Is this Normal from a known breeder?

Not the way I would have liked at this current juncture, but will help in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Derrick

Not the way I would have liked at this current juncture, but will help in the long run.

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You're being very vague

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

You're being very vague

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x2 Indeed....OP, I would like to see emails between you and the breeder to see where it says he refused to replace the snake. I'm just curious (I've never dealt with Garrick before).

I never said he refused. I said he sent an email stating if i wanted another male it would be an additional 250

^ Can you post the emails (with headers)? I'd like to see how he handled the situation

It was handled over the phone today..the other emails are empty of convo. about the mystic except the ones I told him that it died. I can see if I still have em

I'm really interested to know why you're being so vague about this? I can understand not wanting to tread on anyone's feet if that's the reason but I think a lot of people just want to have a bit of a grasp on what the situation was because you're not really providing us with a whole lot of information. I think the lack of info is largely why some people are being a tad apprehensive.

But thats why I PM a member what was going on. I did not put the breeder out there..Mine was a simple question. I didn't want to put him out there like that. But he is out there now. We have come to an understanding and resolved the situation for a further purchase.

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

I'm really interested to know why you're being so vague about this? I can understand not wanting to tread on anyone's feet if that's the reason but I think a lot of people just want to have a bit of a grasp on what the situation was because you're not really providing us with a whole lot of information. I think the lack of info is largely why some people are being a tad apprehensive.

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Lol, I think the fact that it's Garrick of RCD that people are being apprehensive. If it were a no-name cragslist seller, people would accept it and remind the OP about CL deals.

Derrick - why don't you just say how it was resolved? Especially if it isn't satisfactory. I'm wondering if he offered a fair deal, and you're just not happy that you're not ending up with more than you need. It's no big deal really. As long as it has been "resolved" in your mind.

If anyone is thinking about buying from Garrick but you're worried about what happened here, you could just bring this instance up to him, and he will probably explain how it was resolved... I'm bookmarking this thread since I have a feeling that we're not going to get the full story here :confuzd:

Now I'm not saying don't buy from him..Things werent resolved due to a busy schedule and that is understandable and I have bought more from here..Like I said we are using this to help a future purchase. I am getting another male although I paid an additional 250. But I am also getting a better deal on a Future Snake that is in the works..Like I said in the short run its more money in the long run it comes out ok.

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Originally Posted by Derrick

Well he still wanted the 250 dollars. But I am also wanting a Super Lesser. So I paid it and he said hell take hundreds off the BEL SO I dont know itll actually save me some money but I just needed the male..I'm not happy right now but hope it straightens itself out

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right and we discussed more today on the matter..And it will save more than what was originaly posted

Of course I'm not happy about paying another 250..who would be but like I said it will work itself out inn the long run.

I seriously don't get why you're letting him get away with this.

I would sit down and email him and say:

Look, you sent me a mystic that was DOA. Either you send me another at NO CHARGE or I'm posting you on the BOI.

Why should you have to pay $250 to get him to send you a replacement for the snake that arrived to you dead.

Was he not willing to just send you another Mystic at his cost without you paying anything additional? If so, what was his reasoning?

It's nice that it worked out, but some folks went out of their way to help you and, like me, would like to know just what the deal is both now and in the future.

Or just say you're not going to say and deal with the fallout from that.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

It's nice that it worked out, but some folks went out of their way to help you and, like me, would like to know just what the deal is both now and in the future.

Or just say you're not going to say and deal with the fallout from that.

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Willomn, he pmed me this:

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Originally Posted by Derrick

Well he still wanted the 250 dollars. But I am also wanting a Super Lesser. So I paid it and he said hell take hundreds off the BEL SO I dont know itll actually save me some money but I just needed the male..I'm not happy right now but hope it straightens itself out

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Is there a price already set for the bel you'll be getting or will you be getting hundreds (how many I wonder) off an as yet unagreed upon price which may or may not reflect market value. You should nail down what you'll be paying, what the regular price is and some sort of agreement that should the going price be less, then you will be charged, and credited, at that lower price.

If bels were going for, just plucking a round number, 800.00 each right now, and you agreed to that as a starting point upon which you would then receive (another round number) 300.00 in credit, making your purchase price 500.00, BUT the going rate at the time of your purchase was, say 600.00 and you're paying 500.00 then you have saved a whopping 100.00 dollars.

You really should cover all contingencies, what if he doesn't produce any or another dies in transit, in writing.

If the BEL arrives DOA will you have to pay another $250?

I would have never paid an extra $250 now...just to possibly save a couple hundred off a future purchase.

If you contacted him within the time frame established in his Terms & Conditions, then HE should follow his OWN Terms & Conditions and replace the animal with a like animal AT NO EXTRA COST TO YOU. Especially since he still has 2 available at the same price.

For future reference, DO NOT BE SO VAGUE.

This isn't some personal friend of yours or anything, it was a BUSINESS TRANSACTION. By providing details of both the situation and the outcome you can help save other hobbyist from a headache in the future. Just because you give the facts doesn't mean you are throwing him under the bus.

He only has 1 Male Bel. and it is a problem feeder so he told me he is going to go get one for me. There is suppose to be a show hes going to and will get me one there. Yeah I paid the 250 because The females Ive bought where purchased for breeding with the Mystic and its either that or fork out anouther 550-800 for a new one.

No, it's either pay the $250 or involve an attorney which is exactly what I would have done in the situation. His website clearly states his policy. If you have to follow it as a buyer, he has to follow it as the seller.

And he's going to "pick one up for you"? You could have picked one up at a show and still gotten a deal on one without going through with this very odd deal.

Don't think for one minute that I'm attacking you on this, just next time be more open because like I said, you can save one of us from alot of trouble.

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He only has 1 Male Bel. and it is a problem feeder so he told me he is going to go get one for me. There is suppose to be a show hes going to and will get me one there. Yeah I paid the 250 because The females Ive bought where purchased for breeding with the Mystic and its either that or fork out anouther 550-800 for a new one.

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I still don't understand why he won't just send you another replacement Mystic at no extra charge to you? What did he say about his unwillingness to do that?

Doesn't make any sense why he wouldn't do that for you if he has other Mystics available :confusd:

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I still don't understand why he won't just send you another replacement Mystic at no extra charge to you? What did he say about his unwillingness to do that?

Doesn't make any sense why he wouldn't do that for you if he has other Mystics available :confusd:

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Neither do I, and why would you have to pay $250.

I'm seriously beginning to doubt this guys story

Hey, for 250.00 on top of the price I'll find you a nice one out here too. In fact, I'll do it for 200.00.

I'm beginning to think your stomach is going to leave a mark on that barstool, ya know?

He was trying to split the difference because he gave me a deal on buying 7 snakes.

That does not matter! His loss for doing a package price is NOT YOUR PROBLEM. The package price included a LIVING MYSTIC MALE...NOT a dead one.

You are telling me one of the biggest BP breeder's in the country can't eat his loss and call it a day?


And now you've changed your story a bit because you said you paid $550 for the original Mystic??

I don't have any desert or champagne females right now. I wouldn't get a desert female unless you want her as a pet. Nobody has gotten a desert female to lay a fertile clutch of eggs yet. I haven't tried it myself, but with so many bad reports, I don't think I would try it. Male deserts and desert combos breed fine, though.

superblast female $1400
super pastel mojave female $1000
enchi female $500
butter female $400
shipping: $50
total: $3300
Your discounted total: $2750

Let me know what you think. If you want another mystic male, I can add one for $250 for you, making it an even $3000 shipped.

Thanks,


Garrick DeMeyer
Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.

715.845.5545 direct
941.803.2838 fax

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See...it was HIS idea to discount the Mystic in the first place and it died before it got to you. That's not your problem. I would have contacted an attorney.

Thats not a prolem..One of my closest friends is an attorny. But I have already bought others for my breeding projects and dont want to start crap till they get here

I'd like to see the emails where he says he wants you to pay $250 for the DOA mystic.

All this proves is you got the mystic from him.

But another thing is he was talking about the weather being an issue..yet all the others made it..I did ask him to ship it the day he did because storms where suppose to come through TN the next day..but nothing was delayed. So they got here about when they would have ayway. and they where transported in a heated Fed ex Van.

Well, I think I'm done.

God this thread is stupid.

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Well, I think I'm done.

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Again the weather does not relieve his responsibility.

This is his shipping policy...note that everything in it contradicts what has actually happened? If you provided a photo of the dead animal within 24 hours, then they promise no cost replacement and in multiple places guarantee live arrival. They say nothing about required temps for shipping.

Shipping in the US: All of our animals are shipped Fed Ex Overnight, live delivery guaranteed. The cost for most shipments is 50 per box. We can fit a large number of animals in each box so there is no additional shipping charges if you purchase a group of animals. We use insulated boxes to help stabilize the temperature. If needed, 30 hour heat packs are also used. In summer, we will use cool packs to keep the animals from overheating. For small orders, most animals are packaged individually in deli style containers with air holes. Larger orders may require us to put them in groups to save on space. Our survival rate with Fed Ex is around 99%. If there are any losses, we need to be notified within 24 hours, with a photo of the deceased animal sent via email. We do not issue cash refunds for losses, but we do replace the animal at no charge. We ship in the late afternoon or early evening and the package usually arrives the following morning before noon. Someone must be present at the address to sign for the package. Shipments can be sent to your place of employment if you prefer. We usually ship on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Has anyone emailed Garrick to let him know about this thread

Something isn't adding up, this makes very little sense.

Subject: RE: ball pythons Every thing was ok except the mystic male..he was D.O.A. got delivery about 2 --- On Tue, 1/29/13, garrick@crestedgecko.com

Let the mystic warm up for 3-4 hours before disposing of him. I've received snakes that were lifeless and they came around after about 2-3 hours. Normally, fed ex would have had the box there by 10:30AM. I figured there was going to be a delay of some type with the weather they had. Thanks, Garrick DeMeyer Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.

Subject: RE: ball pythons

Nothing...Hes gotten nice and warm but hes gone

I don't understand why that snake got so cold and the others were all fine. It doesn't make any sense.

Thanks,


Garrick DeMeyer
Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.

715.845.5545 direct
941.803.2838 fax

So what would like me to do. --- On Thu, 1/31/13, garrick@crestedgecko.com <garrick@crestedgecko.com> wrote:

Then that was last I heard of the Mystic until he said hed send another for 250..our Normal fed ex is 12-2 in statesvile from Conover.

So where is the email saying he will only replace it if you send another $250?

Yes!. I've already spoken to him today delt with this..It's funny I ask a question, I dont put his name out there and because I'm new here I'm attacked..I never said not to buy from him. I never said I would never buy from him..But to me something felt off . So I asked a supposed group of adults for their input and it's snowballed into this crap. I have stated over and over its done, but it's continued to be attacked.

the oly one is the one stating that for 250 hed send one..thats it that was the only mention after the last post

Derrick, don't take it personaly, read the PM I just sent you - this hobby relies on reputation and honesty. It's so easy for bad things to happen. People aren't attacking you, it's just absolutely necessary to have as much information and detail as possible, on a thread like this - People want to know that everybody involved was being honest throughout the transaction, and that if somebody did something wrong, that they have the opportunity to correct the issue.

You did not say not to buy from him, but without more information on the topic, people are left to wonder if they can TRUST the breeder, and without more details, nobody can say definitively if all the necessary steps were taken to make things right.

It was a question that got out of control. I mean I just dropped another mound of cash with him today..He is a busy man and things look different from the outside. Unless you're having the conversations on the phone nothing is gonna look right.

I feel that Derrick just wanted input from the forum whether or not something was common practice with purchasing from a large breeder. He didn't want to put the name of the breeder out there, and confided in another member with a private message. Then the name was released even though the OP never intended to give it out. Now I understand some people's desire to have all the details of the transaction and communication, for what precise reason I am not sure... It may be because they just want everything to be clear and info to be available for all buyers/sellers/whatever... Or it may be because they want to blow something up... I'm not speculating either way and am not trying to say anything negative here. BUT.... The OP just wanted a general question answered and ended up having more exposed than he wished.... And in my opinion, it's his right to give whatever level of info that he wishes to. Just my 2 cents....

Your answers aren't adding up. If you're upset that he's not making it right the way he should, and that you don't want to get a lawyer until your animals are here, why would you order more today.

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i feel that derrick just wanted input from the forum whether or not something was common practice with purchasing from a large breeder. He didn't want to put the name of the breeder out there, and confided in another member with a private message. Then the name was released even though the op never intended to give it out. Now i understand some people's desire to have all the details of the transaction and communication, for what precise reason i am not sure... It may be because they just want everything to be clear and info to be available for all buyers/sellers/whatever... Or it may be because they want to blow something up... I'm not speculating either way and am not trying to say anything negative here. But.... The op just wanted a general question answered and ended up having more exposed than he wished.... And in my opinion, it's his right to give whatever level of info that he wishes to. Just my 2 cents....

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thank you!

I don't get why he is not honoring his terms. Just from looking at your side of story it seems unreasonable for you to pay the extra 250 and others feel the same. With the views this thread has....seems over 250 he is going to turn off some potential buyers. It just seems so odd a big name breeder would do that.:confusd:

also he is getting you another at a show? From who? If I'm getting a snake I want to know from who.

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I don't get why he is not honoring his terms. Just from looking at your side of story it seems unreasonable for you to pay the extra 250 and others feel the same. With the views this thread has....seems over 250 he is going to turn off some potential buyers. It just seems so odd a big name breeder would do that.:confusd:

also he is getting you another at a show? From who? If I'm getting a snake I want to know from who.

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From what I can gather I don't think the OP outright asked Garrick for a replacement snake. I'm sure if he did he would receive one free of charge as the terms are stated. Garrick has always been great with me so I hate to see him put in a bad light just because all the facts aren't out there.

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Your answers aren't adding up. If you're upset that he's not making it right the way he should, and that you don't want to get a lawyer until your animals are here, why would you order more today.

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Have you even read my other posts..I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS ALREADY