RIP Whitney Houston...

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Originally Posted by John1982

While I was never a Whitney fan I am a bit shocked by some of these comments. Somebody started a thread titled "RIP (person)" and people almost immediately start bashing the dead. I'm not much of a Bible reader either but there's some such verse about not throwing rocks at someone unless you yourself are faultless. We've all made mistakes, that's how we grow and learn. Fallibility is one of our defining characteristics as humans, just some make larger mistakes than others and rebound faster too. I think some of us could learn a bit of compassion(not necessarily for the deceased but perhaps towards those for whom she will be missed). Now I realize from reading this thread that some of you are very passionate about drug use and that's awesome, I'm 100% anti drug too. I'm also convinced this thread is not the proper venue for a "flaming Whitney Houston" extravaganza.

My condolences to those who are saddened by the passing of Whitney Houston.

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You are insinuating that some of us have no compassion. I really don't think that is the case. My point is I have plenty of compassion for people. I feel for the mother with two kids who gets killed by a drunk driver or two little boys who were murdered and blow up by there father. But I will not lose any sleep over a drug abusing celebrity with to much time and money on there hands. I have compassion for people fighting cancer or soldiers fighting and dying in a foreign land. What we need is more compassion for the common person not the over privileged.

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Originally Posted by luvmyballs

You are insinuating that some of us have no compassion. I really don't think that is the case. My point is I have plenty of compassion for people. I feel for the mother with two kids who gets killed by a drunk driver or two little boys who were murdered and blow up by there father. But I will not lose any sleep over a drug abusing celebrity with to much time and money on there hands. I have compassion for people fighting cancer or soldiers fighting and dying in a foreign land. What we need is more compassion for the common person not the over privileged.

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.......I must be VERY out of the loop... Last comment revoked... <_< I didn't know all that... I knew she "died" of "drugs" But yeah... Looking in to it, I feel stupid for posting without knowing 100%..

I NEVER watch the news or anything.. Yes... I'm a hermit...

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Originally Posted by luvmyballs

You are insinuating that some of us have no compassion. I really don't think that is the case. My point is I have plenty of compassion for people. I feel for the mother with two kids who gets killed by a drunk driver or two little boys who were murdered and blow up by there father. But I will not lose any sleep over a drug abusing celebrity with to much time and money on there hands. I have compassion for people fighting cancer or soldiers fighting and dying in a foreign land. What we need is more compassion for the common person not the over privileged.

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Amen.

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Originally Posted by luvmyballs

You are insinuating that some of us have no compassion. I really don't think that is the case. My point is I have plenty of compassion for people. I feel for the mother with two kids who gets killed by a drunk driver or two little boys who were murdered and blow up by there father. But I will not lose any sleep over a drug abusing celebrity with to much time and money on there hands. I have compassion for people fighting cancer or soldiers fighting and dying in a foreign land. What we need is more compassion for the common person not the over privileged.

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Did you read my post? I didn't insinuate anything, I plain said it. I didn't point fingers or list names because I wasn't paying attention to who was saying what. I was just a bit disturbed by SOME of the comments. I suggested if we can't have compassion for the person who died we might show a bit towards those who will miss them. If you're lacking compassion maybe empathy for those who might have been close to the deceased. If someone you cared about passed from a possible drug overdose and you started a RIP thread for them how would you feel if people started making some of the comments we're seeing here? I've lost friends and family to differing causes, some out of their control, others of their own devices. I don't miss the ones who brought it upon themselves any less than the ones who had no control over the circumstances of their death.

Just read my first post and it seems I was insinuating. Not that the bashers were totally void of compassion though like you said but merely lacking a bit in this circumstance. Anyhow, it's past my bedtime so I'll let ya'll continue as you see fit. Be excellent to each other.

Ok so we have dedicated 6 pages on arguing about whitney houston. Theres bo need for arguments if we know the facts. The facts are she was a drug addict. I mean come on she drowned in a damn bath tub people. She has been a drug addict for the better part of 20 years. I have no sympathy at all for someone who destroys their life to the point it kills them. I do have compasion for those that make mistakes and turn it around to learn from them and better themselves. We are all human. We all make mistakes but come on she was a crackhead who also ate enough xanax every night to kill an elephant. I feel sorry for her kids. After all she was someones mother and someones daughter and parents shouldnt be burrying their kids. Drugs are bad mmkay

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Originally Posted by snake lab

She was found unresponsive in her hotel room. Sure sounds like another role model dead from drugs. I too have no sympathy at all for a crackhead

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couldn't have said it any better myself. its sad, but the truth hurts.. she did it to herself, and I'm sure she had all the money and the resources in the world to get herself clean, just couldn't realize... RIP though, she will be missed by many, just not me.. (can't believe I'm reading/replying to this on a reptile forum lmao)

as for steve irwin, with all due respect, he shouldent have died from a friggen stingray.. i think even Steve himself would have been happier to get eaten by a 14 foot croc.. would have at least been more fitting and made more sense. croc hunter ... killed by..............................................stringray:confused: ... RIP steve, you were a crazy dude:bow:

does anyone find it ironic that she died the day before the grammies? i do, she was washed up couldn't make a comeback, figured she would go out with tributes and the grammies, since she probably wouldn't ever win one again... and yes i have compassion.. but common everybody is mourning over her self destruction and demise.... next week or next month it will be the next star that used all their money to destroy themselves, they should just be like all the "healthy" famous people that donate their money to charities or adopt kids from Haiti...then maybe do all their drugs and kill themselves AFTER they are out of the spotlight lol

Wow - there really are some judgemental people here. ANY loss of life is sad.

One of my co-workers is dying of lung cancer - the doctors literally gave her 5-7 days last Friday. She is the most generous, loving, selfless person I've ever known, and when she passes, it will be a loss to a lot of us who love her. She was a smoker. Would those of you who judge Whitney Houston say that you have no sympathy for my friend and her family because she "brought it on herself"?

I'm sorry - money does NOT make someone happy. If it does, that makes someone very shallow to say that money is enough to make you a happy person. Does it relieve a lot of financial stress? Yes it does. But does it bring happiness into your life? No, it does not.

None of us have had the same life experience that Whitney Houston did. To stand in judgement of her and her ultimate demise is pathetic at best. All of you judging her and her manner of death, you have led a pristine life that allows you to be so judgemental? None of you have made poor choices in your life that you regret? None of you have experienced clinical depression?

She left behind a mother, a daughter, family members who love her. And that's tragic. Just as the death of our hero's in the military is tragic, just as the death of my beloved friend is going to be tragic.

I'm shocked by the lack of compassion in this thread and the vitriol I've read. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

I am sorry to those who miss her. But don't we have freedom of speech, aren't we entitled to opinions????? To each his own.

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Just because you are allowed to speak, doesn't mean you always should. To everyone who has been bashing the dead, have a little respect.

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Originally Posted by kyote19

Yea well they haven't stated her cause of death yet so why don't all of you ease off the gas with the insensitive comments of her dying as a 'crackhead'
You don't know how she died yet, and no matter what it looks like it could turn out to be something else not related so lay off.
:(R.I.P Whitney

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Past history will always define a person, she was a crackhead no matter how you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Strick

Rough Crowd here!...Addictions of any kind are a tough road. They will sneak up, grab you and take over your life. It's tough to let them go. It takes a lot of courage and will to deal with it but it can be done. Does that make them a bad person? Not always...

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I wont get into my person history here BUT any addictions can be over come IF you want to.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

What i dont get is how these so called ppl in entertainment think they have such a hard life.

Such a hard live making/made Millions that we could only dream of, and struggling to make ends meet.

I have no sympathy over any drug abusers regardless if their on tv or not using it for an excuse of hard times.

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Money doesnt always make you happy, especially if you are alone in life.;) Either physically or mentally.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

Millions of dollars ≠ happiness.

I dislike this argument. They live very different lives than we do. Michael Jackson made who knows how much money.. would you say that he didn't have a hard life because of his messed up childhood?

Not condoning her drug use, but there is always more to it than meets the eye.

Don't take your privacy for granted.

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They know the cost but want the fame, it is still a choice they make.

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Originally Posted by pigfat

I was JUST lip singing "I will Always Love You" because it was on the radio about 30 minutes before the news came out, then I get a text saying she had died....it was crazy.

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That IS Dollys song and always will be.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Wow - there really are some judgemental people here. ANY loss of life is sad.

One of my co-workers is dying of lung cancer - the doctors literally gave her 5-7 days last Friday. She is the most generous, loving, selfless person I've ever known, and when she passes, it will be a loss to a lot of us who love her. She was a smoker. Would those of you who judge Whitney Houston say that you have no sympathy for my friend and her family because she "brought it on herself"?

I'm sorry - money does NOT make someone happy. If it does, that makes someone very shallow to say that money is enough to make you a happy person. Does it relieve a lot of financial stress? Yes it does. But does it bring happiness into your life? No, it does not.

None of us have had the same life experience that Whitney Houston did. To stand in judgement of her and her ultimate demise is pathetic at best. All of you judging her and her manner of death, you have led a pristine life that allows you to be so judgemental? None of you have made poor choices in your life that you regret? None of you have experienced clinical depression?

She left behind a mother, a daughter, family members who love her. And that's tragic. Just as the death of our hero's in the military is tragic, just as the death of my beloved friend is going to be tragic.

I'm shocked by the lack of compassion in this thread and the vitriol I've read. Seriously.

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Would I feel sorry for your friend? No (We all bring on our vices, I smoked for 20ish years knowing the possible outcome) Will I feel sorry for her family? Yes, because they are going to have to watch her die a slow horrible death, she is not just going to go to sleep and not wake up. I am not bashing you but I am just a person that accepts death and the reasons why it happens.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Just because you are allowed to speak, doesn't mean you always should. To everyone who has been bashing the dead, have a little respect.

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Respect is a word that is thrown around a lot. Remembering a persons history can be viewed as a sign of respect, weather good or bad.


I sure quoted a lot here:O:O
Either way, some may miss her, I will not mainly because she did not have an impact on my family or my life. She died doing what she loved best be it either singing or smoking.;)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm shocked by the lack of compassion in this thread and the vitriol I've read. Seriously.

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I'm sorry, but I don't see how calling a spade a spade shows a lack of compassion. Facts by their very nature can not be perdudicial. The woman killed herself via her own actions.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I'm sorry, but I don't see how calling a spade a spade shows a lack of compassion. Facts by their very nature can not be perdudicial. The woman killed herself via her own actions.

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They haven't even released the autopsy results yet. You have no facts, unless you have some sort of special access that no one else does?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

They haven't even released the autopsy results yet. You have no facts, unless you have some sort of special access that no one else does?

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When a person gets ejected through the windshield of their car, it's no great leap of faith the say they weren't wearing a seat belt...even with out autopsy results :rolleyes:

And it is a fact that the woman was a drug addict, and not just any drug addict...she was the kind of drug addict that other drug addicts looked at and decided to sobber up.

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Originally Posted by Slim

When a person gets ejected through the windshield of their car, it's no great leap of faith the say they weren't wearing a seat belt...even with out autopsy results :rolleyes:

And it is a fact that the woman was a drug addict, and not just any drug addict...she was the kind of drug addict that other drug addicts looked at and decided to sobber up.

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Oh well, have fun sitting in your seat of judgement.

Even if it turns out the drug addiction took her life, for ME, that doesn't make the event any sadder or less tragic. I don't know what demons she was fighting in her life, but I can at least proffer my empathy for her and her family.

It's a tragic waste to see such a shining star burn out in the way that it did, no matter what the reason. And since I never walked in her shoes, it would behoove me not to judge her, particularly, since I've never lived under the microscope of fame, and I don't know what stresses and demons she dealt with on a day to day basis.

I guess if you've lived a perfect life - then judge away. Otherwise, you might want to look inside your own dirty closet and wonder if you'd want others to judge you the way some of you have judged her.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I guess if you've lived a perfect life - then judge away. Otherwise, you might want to look inside your own dirty closet and wonder if you'd want others to judge you the way some of you have judged her.

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Robin, I have not lived a perfect life, far from it, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right and responsibility to judge the world the people around me. I expect no less in return, and have been judged for my actions my whole life. No one gets a free pass.

Logic dictates that not judging the people and the world around you is akin to sticking your cranium in the sand and trusting that everything will be alright.

The whole, "Judge not, lest ye be judged" line of reasoning has it's roots in Christian mythology. While I find those stories fascinating, Christian mythology doesn't dictate how I live my life anymore than Norse, Greek, Roman, Celtic, or Hindu mythology does.

I wont get into my person history here BUT any addictions can be over come IF you want to.





My point exactly! Not everyone wins their battle though. Seems a lot of folks here have already passed judgement and the official cause has not even been released. I wont say anymore Rabernet already stated it really well...

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Oh well, have fun sitting in your seat of judgement.

Even if it turns out the drug addiction took her life, for ME, that doesn't make the event any sadder or less tragic. I don't know what demons she was fighting in her life, but I can at least proffer my empathy for her and her family.

It's a tragic waste to see such a shining star burn out in the way that it did, no matter what the reason. And since I never walked in her shoes, it would behoove me not to judge her, particularly, since I've never lived under the microscope of fame, and I don't know what stresses and demons she dealt with on a day to day basis.

I guess if you've lived a perfect life - then judge away. Otherwise, you might want to look inside your own dirty closet and wonder if you'd want others to judge you the way some of you have judged her.

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I don't think anybody is judging her I think we are being real. Was she a good person? No in my opinion she was selfish had she really loved her daughter or family she would not be a twenty year alcohol and drug abuser knowing full well the possible outcome might be. Ok maybe I am being a little judgemental but how could you not. I am not a self righteous person but I think I am a realist. I don't pretend to love or even like everybody I don't think anybody could. Someone called us haters in a earlier post nobody said they hated her just did not feel sorry for her. I think we all have judged.Negative or positive we all have a right to our opinion even if it does not fit your mold. I stand by my earlier posts.