proportion. Mike was the one with a concern, and he tried his best to address it privately. Announcing to the forum that you think the mods are biased will in no way encourage them to be open-minded or give a moment's thought to what you say. Ok, so 5% of the decisions made are in a grey area that some support and some never will. Address things privately and nonconfrontationally, and you might just change ways of thinking. Or, poke a stick at a sleeping hornet nest, and see what happens.

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I have read the entire thread before posting so that I wasn't just responding without having done so. This is my opinion and as was already said, the world will keep spinning, even after I announce it.

Some kids have taken the time to set up a great yard to play in. They have invited us over to play and we find many wonderful things to do in their yard. Keep in mind it's their yard. Now the longer we stay and play, the more we notice the stuff in the yard. Perhaps the grass is longer than we like. Perhaps we stepped in some dog poop becuase we didn't see it. If it was our yard we would have picked that up, but it's their yard so it wasn't picked up. We ask the kids if they will cut the grass or pick up the dog poop. It seems like a perfectly reasonable response because we don't like poop on our shoes. We ask, don't tell, because it's their yard. After we ask, they may cut the grass or they may not. They may pick up the poop they may not. Why? Because it's their yard. Are you seeing a theme here?

Some people would like things different, I get it. Some people have expressed that, I heard it. Some people have even said that the punishments are not always equal, I'll ackowledge that. I won't mention names because that would be indiscreet (KMG). Guess what? It's not our yard. If I don't like what's going on in the yard, I can leave. And if I keep making the yard an unpleasant place to play because of my complaining, I may be asked to leave. But regardless, it will still be their yard and after we're gone they will still be playing here.

I for one like playing in this yard. I haven't found a better yard yet to play in that gives me what this yard has. And yes, I have stepped in dog poop myself once or twice. Then I mutter about the people that should have picked it up, but mostly under my breath. So come on in, jump and run, frolick and play, or don't. But you might want to keep your eyes open for dog poop. And do you know why..........?

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The most eloquent and accurate post in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

"Will Pit on the Prowl return to have the last word??

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Okay, everyone seems to be stuck on the "no warning" BUT no one wants to open their eyes and see the whole picture. The questioned remarks were made 4 times that I remember in that post before the decision was made.
So everyone thinks that they would deserve a warning IF they had multiple posts before it was found? I am not taking any ones side this morning as of yet but think about it.

Also, everyone thinks it just the mods and forgets or doesn't read the entire screen, the is a "report post" link that is confidential if your peers want to report something you posted that they are uncomfortable with.;)

Off to work I go:mad:

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Originally Posted by KMG

How is a user to feel when a issue they bring to a mod is refereed to as small potatoes? Important, I think not.

No matter how small you think a issue is as a mod I think it should be respected and given consideration. The user obliviously thought it was worth something, so should you.

I was told a similar thing once and it really annoyed me. It made me think the mods do not have the back bone to correct a users mistake or their own and that the entire points system is useless. I felt completely blown off.

I do agree that in the big picture anything on this forum is small scale. But within this forum even the smallest issue should be handled with care when brought to a mod, not shrugged off. The mods job is to only deal with this forum not comparing it to what issues may await us in our life off line.

After all in the big picture this whole forum is small potatoes.


I think the mods do a great job with most things but these small issues and how they are handled I believe could use some work.

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I'm not going to even begin to read all the pages in this thread, I was just told of the thread by a friend of mine so I will comment and say what the mods cannot.

First off, why are you even getting involved in something that doesn't concern you? This is an issue between Mike and the site staff, you weren't even given the infraction or the warning, so again I ask. Why did you even post this pointless thread? Mike, I have nothing against you, and nor you KMG but one thing that I can't stand and that I'm sure most people agree with me is when people get involved in something that they have no business being in. While you may say that I'm doing that very thing, please keep in mind that you've made a public thread about it. Mike was infracted because he made a comment about kicking a dog, while sure many people may do the same thing in self defense, some stuff you just don't say out loud. Say I wanted to sleep with this girl and everybody knows it because I'm always flirting with her or hitting on her, would you really go up to her and say: "I want to sleep with you." No you wouldn't, because as I've stated previously it's something you don't say because some things are best left not being stated. Would anybody really let a dog sit there and bite or tear them open? NO. That doesn't mean you have to say what you would do, because some people take offense to this and it can still be considered animal cruelty to some. For instance, I can't stand Obama and I won't say what I would like to happen and while I'm sure 99% of you agree with something in the general way that I do it doesn't make it right for me to say it, not to mention some things you say you can get in trouble for even if you didn't mean it.

If you would like to take things up with a mod about his call then by all means do it, but it doesn't need to become some reality show. If you can't settle with the mod that issued the infraction then you take it up with an administrator. This is called the chain of command not to mention the respect of going to the person that you have a disagreement or problem with before you step over their head. JLC already stated while she may of handled things differently she still supports that persons decision because he was given the power that he has because they trust that persons decision. Obviously that person felt that things had gone far enough, so they did what they thought was right for the situation at hand, and if JLC went and revoked his decision that would not only undermine his authority but I'm pretty damn sure it would bother him. That means she will not interfere because she's already aware of what has happened and taken place. The glory of it all is that they pay for this site, so they don't have to explain anything to anybody. There is no jury on this because JLC, dr del and the other admins are the Judge, The Jury & The Executioner.

Now to top it off, it's a freaking infraction, stop making such a big deal over it. It's not like he's banned from the site and can't post for so many days. It is what it is, take it and move on or find another forum. But FFS, stop crying over things which you have no control over because in the end, at the end of crying it doesn't change a damn thing. You know what makes the human race so superior? We live and learn, trial and error. Now...

*HAMMER FIST DOWN*

Case closed, thread closed(when they want to). :P

It's not about the infraction. It's the principle of the thing. There are protocols, rules in place. Mark may not have known that a warning shot across the bow was the protocol, he's new to the job and that's understandable. However, that doesn't make it right.

Mike was not flaunting his ability to tweak noses, he wasn't adding to the poop in the yard. Yet he got dinged when he should have been warned, to my understanding. He's not complaining about the infraction, I am pretty sure he understands exactly what it means and its worth, he, and I, question the principle that is set in stone that was not adhered to. No fault nor anger was addressed to any staff by him, certainly not by me, but guys like us wonder why the breakdown over something so simple.

IF Mark should have warned him, then a simple, "oops, I goofed let me rescind that ding" would have solved the problem after the first go round with staff. Instead, insofar as I am able to discern, the decision to stand behind what seems to be the accidental flub af a new Mod was made. That doesn't seem consistent with the way this site is ordinarily run.

Mike, if I'm off the mark here, sorry, but that's what I've come away with from this mess. And Neal you're right too. kmg should have never started this to begin with, Mike was handling it properly all by his lonesome.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

It's not about the infraction. It's the principle of the thing. There are protocols, rules in place. Mark may not have known that a warning shot across the bow was the protocol, he's new to the job and that's understandable. However, that doesn't make it right.

Mike was not flaunting his ability to tweak noses, he wasn't adding to the poop in the yard. Yet he got dinged when he should have been warned, to my understanding. He's not complaining about the infraction, I am pretty sure he understands exactly what it means and its worth, he, and I, question the principle that is set in stone that was not adhered to. No fault nor anger was addressed to any staff by him, certainly not by me, but guys like us wonder why the breakdown over something so simple.

IF Mark should have warned him, then a simple, "oops, I goofed let me rescind that ding" would have solved the problem after the first go round with staff. Instead, insofar as I am able to discern, the decision to stand behind what seems to be the accidental flub af a new Mod was made. That doesn't seem consistent with the way this site is ordinarily run.

Mike, if I'm off the mark here, sorry, but that's what I've come away with from this mess. And Neal you're right too. kmg should have never started this to begin with, Mike was handling it properly all by his lonesome.

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Yea, I wasn't really knocking Mike, well maybe a bit because he did make a fuss about the infraction. More so I trying to get at the point that all of this mess should of never been a public broadcast, and it had nothing to do with KMG. Mike seemed to be dealing with it between the forum staff and it should of been left up there. I don't fault Mark in issuing the infraction because everybody has different opinions on what they consider different things and he was only doing what he thought was right.