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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...-54-10_244.jpg.

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@ the OP- this is the ideal BP room pit has here. As much as us as humans think giving snakes a lot of room to be free ball pythons get a sense of security from tight spaces. I get your heart is in the right place, but I really urge you to do your homework on BPs. The set up you have is asking for problems, and a ball python soaking all the time throws up red flags ( mites, scale problems, poor husbandry. I get you like the idea of all,of your animals living in one big tank and it is a fun idea just not a good one.
Also I get some people think tanks are more esthetically pleasing, but personally nothing looks better then a rack full of BPs.

Just an A.D.D. thought.......................... snake soaking all the time could also be that this is the only place the snake feels secure. I have seen smaller snakes use their water bowls as hides:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...-54-10_244.jpg

Just thought I would post the snake room too.

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I've got a male in a tub and a female in a viv, the only colour in their environments is the fake foliage (which I personally don't think they're too impressed with), and themselves. They tend to be on their own, in a tight, dry, dark space. When we get more, racks may be the way to go for us (depending on how easy temps are to achieve and keep at a steady level) and this rack set up is lush :)

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Originally Posted by kendrab

all i was really wanting to do was to make her home more "wild" like.

well im sorry that i have a verry big imagination and just want to make the animals feel at home.

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Im not gunna go through that whole paragragh and correct you on everything because i dont think that will help. Im just gunna address these two things. In the wild bps live in rodent burrows and termite mounds. They go into a burrow, eat the rodent occupant, then wait until theyre hungry again and they move on to the next burrow. The only other times they move is to mate or thermoregulate. These burrows are very small and very tight. They like this because it makes them feel secure. So if you want your bp to feel "like shes in the wild" she needs a warm, dry and tight hide. And the animals in that tank need to seperated. In the wild they wouldnt all live together so if you care about them and want your animals to feel like theyre "in the wild" you'll seperate them.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Im not gunna go through that whole paragragh and correct you on everything because i dont think that will help. Im just gunna address these two things. In the wild bps live in rodent burrows and termite mounds. They go into a burrow, eat the rodent occupant, then wait until theyre hungry again and they move on to the next burrow. The only other times they move is to mate or thermoregulate. These burrows are very small and very tight. They like this because it makes them feel secure. So if you want your bp to feel "like shes in the wild" she needs a warm, dry and tight hide. And the animals in that tank need to seperated. In the wild they wouldnt all live together so if you care about them and want your animals to feel like theyre "in the wild" you'll seperate them.

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^^^ This :yes:

Poor thing... I bet that is one freaked out little snake.

On another note, If we did the same thing with a person I bet it would make for one interesting reality show. Take a person and about 6-8 other mammals from around the world, that are possibly sick, that you could possibly co habitat with, and lock them all in a 14ft x 14ft room together. Wonder how long the person would survive... :P

Ok, I'm going to try to explain this for the OP, because it doesn't seem like anyone's put all the pieces together (though there are lots of pieces in the previous posts).

1) Ball pythons do not get depressed. You said you almost lost her. That sounds very serious...it sounds like she's sick. Is she eating, as of right now? Has she eaten since you made this change? Was she off food after the move from the window? Ball pythons are sensitive to changes in their environment, and often stop eating when something changes, until they get used to it. They won't eat if they're under a lot of stress. However, if the snake is losing a lot of weight, and its feeding habits have always been sporadic, then illness is likely. Internal parasites are the most common cause.

2) You said you took her to a vet, and the vet said she was healthy. Did the vet do a fecal exam for parasites? If not, and it wasn't even suggested, then as other people have said, please find a new vet. The new reptile specialist criteria for vets was only created a couple of years ago now, and there are very few reptile specialists out there. As a result, most vets who treat reptiles studied it on the side, and they can range from very good, to dangerously bad. It's very sad, but true--most of the people on this forum may know more about ball python husbandry than your vet does. ARAV.org can help you find a good reptile vet. Judging by your vet's agreement with your mixed-species enclosure, you have a very bad reptile vet. He should stick to cats and dogs.

3) If your ball python didn't have parasites before, she likely does now. You put wild-caught anoles and tree frogs into her enclosure, and those animals come loaded with internal parasites. In a captive environment, these parasites can build up to lethal levels. In order to keep them alive and healthy in the long term, all wild-caught animals should be treated for parasites before you put them into a permanent enclosure. Even anoles. (The cost of an animal has nothing to do with the cost of its care, which is a very important thing to keep in mind).

4) Ball pythons live on the African Savannah, which is dry and hot. They escape the dryness and heat by spending their days (and often most of their nights) inside of rodent burrows and termite mounds. The humidity inside of a rodent burrow can be high, but the flooring is usually dry. Ball pythons do not handle damp bedding well. They can develop blister disease or other skin infections, which are very dangerous, when kept on bedding that is too damp. Humidity for a ball python should be around 60%. Temperatures should be 80F with a 90F basking area. Ball pythons, being an animal that lives in burrows, don't prefer large enclosures, although they are all individuals, so tolerance of such things varies. They do need small, single-entrance hides--they should be just big enough for the snake to squeeze into. They like to feel surrounded on all sides, and that there's no room for anything else in there, to feel secure. Secure ball pythons eat, insecure ones often don't.

5) Your snake has become more active because she wants to leave. A high activity level indicates discomfort in a ball python. It's normal for these snakes to spend most of their time in their hide, resting. Constant roaming is a sign of distress. Stress is dangerous for reptiles, particularly if, as seems to be indicated by your comments on her 'depression', she is already sick. She's not happy having other animals crawling on her, and being in a damp place, so she would like to find a more suitable habitat.

6) The poor little anoles and frogs need consideration as well. A great big enclosure will work for them, and you can make a pretty naturalistic vivarium out of it. I dare say such a big enclosure is even sufficient to allow you to keep those two kinds of animals together, if there are plenty of plants and cover.

However....you did not deparasitize them first. This means you have to rip the whole thing down and bleach it, and throw away everything you can't bleach or bake. The animals have to be kept on paper towel with bare branches for a couple of weeks while you administer the worming medications your vet will prescribe. They have to be kept scrupulously clean during this process. Once it is done, then you can build a fancy planted vivarium for them.

Not only that, but the anoles require a good UVB light in addition to heat and humidity. Insects should be gut-loaded and dusted with calcium powder. Never feed them anything bigger than the space between their eyes (anoles shouldn't be eating crickets larger than 1/4").

In conclusion, you've simply made some mistakes, and some of them may prove to be expensive--in particular, you underestimated the cost for care and consequences of those frogs and anoles. I suggest you put at the top of your 'to do' list, first, finding a new, knowledgeable reptile vet. Second, buy books on ball python, anole, and tree frog care. These are three different animals with different needs. You should have an in-depth understanding of how to take care of them. Rid the animals of parasites, which they can carry without being killed in the wild, because they don't spend time around their own poop. In captivity, they are constantly re-exposed to the parasite eggs in their own droppings. Assume all of them have them, now.

Your ball python never got mites from its bedding or cage. Snake mites only come from other reptiles, you see. They can be tracked in on supplies from pet stores, pant legs, etc. I hope you made sure every last one of them was gone, because they, too, can be lethal if they go unchecked.

To the OP...

You can do a 'terrarium' for your snake. But the one you've made is highly inappropriate. The humidity, the substrate, etc are not appropriate for the species.

Your vet is a moron. The ball python will not eat the fish, should not be in that environment and should not be around wild caught animals. I suspect that your vet is either a complete idiot, or he is deliberately indulging you in order to be able to charge you MORE money when the snake continues to have issues.

The mites only come from other reptiles. They are not caused by substrate. Likewise, a proper substrate should not cause your snake to "eat" it.

If you want to do a large "natural" enclosure, you CAN, but you need to do it properly for the snake's health. That includes proper levels of heat and humidity, a LOT of hiding spots that are very small and secure for her to hide away in whenever she wants to, and no wild caught animals spreading parasites and stressing her. Do you know what the signs of stress are in a ball python?

My suggestion would be to immediately find a proper vet, and get the snake checked for parasites. Then I would tear down everything in the enclosure and rebuild it from the "ground up" to be for a ball python. It will look cool to you and be okay for the snake. Even though it's easiest to keep a happy healthy ball in a tub/rack environment, a natural enclosure can work too, with lots of effort and with it properly set up.

I'm sure plenty of folks can advise you on how to better set up a natural enclosure. No one here wants to "diss" you or insult you, they are only thinking of your PET first. We are all very passionate about ball pythons and want only the best of care for them, above and beyond the feelings of the owners.

I'm sure you could see people getting upset if someone posted how happy their ball python was in a nice wire bird cage, right? Your set up is wrong, and folks are just fussing because the snake is the one that will end up suffering.

I don't understand how on earth you are cleaning this setup? It's impossible to disinfect all that junk and all those animals pooping and peeing, dead crickets, etc. Throwing a bunch of plants and animals from across the world together is not natural in the least. I have my bp in a "large" cage, it's 4 feet across and he spends 99% of the time in a hide doing nothing because that's what healthy bp's do. I hope you take the excellent advice given, get your snake a proper setup and find a decent herp vet because I agree, he's an idiot, no one in their right mind would say a bp would eat fish or support keeping one like that. It is asking for scale rot, parasites and other issues.

Kendra, I believe in giving every person the chance to do the right thing. In this thread you have been given multiple chances to take some of the best ball python husbandry advice available...not just on the internet, but on the planet. Your last post shows that you have no intention of taking that advice, and frankly shows a blatant lack of regard for not only your ball python, but also for the other species of reptile you have chosen to toss together in your 200 gallon theater of the absurd.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

so lets start by asking questions on ball pythons.
[B]1. WHY CANT MY BALLPYTHON HAVE ALOT OF ROOM?
all i was really wanting to do was to make her home more "wild" like.

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While there is nothing particularly wrong with your BP having ALOT OF ROOM, what does having a lot of room have to do with you forcing your will on your snake and making it live in your own twisted version of reptile Fantasy Island? Your snake could have plenty of room in an enclosure of her own. Why is following solid BP husbandry advice so hard for you? Also please explain to me how many "wild" ball pythons live in a rain forest?

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Originally Posted by kendrab

then mac dissapeared. and once again siss quit eating.

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Please explain to me why you think these two events are related? Your answer could go a long way in explaining a lot of things...or, maybe not, but I would like to know.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

WHY WOULD MY BALL PYTHON WANT TO "SOAK" ALL THE TIME?

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Why did your snake get mites? Answer that, and you'll have a head start on answering the soaking question. In addition, some BP just like to soak...that's no reason build Jurassic Park in your living room.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

the vet said that top soil is fine for her and the plants are not harmful to her and actually are good cause they promote oxagyn. he said that the fish are ok but they would probably end up food for the snake.

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OM Holy G!!! Jeebus and The Fishermen protect us!!!
There is really no delicate way to put this...Your Vet may be well meaning, but he or she seriously rode the short bus to Veterinary College.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

the treefrog likes to stay over by the water and eats the nats and flys that end up in the tank.

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:omg: I can't even imagine why nobody here things this isn't a good environment for your ball python....

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Originally Posted by kendrab

i am taking advice on helping everyone live together.

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Who in the unmitigated name of anything you hold holy gave you advice on helping all these mismatched herps live in the same glass sided house of horrors you call a habitat? Who? By name? Please?

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Originally Posted by kendrab

i wash the inside of the tank glass every other day so noone is drinking nasty water off the glass.

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If you have water (condensation, actually) on the inside of your glass that you have to wash off every day, your enclosure is far too humid for your ball python.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

i was not trying to be mean but all that i was getting was that i needed to take the snake out

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No shizzle! Maybe that's because you need to take the snake out...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by kendrab

well im sorry that i have a verry big imagination and just want to make the animals feel at home.

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I can see how your tree frogs feel at home, but please explain to me how your ball python, a native of west African grasslands, feels at home in your 200 gallon petri dish?

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Originally Posted by kendrab

i also looked at the care sheets and the only one that was out of the temp is the chubby frog

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You're telling me you read the care sheets for all your animals and that's what you got out of them? Wow...just, Wow :(

Oh and technically, condensation water on glass would probably be the cleanest water in there.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Kendra, I believe in giving every person the chance to do the right thing. In this thread you have been given multiple chances to take some of the best ball python husbandry advice available...not just on the internet, but on the planet. Your last post shows that you have no intention of taking that advice, and frankly shows a blatant lack of regard for not only your ball python, but also for the other species of reptile you have chosen to toss together in your 200 gallon theater of the absurd.

While there is nothing particularly wrong with your BP having ALOT OF ROOM, what does having a lot of room have to do with you forcing your will on your snake and making it live in your own twisted version of reptile Fantasy Island?

...that's no reason build Jurassic Park in your living room.

OM Holy G!!! Jeebus and The Fishermen protect us!!!
There is really no delicate way to put this...Your Vet may be well meaning, but he or she seriously rode the short bus to Veterinary College.


Who in the unmitigated name of anything you hold holy gave you advice on helping all these mismatched herps live in the same glass sided house of horrors you call a habitat? Who? By name? Please?

I can see how your tree frogs feel at home, but please explain to me how your ball python, a native of west African grasslands, feels at home in your 200 gallon petri dish?

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Quite the way with words Slim...Quiiite the way with words
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Jeebus and the Fishermen. I nearly died laughing.

I feel like smashing my head into a table, she clearly isn't listening. She has, as you have said, received a LOAD of great advice. Yet I bet they're all still living in her "200 gallon petri dish", taking "rides" on her BPs back and "feeding" each other... This seems to have been a "Look at what I can do, everyone tell me it's so cool, but I don't want to hear it if I'm wrong" thread.

It's like me getting diabetes, everyone telling me I need to stop eating so much sugar because I could get seriously ill, but me always saying,
"No it's okay, I know what I'm doing!", not listening to anybody because I LOVE sugar, and that's what I want to eat. I may say I know what I'm doing, and not see the effects straight away...But the long term serious effects eventually become apparent.

Kendra, please think about the wellbeing of your animals here. That poor snake is being forced to live in those horrible conditions just so you can humor yourself. How would you like to be forced to live a certain way without anyone having any regard for what is right and wrong??? In short, you are going to have one very sick snake on your hands if you continue to force her to live like this. All I can say is when that happens, don't come here crying that your snake is sick. You choose to do what you want without any regard for what the snake has to go through, pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

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Kendra, please think about the wellbeing of your animals here. That poor snake is being forced to live in those horrible conditions just so you can humor yourself. How would you like to be forced to live a certain way without anyone having any regard for what is right and wrong??? In short, you are going to have one very sick snake on your hands if you continue to force her to live like this. All I can say is when that happens, don't come here crying that your snake is sick. You choose to do what you want without any regard for what the snake has to go through, pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

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:bow: Well said.

One thing that caught me was the vet said it was an uncommonly friendly snake. One, most of my BPs are really "Friendly". With the proper handling a BP becomes tallernt of handling where they almost seem friendly this includes being head shy or not. A Ball Python is STILL a wild animal, and there for is not tame. Silver and Abus do not rare back or ball up when there head is touched, they are used to it. so there for are the two I use the most for presentation when I let kids and nervous people hold the snakes. To me if you can't train it to play fetch it isn't "Friendly"

The habitat idea is cool (I myself have lots of hides, branches, fake greenery etc.), just takes lots of time so most people don't do it. I'd just suggest you change your habitat though, less rainforest, more this:
http://www.amnh.org/ology/features/a...an_savanna.jpg

ok so i have another tank to set up for siss. i want to set it up but i am sticking to my soil and nateral plants. sorry in 6 years that is one thing that i want to keep. so with that is what is called cat grass ok to put in her tank or what are some ideas of plants that can go in with her.
as everyone said the 200 is set up for every one else.:oops:
i really didnt need the sarcasm.:(:mad:

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Originally Posted by Trochu

The habitat idea is cool (I myself have lots of hides, branches, fake greenery etc.), just takes lots of time so most people don't do it. I'd just suggest you change your habitat though, less rainforest, more this:
http://www.amnh.org/ology/features/a...an_savanna.jpg

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Please don't put a live giraffe in a tank. Just leads to madness.

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Please don't put a live giraffe in a tank. Just leads to madness.

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

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:D, um right.....said habitat without the giraffe.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

i really didnt need the sarcasm.:(:mad:

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I'm very glad you’re setting her up in her own enclosure. If you had done that earlier, you wouldn't have gotten the sarcasm.

I really wish you'd reconsider this natural plant and grass stuff. That kind of set up strokes your own ego, but frankly, does nothing for your snake. You're just setting yourself up for problems down the line. But, as I said, I’m just grateful you’re taking her out of the rain forest.

You know, if you really want to set her up in the most realistic environment possible, you should research what kind of plants grow inside a termite mound.

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Originally Posted by kendrab

ok so i have another tank to set up for siss. i want to set it up but i am sticking to my soil and nateral plants. sorry in 6 years that is one thing that i want to keep. so with that is what is called cat grass ok to put in her tank or what are some ideas of plants that can go in with her.

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I've been following the thread a bit and was actually kind of intrigued by your idea of a 'natural' setup for your bp. I've done natural setups for leopard geckos and corns and though the maintenance is higher, it can be very rewarding.

First thing to consider is researching what the habitat looks like and this includes soil. You mentioned you want to keep soil so you may want to look at a properly draining soil such as what's found in the African grasslands. It doesn't stay very moist on top which will also help keep your snake happier. You would also want natural plants for the enclosure which would include mostly grasses and maybe a small bush (depending on the size of your new setup). To find out what soil and grasses would work best, I'd recommend talking to your local nursery. Explain that the soil will need to be able to drain well. You could also include branches (bake them first to ensure they don't have any bacteria, etc.) and rocks stacked up for hides. There are plenty of dead branches, sticks, and twigs on the savannah. Also, if you use the rocks to support it, you could even dig little burrows for your girl that I'm sure she'd love exploring. In the wild, they go hunting, eat the inhabitants, and then sleep there many times so think small. She should be able to curl up and almost fill up the entire space. The rocks provide structure so that it stays more stable.

For water, I like using 'natural' looking water dishes and will even bury them essentially in the substrate so that they look like a pond of sorts. Yes, you have to rebury them every time you need to change the water but if you want the natural look, this works better than a pump/filter system.

Just remember when you go to clean up after her, you will have to dig out some of the soil underneath and replace it to make sure you aren't leaving bacteria/etc. behind.

You will also need to ensure that she's getting the proper heat/humidity requirements with this setup. Use a simple digital thermometer/hygrometer combo to measure and then you can always find ways to adjust that as needed. The plants will need a UV/plant light so that will help with heat but that won't be on all day so you'll need a separate heat source for night time. The heat source may be rough on some species of plants so you'll have to experiment to find plants that live well in a dry warm environment. You may go through several before finding grasses that do well but once you do, they should be self-sustaining.

This will take a little while to setup and get everything right, but in the end, your snake will be much happier with her base requirements met. Also, if you could post pics as you set it up, I think it would be nice to see you recreating her natural home. It's too much work for most breeders and even plain pet owners, but it is neat to see when someone does it right.

Here are some links that might help with your research:
http://www.ehow.com/list_7444313_pla...rasslands.html
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/exhibit...grasslands.php

Here are some shots of my leopard gecko setup to give you some ideas for 'burrows'. Instead of sand, you'd be using a well draining soil. The rocks can be found at home improvement stores in spring/summer in their landscaping areas and give you plenty of design options.
This shot shows how the rock was supported (in a 150 gallon tank setup). That ensures it doesn't fall on your animal.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...tup2_adult.jpg

This one shows one of my boys digging his own hole. This rock was supported with smaller ones that stayed buried under the sand.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...nkydigging.jpg

The result? A nice comfy place where they felt secure.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...sunderrock.jpg

This can't be real right? Either way, it was a good laugh for 10 minutes. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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This can't be real right? Either way, it was a good laugh for 10 minutes. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Unfortunately it is indeed real, there are pictures to back it up

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...05178137_n.jpg

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Unfortunately it is indeed real, there are pictures to back it up

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...05178137_n.jpg

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:O From what I've learned about snakes, this is not good is it? :colbert::colbert:

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Originally Posted by Dracoluna

I've been following the thread a bit and was actually kind of intrigued by your idea of a 'natural' setup for your bp. I've done natural setups for leopard geckos and corns and though the maintenance is higher, it can be very rewarding.

First thing to consider is researching what the habitat looks like and this includes soil. You mentioned you want to keep soil so you may want to look at a properly draining soil such as what's found in the African grasslands. It doesn't stay very moist on top which will also help keep your snake happier. You would also want natural plants for the enclosure which would include mostly grasses and maybe a small bush (depending on the size of your new setup). To find out what soil and grasses would work best, I'd recommend talking to your local nursery. Explain that the soil will need to be able to drain well. You could also include branches (bake them first to ensure they don't have any bacteria, etc.) and rocks stacked up for hides. There are plenty of dead branches, sticks, and twigs on the savannah. Also, if you use the rocks to support it, you could even dig little burrows for your girl that I'm sure she'd love exploring. In the wild, they go hunting, eat the inhabitants, and then sleep there many times so think small. She should be able to curl up and almost fill up the entire space. The rocks provide structure so that it stays more stable.

For water, I like using 'natural' looking water dishes and will even bury them essentially in the substrate so that they look like a pond of sorts. Yes, you have to rebury them every time you need to change the water but if you want the natural look, this works better than a pump/filter system.

Just remember when you go to clean up after her, you will have to dig out some of the soil underneath and replace it to make sure you aren't leaving bacteria/etc. behind.

You will also need to ensure that she's getting the proper heat/humidity requirements with this setup. Use a simple digital thermometer/hygrometer combo to measure and then you can always find ways to adjust that as needed. The plants will need a UV/plant light so that will help with heat but that won't be on all day so you'll need a separate heat source for night time. The heat source may be rough on some species of plants so you'll have to experiment to find plants that live well in a dry warm environment. You may go through several before finding grasses that do well but once you do, they should be self-sustaining.

This will take a little while to setup and get everything right, but in the end, your snake will be much happier with her base requirements met. Also, if you could post pics as you set it up, I think it would be nice to see you recreating her natural home. It's too much work for most breeders and even plain pet owners, but it is neat to see when someone does it right.

Here are some links that might help with your research:
http://www.ehow.com/list_7444313_pla...rasslands.html
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/exhibit...grasslands.php

Here are some shots of my leopard gecko setup to give you some ideas for 'burrows'. Instead of sand, you'd be using a well draining soil. The rocks can be found at home improvement stores in spring/summer in their landscaping areas and give you plenty of design options.
This shot shows how the rock was supported (in a 150 gallon tank setup). That ensures it doesn't fall on your animal.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...tup2_adult.jpg

This one shows one of my boys digging his own hole. This rock was supported with smaller ones that stayed buried under the sand.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...nkydigging.jpg

The result? A nice comfy place where they felt secure.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...sunderrock.jpg

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The last picture the gecko is a badass.

It's a wonder anyone new ever posts in this forum! All of you with the exception of one or two have not given any viable advise. She obviously wants to have a "pretty" set up and all you do is say she and her vet are idiots. How about giving some tips on how to set up a natural looking set up is stead of berating her. Not all of us want to act like breeders and keep rack systems. I am with her in that I want a Healthy yet eye appealing setup. I understand many of u love your rack systems but I for one think they are hideous. I have one Bp currently and am interested in having another species as well (not housed together) as more of a show piece. I personally have no need for racks because I only plan on having 2 or 3 snakes so I want them to be seen not tucked away. Most all of you have been nothing but rude and mean GROW UP you are acting like you are 12! Any of you that has constructive ADVICE instead of just being rude it would be appriceated.

Cherrys2r,

This thread is actually fairly old, and most of the issues addressed in these posts have been put to rest.

I think you'll find the membership of BP.net to be quite helpful and accommodating :gj:

While there are many acceptable ways to keep and house ball pythons, some aspects of husbandry are recognized as standard practice, regardless of the type of enclosure you choose.

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Originally Posted by Smoked Oyster

Sorry for all the people who are making fun of you here.

BP's are solitary creatures from the African savannah. They have very specific care requirements for best health and comfort. Your current setup could lead to long term problems. Look at the care sheets here and elsewhere for best practices if you want your bp to be happy and healthy. Cool setup, but inappropriate for that particular animal. Good luck!!

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ok so i've been reading through this thread and was very disappointed in most of the responses in here until I got to this message. So far it is the only one that seems appropriate!:gj: Y would people call this person a liar and such? sure ask for proof but you dont have to be mean about it folks. They need guidance not to be made fun of. none of us knew everything there was to know when we got our first reptile and we all know the kind of info the pet store clerks offer. I was told that I could keep a beardie and water dragon in the same setup as long as they were near the same size. Glad I did the research before just listening to the kid that worked at the pet store. Seeing the responses to this thread makes me second guess if i'm in the same friendly herp community that I thought i was in. :confused:

True that the comments were not very nice, but when you hear/see something that's so out of whack, do you not think all of that stuff in your head? In reading the OP's post, are you telling me that you didn't think this was the worst thing for all those animals? Sure the comments could have been put nicer, but realistically, these people are just speaking their minds. I personally have no problem with that. I would much rather people speak their minds to me than hide behind "political correctness" and "politeness".

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True that the comments were not very nice, but when you hear/see something that's so out of whack, do you not think all of that stuff in your head? In reading the OP's post, are you telling me that you didn't think this was the worst thing for all those animals? Sure the comments could have been put nicer, but realistically, these people are just speaking their minds. I personally have no problem with that. I would much rather people speak their minds to me than hide behind "political correctness" and "politeness".

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wow I just finished reading all of the post on this thread and feel like an idiot for even trying to be nice about it. was gonna edit my first reply to it but was to late. I'm completely at a loss for words. I understand being misinformed. i've been there but after all the quality advice I just dont know what to say.....