Meet the Screwball

See now, I am torn:confused:
I was like all " ohh cool" then you "SCREWED" that!!!
Most of us are getting into balls just for the "cool what could I make" factor.
I dont want to get rich off of it and could care less if I made a new combo, I just want to have fun doing it.
Teasing is an okay thing to do but you could show life photos of the daddy, watermarks and backgrounds are hard to fake and or claim. You might have been in the snake game a long time but you sure dont know anything about protecting yourself.
I really do want to be happy for you but the way your attitude seems to change in all of your posts makes it hard.
A couple things to remember:
You posted in an open forum
You or (big name breeder) would get the same treatment from me just because I dont give a _____ either way.
You really should quit playing the "if I was a big breeder" card, its just as sad as the "race card" and people that play from that deck usually prove others right;)
AND I could add another 700 views to this thread in a couple of mins just by backing out and coming back in.

You might have "coined" the name but you also might have just made it a race to see who could copyright it first.

If you are that paranoid maybe you shouldnt be posting or using the internet at all, you can be traced:O

Sincerely,
Robert Martinez AKA pitontheprowl
Lowlife first year breeder that has only been in the game for a little over a year and make huge leaps and bounds:cool:

Wow, that is all I can say. Actually all I am going to say is it is hard to name something before ever proving it out. I hope you do have something new, a new gene to bring to the table would be amazing.

I won't touch on the personality conflict stuff.

... I will say that from what I've observed the "big guys" do, the usually teaser paradigm goes something like this:

1. Show 1-2 pictures or a few seconds' worth of video of something EXTREMELY cool.

2. Don't reveal how to make it.

3. Wait awhile, release more cool pictures of secret stuff. Let the hype build.

4. Reveal secret ingredient.

... You show the coolest, craziest combo that you can make with that morph FIRST. Then, once everybody wants one of that combo, you can start to release offspring of the "ingredient(s)" you need to make said morph. You've drummed up a huge demand for that next big thing even before anybody knew what it was.

If Tom Baker had just posted a picture of a "special" ball and said, "Hey, look, it's genetic!" nobody would've paid much mind because frankly, the special isn't all that much to look at. The crystal, though -- now that's something to drum up demand!

Ditto for the HG-woma combo stuff. The HG-woma is kinda cool looking, but what you can do with it ..!

So to the OP, I think the reason everyone is getting on your case about this (again, personality conflict aside) is because thus far, you've shown one theoretical "ingredient," which, without having seen any wacky offspring thereof, looks pretty much just like a nice pastel; and you've told a story. You haven't dropped any "bombs," so to speak. That's not to say that you aren't sitting on something cool, and it's not to say that you have to reveal the more subtle "ingredient" animals needed to make the really cool stuff. It just means that you seem to want people to talk, but right now, other than a fractious debate, you haven't given "the community" anything to talk about. Y'know?

... Again, not saying that's cause to crap on your project; just saying that's probably why nobody's ooh-ing and aww-ing. (Is that how you spell that?)

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Originally Posted by snake lab

700 people have viewed this thread in 3 days. Thats 700 people that now know the name.screwball. so when it does produce which i am convinced it will the word and buzz about the animal will always be out. I have my reasons. You may not agree but you now know of the screwball.

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Lol I hate to burst your bubble buddy... Obviously you have been keeping up with the thread constantly... So probably 100 of those clicks are you. I and a few others have obviously been keeping up with it too so that is another 500+... As for the other 100, I am sure most that most probably scrolled down to the picture and saw only a pastel and didnt bother reading the long story. So yes there are probably 20 people who will think of this thread when they here the word "screwball". I can't promise though that they will have the snake in mind.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

I will bet anything if ralph or kevin or vin came on here and posted something like this nobody on here would be saying a thing but puckering up.

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Please stop name dropping. It makes you look silly. Now that you mention it though, I don't remember a time when Ralph or Kevin or any of the other "Big Breeders" came onto these forums posting a picture of a pastel and claiming it to be something new....

I also don't recall any of them talking about some amazing new morph baby that died in the egg. Any breeder that has experienced a ball python baby that didn't survive out of the egg can tell you that even a Normal baby looks like a new morph when it hasn't fully developed.

But rest assured, if any of these big time breeders did come forward with a picture of a pastel claiming it to be a new morph, they would get called out. There are plenty of people on this wonderful forum that have absolutely no problem calling people out. :cool: We value these members here because they keep people honest, and in the end makes for more enjoyable reading.

To the OP. Just because you have years of experience doesn't mean others are less knowledgeable. You haven't insulted me, but I'm just speaking in general. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I guarantee most breeders who do this for a living have had their fair share of criticism but I can also guarantee thay handled it in a professional manner.

Im not insulting you about experience im just explaining that ive been doing this alo.g time and thats why im hesitant on posting pics of a baby that could be a fluke thing. Now if i had produced a number of them it would be a different story. I apoligize if i came across insulting you. Thats not what my intentions were. This is a game of playing mad scientist. Any way you cut it. The only ball python the way nature intended it to be is a normal. They are the the strongest in the gene pool. This is why on most of your crosses and combos you always have the percentage of babies being normal looking out of the egg. Every morph is created by manipulating the gene pool. So yes we are playing god by producing weird looking morphs. All of your morphs are created this way. Alot of the morphs that came in from the wild are produced by captive breeders in africa and then sent over. This is true. But some do come from the bush. But not the morphs you see created to a scale we have in the breeding industry. It was breeders that found out what happens when you do selective breedings or combo breedings. The reason i chose the name was cause the baby produced was nothing like the sire animal in question. So it was screwy looking. Hence the name. But to say the name screwball is somehow a derogitory name is just rediculous. What happens if someone produces a bluish colored snake. You know it will be called a blueball. This thread has gotten way off base. From what it was intended. I will take some blame for that because i have had to defend my decision not to post a pic of a baby that i cant prove without a doubt what it is. But i will have my answers this spring. I have it going back to the original normal girl i produced the baby from as well as about 5 grand worth of morph girls. So based on the fact im going to put that kind of money into a breeding shot in thw dark means i believe strongly in the outcome. So dont you think if i thought it was nothing but a pastel i wouldnt waste valuble girls on a breeding like that? Like the name or not if it does pan out it will be another new exciting morph to work with.

WOW! This is a drama filled post.I can see both sides. I'd love to see the "special baby", but I also understand why you do not what to post it until you can be sure of the genetics. Let's stop the hating and look forward to some possible new genetics(since the mother was a wild caught).

Good luck in future breeding projects, and hopefuly it will prove out and we can see some pics......:D

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Originally Posted by snake lab

What happens if someone produces a bluish colored snake. You know it will be called a blueball.

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Ugghh...let's hope not...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by sho220

Ugghh...let's hope not...:rolleyes:

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I second that.

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Originally Posted by MS2

WOW! This is a drama filled post.

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"Meet the XXXXXX" posts usually are...

Meet one of my "screwballs"..

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...99a7447fba.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics035.jpg

And here's this "bro" posing with him..

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...sPics004-1.jpg

Let me guess...

Yours has creamy ivory colored sides with almost no real yellow to speak of. A color that a camera just doesn't pick up the right way. Insane top blushing and white and ivory speckled areas on the lower sides with a tiny bit of dark pepper spots around those spots. Pixelation.

And babies that hatch pretty much translucent with either a pink or ivory yellow tint to them.. With a head so light that it rivals a super pastel.

Nice pastel jungle but no where close to the animal i posted. And to clear up once again for the 500 time. I havent said a thing about experience in a demeaning way. I have noted experience for why i didnt want to post pics of a baby till i know what im dealing with. And i have experienced the shady side of this buisness back in the days of all the what if animals being thrown all over the place back in the early 2000s when every one was trying to pass bush babies off as something else and killin people on the prices. And for those that say yea im in it for the fun and not the money, then congrats on doing what ya do but this is an industry that was created and fueled by the chase for the more expensive morph. It is what it is. Its a multi million dollar a year industry that keeps getting bigger. I too love the aspect of producing cool looking animals but i wouldnt be working with the animals i am if there wasnt a payoff. And if there wasnt a payoff you wouldnt have the morphs you have today so it is a necessary evil that has created that chance for you to work with tgose animals otherwise they wouldnt exist. And i wasnt name droppin mike i was making a point that the big named breeders are not gonna show you what all is in their bag of tricks until they have a way to market the animal. Its this reason alone that they have created such a lucritive buisness for themselves and the industry. If they just told you upfront what they were doing then everyone would jump on it and flood the market bringing prices down. Just like what happened with spiders. I remember when spiders were upwards around 20 grand and now a male spider is 35 bucks on the wholesale market and 75 on the classifieds. So dont hate the player hate the game. Its the same game you are in. But to reiterate one last time. I am not claiming my experience makes me any smarter in breeding and producing animals. It does however makes me aware of certain shady parts of this industry. So like ive said from the start i have my reasons. Like it or hate they are my reasons, my decisions and i own that.

No where close? It looks pretty much identical. Taking into consideration the differences in cameras and lighting, the only difference is yours has a couple patches where it's missing the normal "browning" of a pastel.

Having some missing melanin is not that uncommon in pastels.

Wether or not yours has a hidden gene, that's up to you to prove, but until then, it's really just a nice pastel.

Like someone else earlier said, you can't give it a new name if it's a pastel. Certain pastels have "lines" like lemon, blonde, etc.. But they are still pastels.

The one above that i posted is a blonde produced by Will Slough. Who I believe is currently not breeding but he is one of the 2 original breeders who acquired the banana/coral glow ball and proved it out. He was one of the so-called "big name breeders" you like to keep talking about, but one who was very unsocial and preferred to stay that way.

What I'm saying is, in my opinion, you may not even have a new line in your possession. You may have just gotten some new blood of an already existent line. It's really a shame that the unusual baby you speak of died so soon. I mean that. Had it survived, you would have known within a couple weeks if it was just another one the sire, or if it really was something new.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

So dont hate the player hate the game.

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lol....did you type that with a straight face???

Ok i get the point. Naming it or not naiming it. I get the point people want to make. Like it or not it is what it is. Should i have just named it after my last name and added pastel behind it like others have done in the past? Lol. I am not an arrogant person nor an ignorant person and i dont think for one second that my experience in the industry makes me any smarter then someone whos just been in it a year. All i wanted to do was share a story of an animal and what i think is going on with it. It may look like one thing but it has produced something different. I know what babies look like out the egg. I have produced thousands of babies and all i know is in this instance it doesnt look like anything i have seen. And please people im not saying ive produced thpusands of babies for any of you to bash me on that.lol im not saying im better then anyone again im just going back to my experience tells me thetes something going on. Maybe it was an under developed animal? Maybe it had something going on related to health. I dont know. Im just playing mad scientist. Similar thing happened to me last year when i hatched a clutch from an ivory to yellowbelly breeding. It was horrible suck odds but no ivories. Just yellowbellies. Now it was only a 5 egg clutch but still ahould have been at least one ivory. Now get this. None of the babies had the classic shatter pattern or anything else that looked like yellowbelly traits but nomatter what all the babies are yellowbellies because i used an ivory in the breeding. They all look normal so alot of things can happen without reasonable explanation.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Should i have just named it after my last name and added pastel behind it like others have done in the past?

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I would just call it a "Pastel" until proven otherwise. And buy a better camera. Your pictures stink. If it proves to be something special we want better pictures. :D

Its not my camera. I had the resolution turned down cause i needed too to post some animals on ks and forgot to turn back up. If it makes ya feel better ill take better pics but something tells me better pics will just give you guys something more to talk about. Im all about a good debate.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

No where close? It looks pretty much identical.

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Well I wouldn't go that far.. Your "screwball" looks much better then is IMHO... just sayin....

Hahahah cavanaugh you have had an axe to grind with me from the start so i wouldnt expect anything else.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Any breeder that has experienced a ball python baby that didn't survive out of the egg can tell you that even a Normal baby looks like a new morph when it hasn't fully developed.

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This is exactly what I was thinking this could be.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Hahahah cavanaugh you have had an axe to grind with me from the start so i wouldnt expect anything else.

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:D at least I am consistent. I hope it does prove out for you. I would be the first to eat my words... I'm kinda like a fungus. In time I will grow on you.

Hahahah. Its all good man i appreciate it i hope it works out too otherwise ill be lookin like an idiot but hey sometimes when ya feel strongly in something ya got too and sometimes its the strong convictions that make ya look like an idiot lol.

Can u just put a picture up already please. Also you kinda just popped up on this site as a new member made claims didnt back them up then attacked like a child in an arguement " i know him and him and him..., my dads bigger..., i been around longer, you know nothing but, im new here and wont say my name, but im big." and attack others who ask ligitimate questions and turned this into a brawl at points.

I can so i am no super breeder or a breeder yet lol but within a few years i plan to be the largest breeder of ball pythons in the niagra region and within 7 or so maybe even southern ontario (big task but im ready). My name is Gordon Gillard im 24 none of you know me at all, i havnt produced any clutches yet beacuse ive allowed my animals to grow large and healthier. Im waiting for a few things with in a month i will double my racks and pick up large normal girls or rescues already have 3, and double my breeding capiblities. I love everyone of my animals. I oringally got into this "industry/hooby" because of ball pythons i got to play with all the time as a child. Im not doing this for money but after realizing i had to fight and out bid ppl for every snake in my area and ppl asking to buy them and their babies in the future, im hoping this could be not only a hobby i love but a bit of pocket cash. Ive been lucky enough to own my animals for just over a year and a half but have a great knowledge of them for over 10 yrs. I know no one big, i own 9 snakes, but i know when something stinks. Sorry snake lab but u smelt fishy to me. but still peace an love :D

I dont play mad scientist because im combining natural genes, not making a liger. we are breeders not "god".

So picture please......... and ill be the 1st person to side with u from the doubters if its not an under developed or just an improperlly pigmented baby like a pink baby.

I dont need anyone on my side. The only reason i joined this site recentlly was to keep in touch with a couple people who have bought animals in the past. I dont need to or am trying to prove any points. That was not the point of this thread. Obviouslly some have turned it into something else. I never attacked anyone in this thread. I simply explained my position and because i wont do what some of you want me to do you go on the attack. I dont expect all of you to understand my point of view on this. Was it premature to post this ? Maybe but i dont care. I know what im workin with. Its not like i have a couple snakes and all my eggs in one basket. I expect about 50 clutches this year. That does not make me a big breeder. That makes me a breeder set up to have a pretty decent spring. I also keep getting accused of somehow making myself better then others because of my experience. Im in no way saying that at all. But 15 years of breeding snakes on the level i have been allows me to know what im talking about. Im not one of these guys that just got into this with a ton of cash and am a self proclaimed ball python guru. I worked my way up by trying alot of different things and using proven methods to achieve what i have. Now you can put your personal spin on that at run with it how you want but it is what it is. Oppinions. And you know what they say about those.