Severe Neck Kink - Help?

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Originally Posted by KMG

Challenge Accepted

http://www.gcvs.com/page14/page14.html

So are you saying his actions are right, to wait til friday?

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No, heck no. I was trying to imply it looks like an emergency and to wait a week would be inhumane. Obviously it's not the same as seeing her in real life, but those pictures are disturbing.

I understand now Dwish, sorry. I think you can see how I could take your comment the way I did. I thought you were being sarcastic.

When I read his comment I thought it was strange that someone with no post would suddenly feel the urge to make a sarcastic comment. I now see how it was really meant.

I got my first INFRACTION! I'm so upset I can no longer live. Saying what I hope yall are thinking about this situation.

I'm going to play with snakes.

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Originally Posted by KMG

I understand now Dwish, sorry. I think you can see how I could take your comment the way I did. I thought you were being sarcastic.

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Am I the only one who doesn't see how you could take that comment as sarcastic? It's the internet, you can't express emotion and intention with plain text. Is it just cause it was his first post?

Its all good. All the cool kids have infractioms.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Am I the only one who doesn't see how you could take that comment as sarcastic? It's the internet, you can't express emotion and intention with plain text. Is it just cause it was his first post?

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KMG thought that Dwish's first post was directed towards him, but dwish was talking to the OP.
Read it like as if dwish was talking to KMG and you can see how he misuderstood it. It sounds like dwish was asking him to find an animal
Hospital, aka "challenging" him as KMG thought.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Am I the only one who doesn't see how you could take that comment as sarcastic? It's the internet, you can't express emotion and intention with plain text. Is it just cause it was his first post?

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YOU GOT ME!

I am always on the hunt for a first time poster so I can call them out. I didn't think I would ever get caught, way to go Sherlock Holmes. You have outed me! Now I must flee.

I do agree about the plain text thing. That's why post should be well thought out and hold enough detail to get your point across.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Its all good. All the cool kids have infractioms.

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I guess so :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

KMG thought that Dwish's first post was directed towards him, but dwish was talking to the OP.
Read it like as if dwish was talking to KMG and you can see how he misuderstood it. It sounds like dwish was asking him to find an animal
Hospital, aka "challenging" him as KMG thought.

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Thank you. I'm glad I'm not alone. Must be the cool kid thing.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

KMG thought that Dwish's first post was directed towards him, but dwish was talking to the OP.
Read it like as if dwish was talking to KMG and you can see how he misuderstood it. It sounds like dwish was asking him to find an animal
Hospital, aka "challenging" him as KMG thought.

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Makes a little more sense now. I guess I just don't read posts as a response to anyone but the OP unless they have a quote in them.

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Originally Posted by KMG

YOU GOT ME!

I am always on the hunt for a first time poster so I can call them out. I didn't think I would ever get caught, way to go Sherlock Holmes. You have outed me! Now I must flee.

I do agree about the plain text thing. That's why post should be well thought out and hold enough detail to get your point across.

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That isn't really what I meant...I'm not trying to get on you for pointing it out.
At first when you noted him for his frist post I thought you were giving him kudos for his first post being a good post. Maybe that is why I was confused.

I try to use smileys, bold, and italicized text to get my point across.

I to feel that the snake has a broken neck. very sad as this could of been prevented.

to all the new keepers that's breeding for the first time. keep this image in mind. if your hatchling needs to be assist feed. they are small and can be injured very easy. this is one of the reasons for waiting on assist feeding as one of the last resorts. sorry for changing the subject, but a picture is worth a thousand words. I assist feed many hatchlings, this picture makes me think about how easy you could injury a hatchling.

also I know that this wasn't done by someone assist feeding.

again I'm sad about this hatchling.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Makes a little more sense now. I guess I just don't read posts as a response to anyone but the OP unless they have a quote in them.

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That isn't really what I meant...I'm not trying to get on you for pointing it out.
At first when you noted him for his frist post I thought you were giving him kudos for his first post being a good post. Maybe that is why I was confused.

I try to use smileys, bold, and italicized text to get my point across.

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Is it me, or did we lose place here? Isnt this about a seriously injured animal? OP is 3 days old, been to vet yet? What did they say? If not, what are you waiting for. That animal must be evaluated immediately

I mean, had this happened to lets say.. a puppy/kitten and you posted you would have animal control at your house like no ones business for animal cruelty.

This is no different IMO and that poor thing needs to be taken to an e-vet or something, even if its not a herp vet they can xray and see whats going on and then possibly euth if its a break.

Poor snake, how many more days is it going to have to suffer?

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Originally Posted by AdamF

Is it me, or did we lose place here? Isnt this about a seriously injured animal? OP is 3 days old, been to vet yet? What did they say? If not, what are you waiting for. That animal must be evaluated immediately

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The OP says the first appointment they could get is this coming up Friday. That became a whole other issue here.

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Originally Posted by pookie!

I mean, had this happened to lets say.. a puppy/kitten and you posted you would have animal control at your house like no ones business for animal cruelty.

This is no different IMO and that poor thing needs to be taken to an e-vet or something, even if its not a herp vet they can xray and see whats going on and then possibly euth if its a break.

Poor snake, how many more days is it going to have to suffer?

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Hit the nail on the head! That's what makes me so mad about this.

You would never let your dog go a week with a leg in a zig zag pattern, or maybe they would. Here its the snakes NECK and its treated like it needs a check up.

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Originally Posted by KMG

You have been a member since April and this is what you decided should be your first post. Good call. :confuse:

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That's actually a very nice first post, I think. & what was the point in you pointing that out?

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Originally Posted by therunaway

That's actually a very nice first post, I think. & what was the point in you pointing that out?

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Jason read the whole thread bud. We already addressed that...
No need to rekindle the fire lol

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Originally Posted by KMG

The OP says the first appointment they could get is this coming up Friday. That became a whole other issue here.

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Hit the nail on the head! That's what makes me so mad about this.

You would never let your dog go a week with a leg in a zig zag pattern, or maybe they would. Here its the snakes NECK and its treated like it needs a check up.

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I mean, he is lucky people here arent like people on my dog forums because I can tell you he would have the Humane Society on his case real quick.
He is also lucky I am not a snitch because I would looooove to call him/her in, but I am not.

I wouldnt want someone calling me in on my dogs because in the end its mine/their property and their choice on what to do, but still.. common decency for the animals sake is all I think anyone is asking.

I get how the person is probably freaked out and they very well might not post again, but same with my dog people, when your passionate about the animals or breed or whatever, it shows. Even over the internet.
I have been there done that will lots of things regarding birds or my dog and have been reamed like no ones business, but as we say on the dog forum, your gonna own these dogs(or in this case snakes) you NEED to have a thick skin and take the information given and dont run off, the people here are like the people there and they only are getting upset and pissed off because they care and are passionate and want to get it through that this isnt something light, its a broken bone. Worse even, a broken neck.

I hope they do come back, I hope they see that its not an attack on them and its just mainly about the welfare of the animal and the fact that waiting days for a broken bone is never good and will usually result in the animal, who may have been salvageable in the first day, having to be put down.

There, thats me being all hippie and nice. Trying not to be a you know what like I would really like to be.

Also, lying and trying to flip flop a story online, especially on a forum will never work LOL

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Jason read the whole thread bud. We already addressed that...
No need to rekindle the fire lol

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Started a thread with people just like him in mind the other day....

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Jason read the whole thread bud. We already addressed that...
No need to rekindle the fire lol

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Sorry, I'm constantly doing that, I'm never realizing that there are past pages, and that they don't just leave off where I am. :oops:

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Originally Posted by mackynz

Started a thread with people just like him in mind the other day....

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Link to this thread, badass?

pookie for president

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Originally Posted by BallsUnlimited

pookie for president

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Ill be whatever you want me to be http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.png

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Originally Posted by pookie!

ill be whatever you want me to be http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.png

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:d ;)

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Originally Posted by therunaway

Sorry, I'm constantly doing that, I'm never realizing that there are past pages, and that they don't just leave off where I am. :oops:

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Link to this thread, badass?

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Well of course.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...oo-much-to-ask

Make sure to post in it without actually reading it.

Like you did here: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...24#post1857824
As reptiliachnids pointed out.


The best part was that you said you weren't trying to start something, then tried to start something.

Oh, and if you would like me to link your past 4 or so posts where you have done exactly as you did above I would be more than glad to :)

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Originally Posted by chet1028

This thread really makes me sad.

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Agreed


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I am most certainly not gone, I've merely been busy with Hadassah (The BP)

It would have been appreciated if you all would have asked me about things before badgering me and saying some of the things you did. When a person's first post on a forum is a request for help and they get an answer like this, it isn't a very good welcome.

'On the way home' was referring to 'On the way out of the show'. I bought Hadassah when I was leaving.

I did not notice the injury until I got her home to put her in her tank, when I confronted Brandon about the issue. Yes, I agree he handled her wrongly.

However, before you all yell at me some more, you should know that I got her into the vets early. Her spine is not broken, nor are any of the bones fractured or out of place. The kink was caused by a pulled muscle, and it was determined that it was not giving her any pain. She is now well (Kink fixed) and ate fine today. She will be able to be bred.

@Kaorte: Thank you for not judging by what you saw, and for taking into consideration how I may be feeling.

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Originally Posted by asingleterry

I am most certainly not gone, I've merely been busy with Hadassah (The BP)

It would have been appreciated if you all would have asked me about things before badgering me and saying some of the things you did. When a person's first post on a forum is a request for help and they get an answer like this, it isn't a very good welcome.

'On the way home' was referring to 'On the way out of the show'. I bought Hadassah when I was leaving.

I did not notice the injury until I got her home to put her in her tank, when I confronted Brandon about the issue. Yes, I agree he handled her wrongly.

However, before you all yell at me some more, you should know that I got her into the vets early. Her spine is not broken, nor are any of the bones fractured or out of place. The kink was caused by a pulled muscle, and it was determined that it was not giving her any pain. She is now well (Kink fixed) and ate fine today. She will be able to be bred.

@Kaorte: Thank you for not judging by what you saw, and for taking into consideration how I may be feeling.

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Ive never posted in this thread, but I did follow it and im glad it all worked out! Nothing like hearing a baby pull through. But I gotta say it...pics or it didnt happen. Let us see this little gem kinkless!

That is great news! Did it correct itself or did the vet do something to fix it?

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Originally Posted by interloc

Ive never posted in this thread, but I did follow it and im glad it all worked out! Nothing like hearing a baby pull through. But I gotta say it...pics or it didnt happen. Let us see this little gem kinkless!

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Thats what I am saying.

Did the vet say what could have caused it?

As soon as I can get to my camera pictures will be uploaded ^^
The vet stated that when Brandon gripped her via her neck, he strained and pinched a muscle. That combined with the stress of moving is said to have caused the issue.

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Originally Posted by asingleterry

As soon as I can get to my camera pictures will be uploaded ^^
The vet stated that when Brandon gripped her via her neck, he strained and pinched a muscle. That combined with the stress of moving is said to have caused the issue.

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Possible, I guess lol I know nothing on snake muscles but it seems like it could have been a Charley horse typed thing *shrugs*


Do snakes get muscle spasms when they get dehydrated? Like how people do?

I read this whole thread (yes, every post) and the defense of the people on this forum, we get very emotional when we see an animal in distress. It brings out protective instincts in us that, no matter what harsh words or assumptions we make, at the end of the day all we want to see is the animal taken care of to the best of the owner's ability. It's hard to see anyone's pet in pain or in a situation like yours, and I'm glad it all worked out.

To everyone here, shame! You can't assume anything through text. The OP could've been crying their eyes out as they wrote this, desperate for some reassurance that their baby will pull through. You never know what an owner is thinking, but by just posting on here shows that they knew something was wrong and came to what I think is the best resource on the internet (even for non-reptile problems!). We need to live up to that reputation and have a little less pointing fingers and a little more informing and helping. Yes, getting that snake to a vet ASAP is what needed to happen, but look, that's what they did!! Assuming makes an "a$$" out of "u" and "me"!


To OP, I am so glad your baby will be okay! All I would say is to have a talk with your brother and remind him that Ball Pythons (especially babies) are extremely delicate. If he's only had experience with hots he might have a too-rough approach and should tone it down. The instinct to stop a strike if he's a hot handler might be a no-thought reflex, so some caution might need to be exercised when he's around your little ones.

Yeah I was tagged twice by my bel just the other day,and it didn't even break skin. He got me good too lol, but they really are babies

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

I read this whole thread (yes, every post) and the defense of the people on this forum, we get very emotional when we see an animal in distress. It brings out protective instincts in us that, no matter what harsh words or assumptions we make, at the end of the day all we want to see is the animal taken care of to the best of the owner's ability. It's hard to see anyone's pet in pain or in a situation like yours, and I'm glad it all worked out.

To everyone here, shame! You can't assume anything through text. The OP could've been crying their eyes out as they wrote this, desperate for some reassurance that their baby will pull through. You never know what an owner is thinking, but by just posting on here shows that they knew something was wrong and came to what I think is the best resource on the internet (even for non-reptile problems!). We need to live up to that reputation and have a little less pointing fingers and a little more informing and helping. Yes, getting that snake to a vet ASAP is what needed to happen, but look, that's what they did!! Assuming makes an "a$$" out of "u" and "me"!

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I think you might be joining the infraction club for your dollar signs. If so, :welcome:

I am glad that the vet got moved up and all turned out well. The fact still remains that the vet was NOT visited soon enough. When you ask for help and you get the same answer from everyone, how many times does it take before you do it? Really upset me, but yall prob figured that out. ;)

On another good note a certain person gave me two red reputation tags for different post on this thread. I thank you. Your :number1:

Wait, Red? That cant be good! CHECKING.......NOPE, NOT GOOD! So much for the friend request. They prob did it just cause I from Texas and drive a truck instead of a Hy-Bred, and thats against the rules. Thanks buddy. :tears:

I do believe they may need to change their name. Maybe something like Soft-One, if its not taken.

I do admit that my camouflaged word didn't have to be there. But its since been removed by Big Brother and I doubt most of yall saw it. So getting tagged with red for expressing my, yes angry, but passion filled opinion kinda bothers me. I realize that we have rules here but other than my one word, which this person didnt see, I fell within them. Thats why the post was still there to be read. My intent was not to hurt the persons feelings but show that this was a serious matter that I didnt feel they were handling correctly. I hope in the future they take the forum advice more serious.

However,

This is still America and if I have something to say, you can bet I will say it. Yes, I would even say it to their face(see past post). I am a very opinionated person and I dont back down from my values or beliefs. Plus, nice didnt seem to be working so you have to turn it up sometimes. I find it hard to believe that a single person on here has not been yelled at sometime during their life. If I hurt your feelings with some yelling text(the only way to really show feeling in these post) you should just avoid my post. That way your feelers dont get hurt, and you can save some tissues. :salute:

Im a nice guy but can not stand when an animal is not properly cared for. It really gets my hot. :angered: Sorry for being human.

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Originally Posted by KMG

I think you might be joining the infraction club for your dollar signs. If so, :welcome:

I am glad that the vet got moved up and all turned out well. The fact still remains that the vet was NOT visited soon enough. When you ask for help and you get the same answer from everyone, how many times does it take before you do it? Really upset me, but yall prob figured that out. ;)

On another good note a certain person gave me two red reputation tags for different post on this thread. I thank you. Your :number1:

Wait, Red? That cant be good! CHECKING.......NOPE, NOT GOOD! So much for the friend request. They prob did it just cause I from Texas and drive a truck instead of a Hy-Bred, and thats against the rules. Thanks buddy. :tears:

I do believe they may need to change their name. Maybe something like Soft-One, if its not taken.

I do admit that my camouflaged word didn't have to be there. But its since been removed by Big Brother and I doubt most of yall saw it. So getting tagged with red for expressing my, yes angry, but passion filled opinion kinda bothers me. I realize that we have rules here but other than my one word, which this person didnt see, I fell within them. Thats why the post was still there to be read. My intent was not to hurt the persons feelings but show that this was a serious matter that I didnt feel they were handling correctly. I hope in the future they take the forum advice more serious.

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This is still America and if I have something to say, you can bet I will say it. Yes, I would even say it to their face(see past post). I am a very opinionated person and I dont back down from my values or beliefs. Plus, nice didnt seem to be working so you have to turn it up sometimes. I find it hard to believe that a single person on here has not been yelled at sometime during their life. If I hurt your feelings with some yelling text(the only way to really show feeling in these post) you should just avoid my post. That way your feelers dont get hurt, and you can save some tissues. :salute:

Im a nice guy but can not stand when an animal is not properly cared for. It really gets my hot. :angered: Sorry for being human.

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Two things.

1. Ass is not a censored word. The context in which you use it could be cause for an infraction (as in, you may not call someone an ass).

2. You did not get an infraction - you received a WARNING, reminding you of the TOS that you agreed to when you joined the forum.

As far as the Big Brother comment - yes, if you draw attention to yourself by chest thumping yourself, critiquing staff because you think it wins you cool points, etc - yeah - that will definitely put you on Big Brother's radar.

You certainly are making a big to do about a simple ZERO point warning. If you want to really be part of the cool infraction club - you could continue taking pot shots at the staff and the site and get a really BIG infraction! :gj:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Two things.

1. Ass is not a censored word. The context in which you use it could be cause for an infraction (as in, you may not call someone an ass).

2. You did not get an infraction - you received a WARNING, reminding you of the TOS that you agreed to when you joined the forum.

As far as the Big Brother comment - yes, if you draw attention to yourself by chest thumping yourself, critiquing staff because you think it wins you cool points, etc - yeah - that will definitely put you on Big Brother's radar.

You certainly are making a big to do about a simple ZERO point warning. If you want to really be part of the cool infraction club - you could continue taking pot shots at the staff and the site and get a really BIG infraction! :gj:

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Ok, so ass is not banned except in certain usage.

Not an infraction, a warning. What does a infraction hold for punishment? I looked on the forum but couldnt seem to find the punishments.

I was not critiquing the staff, I admitted that I should not have used the word I did.
The Big Brother comment was not to call out the staff or do "chest thumping." I just stated what happened without using your name or handle. Not trying to anger yall. Just presenting the facts that this other member is flagging me for my freedon of speech, you had removed the word before he saw my post and therefor I felt the red flags were unwarranted.

The reference to red tags was not about the warning or you. I was refering to the flaging member that hit me with two red reputation flags on my PM. One for two serperate comments on this thread.

Again I was not talking about you and agree I messed up. I was trying to let the flaging member know that I did not agree with his choice without breaking any other rules thats why I left his handle and yours out of the post. Not trying to step on toes, just trying to work within the rules. I have no problem with the staff, you were doing your job. Not mad at you.

so glad to hear that she is OK.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Ok, so ass is not banned except in certain usage.

Not an infraction, a warning. What does a infraction hold for punishment? I looked on the forum but couldnt seem to find the punishments.

I was not critiquing the staff, I admitted that I should not have used the word I did.
The Big Brother comment was not to call out the staff or do "chest thumping." I just stated what happened without using your name or handle. Not trying to anger yall. Just presenting the facts that this other member is flagging me for my freedon of speech, you had removed the word before he saw my post and therefor I felt the red flags were unwarranted.

The reference to red tags was not about the warning or you. I was refering to the flaging member that hit me with two red reputation flags on my PM. One for two serperate comments on this thread.

Again I was not talking about you and agree I messed up. I was trying to let the flaging member know that I did not agree with his choice without breaking any other rules thats why I left his handle and yours out of the post. Not trying to step on toes, just trying to work within the rules. I have no problem with the staff, you were doing your job. Not mad at you.

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I actually was not the one who gave you the warning.

Comments about reputation that other members may have left you are only allowed to be discussed in a thread in Quarantine. If you do not have access to Quarantine, please send me a PM requesting access and I'll get you set up. Here's the link, once you have access:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ion-Discussion

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If any member feels compelled to make a public statement about any reputation comment they have recieved, it must be made in this thread. Any such statements made in other threads, or new threads started for that purpose will be deleted without warning or notice. This sort of public statement does NOT mean your complaint will recieve any staff attention. If you have a genuine concern about a rep comment you have recieved, you must address it in private with the staff.

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Keep in mind that reputation left for you is a way for your peers (not staff) to let you know that they agree with your comments or that they don't. It's a good barometer check to let you know how your messages are being received.

Here is the link that explains infractions and the penalties - up to temp and permanent bans from the site.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/annou....php?f=89&a=15

And here is a link to the Site Rules and TOS:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/annou...t.php?f=89&a=9

Glad to hear she is better. From looking at that picture, it didn't look good. Please post pictures so we can see her now!

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Can we see and read some more detail about how this was resolved? The doctor told you it was a muscle spasm? If a muscle spasm caused the snake to hold in that position, it was in pain. The fact that you said the doctor assured you it wasn't makes me question the whole thing. My sister - who admitted she can't be 100% sure based merely on what you posted here and those 3 pictures, also thinks something is off with 'welp, took it to the vet and the fixed it and its fine and eating now.' You also mention in the OP that you palpated the area. What was the snake's reaction to that? Was it holding its neck like that the whole time or on and off? How did the rear part of its body move? Did it lift its head off the ground to move or kind of 'drag it along?'

I'm also curious to see the resolved picture of this issue. Considering the fact it looked broken, I'm almost in disbelief that it could be so easily fixed. That's an awesome answer, considering how dire it looked.

If you could tell us more about the resolution to the problem, and how your vet went about it, that would be awesome! Imagine if this happened to someone else. This would be great information to be able to provide them :gj:

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Originally Posted by asingleterry

I am most certainly not gone, I've merely been busy with Hadassah (The BP)

It would have been appreciated if you all would have asked me about things before badgering me and saying some of the things you did. When a person's first post on a forum is a request for help and they get an answer like this, it isn't a very good welcome.

'On the way home' was referring to 'On the way out of the show'. I bought Hadassah when I was leaving.

I did not notice the injury until I got her home to put her in her tank, when I confronted Brandon about the issue. Yes, I agree he handled her wrongly.

However, before you all yell at me some more, you should know that I got her into the vets early. Her spine is not broken, nor are any of the bones fractured or out of place. The kink was caused by a pulled muscle, and it was determined that it was not giving her any pain. She is now well (Kink fixed) and ate fine today. She will be able to be bred.

@Kaorte: Thank you for not judging by what you saw, and for taking into consideration how I may be feeling.

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You are most welcome :) I am just really glad that the little one is okay. It would break my heart if she had to be put down!

I'm also really glad you posted an update despite all the negative comments. I know you would do the best you could and get to a vet as fast as you could. I'm sure you care just as much about your animals as all of us. Just because you don't put every detail on the forum doesn't mean you aren't doing the best for your animal!

There was a lot of jumping to conclusions on this thread, I hope some people can realize that isn't always the best option. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally Posted by KMG

I think you might be joining the infraction club for your dollar signs. If so, :welcome:

I am glad that the vet got moved up and all turned out well. The fact still remains that the vet was NOT visited soon enough. When you ask for help and you get the same answer from everyone, how many times does it take before you do it? Really upset me, but yall prob figured that out. ;)

On another good note a certain person gave me two red reputation tags for different post on this thread. I thank you. Your :number1:

Wait, Red? That cant be good! CHECKING.......NOPE, NOT GOOD! So much for the friend request. They prob did it just cause I from Texas and drive a truck instead of a Hy-Bred, and thats against the rules. Thanks buddy. :tears:

I do believe they may need to change their name. Maybe something like Soft-One, if its not taken.

I do admit that my camouflaged word didn't have to be there. But its since been removed by Big Brother and I doubt most of yall saw it. So getting tagged with red for expressing my, yes angry, but passion filled opinion kinda bothers me. I realize that we have rules here but other than my one word, which this person didnt see, I fell within them. Thats why the post was still there to be read. My intent was not to hurt the persons feelings but show that this was a serious matter that I didnt feel they were handling correctly. I hope in the future they take the forum advice more serious.

However,

This is still America and if I have something to say, you can bet I will say it. Yes, I would even say it to their face(see past post). I am a very opinionated person and I dont back down from my values or beliefs. Plus, nice didnt seem to be working so you have to turn it up sometimes. I find it hard to believe that a single person on here has not been yelled at sometime during their life. If I hurt your feelings with some yelling text(the only way to really show feeling in these post) you should just avoid my post. That way your feelers dont get hurt, and you can save some tissues. :salute:

Im a nice guy but can not stand when an animal is not properly cared for. It really gets my hot. :angered: Sorry for being human.

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My feelings are in no way hurt. While I do believe in "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar", I didn't disagree with everyone: that snake should've been taken to an emergency vet as soon as the kink was found. At least taken in next day. But the person needs to be educated about where they can go, because they might not know any emergency vets around. I am SO selective where I take my snakes now, after the first "herp" vet I took my BP to told me 3 times that she had an RI and prescribed 3 times the same meds, even with no improvement from my snake. Finally found a reputable place and they took her back, did some swaths of her mouth and ran some diagnostics (something the other vet never even offered) and lo and behold, it was a fungal infection. She's still on the rocks months later, because I'm sure that not getting it treated in time spread to other issues. It's a hard (and expensive) road.

Basically, when dealing with a story off the internet, I find it's best to ask questions (a LOT of questions) and make sure all your bases are covered and your questions answered before giving my 2 cents. It saves conversations like these. :)



Just letting you know, I don't believe your advice was wrong. I think the way you wrote came off as more hostile than needed. The truth does hurt, but because of that we as the people this person came for for advice need to be able to deliver the truth in as good a way as possible. I know that's what I would hope for if I was in the OP's shoes. :snake:

still waiting for pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:taz:<...that guy is cool lol

I too am anxious to see update pic of this little snake I for no other reason than to get the original horrifying images out of my brain.

I was horrified when I saw the pictures and felt real relief when the OP stated the vet had sorted it. But....

... in the original image there is no tension of the skin between the peaks of the bends.
I.e
http://img.tapatalk.com/5606c025-5abc-d07a.jpg
If it had been muscles causing a kink of that extreme then the skin would follow lines of muscle tension like this.
http://img.tapatalk.com/5606c025-5b0f-2f09.jpg

The fact that overlaying skin is adhered to muscle tissue and in proportion to normal structure indicates that, as there is no distortion to muscle or skin structure or placement, the problem is skeletal.

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The fact that overlaying skin is adhered to muscle tissue and in proportion to normal structure indicates that, as there is no distortion to muscle or skin structure or placement, the problem is skeletal.

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But in turn the muscle has to adhere to the bone. I am no expert on BP muscle structure and won't claim to be, but at some point the muscle needs to connect to the bone. That would allow the muscle to move the bone into a position like that.

I hope it isn't skeletal, and I also hope the OP doesn't mysteriously disappear without posting pictures.

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But in turn the muscle has to adhere to the bone. I am no expert on BP muscle structure and won't claim to be, but at some point the muscle needs to connect to the bone. That would allow the muscle to move the bone into a position like that.

I hope it isn't skeletal, and I also hope the OP doesn't mysteriously disappear without posting pictures.

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No expert here either just wondering it would, I guess appear like cramp with us and how the muscles go tense and protrude a little, looking at the angle of the kink I would expect some muscle to show tension, there is none.
I am hoping too that we all get to see the same snake all better.

I'm very interested to see pictures of it all fixed as well..


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On another good note a certain person gave me two red reputation tags for different post on this thread. I thank you. Your :number1:

Wait, Red? That cant be good! CHECKING.......NOPE, NOT GOOD! So much for the friend request. They prob did it just cause I from Texas and drive a truck instead of a Hy-Bred, and thats against the rules. Thanks buddy. :tears:

I do believe they may need to change their name. Maybe something like Soft-One, if its not taken.

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I gave you bad rep because I felt the name calling and attacks were unnecessary, although I can understand why you wrote what you did. I'm also very upset to see that poor baby ball so severely injured. I'll believe it's better when I see current pics.

Anyways, I didn't mean anything personal by it.

And for the record, my forum name is a play on my initials, not because I believe I'm awesomely cool lol

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I read this whole thread (yes, every post) and the defense of the people on this forum, we get very emotional when we see an animal in distress. It brings out protective instincts in us that, no matter what harsh words or assumptions we make, at the end of the day all we want to see is the animal taken care of to the best of the owner's ability. It's hard to see anyone's pet in pain or in a situation like yours, and I'm glad it all worked out.

To everyone here, shame! You can't assume anything through text. The OP could've been crying their eyes out as they wrote this, desperate for some reassurance that their baby will pull through. You never know what an owner is thinking, but by just posting on here shows that they knew something was wrong and came to what I think is the best resource on the internet (even for non-reptile problems!). We need to live up to that reputation and have a little less pointing fingers and a little more informing and helping. Yes, getting that snake to a vet ASAP is what needed to happen, but look, that's what they did!! Assuming makes an "a$$" out of "u" and "me"!


To OP, I am so glad your baby will be okay! All I would say is to have a talk with your brother and remind him that Ball Pythons (especially babies) are extremely delicate. If he's only had experience with hots he might have a too-rough approach and should tone it down. The instinct to stop a strike if he's a hot handler might be a no-thought reflex, so some caution might need to be exercised when he's around your little ones.

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OK this is very easy to write AFTER you see the results. The bottom line is, we cannot assume the OP was crying/laughing or showing no emotion at all. All we had were the facts: A pic of what appeared to be badly injured animal, an owner to admitted to "poor handling", and letting the snake be held in someone hands while in transit, and what appeared to be a long time to get vet appt for emergency.

Given those facts (not emotions), we cannot try to figure out the OP's mood/feelings, so we responded accordingly. Whether they were sad or not, is not the point. The FACT is the animal needed immediate attention. I am sure the vociferousness of our responses, inspired the OP to insist on an earlier vet appointment. In that sense, BP Net truly served its purpose. An animal was helped, and the OP did the the right thing. Let's get over this "hurt feelings" crap, and be thankful this situation was handled quickly.

BTW, you also cannot know the mood of those of us who responded! Are we not entitled to be angry or upset?

WOW! Just spent the past 30 mins reading this @ work. Those pics literally make me cringe. I hope the snake truly is better. Waiting on those pics...