A member is on TV! (Intervention)

Danny and his entire family are unwise for putting his children in harms way.
Where is the Children's Protection Agency when you need them?

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Danny and his entire family are unwise for putting his children in harms way.
Where is the Children's Protection Agency when you need them?

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What on earth are you talking about?

Google "family lives with snakes" and you will find plenty of videos of family's and their snakes. One is a 12ish year old boy who takes rides on his 20+ foot retic or Burmese I forget which.

I was trying to find any info on this family in India or somewhere I saw on an extreme animals show. They are a big family who lives with thousands of wild snakes in their house. Like 2 feet deep EVERYWHERE including venomous snakes. They even use like 20 snakes as a blanket for their infant in his crib. He cuddles them.... None of them get bit.

Anyone else see this? Like 2 years ago on animal planet I think. Any links?

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I have read all the comments and I also watched the program with Winston Card as the host, and it's really difficult for me to
believe that Danny had the best interest of his children's safety in mind. I wrote a message earlier but used a word that the
editor chose to change. I thank him for that so I'll try and stay on point with future messages. What I don't think is, that
Mrs. Danny Steele (wife), Ms. Carolyn Steele (Mom), and brother Tyler Steele, comprehend the mortal danger that her
children, her grandchildren, and his nephews, are exposed to. Try and take your emotions out of this and look at it totally
pragmatically. Danny has a lot of snakes both venomous and constrictors. They can kill with both their venom and their
constriction. One memory lapse, one time forgetting to lock one of the cages, one moment of distraction, is all that it will
take for this to become a tragedy. I know Danny thinks he was ganged up on, but, his family circled the wagons and stuck by
him with through all these condemnations. I don't think Mr. Card is a bad guy, he was just trying to show that he had ton's of
experience and that someone has to be accountable for the children's safety. The family seemed more concerned about how
horrible it was that Danny was being attacked and not about the unsafe environment that the children are growing up in.
Shame on you!

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Originally Posted by rick*star

I have read all the comments and I also watched the program with Winston Card as the host, and it's really difficult for me to
believe that Danny had the best interest of his children's safety in mind. I wrote a message earlier but used a word that the
editor chose to change. I thank him for that so I'll try and stay on point with future messages. What I don't think is, that
Mrs. Danny Steele (wife), Ms. Carolyn Steele (Mom), and brother Tyler Steele, comprehend the mortal danger that her
children, her grandchildren, and his nephews, are exposed to. Try and take your emotions out of this and look at it totally
pragmatically. Danny has a lot of snakes both venomous and constrictors. They can kill with both their venom and their
constriction. One memory lapse, one time forgetting to lock one of the cages, one moment of distraction, is all that it will
take for this to become a tragedy. I know Danny thinks he was ganged up on, but, his family circled the wagons and stuck by
him with through all these condemnations. I don't think Mr. Card is a bad guy, he was just trying to show that he had ton's of
experience and that someone has to be accountable for the children's safety. The family seemed more concerned about how
horrible it was that Danny was being attacked and not about the unsafe environment that the children are growing up in.
Shame on you!

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You know, Tyler posted in this very thread and didn't seem to think his family members were in any sort of danger.

Watching the TV program does not give you a clear view of what is going on in that house.

These "dangerous animals" are only dangerous if you are careless and irresponsible. Danny is none of these things. He ensures his animals are in locked enclosures, behind two locked doors away from his children. He is even looking into a new facility for his animals that would take them off his property entirely.

To say that he is putting his children at risk is absurd. He has taken every precautionary measure to ensure the safety of himself and his family.

Sure there is a risk when keeping these animals, but lethal accidents are few and far between. These animals only kill maybe 1-2 people per year where as cars kill approximately 30,000 people a year. Go find someone else to pick on rather than this man who keeps his animals the same way professionals at zoos keep them.



Also, Mr. Card is a joke and a lunatic.

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Originally Posted by rick*star

I have read all the comments and I also watched the program with Winston Card as the host, and it's really difficult for me to
believe that Danny had the best interest of his children's safety in mind. I wrote a message earlier but used a word that the
editor chose to change. I thank him for that so I'll try and stay on point with future messages. What I don't think is, that
Mrs. Danny Steele (wife), Ms. Carolyn Steele (Mom), and brother Tyler Steele, comprehend the mortal danger that her
children, her grandchildren, and his nephews, are exposed to. Try and take your emotions out of this and look at it totally
pragmatically. Danny has a lot of snakes both venomous and constrictors. They can kill with both their venom and their
constriction. One memory lapse, one time forgetting to lock one of the cages, one moment of distraction, is all that it will
take for this to become a tragedy. I know Danny thinks he was ganged up on, but, his family circled the wagons and stuck by
him with through all these condemnations. I don't think Mr. Card is a bad guy, he was just trying to show that he had ton's of
experience and that someone has to be accountable for the children's safety. The family seemed more concerned about how
horrible it was that Danny was being attacked and not about the unsafe environment that the children are growing up in.
Shame on you!

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I'll give you credit for being the wordiest troll to ever grace this site. Unfortunately your comparative eloquence and your thin veneer of pretending to give a crap about Danny and his family are just that - thin and superficial. You are not fooling anyone as to why you are here and what your motive is.

Unfortunately, like most people who are trollish, vapid and self-delusional, your reasoning is also slow, lumbering and stupid. You came into a saloon full of gunfighters brandishing a spork. If you had two working brain cells to rub together, you would have done some research before you opened your mouth and smeared your verbal spoor all over this thread.

Let me educate you shrek*star, since 1990, there have been 16 fatalities attributed to captive, venomous snakes in the United States.

In that same time period, there have been 10 fatalities attributed to captive, constricting snakes in the United States. Since you probably have at most, 10 fingers, let me do the math for you before you bend over to take off your shoes and socks.

That's a combined 26 fatalities in 23 years.

Now let's do a simple comparison - since 2005 alone, 251 people in this country have been mauled to death by dogs.

The question to you, Mr. Troll, is do you own a dog?

If so, shame on you.

If not, go spew your crap on some dog forum.

For the record, Mr. Card is a fraud. A liar, a self-important tool, and a jackass of the highest order. In fact, if I ever meet Mr. Card in person, I would be tempted to kick him as hard as I can square in his a$$ for being a fraud and a cheat and a liar. Before I do so I will need someone to mark a good spot for me because - as far as I can tell - he's all a$$.

Before you post one more word of your drivel on this forum, take five minutes to research Mr. Card and report back to Uncle Skippy what you found.

I see you lurking Mr. rick*star :colbert:

Did you do your research on Mr. Card, the Dollar Store cashier and Taxi Cab driver?

Remember, extract you head from your perineum before you post here again. Right now you are about ready to respond to my post. I'm warning you Buttercup, do not do it until you bone up on your facts. Fight the urge to retort and do your homework assignment.

I let my contact on the teacup poodle forum know that you may be stopping by to chide them for keeping animals that are about 30 times as likely to kill them as are venomous and constricting snakes.

They are ready for you.

Don't do it!

Uncle Skippy FTW!!! :D

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Originally Posted by rick*star

I have read all the comments and I also watched the program with Winston Card as the host, and it's really difficult for me to
believe that Danny had the best interest of his children's safety in mind. I wrote a message earlier but used a word that the
editor chose to change. I thank him for that so I'll try and stay on point with future messages. What I don't think is, that
Mrs. Danny Steele (wife), Ms. Carolyn Steele (Mom), and brother Tyler Steele, comprehend the mortal danger that her
children, her grandchildren, and his nephews, are exposed to. Try and take your emotions out of this and look at it totally
pragmatically. Danny has a lot of snakes both venomous and constrictors. They can kill with both their venom and their
constriction. One memory lapse, one time forgetting to lock one of the cages, one moment of distraction, is all that it will
take for this to become a tragedy. I know Danny thinks he was ganged up on, but, his family circled the wagons and stuck by
him with through all these condemnations. I don't think Mr. Card is a bad guy, he was just trying to show that he had ton's of
experience and that someone has to be accountable for the children's safety. The family seemed more concerned about how
horrible it was that Danny was being attacked and not about the unsafe environment that the children are growing up in.
Shame on you!

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Clearly you feel a lot of anger, maybe even hatred, toward people who keep venomous or constricting snakes and also have children. I simply want to ask…

Do you feel the same way about people who have children and also drive cars? Own dogs? Have pharmaceuticals in their home? Have cleaning chemicals in their home? Allow their children to take horseback riding lessons? Allow their children outside?!

Because honestly… those are much greater dangers to children. A few snakes, whether venomous or constricting, are of very little danger to anyone, including children, if properly and responsibly housed. But dogs, even small ones, are much greater danger. Far more dogs kill people, including adults, every year than do snakes. Dogs not only kill people, but also cause disfigurement and severe, even permanent, injury. Dogs aren’t just a danger to people, but also can cause a lot of property damage. Horses are even more dangerous. Although “bomb proof” is a popular term for the “been there done that” calm as can be almost dead lesson horse, no horse is truly that trustworthy. Put any horse in the right situation and they can explode, and that explosion can cause severe injury or death to any person, including children. If the horse isn’t a so-called “bomb proof” almost dead lesson horse, it is even more dangerous. Getting thrown from a horse can happen to anyone who is riding a horse, and can result in severe injury. A riding horse can also trip and fall on the rider, again causing severe injury. Just being around horses can result in bites, kicks, stomps, or get knocked down or run over, all of which can lead to severe injury. Horses kill people. And cars… do we even want to go there? Cars cause death and injury multiple times every single day. I’ll say that again. Every.single.day. You need not even be in a car to be injured or killed by one. Really, cars need to be made illegal. It isn’t enough to require licenses, seat belts, outlaw drunk driving, have all kinds of safety features, and say “be careful”, people are still injured and killed every day by cars, adults, children, and babies alike. Speaking of cars… how about the number of infant car seats that are improperly installed and lead to serious injury or death when involved in an accident? It is estimated as many as 75% of all infant car seats are improperly installed. If we want to keep our children safe, we should outlaw driving with an infant in the car. End of story there. And pharmaceuticals and chemical cleaners, how many times do we hear about children being harmed by those? It’s bad enough there’s actually a poison hotline to call so you can get help when your child does get into it…

All of these very real and very common dangers to our children, and you are concerned about snakes that are locked away?

:bow: Uncle Skippy

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I'll give you credit for being the wordiest troll to ever grace this site. Unfortunately your comparative eloquence and your thin veneer of pretending to give a crap about Danny and his family are just that - thin and superficial. You are not fooling anyone as to why you are here and what your motive is.

Unfortunately, like most people who are trollish, vapid and self-delusional, your reasoning is also slow, lumbering and stupid. You came into a saloon full of gunfighters brandishing a spork. If you had two working brain cells to rub together, you would have done some research before you opened your mouth and smeared your verbal spoor all over this thread.

Let me educate you shrek*star, since 1990, there have been 16 fatalities attributed to captive, venomous snakes in the United States.

In that same time period, there have been 10 fatalities attributed to captive, constricting snakes in the United States. Since you probably have at most, 10 fingers, let me do the math for you before you bend over to take off your shoes and socks.

That's a combined 26 fatalities in 23 years.

Now let's do a simple comparison - since 2005 alone, 251 people in this country have been mauled to death by dogs.

The question to you, Mr. Troll, is do you own a dog?

If so, shame on you.

If not, go spew your crap on some dog forum.

For the record, Mr. Card is a fraud. A liar, a self-important tool, and a jackass of the highest order. In fact, if I ever meet Mr. Card in person, I would be tempted to kick him as hard as I can square in his a$$ for being a fraud and a cheat and a liar. Before I do so I will need someone to mark a good spot for me because - as far as I can tell - he's all a$$.

Before you post one more word of your drivel on this forum, take five minutes to research Mr. Card and report back to Uncle Skippy what you found.

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*sniffle*

I love you Uncle SKippy. Also, I'm awarding you fifteen internet points for "You came into a saloon full of gunfighters brandishing a spork."

And it's factually correct. To the troll, if you think it's "unwise" to have children with snakes, then you MUST be ranting at all dog owners right? ALso any family who daringly allows their children to own horses. And don't forget, it's not "pitbulls" that kill all the people in the US, it's all breeds.

Don't forget cats. Cat bites become infected easily AND many children are deathly allergic and thus cats cause many deaths each year, without figuring in how many might trip a child down the stairs or lure a unsuspecting child into traffic or other danger.

Ever see those horrifyingly unwise parents who allow their children to ride BICYCLES??? My Gawd!! What are they thinking??? Look up the stats on bicycle related deaths and injury too while you're up on your pedestal of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN".

My advice, if you're serious and not a troll(hahahaha) and not a shill from the network, is to look up a few facts and figures before you believe a moronic "reality" program on cable.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Don't forget cats. Cat bites become infected easily AND many children are deathly allergic and thus cats cause many deaths each year, without figuring in how many might trip a child down the stairs or lure a unsuspecting child into traffic or other danger.

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PEANUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about deadly allergies....

100% of the people born, will die in their lifetime.

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

100% of the people born, will die in their lifetime.

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60% of the time it works every time. Its made with bits of real panther, so you know its good.

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hey new guy, who the bloody hell are you and why the bloody hell should ANYONE listen to anything you have to say? Do you keep snakes? Have you ever kept snakes? What type, for how long and if you don't still have them, why?

You REALLY shouldn't piss Ol Uncle Skippy, heh heh heh, off. And he's the NICE one.

So, genius who cares soooooo much for his fellow man and his children, other than showing just how stupid you are, what are you hoping to accomplish here?

What do you do for a living smart guy?

This whole situation is absolutely vulgar. Seems to be some good info for keepers in here though. Stay away from mainstream media. We all know that snakes are not something that the media is portraying in a positive light. Unfortunately we live in a country where anything different is chastised mercilessly. If it doesn't fit into the puzzle of what the media decides is "IN" this week then it's made to look undesirable. Seems to me the majority of people who would rather go with the uneducated views that television projects aren't really worth their own opinions and their opinions don't seem to add up to much either. So screw it. ;) people will always fear what they don't understand. I'm proud to consider myself among the 1 percent of true Individuals. Let your freak flag fly!!!

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Let me educate you shrek*star, since 1990, there have been 16 fatalities attributed to captive, venomous snakes in the United States.

In that same time period, there have been 10 fatalities attributed to captive, constricting snakes in the United States. Since you probably have at most, 10 fingers, let me do the math for you before you bend over to take off your shoes and socks.

That's a combined 26 fatalities in 23 years.

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26 in 23 years? Did you know that the consumer product safety commission knows of at least 67 drowning deaths in buckets during the years 1985-1987, mostly to young children 8 - 12 months old?
http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Newsroom/News...oung-Children/
This frightened me so much that I'm considering replacing all of my 5 gallon plastic buckets with snakes. Does anybody have any tips on how I can mop my floors with a snake?

You should always drill a few holes in your bucket before you store babies in them.

Buckets and Bikes and Dogs, Oh My.

Shoot kids in my day had monkey bars on asphalt playgrounds, and we caught our own snakes.

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Originally Posted by arialmt

Shoot kids in my day had monkey bars on asphalt playgrounds, and we caught our own snakes.

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Same here...and that wasnt long ago :(

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Originally Posted by Rob

Same here...and that wasnt long ago :(

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There used to be so many snakes in my area. They are still there but no where as many as before. I used to catch Cali kings, garters, gopher snakes, and all sorts of other critters that I just don't see anymore. :/

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

You should always drill a few holes in your bucket before you store babies in them.

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Excellent information! Sticky!

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
just doesn't wash. There's risk in everything, but, it's 100% certain that if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake, you are
going to get bit. Snakes are primordial creatures, taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it. So
please folks, don't try and make any comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, it's just silly. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first.
Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught of insults and name calling!

Trololololollol that Is my two cents to the prior post.

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
just doesn't wash. There's risk in everything, but, it's 100% certain that if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake, you are
going to get bit. Snakes are primordial creatures, taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it. So
please folks, don't try and make any comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, it's just silly. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first.
Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught of insults and name calling!

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Given your answer and inability or unwillingness to read and comprehend what you are reading, I am afraid that at this point it would be a waste of keystroke to even address your posts any further.

Only one thing can be added

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...TrollSpray.png

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
just doesn't wash. There's risk in everything, but, it's 100% certain that if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake, you are
going to get bit. Snakes are primordial creatures, taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it. So
please folks, don't try and make any comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, it's just silly. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first.
Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught of insults and name calling!

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I looked at your posts. On that note, your opinion really doesn't deserve much of a response or even name calling. Your ignorance on the subject is just disappointing. Do some home work, then come back.
Chances are your just going to continue down the path your on, in hopes of a negative response and name calling. The very definition of a forum troll.

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
just doesn't wash. There's risk in everything, but, it's 100% certain that if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake, you are
going to get bit. Snakes are primordial creatures, taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it. So
please folks, don't try and make any comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, it's just silly. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first.
Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught of insults and name calling!

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The entirety of life is based around eating and reproducing. It's all any of us are good for. Why judge a reptile for doing what I do? I'm as dangerous to a chicken as a venomous snake is to its prey.

I fixed your post for you.

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
but you are right. There's risk in everything, I now realize that. Nothing is 100% certain, even if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake. Snakes are primordial creatures, but so are many other animals. Taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen, but snakes don't need walks either. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it, but that's also what all living animals do. So
please folks, do make more comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, because it's good to think about. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first, although all predators must bite, kill, and swallow to survive.
Ok, I'm ready for more enlightenment. You folks are far greater than me!!!

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;)

You guys are hurting my feelings! I might have to sign off permanently.
Is that what you wan't????

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Originally Posted by rick*star

You guys are hurting my feelings! I might have to sign off permanently.
Is that what you wan't????

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Unless you are willing to admit that all pets pose a threat to humans and it isn't just snakes that can be deadly, then yes I think that is what we want.

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
just doesn't wash. There's risk in everything, but, it's 100% certain that if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake, you are
going to get bit. Snakes are primordial creatures, taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it. So
please folks, don't try and make any comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, it's just silly. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first.
Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught of insults and name calling!

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Welcome back.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any more vapid or irrelevant, you once again proved that you are thicker than anyone gave you credit for.

What does it matter whether you can walk a snake, or cuddle with a snake, or express the anal glands of a snake like you can a dog? By not answering my question, you answered my question - you are a dog owner. Don't deny it. You own a dog - which explains your illogical and incoherent attempt to quantify or make excuses for the fact that dogs pose a much higher mortality risk than snakes.

What in your vast knowledge of venomous snakes qualifies you to assert that there is a 100% chance of getting bitten when presenting your hand to one? Listen Clown Car, when I want advice on skin tags, dealing with a sixth digit, the best ways to romantically woo my sister or homegrown remedies for dealing with hemorrhoids - I'll ask your advice. When it comes to snakes, you are about as qualified to offer observations or assess risk as Melissa Kaplan -or your poster boy - Winston Card the Herpetologist Who is Not a Herpetologist.

You are right about one thing - there is a risk in everything. If you had stopped with that one assertion, you and I would be in complete agreement on just one thing (and God knows how the Universe would have responded). However, you then had to go on to make one of the stupidest statements in BP-Net forum history. When presented with irrefutable data that proves that dogs kill more people in one year than snakes have in 20+ years you tried to negate that fact by validating the risks of dog ownership against the benefit that dogs can be walked, dogs like to lick their own privates, can be used to fetch slippers or taught parlor tricks.

Since I can't edit the diarrhea that dribbles off of hooves and onto the pages of this forum I'll be have to find contentment in the fact that your last post was so stupid, it will forever stand as a monument to just how stupid an idiot can be if he applies himself to it.

Plus, you did not do your homework like I directed you to. If you had, you would have discovered that Winston Card is to herpetology what Chef Boyardee is to fine dining. You get an F and a big frowny face for failing to do your due diligence.

This guy doesnt desrve a response.... and thats all I gotta say about that....

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Originally Posted by rick*star

You guys are hurting my feelings! I might have to sign off permanently.
Is that what you wan't????

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No.

There are people who are afraid of clowns.

There are people that love clowns.

The former will want you to go.

The latter will want you to stay.

Your presence on this forum is needed. It's nice to have someone around here who makes the rest of us realize just how lucky that we are to have been born with a full complement of chromosomes.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Your presence on this forum is needed. It's nice to have someone around here who makes the rest of us realize just how lucky that we are to have been born with a full complement of chromosomes.

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It's kind of like honey boo boo. Horrible tv, but man does it make you feel better about yourself.

That is correct Ricky, you have been put in the same boat as one Miss honey boo boo. That just happend.

Here's one thing I can't get out of my mind...

Since our new favorite troll's original concern was the children, and he's now talking about a "100% chance" of getting bit by a venomous snake if you stick your hand in its enclosure...

Who advocated allowing children to stick their hands in venomous snake enclosures? :confusd:

Straw man argument perhaps? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Shadera

Watched it. Don't have any idea who the guy is, but his arrogant attitude of "I'm gonna call you when I'm 80 and brag about how I worked with hots my entire life and never got bit" was more than a little offputting. Sure, the channel may have skewed some things a bit, they always do, but I couldn't have been the only one crapping my pants every time he put his hands within easy strike range of those hots. He also had no antivenin on hand, or a plan in place for if he was bitten for his family to follow. He's an accident waiting to happen, and someday his luck WILL run out.

Who was the older fellow that was trying to make this guy use some common sense? I tuned in a few minutes after it started, and it never said who he was. Crutchfield?

ETA - FOund a tiny bit of info on it, but no links to full show.
http://press.discovery.com/uk/apl/pr...-intervention/

Guy's name was Danny Steele. There are some photos of him at the link.

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Troll aside...

I'm sure the editing had an effect on the viewer's perception of the situation but I'm pretty sure that Danny said he would never get "bit". I don't think they forced him to say that. For me, that was the worst part of the show and had the biggest impact on my view of Danny.

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Originally Posted by rick*star

Hey everyone, rick*star is baaaack! Reading most of your posts, it's interesting
that making comparisons between dogs, cats horses, cars, bicycles, and gerbils,
just doesn't wash. There's risk in everything, but, it's 100% certain that if you
put your hand in the cage of, let's say, just about any venomous snake, you are
going to get bit. Snakes are primordial creatures, taking them for a walk, or, I
guess I should say slither, isn't going to happen. All these reptiles are capable
of, is resting, killing and eating, making little babies, and that's about it. So
please folks, don't try and make any comparisons of the danger between snakes
and any other animal, it's just silly. Sit, shake, speak, roll over, or, in the case of
a snake, bite, kill, swallow head first.
Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught of insults and name calling!

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I'm not sure which is more stupid, your posts or your need to keep posting......

Here is the story straight from Danny's mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYSZes_DBmw

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Originally Posted by wilomn

hey new guy, who the bloody hell are you and why the bloody hell should ANYONE listen to anything you have to say? Do you keep snakes? Have you ever kept snakes? What type, for how long and if you don't still have them, why?

You REALLY shouldn't piss Ol Uncle Skippy, heh heh heh, off. And he's the NICE one.

So, genius who cares soooooo much for his fellow man and his children, other than showing just how stupid you are, what are you hoping to accomplish here?

What do you do for a living smart guy?

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Still waiting on answers to these questions. I'm pretty sure none of them are beyond your intellectual ability to comprehend and respond. I tried to use small words so even you could understand what I was asking for.

So, what's the deal?

Sorraia, very good. Quick witty response! Uncle Skippy, I'm not sure I should thank you or not? You know what, THANKS!
Ok folks, I'm going to stick around a little longer just to give you my point of view. There have been some very good
responses, but, I ain't no Honey Boo Boo, and I ain't no Troll (whatever that is?), and I'm not stupid! I just offer a
different point of view. Have any of you ever ever ever seen or heard of a domesticated snake? One that would respond
to the owners commands? I think not!

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Sorraia, very good. Quick witty response! Uncle Skippy, I'm not sure I should thank you or not? You know what, THANKS!
Ok folks, I'm going to stick around a little longer just to give you my point of view. There have been some very good
responses, but, I ain't no Honey Boo Boo, and I ain't no Troll (whatever that is?), and I'm not stupid! I just offer a
different point of view. Have any of you ever ever ever seen or heard of a domesticated snake? One that would respond
to the owners commands? I think not!

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So, pets that obey commands are the only ones that people should keep? What about fish? turtles? Bunnies? hamsters? rats? birds?

My snake obeys me more than my cat, so maybe it is domesticated!

So, why does an animal need to be "domesticated" and obey commands to be a viable pet?

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Sorraia, very good. Quick witty response! Uncle Skippy, I'm not sure I should thank you or not? You know what, THANKS!
Ok folks, I'm going to stick around a little longer just to give you my point of view. There have been some very good
responses, but, I ain't no Honey Boo Boo, and I ain't no Troll (whatever that is?), and I'm not stupid! I just offer a
different point of view. Have any of you ever ever ever seen or heard of a domesticated snake? One that would respond
to the owners commands? I think not!

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Say genius, how does an animals with no way to hear respond to commands? It's sort of like asking you to pull your head out of your ass long enough to answer the questions I've now asked you twice.

Like Mr. Gump said, stupid is as stupid does.

This is my first time posting on these forums and its mainly due to the subject of this thread. I listened to the radio interview with Danny and was extremely upset with what animal planet did. I have snakes and children as well and I feel so sorry for everything he has gone through due to this. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family Danny!

All I can say in response to rick*star is that I have been bit by a ton more "domesticated" dogs than I have "unsafe" pet snakes and I have handled a ton of snakes.

Technically, the fact that dogs CAN be trained yet STILL kill more people in the average year than venomous snakes have in the past 20 proves that dogs are way more dangerous, despite the whole "I can walk my dog!" argument.

And you told a big fat fib. There is not a 100% chance you will be bit if you stick your hand into a venomous snake's cage. Total lie, totally false. Don't think so? Check out ANY reputable venom lab and ANY reputable venomous keeper and see how many times you see them handle their reptiles in a smart, careful, educated manner without getting bitten. Then tell yourself "Wow, I'm a big old liar."

In fact... it's entirely possible to walk PAST a wild venomous snake and not be bitten. There's even a chance that you can handle a wild venomous snake and not be bitten. There's plenty of cases of it happening and I myself once picked up and handled a pygmy rattler in ignorance, and it did not bite me. Do I advocate picking up wild pygmy rattlers? Heck no! But with my own experience, I just proved you're a big liar. Liar liar, pants up in flames that you no doubt wanted from the forum in response to your ignorant trolling posts to get attention you can't get in a responsible adult way.

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Sorraia, very good. Quick witty response! Uncle Skippy, I'm not sure I should thank you or not? You know what, THANKS!
Ok folks, I'm going to stick around a little longer just to give you my point of view. There have been some very good
responses, but, I ain't no Honey Boo Boo, and I ain't no Troll (whatever that is?), and I'm not stupid! I just offer a
different point of view. Have any of you ever ever ever seen or heard of a domesticated snake? One that would respond
to the owners commands? I think not!

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Domestication has nothing to do with an animal being able to listen to a command. A domesticated animal is something that can provide a himan being with a resource essentially. How often do you see a meat cow lovongly obey their master? The ONLY thing domestication does is to provide a human with a benefit. Hell we'll go to an extreme example. Domesticated plants like CORN. Doesnt listen to commands but still provides a lot for people. That's what it is.

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He keeps going back to that training point. Irritating.

So what? I don't care if my pets "like" me back, or live for my attention. The feedback I get doesn't make the animal more or less dangerous. You know what creates dangerous situations with animals? Careless people. That goes for ANY animal. A dog can maul a person to death, a cat scratch can send you to the hospital from the infections, a horse can do massive amounts of physical damage, rat bites are a puncture wound, and the list goes on and on and on.

It isn't a death sentence to simply possess venomous snakes, nor does it put anyone in immediate danger. My distrust of animal planet and their not so subtle anti-exotics keeper views is leading me to believe that Danny probably doesn't handle his collection carelessly. To be honest, I have yet to meet anyone who keeps venomous or giant snakes that doesn't promote safety first.

If you can believe it, we keep these animals because we enjoy them *gasp* even if they don't do tricks! Who woulda thunk it? I like that I can take my ball pythons out to handle, but someday I'd like to have a Gaboon viper. It isn't going to be my buddy, it probably won't give two flying nuggets that I'm there at all outside of feeding time. Turns out, people are capable of enjoying their pets without being so self centered that they need imprinting pack behavior (commonly mistaken for love) first.

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Sorraia, very good. Quick witty response! Uncle Skippy, I'm not sure I should thank you or not? You know what, THANKS!
Ok folks, I'm going to stick around a little longer just to give you my point of view. There have been some very good
responses, but, I ain't no Honey Boo Boo, and I ain't no Troll (whatever that is?), and I'm not stupid! I just offer a
different point of view. Have any of you ever ever ever seen or heard of a domesticated snake? One that would respond
to the owners commands? I think not!

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Honest question - Why is the ability to perform cutesy tricks the only characteristic that makes an animal "suitable" to be a pet?


Speaking for my personal experience and preference:
I honestly don't care if some of my pets can perform tricks or not. There are some animals I keep merely for the enjoyment of watching them. Case in point: Fish. You can't teach them tricks. You can't take them for walks. You can't handle them, pet them, etc. All they do is eat and swim around. BUT they are very enjoyable to just sit and watch.
I have kept many different animals, of different species. My first captive snake experience started when I was a young child, I think 2nd or 3rd grade. It was a ribbon snake. By 4th grade I had a ball python. I was the sole caretaker of that snake, and he thrived. In addition to these snakes, I have had experience with captive turtles and tortoises of several species, lizards, fish, cats, dogs, rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, caged birds of different species, chickens, horses, and even an oppossum. I'm sure I'm forgetting something in there... Each animal has its own merits. Each animal has some advantages, but also some disadvantages. Right now I have snakes, cats, dogs, rabbits, rats, horses, chickens, fish, a tortoise, and a lizard. I am really enjoying the snakes because they are fascinating to watch, relaxing even. They require much less attention than a cat or a dog. In fact there are days the cats and dogs are downright annoying and more needy than my 1 year old child! The snakes have fairly basic environmental requirements, and as long as those requirements are met, they are kept cleaned (and they only poop once a week), provided with water, fed once a week, they are perfectly content and happy. Honestly... that to me sounds like a pretty ideal pet right now! My hands are kept full by this child of mine, my full time job, and keeping track of the hubby while helping him to find a job. I love my cats and dogs, but their requirements are so much more intense than the snakes, they can be a little overwhelming on some days!

For that matter, one of my dogs is 2 years old and has refused to be potty trained. She'll hold it all day in her crate, and she's got a clean bill of health, so it is not a health issue. I've tried everything with her, so it isn't lack of trying on my part. Her way of telling me she needs out is to look at me, which is the exact same thing she does when she's hungry or wants attention. If no one is home to let her out, or it's night time, she won't hold it, she'll piddle or poop in the house without regret. Again, doesn't do that in her crate, but will do it if she's left inside the house. She won't even use potty pads any more, she prefers carpet, especially that in the baby room. Her inability to be house trained makes her a pretty poor house pet, despite the fact she's a dog!

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In fact... it's entirely possible to walk PAST a wild venomous snake and not be bitten. There's even a chance that you can handle a wild venomous snake and not be bitten. There's plenty of cases of it happening and I myself once picked up and handled a pygmy rattler in ignorance, and it did not bite me. Do I advocate picking up wild pygmy rattlers? Heck no! But with my own experience, I just proved you're a big liar. Liar liar, pants up in flames that you no doubt wanted from the forum in response to your ignorant trolling posts to get attention you can't get in a responsible adult way.

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I'll attest to this fact. As a field biologist in Southern California, I have come across my fair share of venomous rattlesnakes. Some of these encounters occurred miles from paved roads without a cell phone signal, where a bite would easily end up a fatal experience. Some of these encounters have been VERY close. One such encounter... following behind a coworker through some brush and up out of a river bed. As I was about to step up the bank, following her footsteps, I looked down and saw a rattlesnake right next to her footstep. My coworker nearly stepped on a rattlesnake, and it did not so much as rattle, nor did it bite. This was a far more dangerous situation than putting your hand in a snake's enclosure. Nothing is ever guaranteed, even when it comes to venomous snakes.

If you're reading this Danny, I'm sorry all this happened to you. I was floored listening to that radio interview. It makes me so angry this was all twisted and warped. There are some really sick people in this world to try to take your kids and pets away when you took the proper precautions for their safety. I can't even image having to deal with a custody battle with your inlaws. I really hope things get better for you from here on out. Too bad you can't sue them for lying and slander.

Edit: As for walking past venomous. Yep I've done it and didn't even know. I was out on a group trail ride with friends and family. My horse and I were up front. At one people they call up to me saying "A little warning would of been nice!" I turned around and my horse and I had walked right past a rattlesnake moving across the trail. Never coiled or rattled at us. And usually when they are defensive they let you know from a WAYS away to stay away. I've been out on rides in AZ and heard three rattlesnakes on one trail ride alone. Only way we saw them was by their noise and they were at least a good 10 feet off the trail.