Here's a head scratcher!

What a cool look! Can't wait for some out of the egg pictures

Lets see a pick of his mom

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subscribed!!! love the suprise stuff! Honestly, put me on record for saying clown.... The tear drops on the side and colors and what not, I really think you might have some het clowns, and which would mean the male albino is het clown. I'm just guessing, but I would probably put down $10 on it ;) how much longer do you think until he/she comes out? GOOD LUCK!!!

Calder

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I'm wondering if you wikied your entire post. It certainly looks like it.
While, you're not totally incorrect, you're not completely right either.

Bp morphs to Purebred dogs is apples to oranges. People are purposely selecting FOR those bad deleterious traits in dogs. It's not occurring randomly. (And for your information, you cannot breed son to mother in dog breeding. It is father to daughter. My boyfriend's mother breeds AKC champs. This is apparently part of "dog breeding ethics" because in the wild, many daughters would not leave the parent group or territory and breed with a father, compared to the son who does leave the group. )

But anyway.
Some morphs that have heritable issues, such as the spider wobble, don't get selected against and the reason why they're still here. (Same as those disastrous dog breeds)
However, breeders will always cull a deformed/kinked/fail to thrive snake. Many dog breeders do not cull their bad stock, which is why there are so many trainwreck dogs out there (ghetto backyard bred American bullys anyone?).

And BP inbreeding occurs often in the wild. Do you think snakes migrate to other locations to breed? No. They are a non-migratory species. Most reptiles are, which is why they are "so resilient to inbreeding". They're in the same general territory their entire lives and breeding with whatever snake around, aka most likely a close relative. The only differences is that the unfit are selected and taken out of the population. I'm not saying inbreeding is good or bad, it just makes the population have a higher homozygosity. Also why there are locale specific phenotypes. Sure, it can increase negative recessive genes. But it can also increase the positive. It just depends on the individual.
Think geographically and reproductively isolated species or island population dynamics.
Sometimes it negatively impacts populations (cheetahs), while sometimes it has no effect and even sometimes is positive (elephant seals or Humans in Iceland).
By being more homozygous, you are enhancing a population to be more fixated and having the same alleles. Bad or good.

I'm all in favor for outbreeding, don't get me wrong.
But to just say 'inbreeding *is* bad and health and wellness *always* go down' bla bla bla is a poor statement... There can be positive homozygousity in a species.

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Inbreeding in any animal species is NOT good. Reptiles are just as prone to the issues as are everything else. Nature does have ways to help curb inbreeding. Ball Pythons do move, they are not isolated to small local areas. Most hatchlings do not survive from any one clutch. They are caught for sale, die from starvation, die from defects or are eaten by other predators.
A pretty decent read on the issue is:
Introduction to conservation genetics By Richard Frankham, J. Jonathan D. Ballou, David David Anthony Briscoe
Genetic diversity is very important in all life forms, even plant life.

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Andy-:snake:

Whoa... that's neat! Go yell at it to hurry up outta that egg!

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that is crazy, subscribed to see them out of the egg.

Well what's the latest?

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If I saw the baby without knowing anything about the parents I'd say super enchi desert. But knowing the story.....what.....

Again. Posting to know what's up in the future.

nice looking wonder what it is

Top shelf is reading 85f. Mum is in blue and looking miserable at the moment, so no point trying to photograph her. Have looked at all the babies again this morning, they are still in bed, but from the look of them they should be out sometime this week. :D

Sometime this week? :S how early did you cut? I let mine pip on their own and they're usually out within 24-48 hrs

Sorry, just got back on the comp and te-read. Day 76 but maybe being incubated at around 85 could definitely cause the weird coloration! Come on baby!!

We're they incubated on the top shelf at 85?

Yes top shelf at 85f, I don't think it's incubation temperature with this one, but time will tell what happens, it's going to be fun finding out :)

Subscribed to see what comes of this little one!

As soon as they are out I will get photographs, and then update after their first shed, and then as they grow, assuming they all do well and everything goes well with them. :D

Whatever is inside looks outstanding! But dang, you hacked those eggs a little early?? Hope everything goes ok, can't wait to see it out.

Not exactly the birthday present I was hoping for, poor little Tony the Tiger didn't make it. As you can see from the photos the whole bottom half of the egg is a semi solid lump with veins. It wasn't attached to him in any way, but he is TINY, and even if he had made it out I don't think he would have survived.

On the bright side, mum and dad are both healthy and two of the other 4 babies have their heads out now and have been mooching as there is vermiculite in their eggs, the other two should have heads out by tomorrow I think.

I will probably try the same pairing next year, and I am holding the other 4 babies back.

http://www.royaldraco.co.uk/FunkyBaby/egg.jpg

http://www.royaldraco.co.uk/FunkyBaby/baby.jpg

Ohhh,.,., I' so sorry to hear this. It's always a terriable thing to loose a snake. Regardless of the situation.

Keep those holdbacks and hopefully you'll figure out what's going on here.

Andy-:snake:

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Ohhh,.,., I' so sorry to hear this. It's always a terriable thing to loose a snake. Regardless of the situation.

Keep those holdbacks and hopefully you'll figure out what's going on here.

Andy-:snake:

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There was nothing going on. The animal looked the way it did due to deformity. It seems that most of the "Holy cow" animals that we see in the egg and can't be explained are tweaked.

Aw, that's too bad. :( He was a cool looking little dude.

Thanks Andy, the other 4 babies are big bruisers, and look like they are going to hatch looking for food, and I can always pair the same parents next year and see what happens. Maybe that will tell me a bit more.

Sorry to hear :(

Kind of looks like an underdeveloped normal to me.

I just wonder why the eggs were cut so early when they were being incubated at such a low temperature, was the baby attached to its yolk sac when you pulled it out?

Sorry you lost that little one. Hope you get something interesting when you repeat the pairing next year, although FreakieFrog is right... an awful lot of the interesting looking but unexplainable babies we see pics of while still in egg end up being tweaked.

Condolences. We just lost one out of our clutch too, so it happens. I guess that's what we sign up for!

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There was nothing going on. The animal looked the way it did due to deformity. It seems that most of the "Holy cow" animals that we see in the egg and can't be explained are tweaked.

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I am just seeing this thread for the first time. My very first reaction when I saw the pic was "incubation issue" as there was a post on here a year or 2 ago with someone whose pastel clutch came out looking crazy leopard clown and it was just from an incubation temp problem...not genetic. My clutch last year pipped on day 54 and was out in 24 hours. I incubate at 87*. Day 76 is way over due.....sounds like there were incubation issues that causes that color/pattern weirdness and deformity. Sorry the little guy didn't make it. Keep us posted on the others. Like stated above, usually the "holy cow" with no explanation animals can be explained with temps.