Beware of Casey Lauren Byiers (Rhasputin/EVLV/Eccentric Evolution)

When do you want to come get the mouse?

Please contact me directly.

Good start, but perhaps you should be a tad more accommodating and see if you can't get the mouse to her.

Try to maintain some dignity. You made a mistake. Now make it right.

I have no way of getting the mouse to her.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

When do you want to come get the mouse?

Please contact me directly.

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Casey, with all due respect to your wanting to work things out privately, I have read dozens of threads on bad transactions and believe, for the most part, that once things go south, they are better left played out in a forum setting...to avoid miscommunication, minced words, and things of that sort.

You need to find away. You found your way to the airport to get the mouse, now you need to find a way to make this right. They have already come to you once. Now, you need to make it easy for them.

Understandable, RobNJ.

Don, there is no way for me to get it to her.

Sorry Casey, I don't buy it. Borrow some money from your parents. Ask to borrow their car, if yours won't make the trip. Explain the seriousness of this situation to your friends or room mates. Ask them for help. You aren't looking for solutions.

You may need to take a day off work. You may have to borrow money. You may have to swallow your pride and beg for help, but it is your responsibility to return the property (mouse) to its owner. They have already made a trip to you once and you did not do the right thing. Now, you have a chance to do the right thing. Please do it!

If someone in the area is making a trip south, then I can give them the mouse.

Otherwise, there is nothing that I can do for at least another week.


Please wait until Stina has responded, before getting to in-depth with the discussion of 'how'. I believe she has family in the near-by area, so perhaps I could take them the mouse.

Car rentals are not terribly expensive. If you cannot drive:

https://www.greyhound.com/ticketcenter/en/Step3.asp

There's 4 seperate greyhound buses going to Allentown from Richmond each day. You could easily go there and back in one day. Do the right thing.

I have exactly $0 to my name. None of those things are options.

How far south? Where does it need to be delivered?

The mouse needs to go from Rochester NY to Allentown PA.

I could make the trip in a week, or so. But that doesn't solve the problem, because I think time is of the essence.

I was willing to help, but I see you are no longer in Mechanicsville, as your profile states. So, there isn't much I can do. There are options Casey, you're just not trying very hard to find them.

Thank you for your offer of help. I recently moved, and just have not changed my location on my profile yet.

I am open to suggestions, as far as options go. As of now, the only one I see is to wait about a week, and I can make the trip. This, to me, solves the problem, but I believe Stina will be less thrilled with a weeks wait, so I am open to other ideas. Anything involving money, would need to wait.

EDIT: Though we still have not heard from Stina, and it is possible that the trip would be no problem for her, we don't know. And there's also her family, or friends, who I believe are in the area, who may be able to help.

I may be able to receive payment early for taxidermy work I am doing. I will see what I can do.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

The mouse needs to go from Rochester NY to Allentown PA.

I could make the trip in a week, or so. But that doesn't solve the problem, because I think time is of the essence.

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So time is of the essence NOW? You should have never taken what was not your's, if you cared so much for making thing's right you would have returned the Mouse when they went to your home.

Funny how they had to let everyone in both industry's know what was going on to get their property back. Well that's if they do get it back.

When the mouse was taken, it was understood that it was mine. It was not taken maliciously. There was a list at the airport, which each mouse was check from, and I received what we thought I was supposed to receive.

There was a hang-up somewhere in the organization, and this is the fallout.

I do person to person business with over a hundred customers every week. With these dealings, I have learned to read people very well based off of their body language or certain words and/or phrases a they will use. Now, what I can tell you from Rhasputin's responses is, this is a person that I would NEVER trust and would avoid business transactions at all costs.

I firmly believe there are always two sides to every story, so how things played out exactly may be shades of grey compared to what is written here. But, when a grave "misunderstanding" or mistake happens in business, it's followed by a long winded apology and every necessary step is taken to make it right.

In my opinion, "stuff" happens in business. It's not an if, it's a when. It's how you handle yourself when a problem occurs that tells the true story of the type business man/woman you really are. With that being said, Rhasputin's response to the situation is why I state this is a person I would NEVER trust or do business with.

I was pretty stupid, and made some bad decisions when I was young. Sence then, I have learned from my mistakes, and from those mistakes I feel like I make much better decisions now.
At some point, EVERYBODY has done something stupid or things that they regret. You cant change the past, but the past can influence decisions in the future.. Trust and respect can be earned.
jason

Casey, I think it would be appropriate for you to give a long winded version of your side of the story, and a public apology is definitely in order. It's a little sad that it had to get this bad to get your attention. The fact that your first response wasn't an apology and explanation but rather a very short demand for the conversation between you and the OP to go private is a little disturbing. I sincerely hope that any future dealings you may have with the OP are civil because you must keep in mind that you are under some pretty heavy scrutiny at this time.

Anyway, looking forward to your side Casey, and an apology for Stina.

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

I was pretty stupid, and made some bad decisions when I was young. Sence then, I have learned from my mistakes, and from those mistakes I feel like I make much better decisions now.
At some point, EVERYBODY has done something stupid or things that they regret. You cant change the past, but the past can influence decisions in the future.. Trust and respect can be earned.
jason

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This is absolutely true. But, I would argue that although trust and respect can be earned, it can't always be regained.

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Originally Posted by dart

This is absolutely true. But, I would argue that although trust and respect can be earned, it can't always be regained.

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You have to actually put some effort into it, too. It doesn't just come flooding back at the absence of more bad behavior.

Wow a lot happened while I was sleeping... I absolutely do not have time to go to rochester in the near future (besides that I've already paid for gas once to go up that way)...and my family want nothing to do with it and I'm not going to ask it of them. I can wait a little while...I'm a reasonable person.

You shouldn't have to go make that trip again. You did once. She refused to right the situation then which would have been much much better. Rhas- I understand that you may not have alot at the moment but you clearly need to do whatever is necessary at this point to resolve the situation. Borrow, beg to borrow. Anything....
Misunderstanding can happen and lord I know I've had my share. But when they happen I go ABOVE and BEYOND to right the situation no matter what. Nothing would come before correcting the situation.
I am fairly glad to see this coming to an end though.


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It is not at an end until Stina has a healthy mouse (the correct one) in hand.

I'm thinking this is a stall. From my understanding many of the does were gravid. I'm thinking ol caseygirl there is thinking no one has thought of that and if she just holds out long enough she can get a litter and foster the babies THEN give the mouse to the rightful owner.

That sound about right casey?

Put an ad on Craigslist looking for someone going where you need the mouse to go and pay them to do what YOU should have done to begin with.

All the rest of everything you've said is a load of crap. Can't?? My lily white perfectly formed massively muscular buttcheeks, you can't. Don't WANT to is more like it, neh?

Get the girl her mouse, now. Then stop and think about all the people who are saying some really uncool things about you. If they're true, and they certainly seem to be, you're kind of a cruddy person. You might want to work on that.

But before you do, get that mouse to Christina.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

It is not at an end until Stina has a healthy mouse (the correct one) in hand.

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x2. At this point she could still be blowing smokes up our asses.
Also i agree with WarriorPrincess and believe that Casey needs to give a public apology.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Also i agree with WarriorPrincess and believe that Casey needs to give a public apology.

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I don't agree on this one. I don't think it needs to be public for it to be sincere. Now if she has any desire to repair her reputation and not just slink away into the ooze, the a public apology would be a good start. But if it's just this one thing that needs to be made good for her to go on, then it's not necessary that it be done here.

I'm not sure she's got the stones to admit to it and apologize to it in public.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I don't agree on this one. I don't think it needs to be public for it to be sincere. Now if she has any desire to repair her reputation and not just slink away into the ooze, the a public apology would be a good start. But if it's just this one thing that needs to be made good for her to go on, then it's not necessary that it be done here.

I'm not sure she's got the stones to admit to it and apologize to it in public.

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I had her reputation in mind when I suggested it, but I still believe that in a situation that has gotten this public to begin with, a public apology would be a good start. Someone who can admit they're wrong and apologize for it in public has a better chance of salvaging what little remains of their reputation...maybe. Plus, I think after what Stina has had to go through, she deserves it.

Certainly a private apology can be sincere...hopefully more sincere...and Stina should get one of those upon delivery of the mouse as well.

That's just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by WarriorPrincess90

I had her reputation in mind when I suggested it, but I still believe that in a situation that has gotten this public to begin with, a public apology would be a good start. Someone who can admit they're wrong and apologize for it in public has a better chance of salvaging what little remains of their reputation...maybe. Plus, I think after what Stina has had to go through, she deserves it.

Certainly a private apology can be sincere...hopefully more sincere...and Stina should get one of those upon delivery of the mouse as well.

That's just my two cents.

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x2 i was thinking along the lines of her rep in the herp/rodent community as well. As i said in my first post in this thread, up until this point ive found Rhasputins comments to always be helpful and informative. People have asked questions in the rodent sections before and im pretty sure i have even suggested PMing her if she doesnt comment on the post. Seems like a nice girl that has just made some poor choices. A public apology to stina would really help her reputation imo.

I've always found Rhasputin to be a very helpful person... I'm surprised to find that she's had so many bad dealings and now a theft.

I would hope that she can turn things around and go the 'straight and narrow' to regain her reputation. It just takes effort on her part.

To the OP I hope you get your mouse. Sounds like it's invaluable as far as it's genetics and of course all the hassle to get them shipped also.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I'm thinking this is a stall. From my understanding many of the does were gravid. I'm thinking ol caseygirl there is thinking no one has thought of that and if she just holds out long enough she can get a litter and foster the babies THEN give the mouse to the rightful owner.

That sound about right casey?

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This thought had crossed my mind. Especially in light of the fact that the animal was not returned to the owner when she showed up in person, and risked running afoul of the law when she refused to return the animal in the presence of law enforcement.

That's a lot of risk to run, just to turn around and NOW say she's willing to return the animal....just not right away.

If you didn’t see the light when the rightful owner and the law showed up at your house, why do you see the light now?

What's the gestation period of a mouse?

Casey, you do know that if you show up with any of these mice in the future, your gig is completely up? Please tell me you've given that some thought?

Casey, more of my life has been lived, than I have yet to go. I've been a few places and seen a few things. The true character of a person is shown by the actions they take after they've done something wrong....it says more about who you really are than how you act when things are going right.

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What's the gestation period of a mouse?

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21 days :gj:

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Originally Posted by Slim

Casey, more of my life has been lived, than I have yet to go. I've been a few places and seen a few things. The true character of a person is shown by the actions they take after they've done something wrong....it says more about who you really are than how you act when things are going right.

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This^^^^ Is the best quote I've seen in a loooong time.




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Casey, you are behaving like a politician, with half-answers and sort-of apologies. Find a way to get the mouse you stole back to Christina, and do it now. No more excuses or stalling, please. You stole and lied, and now it's time for you to man up and correct that. It's that simple.

The longer you take and the more excuses you give, the more you suffer and the more your mouse organization suffers (you're the President, for Pete's sake).

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Originally Posted by Slim

The true character of a person is shown by the actions they take after they've done something wrong....it says more about who you really are than how you act when things are going right.

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I agree with and fully endorse this sentiment. When I was young I did something really stupid. I only did it once, but I felt guilty and got caught (as I should have). I immediately paid my restitutions (so to speak) and apologized, full-stop. No excuses. I remember that it was very humbling, but in retrospect I learned a hell of a lot that I can still apply to my life today.

There's a lot of value in saying, "I did something wrong. I'm sorry. What can I do to make it right?" and then doing that.

Unbelievable!!

A few questions..

1. Did anyone else show up at the airport to claim their mice?

2. Was it pre-arranged for Casey to claim her mice at the airport?

3. Was there a pre-arranged place to meet for everyone to claim there mice?

4. Were those involved in the group buy to show proof of what they had purchased?

I usually don't comment on these types of threads, but Casey this was no mistake or confusion. You had every intent to defraud not only Stint, but the entire group! This is quite clear by your actions of showing up at the airport.

By the way...how did you manage to get to the airport? You seem to be having such great difficulty in getting the mouse to it's rightful owner, but had none getting to the airport to claim your mice, err one of you're mice and some else's mouse.

I agree with the possibilty of a litter being scammed here and hence the delay for returning the rightful owners property.

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Originally Posted by GHOST_584

Unbelievable!!

A few questions..

1. Did anyone else show up at the airport to claim their mice?

2. Was it pre-arranged for Casey to claim her mice at the airport?

3. Was there a pre-arranged place to meet for everyone to claim there mice?

4. Were those involved in the group buy to show proof of what they had purchased?

I usually don't comment on these types of threads, but Casey this was no mistake or confusion. You had every intent to defraud not only Stint, but the entire group! This is quite clear by your actions of showing up at the airport.

By the way...how did you manage to get to the airport? You seem to be having such great difficulty in getting the mouse to it's rightful owner, but had none getting to the airport to claim your mice, err one of you're mice and some else's mouse.

I agree with the possibilty of a litter being scammed here and hence the delay for returning the rightful owners property.

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Instead of asking questions read through the whole thread first lol

1. Yes, there were several people at the airport to get mice

2. Yes, it was known casey was picking up her mice at the airport

3. The only people that were supposed to be in the terminal with the mice were the organizer and the person she arrived with (Tara)...but because of the delay in the animals being released from the airline, I think everyone ended up inside sorting them at the same time

4. I don't believe they did....the organizer had a list...but I guess in all the confusion, stress, excitement, sleepiness, etc the genders of aby's were just mixed up. But everything was confirmed ahead of time and everyone should have known what they were supposed to be getting (I know I had confirmed on multiple occasions that I was supposed to get 2 females and 1 male aby...and I have posted the screen shot were the organizer confirmed with casey that she was getting only male abys)


If the doe does happen to have a litter in casey's possession, I expect to recieve the doe along with her entire litter. It is risky to move a doe with a litter....but in this situation I would take that risk.

FYI...read all nine pages!!!

With the exception of question #2 don't recall seeing the other questions referenced. Please enlighten me if they were. lol.

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If the doe does happen to have a litter in casey's possession, I expect to recieve the doe along with her entire litter. It is risky to move a doe with a litter....but in this situation I would take that risk.

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I don't blame you there. I'd take the risk, too!

How much is shipping a mouse? It seems like a nominal cost, you could easily get even a couple hundred going to the pawn shop with a couple of things. Even if shipping is 50 it wouldn't really be a problem. I agree about the litter thing. Stop stalling and find some way to get the mouse back!

Shipping a mouse IS pricy. You must have a approved container, and ship via Delta Dash, like you would shipping a puppy... with vet records and all that fun.

I think that there should be a way to get it to her, since getting to the airport to get the mouse happened. There is previous history that she said she didn't have money to pay for the mice at the airport until it was evident that she couldn't TAKE the mice without paying, then she suddenly did have the money.

I'd suggest finding a way to get the mouse to the OP. There's only one person sitting with stolen property and using a excuse of "I'm broke" isn't good to explain why you're not returning the property.

Shipping mice in the US costs about $200. The drive between Casey and myself is about 6 hours.

Stina, have you had any conversations with Casey since her responding to this post?

Nothing outside of the forums. She has only replied here and on the taxidermy site.

The last time I added it up (in 2010), it cost $380 to ship a mouse from Kentucky to California, including the cost of the shipping crate and gas money to the airport (I lived about 45 minutes away at that point), and you could only do it for a few weeks at two points in the year (end of March-beginning of May, and September-October).

Because mice are warm-blooded animals and must be shipped via the airlines the same as a cat or dog, it's almost always cheaper to drive or sometimes even to fly, pack the animals, and then drive home with them. I wish we had the option of using the Post Office or a courier service (like UPS) like reptile people do, but alas the government knows more than we do and is only looking out for our own well-being by saying what we can and cannot do with our own property (yeah, that's a joke).

Casey, since you have said that you plan to give me my doe, but said you cannot do so right away, I would appreciate it if you could see if Elena would be willing to hold onto her until you or her can make a trip down this way (or if I happen to make a trip up to the 'rents' lakehouse). I would feel more comfortable with that arrangement if you cannot afford to get her here right away...I would be ok with you taking time to gather funds if she is in Elena's possession. I would also greatly appreciate seeing a couple photos of her since I have not even had a glance of her at all and don't even know what color she is.

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Originally Posted by Stina

I would also greatly appreciate seeing a couple photos of her since I have not even had a glance of her at all and don't even know what color she is.

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after what she did and you not knowing what the doe looks like or color dont you think she would do something like switch it for another 1. just saying..

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Originally Posted by JaGv

after what she did and you not knowing what the doe looks like or color dont you think she would do something like switch it for another 1. just saying..

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There are no other ones in the country outside of the few people who paid to import them. That's what makes the theft so awful (even though it is still "just a mouse").

There is no way she could switch her for another mouse. The trait is VERY distinctive and impossible to replicate without having the gene. Since the doe she has is one of only 2 in the country (me having the other)...there are no other's to switch with.