Wilomn...

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Actually, a better example would be cooking.
When you first learn how to cook, you follow a recipe word for word. As you gain experience, you find that you don't have to follow the recipe word for word and can add your own flare to it. You can replace certain ingredients and different amounts of it to still gain a similar final result.

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Actually I have taught myself how to cook by experimenting... Never used a recipe unless u count cooking instructions.. And I have been told im a damn good cook..not a pro chef but I can make anything taste good lol

Now at the same time right now metaphoricaly i'm making Mac n cheese and I want to make lasagna, however experimenting in this case could cause harm to a living pet snake.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Apparently it hasnt gotton his attention....
It amazes me how everyone assumes your being aggressive or attacking when your simply trying to get a legitimate answer for a question that was answered with a bit of an condescending attitude..

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It's the fact you singled him out that makes you sound aggressive or attacking. You didn't just ask for 'out of the box' methods in general to the forum. You specified for Wilomn.
I bet he knows about this thread. But he isn't required to answer if he doesn't want to.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Actually I have taught myself how to cook by experimenting... Never used a recipe unless u count cooking instructions.. And I have been told im a damn good cook..not a pro chef but I can make anything taste good lol

Now at the same time right now metaphoricaly i'm making Mac n cheese and I want to make lasagna, however experimenting in this case could cause harm to a living pet snake.

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Ok. You missed the analogy...

And there was no implying of experimentation. There have been enough experimentation in the past to achieve our current knowledge of bp husbandry and needs.

The recipe for Mac & Cheese say use American cheese. You can substitute that with Mozzarella cheese and still get a great Mac & Cheese. Saying Mac & Cheese and Lasagna is Apples to Oranges...... That's like you saying you have ball pythons, but want to house monitor lizards using the same husbandry requirement.

The point of the analogy was to say there are different ways to achieve the same final result and goal. Nothing is set in stone.
Experienced keepers understand this. They understand that there are more than one way to keep a ball python healthy and thriving....
Many of us have probably started with the caresheet and calibrated our husbandry accordingly word for word. With experience, you realize, there are other ways that do the same thing successfully.

It's just what works for you and what keeps your animal's healthy.

I'm scared of Wilomn.

(it feels good to finally type it out loud)

more popcorn!!!!!

Anyone want some?? I have original and butter flavors!

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Actually, a better example would be cooking.
When you first learn how to cook, you follow a recipe word for word. As you gain experience, you find that you don't have to follow the recipe word for word and can add your own flare to it. You can replace certain ingredients and different amounts of it to still gain a similar final result.

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Unless you are making a soufflé. Trust me learned the hard way:colbert:

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

So what you are saying is, because he is new, we should refuse to answer his questions about advanced husbandry.

This seems wrong.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

How do I progress beyond noob if People don't share some more advanced advice is the point.. Not saying I would jump out and keep 5 snakes in one tank and feed them all live together at once..

I would like more advanced methods and options as maybe your advances method happens to suit my needs and abilities better..

I am guilty of and see others freaking out about keeping "perfect" husbandry with temps and stuff as the way a lot of the basic info gets put to ppl it's like keep these numbers for temps and humidity or your snakes going to die..

I originally decided to get a bp cuz they are easy to care for compared to a lot of reptiles.. Then I came here and i saw a lot of the advice and it honestly made keeping a bp seem way harder then it is.. At least so far..

Also maybe if I fiddle with it I will find something new that I could then offer on here as an option

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We do have an advanced husbandry sub-forum.

Simply asking in a different tone there may have got a few more replies.

It's difficult to explain the focus on the basic husbandry plan we "regurge" without offending people by accident. It is used because it requires the least knowledge and observational skills and doesn't presume the keeper can tell, from behaviour only, when something isn't working for the animal before it actually causes any problems.

Unlike cooking we try and avoid throwing failed experiments in the trash.

I genuinely believe it is better for people to learn how to walk before they attempt to run when it affects another living being so fundamentally. We have never said there is only one way to keep BP's healthy and happy - though at times reading the site it can seem that way.


dr del

I'm not sure if the op is being sincere or just trying to get a rise out of wilomn lol but whatever.
I guess an example of something I personally practice that is not the normal procedure for most is offering food the first day I get a snake in. It's something that I have found to work but popular belief is that it's best to let them settle in.

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Originally Posted by dr del

We do have an advanced husbandry sub-forum.

Simply asking in a different tone there may have got a few more replies.

It's difficult to explain the focus on the basic husbandry plan we "regurge" without offending people by accident. It is used because it requires the least knowledge and observational skills and doesn't presume the keeper can tell, from behaviour only, when something isn't working for the animal before it actually causes any problems.

Unlike cooking we try and avoid throwing failed experiments in the trash.

I genuinely believe it is better for people to learn how to walk before they attempt to run when it affects another living being so fundamentally. We have never said there is only one way to keep BP's healthy and happy - though at times reading the site it can seem that way.


dr del

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I think we can all agree that this thread was created for the wrong reason, but I believe the OP truly does just want information about unconventional husbandry.

So far, I have seen few replies even hinting that people would be willing to share their practices. OP just keeps getting shut down by every member who posts.

I think it is also understood that newbies get the easy husbandry. We don't give them advanced husbandry because they aren't asking for it. But in this case, the OP is SPECIFICALLY asking for information regarding advanced husbandry. Who are we to say that because you are new and just starting out that you don't deserve this information? OP has the basic husbandry down. He is doing things right and by the book. After hearing different opinions on husbandry requirements, he may or may not decide to investigate further or change his ways.

This is not the right thread for this kind of discussion, it does belong in advanced husbandry, and we definitely shouldn't be making threads to "call out" any specific person.

I'm just baffled that everyone seems to be jumping on the "don't give the newb any complicated husbandry information" bandwagon. Why can't we just suggest that the OP make a new thread that is more geared toward his actual question? Why isn't anyone trying to help? Why is everyone sitting back and "eating popcorn"? Come on guys, we've all made mistakes. We were all new at one point. We all wondered why Wilomn makes the posts that he does.

I understand why the OP made this thread. I don't agree that he should have made it, but I get it. It makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I'm not sure if the op is being sincere or just trying to get a rise out of wilomn lol but whatever.
I guess an example of something I personally practice that is not the normal procedure for most is offering food the first day I get a snake in. It's something that I have found to work but popular belief is that it's best to let them settle in.

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Heh heh....I do that too a lot of the time. I know, I know, -- it's a carved in stone no-no, but almost all of mine eat the first or second day. My own nutty theory is that it helps them settle in. I give them a smallish prey item, a warm dark place to hide, and fresh water. Snake heaven. I have never had a regurg in the years I've done this.

Before I offer food I watch how the snake is acting- if it's huddled in a corner trying to hide I don't offer, if it's exploring its bin and active I do. I'd never tell someone else to do as I do.

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Originally Posted by BrandiR

I'm scared of Wilomn.

(it feels good to finally type it out loud)

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He is one of my favorite people on here! Up there with Skip, but I'd never "call them out" in such a public way. Playing with fire and all of that :P

To the OP: If you're curious about someone's husbandry practices, PM them. This was plain rude. The idea of learning anything you can, especially with animals you care for, is good. I'm something of an information hoarder myself, but you learn that through lurking and asking specific questions when you need to. Just going out to someone and going "TELL ME YOUR UNCONVENTIONAL METHODS!" doesn't get you too far here, or anywhere for that matter. If you're curious about planted terrariums, ask about planted terrariums. Or start lurking on dart frog and gecko forums for more specific information and build from that. Want to know more about multi-species tanks? Do some research and ask about things that don't make sense to you.

If you're going to respond with moping about how noobs are entitled to information too, knock it off, of course they are. Come up with some questions people can actually answer rather than some post demanding to know someone's entire philosophy and practices on animal care. Books can hardly cover that kind of thing. You're not going to get anything out of this thread, so take a deep breath, use that noggin thing and come up with some material you want to know about. Research research research.

It isn't wrong that you want to learn advanced techniques. Your approach isn't promising

To make the thread titled a member's name, have the opening post 'call them out' without a specific question in mind, then stand back and say 'what, I'm just asking politely for this one member to publicly respond to my undefined questions' seems a whole lot like the definition of trolling to me. The thread is here to illicit a response and is counter-productive to the purpose of these forums. This just doesn't strike me as a thread about ball python husbandry.


Boosted:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ij5KyEGiB6...your-place.jpg

OP, your wish is my command. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...71#post2011071

I hope you guys can agree that this is an appropriate way to adress the root question.

I actually think wilomn makes valid points. Albeit not nearly as straight forward as they could be said; he certainly baits the situation for folks to misinterpret which can lead to a little turmoil and unsettle in members who do not know him well enough to read into his posts. (I am a good example for that, as his point was even missed by me as I read through his posts).

All-round he seems like a very intelligent human being who just doesn't feel the need to fluff anything up when posting. Let me sum up his intended point in the thread that spawned this new one: Reptile husbandry is not black and white, to say something can not be done when it in fact can be done given the right care or circumstances, is simply narrow-minded.

That being said, he didn't care to elaborate on how he accomplished cohabitation because he simply doesn't care to justify it; it [the ability to keep two ball pythons in one enclosure] is not the core of his argument.

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I'm just baffled that everyone seems to be jumping on the "don't give the newb any complicated husbandry information" bandwagon.

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Not the case if someone has an issue (fairly basic one) with their newly acquired animals it is quite obvious they are not ready for advance husbandry, you have to learn to walk before you can run, that's why advice based on experience are geared differently depending on whom you talk to.

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Why can't we just suggest that the OP make a new thread that is more geared toward his actual question?

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Why couldn't the OP ask an actual question instead of CALLING OUT someone and basically ask them to spoon feed everything they know and or do?

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Why isn't anyone trying to help?

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Seems like you are confusing SPOON FEEDING and helping :rolleyes:

It is pretty clear to me that when a member has a SPECIFIC question on something they may have heard off, learn about during their own research or want to experiment (something that would fall under advance husbandry or non traditions compare to caresheets) people will not hesitate to answer by offering their advice. (Here is an example http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...48#post2010748)

There was no specific question here, just a "tell me everything you do" type question that started with "I am calling you out", hardly something anyone would feel compel to answer.

Advance husbandry information are out there for someone who is really interested in learning and experimenting, they'll have to research though no one will spoon feed them, once they research they will have question and they can pick people's brain either on the forum or via PM and I can assure you those questions will be answered.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Not the case if someone has an issue (fairly basic one) with their newly acquired animals it is quite obvious they are not ready for advance husbandry, you have to learn to walk before you can run, that's why advice based on experience are geared differently depending on whom you talk to.

Why couldn't the OP ask an actual question instead of CALLING OUT someone and basically ask them to spoon feed everything they know and or do?


Seems like you are confusing SPOON FEEDING and helping :rolleyes:

It is pretty clear to me that when a member has a SPECIFIC question on something they may have heard off, learn about during their own research or want to experiment (something that would fall under advance husbandry or non traditions compare to caresheets) people will not hesitate to answer by offering their advice. (Here is an example http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...48#post2010748)

There was no specific question here, just a "tell me everything you do" type question that started with "I am calling you out", hardly something anyone would feel compel to answer.

Advance husbandry information are out there for someone who is really interested in learning and experimenting, they'll have to research though no one will spoon feed them, once they research they will have question and they can pick people's brain either on the forum or via PM and I can assure you those questions will be answered.

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Perhaps you are missing my point.

I agree, this particular thread is unnecessary. I agree that the OP should not be calling anyone out like this.

I also agree that we shouldn't be spoon feeding advanced husbandry information to newbies. But in this case, he is asking for our unconventional methods. He seems truly interested even if the initial post didn't make it seem like it. I'm not suggesting that we give him all this info and that he should change anything he is doing currently, but what is the harm in talking about it? Whats the harm in starting a discussion about this topic? I sincerely believe that the OP is on to something. I believe it enough that I have already started a thread in the advanced husbandry section outlining what I think the OP was trying to get at.

Yes some of this information is already out there, but some of it is outdated or incomplete or scattered in unrelated threads. Why not start the discussion?

People make mistakes. This was a bad judgement call on his part, but I don't think that because of this mistake that he deserves to be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Perhaps you are missing my point.


People make mistakes. This was a bad judgement call on his part, but I don't think that because of this mistake that he deserves to be ignored.

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So, now you, and what was your title again, queen of the dweeb newbie or protector of the stupid, something along those lines, wasn't it; regardless, as far as I'm concerned, this clown was being a smartass and doing it for the attention he hoped he would get for being tough enough and man enough to call me out. You can see how well that worked when a few posts in he goes from demanding to whizzing all over himself as he tucks his tail and tries to cover his big dumb ass.

While you, a genuinely nice person, may feel obligated to answering questions from newbs like this guy, I don't. If you don't think that's cool or alright, get used to disappointment, it's unlikely I'll be changing my ways.

Your opinion, as a rule, is good. But, you are trying to make all of us be nice-nice and, frankly, I'm not interested. I've stated it before and I'll put it out there again now, do what you want, but if you post up crap that you know nothing about other than youtube and a few caresheets, if you insist that ONLY that way is right and holy and anyone not doing as you do is wrong, you MIGHT get my attention and if you do, I'll say exactly what I mean exactly the way I mean it. Now, if you're a smartass, like the OP, I might take a minute or two and see if I can push your buttons, but that's the risk you take when you say stupid things.

Think twice, post once.

This is my once in this thread.

Thanks to those who supported me and chuckles to those who 'get it'.

I'm so sorry I didn't say please, as I stated in the second post I wasn't trying to b a git.. Just get some actual reasoning behind your methods.. Seeing as u would clearly rather call ppl names and act like a big shot then answer questions posed to you.. Instead all your responses are filled with sarcastic and hatefull comments ment to inflate your ego a lil more.. Man I'm so jealous u must b such a bad ass cuz u can talk smack on the Internet. I better run and go change my pants cuz u scared the politeness out of me.. Literally

How can I be so cool like u ?

You clearly have a rep on this forum of being a egotistical jackass who gets his rocks off by talking smart.. Otherwise ppl wouldn't have made some of the comments like "poke the bear" or the dragon and what not.. So who gave you rights to be "aggressive" to others and call them names? Yet when someone comes at you in the slightest way your offended..

Im not going to flood the forum with back and fourth with you as its going to result in nothin other then 3rd grade name calling as you continue to not answer simple questions..

Last post before the thread gets locked!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rprisedCat.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Last post before the thread gets locked!

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Nope. Sorry.

I haven't even had a chance to read the whole thread yet.

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Sometimes rational, intelligent people speak their mind on the internet. Those with enough smarts to recognize indisputable truth value the weigh-in. Those without get angry and try to 'call them out' or call them tough guys. I believe there's a Dilbert comic I linked one other time in a similar thread.

http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000...rip.sunday.gif

People said things like "Poke the Bear" out of respect for Wes. I too once "poked the bear" and I'm glad I did. He put my cocky self right in my place. I learned a lot from him on the public posts and in private messages.

My advice to is to slow your roll. Think about why everyone here is posting the things they are. It's because of the respect the man has earned. He is not here to hurt anyone's feelings. But if he does so what? If you pay attention you'll find that he can spot BS a mile away and will call you out when he does.

Wes isn't always right. I don't think he ever claimed to be the end all be all of reptile husbandry but I can promise you that he will always give an honest reply and you will learn a hell of a lot if you just stop typing and read what the man has to say.

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Originally Posted by OsirisRa32

YAY Northern Virginia!!

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Hope that was sarcasm..

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Originally Posted by sissysnakes

Hope that was sarcasm..

Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2

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Only slightly....YAY as in I cant stand it and after born and raised here IM FLEEING!!!!

But I also meant it sincerely as in "YAY Im glad to see other people from my hometown area" on here.....

Go ahead lock and delete.. Idc "special" ppl need special treatment.. If he has good advice to give then give it and earn respect no need to be arrogant and mean.. If your that grumpy ad have nothing better to do go play world of Warcraft or something

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Go ahead lock and delete.. Idc "special" ppl need special treatment.. If he has good advice to give then give it and earn respect no need to be arrogant and mean.. If your that grumpy ad have nothing better to do go play world of Warcraft or something

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Not to beat the dead horse further, but the precise reason that he only needed to post once, and multiple people with many years more experience than myself have stepped forward to disagree with your approach, is that he DOES have good advice and he HAS earned our respect. Yes, his approach is less than sugar-coated. Quite frankly, I love reading his posts for the sheer intelligence and cleverness behind them. The very valid points that he gets across without spoon-feeding the masses is an added bonus. :gj:

He HAS earned it! What makes you think he needs your approval? Now I'm calling you out? Tell us all why you think you are so special that you deserve such special treatment? Show us all your endless wisdom.

I'll wait.

By the way, internet fights are funny to me so try to refrain from the junior high crap unless you only want to be laughed at.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

go play world of Warcraft or something

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Dude he's old, he probably doesn't even know what that is...

And if he does, he's probably already like a level 98 goblin shaman warlock...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Dude he's old, he probably doesn't even know what that is...

And if he does, he's probably already like a level 98 goblin shaman warlock...

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:rofl::8::rofl::8:

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Dude he's old, he probably doesn't even know what that is...

And if he does, he's probably already like a level 98 goblin shaman warlock...

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YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DOGGONE PORCH!!!

don't know squat is what I don't know blasted children running amuck, no parental responsibility is what that is, rotten parents rotten kids, ringing my doorbell and running away, teasing the hounds, why I ...I oughta...rotten kids...can't leave an old man in peace, back in MY day things were different, mutter mutter mutter...

Calling me out for what? The special treatment comment was directed at him.. As to the name calling and what not he seems to feel is needed but not warranted.. That IMO does not deserve respect.

Im not saying he needs my approval nor do I think he cares or wants my respect.. But when you have an Attitude like his how can anyone take him seriously?

Did I say I had endless wisdom in the herp world? Did I ask for special treatment?

No I have not as I know I'm learning still, I just simply don't think ppl need to hear It from someone so arrogant.. What makes him so better then everyone else like he thinks he is?

U want my wisdom ask me about sports or cars, fixing modifying an racing and I can help u there but where did I say I had all this wisdom you ask for?

One last question.. You all respect him so much but do u think he respects u any more then me or any other noob on this forum? His attitude alone shows that he thinks is the reincarnation. Of wtvr "god" u may believe in..

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

His attitude alone shows that he thinks is the reincarnation. Of wtvr "god" u may believe in..

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He could not possibly believe that. We all know Tom Brady is the reincarnation of god.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Go ahead lock and delete

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Sorry threads do not get deleted here, we believe that all our members are accountable for their actions and what they post which sometimes has it's consequences

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And now a little food for the thoughts.

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earn respect no need to be arrogant and mean

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Respect is earned, but Wes is the one that needs to earn it! YOU may want to rethink your approach when asking questions or debating someone. Being respectful and polite goes a long way. ;)

"Wes I am calling you out" not only did not get you the answers you wanted but it made YOU look arrogant.

You can learn a lot here if you are willing to learn but rubbing people the wrong way, poking the bear (also that one is more of a teddy bear than a grizzly) is not the way to go about it and the language does not help either.

Best advice to you right now is step away from the keyboard and go hug a snake, and think about that thread.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

His attitude alone shows that he thinks is the reincarnation. Of wtvr "god" u may believe in..

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Sorry...this was the only thing that stood out to me in the last post....


http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...4-f97b29d92a24

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

One last question.. You all respect him so much but do u think he respects u any more then me or any other noob on this forum?

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YUP!

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1959978

#109
I'm Luke by the way.

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Being respectful and polite goes a long way.

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I hope this isn't directed just at me..

Simple solution here..

Treat others as you wish to be treated..

If he's going to treat others like dirt I'm going to treat him the same.. Yes I realize this goes both ways but remember I'm not attacking anyone But him..

To be perfectly honest I feel that he prolly doesn't care and that this thread doesn't bother him.. That's fine but apparently it bothers everyone else..

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

YUP!

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1959978

#109
I'm Luke by the way.

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I'm extremely jealous... Maybe if i stop lighting bags of dog poop on fire on his front porch he'll like me someday...

NAHHH :rofl:

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

To be perfectly honest I feel that he prolly doesn't care and that this thread doesn't bother him.. That's fine but apparently it bothers everyone else..

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It's a thread dedicated to him, he's sitting back loving this. Lol can't blame him.

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

YUP!

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1959978

#109
I'm Luke by the way.

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Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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You have now gone from ignorant and irritating to outright offensive.

You are a very poor loser. Do you welch on bets too?

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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Well for starters Luke said post #109. So you wouldnt have to read all of that, just go to post #109.
Secondly, its called the search function. You should use it to lookup all the spots where Wilomn gives great advice to people just like you. Oh never mind, you probably can't handle that much reading...

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

I hope this isn't directed just at me..

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Actually it was, that's why I quoted YOU and you apparently missed the whole point and the part where I talk about people the wrong way and that's just another example

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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You can still step away from the computer and give it some thought but my guess is that you probably would rather keep digging deeper and deeper.

Oh well I tried :(

PS: You might also want to consider putting anyone you find irritating, or or unlikable on your ignore list, it will make things easier for you.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

I hope this isn't directed just at me..

Simple solution here..

Treat others as you wish to be treated..

If he's going to treat others like dirt I'm going to treat him the same.. Yes I realize this goes both ways but remember I'm not attacking anyone But him..

To be perfectly honest I feel that he prolly doesn't care and that this thread doesn't bother him.. That's fine but apparently it bothers everyone else..

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It's directed at you.
We're all adults here and it is expected that you act like it. Disagreeing with other members is not "treating them like dirt". If you don't like his attitude (which I, and many others, think is cool), then be a big boy and block his posts. You have absolutely no right to call someone out publicly and try to embarrass them in front of their peers. It is tacky and rude.

Yes I did bring it up fast because it meant a lot to me BECAUSE of the respect I have for Wes. This "hobby" has supported me financially for a part of my life and this forum has supported me in less quantifiable ways. I've learned to listen first. A lesson apparently lost on some.

If you seriously just stop and pay attention you'll be better for it. I posted the same thing you did about him a couple years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if you make a complete 180 one day. Life's too short to be pissed off all the time.

Good luck with this. :D

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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Wow, rude much?

And I clicked the link and it took me straight to Lukes post...

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Mike I read post 109 that was all. I meant I'm not reading it all to see the reasoning behind post 109..

Liv- haven't disagreed with him.. The treating ppl like dirt was reffering to the demeaning attitude and name calling. And who's to say I don't have the right to publicly do something on a public forum ?

And deb- can I call u deb? Typing on the iPhone gets annoying with names as autocorrect is always screwing them up.. So he has the right to be arrogant and mean but no one else? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but that's what I gather from u directing my own comment at me..

So, can we just lock this thread? I feel like OP is just going to get himself into more trouble if this continues...

I mean, nothing of value is going to be said at this point. The original question is not going to get answered. So we are just leaving the thread open so we can argue?

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Mike I read post 109 that was all. I meant I'm not reading it all to see the reasoning behind post 109..

Liv- haven't disagreed with him.. The treating ppl like dirt was reffering to the demeaning attitude and name calling. And who's to say I don't have the right to publicly do something on a public forum ?

And deb- can I call u deb? Typing on the iPhone gets annoying with names as autocorrect is always screwing them up.. So he has the right to be arrogant and mean but no one else? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but that's what I gather from u directing my own comment at me..

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No one said you don't have the right to be arrogant and mean. People have just suggested that maybe you should reconsider exercising that right in this case. Personally, I don't care if it's Wilomn or some dude who joined the club three hours ago, if you have the ballpythons to say, "I'm calling you out..." then you need to be prepared for a reaction, whatever it may be.

One of the lessons you should take away from this is that respect does not necessarily equal "like". You called out a respected forum member. As you've witnessed, people will defend a person they respect more passionately than they will defend a person they like. At least people of character will.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Liv- haven't disagreed with him.. The treating ppl like dirt was reffering to the demeaning attitude and name calling. And who's to say I don't have the right to publicly do something on a public forum ?

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The rules of the form do.
3. No Hate Speak. No racial, religious, gender-related, or sexual slurs. No threats of violence or personal attackswhether public posts or private messages.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Mike I read post 109 that was all. I meant I'm not reading it all to see the reasoning behind post 109..

Liv- haven't disagreed with him.. The treating ppl like dirt was reffering to the demeaning attitude and name calling. And who's to say I don't have the right to publicly do something on a public forum ?

And deb- can I call u deb? Typing on the iPhone gets annoying with names as autocorrect is always screwing them up.. So he has the right to be arrogant and mean but no one else? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but that's what I gather from u directing my own comment at me..

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The staff?