very dissapointed

I would not purchase anything from someone incapable of using punctuation, Enchi or not :roll eyes:

In all seriousness, if you are selling animals you should try your best to present a professional image. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by slithering house

unfortunately my bf sent the wrong pictures of the mother.
The first pic was of a Jolliff line axanthic i had sold earlier, and the second pic is the mom, which in fact is an enchi.
I purchased the mom with paperwork from ralf (Ralph) davis (Davis).
I am not trying to upset the guy i was trying to sell her to, i was given info from the breeders i sent pics to of her.
I'm not labeling her as a pastel enchi now.
I wanted to make sure i didn't label her wrong, but when you hear from 3 top breeders that she has the right pattern color and belly, you tend to trust them over anyone else.
But like i said I'm trying to produce good, correctly labeled animals and now have doubts of even asking the big breeders of fear of them not taking a good look at the pics before making a decision on them.
I sincerely apologize to anyone i have offended in this process.
I will be more in tune to research well before labeling the animal hence the reason i asked bp.net.
Thank you all for your input

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i agree i am a novice at breeding, and as far as pics go i dont have a light box or great camera, if someone can point me in the right direction to take better pics i would greatly apreciate it. i have a couple of mojave to normal clutches to arrive soon and would like to represent them as best as possible thankyou

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Originally Posted by slithering house

i agree i am a novice at breeding, and as far as pics go i dont have a light box or great camera, if someone can point me in the right direction to take better pics i would greatly apreciate it. i have a couple of mojave to normal clutches to arrive soon and would like to represent them as best as possible thankyou

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It was your giant run on sentence that was the problem. If you want to sell something to someone, you need to come across professional. Proper punctuation and the capitalization of words after a period is a good start. Not a slam, just something you should work on.

i agree i dont pay attention sometimes when i type il just have to work on it

Well, you don't need an expensive camera to take decent pictures, you just need a little tweaking.

First, choose a fairly light colored background that is a solid color. White is good, but also tan, blue and light green. Try to avoid yellow, orange and red because that messes with your camera. Or go with deep black.

Get good lighting. A lamp in the corner isn't going to cut it. If you have CFB bulbs, they can help provide truer colors. Using a desk lamp or two with CFB bulbs and an overhead light will help immensely.

Don't get too far away from your subject. Get as close as you can and have your camera focus. The best shots for morph ID or selling is one close up head, one belly, and one or two full body pattern.

Gale

thankyou i apreciate the help

You are welcome.

Gale

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I would not purchase anything from someone incapable of using punctuation, Enchi or not :roll eyes:

In all seriousness, if you are selling animals you should try your best to present a professional image. Just my opinion.

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My opinion is that if your biggest contribution to a thread is harping on someone's grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc...you'd be doing everyone a service by not commenting in the first place. You can deal with it and try to contribute something of value pertaining to the subject at hand, or you can move on to the next thread. Not saying it's the case here, but not everyone has been afforded a solid education, or has the capacity to proofread their own writing. Not everyone is capable of wording everything so eloquently either.

If it's that bothersome to you, I'd be glad to point you to a couple very well known breeders that have crap grammar...maybe you'd be nice enough to send them an e-mail asking them to present themselves in a more professional manner as well.

Well said +1
To be real, alot of people just dont care, dude
This is a time when we do not write, or speak english, its all slurred up and weird, we speak and write american, and there is no punctuation.
Now if i was writing a term paper....

Seriously? There is a large difference between grammar issues and writing complete paragraphs with no punctuation or capitalization. That is not lack of proof reading or lack of education, it is just lazy. To say that it is an acceptable form of communication is rubbish.

I was trying to put the :rolleyes: for the not buying part, but I was serious in the presenting oneself professionally part.

As far as value, there were other member who rogered up in the thread that it was very difficult to read. To help the OP better get ANY question answered, I suggested they take a look at the formatting.

I am not the only one that made the point in this thread, and there was very obviously a lot of agreement with me. Feel free to forward me anything that you like, and if you feel the need to further call me out, take it to PM.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

My opinion is that if your biggest contribution to a thread is harping on someone's grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc.

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I'm usually "that guy" that's corrects people's spelling or grammar. But if I'm going to buy something from someone, I would like to see some form of professionalism. I wasn't knocking on him for it, I simply wanted to point it out so he could correct it and most likely be more successful as a seller.

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I'm usually "that guy" that's corrects people's spelling or grammar. But if I'm going to buy something from someone, I would like to see some form of professionalism. I wasn't knocking on him for it, I simply wanted to point it out so he could correct it and most likely be more successful as a seller.

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Well your gramma is off buddy.
Im usually that guy THAT's corrects peoples....... you that that
See theres no point calling people out when noone is perfect

I've read through this entire thread two times and still don't think I understand the lineup card. And yes, part of it is the fact that the OP is writing in the English language, just not a version of it that I recognize.

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i agree i dont pay attention sometimes when i type il just have to work on it

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Please do, it will be much easier to understand what you are trying to say.

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thankyou i apreciate the help

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So much for trying to work on it :rolleyes:

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My opinion is that if your biggest contribution to a thread is harping on someone's grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc...you'd be doing everyone a service by not commenting in the first place. You can deal with it and try to contribute something of value pertaining to the subject at hand, or you can move on to the next thread. Not saying it's the case here, but not everyone has been afforded a solid education, or has the capacity to proofread their own writing. Not everyone is capable of wording everything so eloquently either.

If it's that bothersome to you, I'd be glad to point you to a couple very well known breeders that have crap grammar...maybe you'd be nice enough to send them an e-mail asking them to present themselves in a more professional manner as well.

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Well said +1
To be real, alot of people just dont care, dude
This is a time when we do not write, or speak english, its all slurred up and weird, we speak and write american, and there is no punctuation.
Now if i was writing a term paper....

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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again. If you appear to be sharp in your written communications, people will perceive you to be sharp. If you appear to be a helmet wearing, window licking idiot in your written communications, people will perceive you to be a freaking moron. And, you shouldn't feel slighted in the least bit when people treat you like a mental midget. After all, that must be the look you're going for in you are lazy enough to post like a three year old.

And I'm with Jinx. I don't do business with idiots, and if you present yourself as one on a web forum, and that's my only impression of you, then again, it shouldn't be a surprise when I don't buy from you.

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Well your gramma is off buddy.
Im usually that guy THAT's corrects peoples....... you that that
See theres no point calling people out when noone is perfect

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Wow what I was trying to say is I'm NOT that guy! My mistake. Leave one word out and it comes out totally different.
Also I'm not trying to sell you anything. I still stand by what I said. Being well spoken/written sells.

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Not saying it's the case here, but not everyone has been afforded a solid education, or has the capacity to proofread their own writing.

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It's not an "education" thing...it's being lazy and not giving a crap...

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Well your gramma is off buddy.
Im usually that guy THAT's corrects peoples....... you that that
See theres no point calling people out when noone is perfect

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Also if your going to call me out on something that was obviously auto corrected. You should proof read what you write, because I had a hard time trying to make out what you were saying.

I suppose, but to be honest, if im shelling out money for anything, it's the product that sells itself, not the seller. If the snake is well taken care of, is what it sold as, and priced fair, than I could care less the about education, financial standing, or grammer the seller has to offer. Im not buying a term paper from him after all.

im still learning about breeding and selling and need guidence on doing it properly not destructive criticism. And also i do apreciate help i am very educated but didnt proof read my sentences being i was speed typing. And also i know this industry is mainly men girls can do it too.

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Originally Posted by slithering house

im still learning about breeding and selling and need guidence on doing it properly not destructive criticism. And also i do apreciate help i am very educated but didnt proof read my sentences being i was speed typing. And also i know this industry is mainly men girls can do it too.

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That is fine, and I do wish you luck. The guidance in the latter part of this thread comes down to professional appearance. There are a ton of girls in this industry, so I do not think that will hold you back at all.

Projecting yourself as professional and responsible, with a good end product will be all you really need to succeed.

Between the run-ons and the confusion over the Enchi issue, you are getting a bit of a rough start. That is fine, as we have all been there, but it makes it harder to dig out if you make an initial poor impression.

Like I said, good luck and I hope you take some of the advice to to heart. It is not personal, really just trying to help.

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it's the product that sells itself, not the seller.

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Ever hear of Morph King Reptiles? :D

I'll personally stick to a happy medium...nice healthy animals and a seller that isn't too lazy to use this key "." and this one ",". If they're lazy enough to skimp on something like that, what else are they skimping on?

Something like that tells me the person would have no problem keeping multiple animals in a big 'ol fish tank instead of seperate enclosures for each one...because well...it's actually work to clean and maintain enclosures for each individually...just my opinion...

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It is not personal, really just trying to help.

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X2 .....just remember when dealing with new potential customers. You only get one first impression.

well i dont know about other people, but i keep all my ballpythons in vision racks their healthy and happy and never had mites:)

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well i dont know about other people, but i keep all my ballpythons in vision racks their healthy and happy and never had mites:)

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You could be the best breeder in the world, but the way you communicate is going to turn a lot of customers away because it makes you look lazy. That will cost you sales. In the BP business, you're going to need every advantage possible. You should look at this as constructive criticism, not "destructive".

like i said i do apreciate the help. dont get me wrong but when people assume you have been doing this for a long time and puts them down for not being knowledgable it doesent help but i apreciate your comment thankyou

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like i said i do apreciate the help. dont get me wrong but when people assume you have been doing this for a long time and puts them down for not being knowledgable it doesent help but i apreciate your comment thankyou

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My last piece of advise...hire someone to create your website and communicate with potential customers, and stick to the breeding and cage cleaning. :) Have fun and good luck! :gj:

thankyou

Not destructive, but constructive criticism..

If you are asking for help on a situation, or communicating with potential customers or sellers, using proper punctuation and grammar DOES help you out. Poor grammar and/or lack of punctuation can lead to misunderstanding, which can lead to major issues with a deal.

You may want to practice using proper English(American) as much as is possible so that it becomes natural for you to type that way. Send your emails or posts or whatever you happen to write to a friend to "proof read" and point out any issues, so you realize what is confusing and what is "passable".

Being able to type up a reply to a email communication will soon make you look like a rocket scientist, with the way people are becoming more sloppy. I myself don't automatically consider a poor writer to be a poor keeper of animals, but I do consider that they may be sloppy in setting up a deal, since they are not very clear when they are typing out the offer to me. Text-speak and a lack of structure can make it impossible to work out what they are offering or expecting, and thus I'd normally rather pass on the possible deal and move on to someone who is more clear.

When you are presenting yourself as a professional, it's better to appear to know what you're doing and not like you're typing out the fewest possible characters so you can get back to video games or pizza or whatever activity that is more important than responding to the communication. When you have a store, and a customer walks in, you don't generally greet them with "Yo what you want?". You'd normally ask politely so the customer knows that you genuinely want to have them as a customer. It should be no different via email.

Agreed, entirely. If you're serious about all of this, you need to either take a refresher course in English writing, or hire someone to write for you. There's a lot of text-based communication involved in buying and selling animals online, and the more professional you look, the more people will trust that you know what you're doing.

I'm also one of the people who wouldn't buy anything from someone who used 'txt spk' on a forum, and didn't use, at the very LEAST, capitalization and basic punctuation. Everyone in the US has been afforded an education that covers those basics. If someone has not learned those things, it's not because they didn't have the opportunity to do so, it's because they did not apply themselves. That reflects on their character. If you don't want to present the image of being a person who does not apply themselves academically (and thus, would not have researched all that they should on caring for animals), then definitely make sure that you write like someone who cares about education.

It may be an entirely false impression, but in business, appearances mean a LOT. I do know folks who write very poorly, but are educated in other ways. Yet, I still have the bias I do, when I see poor writing skills.

Alot. Of times I post quick replies with bad spelling and grammer, but thats because i work 7 days a week, and im usually on the go, i guess i can see the point though, when shelling out a few grand for a snake, you dont want it being from a moron. Sorry for being argumentative guys lol

I don't see bad grammar any worse than other bad habits displayed by professionals. Failure to keep a thread on topic is also frowned upon just as much by some. We all have faults in some way. Applauding good qualities produces a better atmosphere. :D

Ps. I think I had at least two edits for grammar :D

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like i said i do apreciate the help. dont get me wrong but when people assume you have been doing this for a long time and puts them down for not being knowledgable it doesent help but i apreciate your comment thankyou

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Did you purchase one of those new computers that didn't come with a 'Shift' key?

If im buying something from someone and they cant formulate a sentence with capitals to begin sentences and periods to end them then i probably wont buy from them. Im only 18 so "texting talk" doesnt really bother me since im so used to it. Also im not a spelling expert so typos arent a huge deal. (Im typing this on my phone right now. So using apostrophes and capitalizing everything thats supposed to be capitalized would be a pain, but i still try and use punctuation to seperate my thoughts lol). Im not saying i expect everyone to be perfect, because i know im far from it, but i appreciate it when people use capitals and periods so it makes it easier to read rather than decipher lol...
Also another extremely valid point i have: If i really took the time to proofread and make sure everything i typed on my phone was perfect then i would never ever beat SerpantMerchant responding to a post first lmfao!

Well if you dont want to buy his snakes thats fine, dont buy them. Nobody has told anyone they have to buy this persons snakes so its all gravvyy

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Originally Posted by serpent fan

Well if you dont want to buy his snakes thats fine, dont buy them. Nobody has told anyone they have to buy this persons snakes so its all gravvyy

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Nah i wasnt talking directly to the OP, more of a general statement.

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Nobody has told anyone they have to buy this persons snakes so its all gravvyy

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I do not understand this sentence. Please explain.

You guys are just making it seem like hes forcing the snakes on you.your points have been made clear, Im pretty sure

Its 9 pages of why his grammer is bad, is that neccisary?

Taken as a whole, it's a nine page, free education on why looking and sounding professional is so important. A concept I'm sure you embrace...

No. Its you guys telling him a single point and hounding it relentlessly. I think the point was made clear the first time. Live and let live, and concept you should be able to grasp, slim.
This is only staying off topic, if you have anything to say pm me, peace.

Back on topic,

I'd love to see better pictures of the momma enchi ;)

I agree! Pics are great

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that almost made me lol...but then it made me sad... :(

Screw this form you guys are jerks, theres too many online communities to be stuck with a bunch of old lonley losers.peace

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Your a really not nice meanie head, I'm taking my ball and going home.

Hey slim, its really nice to be a jerk to new forum member, ive seen more forums die out than you can shake a stick @, and its usually because of people like you.
Calling me butt hurt and all this via pm is rude.
I simply asked you and a bunch of others if you could be a lil nicer.
It seems like you should be the one filling out that report, youve been hounding me now, since i made the mistake of standing up for someone.

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haha...I have the "R" rated version of that...:D

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Hey slim, its really nice to be a jerk to new forum member, ive seen more forums die out than you can shake a stick @, and its usually because of people like you.
Calling me butt hurt and all this via pm is rude.
I simply asked you and a bunch of others if you could be a lil nicer.
It seems like you should be the one filling out that report, youve been hounding me now, since i made the mistake of standing up for someone.

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Shake a stick at this, everyone here gets along just fine. For the most part everyone compliments each others animals, and shares advice. It's mostly when people can't take constructive criticism that things go bad. The criticism wasn't even towards you, yet you still felt the need to drag on your argument that bad grammar is ok to use in a business deal. You should be able to take people's 2 cents for what it is and move on. Not taking the "I'm taking my ball and going home" approach.

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Pictures and punctuation would help.

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See, the point was made on page one. Maybe you forgot on accont of the dementia, but posting more off topic seems to be worse forum mannors than me "telling you what to do"
Why dont you fill that out slim, send it to your war buddies they can fill it out too