I Am Curious !!!! Anyone else ever have it happen ?

These are the types of happenings that make me be overly excited! Thank you for sharing the amazing pictures!

As a breeder who has been doing this for a long time, I feel it is my duty to inject some rational thought into this thread, so bear with me if you will:
For those of you who have been misinformed about cutting eggs early, allow me to clarify: it is not only irresponsible and dangerous to cut eggs HALFWAY through incubation, but it's a great way to ensure that all babies will end up dead.
Look for yourself at the pics; that toxic waste that those three babies have been sitting in for the last few weeks, stinking to high heaven, being poked at and touched, absorbing that disgusting "yolk" out in the open air collecting bacteria and putrifying for 25 days.
Smart move? Nope.
"OK"? Nope.
Congratulations on kinda producing triplets, too bad you treated them so poorly.
Any responsible breeder who has a shred of intelligence, experience or common sense would realize that cutting that early is dangerous and maroonic.
Shame on you Sir.
Everyone here should know that you are clearly on the fringe of this hobby in your beliefs regarding egg treatment and your actions are not to be respected or emulated.

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Originally Posted by mykee

For those of you who have been misinformed about cutting eggs early, allow me to clarify: it is not only irresponsible and dangerous to cut eggs HALFWAY through incubation, but it's a great way to ensure that all babies will end up dead.
Look for yourself at the pics; that toxic waste that those three babies have been sitting in for the last few weeks, stinking to high heaven, being poked at and touched, absorbing that disgusting "yolk" out in the open air collecting bacteria and putrifying for 25 days.
Smart move? Nope.
"OK"? Nope.
Any responsible breeder who has a shred of intelligence, experience or common sense would realize that cutting that early is dangerous and maroonic.
Shame on you Sir.
Everyone here should know that you are clearly on the fringe of this hobby in your beliefs regarding egg treatment and your actions are not to be respected or emulated.

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LOL , and your entitled to your opinion . thanks for sharing ..

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Originally Posted by mykee

As a breeder who has been doing this for a long time, I feel it is my duty to inject some rational thought into this thread, so bear with me if you will:
For those of you who have been misinformed about cutting eggs early, allow me to clarify: it is not only irresponsible and dangerous to cut eggs HALFWAY through incubation, but it's a great way to ensure that all babies will end up dead.
Look for yourself at the pics; that toxic waste that those three babies have been sitting in for the last few weeks, stinking to high heaven, being poked at and touched, absorbing that disgusting "yolk" out in the open air collecting bacteria and putrifying for 25 days.
Smart move? Nope.
"OK"? Nope.
Congratulations on kinda producing triplets, too bad you treated them so poorly.
Any responsible breeder who has a shred of intelligence, experience or common sense would realize that cutting that early is dangerous and maroonic.
Shame on you Sir.
Everyone here should know that you are clearly on the fringe of this hobby in your beliefs regarding egg treatment and your actions are not to be respected or emulated.

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Toxic Waste ? guess your not looking at the pics i am thats the fluid that was in the eggs when cut ..

Stinking to hi Heaven ? im sorry but they dont stink dont know where your getting that from . i dont ever remember you coming by and seeing them in person ..

Treated them bad ? where has that happened ?

Yes it can be dangerous for those with no experience in cutting eggs which i stated earlier in a post its not for everyone .

Im actually very intelligent and i myself know of alot of BIG breeders that cut early as well .

maroonic ? if your going to attempt to insult me least have the courtesy to spell it correctly .


on the fringe of this hobby ? i have been doing this for 14+ years and again like i said earlier i know plenty of BIG breeders that also cut early, its where i found out about it ..


and as far as dead babies go, i have had 100% hatch rate (other then just losing 1 pinstripe in the triplets clutch )and after careful examination of the baby it was deformed and wasnt going to term weather i cut my eggs or not . and i have sold hundreds of animals and everyone who has bought babies from me (according to you my poorly treated babies) , have always come back telling how well they are coming along and they couldnt be happier with them ..

but again , your able to say what u think so thanks for your input

That. Is. Awesome.

They should be close to poking their heads out! Keep us updated, also, it was the same spider who sired both the triplets and the twins? Nice.

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Originally Posted by Sama

They should be close to poking their heads out! Keep us updated, also, it was the same spider who sired both the triplets and the twins? Nice.

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Yes it was the Pinstripe and Spider that sired the triplets clutch and the same Spider sired the twins clutch
Sunday marks day 50 ( i checked my calendar ) so should be next 3 days they will start pipping

LOL........awesome.......maroonic........lol.......congrats on the triplets........

Jason

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

...next 3 days they will start pipping

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I have to wait three more days??!!! :taz::taz::taz:

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Originally Posted by GoFride

I have to wait three more days??!!! :taz::taz::taz:

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SORRY !!!! :rofl: :rofl: all my eggs start at day 52 hatching/pipping like clock work .. if i have to wait then you do to LOL...

but with the triplets i dont know if they will follow the same as all the others or take longer only time will tell

Hopefully they do, but like you said, it wouldn't be a surprise if they take a little longer. Sure hope they do well!

Man you all are not gonna :cens0r: believe this .
I woke up today to see the eggs starting to pip . got 1 Pinstripe pipping and the Egg with the triplets as well .. watch the video cause your in for a shock . QUADRUPLETS .
this has been a Weird road for me , first i thought they were Twins , and then i find a 3rd body and they turn out to be triplets and NOW since they have piped it turns out theres 4 babies in the egg .
now with that many babies in the egg im hoping they make it thru and survive .


Sorry my videos arent better im still gettin the hang of makin em with the digital camera


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DpCkHeKdE

....... I'm speechless. :O :weirdface :O

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Originally Posted by JLC

....... I'm speechless. :O :weirdface :O

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your not the only 1 JLC , hell of a thing to wake up to im still getting over the shock value from it

Quadruplets! :O Wow - that's just incredible! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that one little guy (or girl) :please: Keep us posted - thanks!

Thats insane I hope they all make it

Amazing.

Too bad about the one little guy, but with that many competing for space and nutrients it's a wonder that any of them are looking good.

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

Amazing.

Too bad about the one little guy, but with that many competing for space and nutrients it's a wonder that any of them are looking good.

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ya thats what i was thinking when i first saw he was deformed i was also surprised when i didnt see more with the same problem . just keeping my fingers crossed..

OMG!!! Can't wait to see them out of the egg! Sorry the one is deformed :(

congrats on the quadruplets!!!
now i have to ask.....
what if any benefit do you or the snakes have to be cut so early?
cutting is controversial to begin with and i know alot of big breeders as well. most who cut early that i know cut at day 50. i personally dont see any benefit other that satisfying your own curiosity, but if there is any benefit i would like to know.
thanks
adam jeffery

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Originally Posted by GoFride

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that one little guy (or girl) :please: Keep us posted - thanks!

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I am too but I think that the degree of deformity I'm seeing is probably incompatable with life. I can't see it clearly, but it looks like major craniofacial deformity. The skull seems to be so small that the eyes are displaced outwardly and there doesn't seem to be much maxillary or mandibular structure there.

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Originally Posted by adamjeffery

congrats on the quadruplets!!!
now i have to ask.....
what if any benefit do you or the snakes have to be cut so early?
cutting is controversial to begin with and i know alot of big breeders as well. most who cut early that i know cut at day 50. i personally dont see any benefit other that satisfying your own curiosity, but if there is any benefit i would like to know.
thanks
adam jeffery

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Personal Preference i guess , and also for educating myself on growth of babies . tracking times of development .

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

I am too but I think that the degree of deformity I'm seeing is probably incompatable with life. I can't see it clearly, but it looks like major craniofacial deformity. The skull seems to be so small that the eyes are displaced outwardly and there doesn't seem to be much maxillary or mandibular structure there.

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Yes you are correct again i apologize for my lack of video production lol .
but i honestly feel he/she wont make it due to the deformed structure of the head .

I don't think it's your production. It's very hard to get a good shot of stuff that is wet and reflective. But I can see that a lot of jaw structure appears to be missing, and what is there doesn't look to be formed well. And the front of the skull looks constricted--when this happens in animal's I've bred (mammals) they can't usually feed and tube feeding something forever to try keep it alive when it will never be able to feed....to me that just seems cruel.

I've seen similar once before when a field next to my house was sprayed when a female hound was about 2 weeks pregnant. All of her pups except two were grossly deformed and we had them destroyed the same day by the vet. It looked like parts of their face and per the vet digestive system didn't form at all.

Well im not 100% sure they will survive the total process of hatching , due to the fact of them all fighting over the same food source . Only time will tell .

that is awesome! Hope that they make it!!

Yeah. I'm just taking a wild guess here but I wouldn't be surprised that the reason that little guy is deformed is that there just weren't enough nutrients there at a critical stage in his development.

I don't think that it could possibly have anything to do with husbandry. That would have to have been spot on for any of the snakes to survive to hatching given the scant resources each hatchling would have had when one egg's worth of nutrients were divvied up four ways. Nature has selected against ball pythons having more than one hatchling in a single egg because they need the nutrients in that egg to survive. Man, I'd break my arm patting myself on the back if I were able to get something like those four to survive as long as they have--conditions had to be perfect for them to have gotten this far on so little.

That's cool dude!! Congrats on the quad egg, sorry about the one but I am sending some good luck vibes your way for all of them bro :salute:

That's pretty amazing, congratulations! I agree that the deformed one doesn't look like it will be able to survive on its own, but I hope the other three all emerge healthy.

that's ridiculous

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I am totally speechless. I was speechless with the twins, even more so with the trips, but I am dumbfounded now. Holy crap. I hope they all make it. But I will agree with what youre thinking that the deformed baby is too much so to live a healthy life. I am truly sorry about that.
You have quite the sire on your hands. I'm curious to know if he came from twins. As it goes with humans twins are more likely to produce twins, and families with twins have a more instances of it in their family trees. It would be interesting if that was the case here. I can't imagine how small they must be. My partner on a few projects had twins last year and they were incredibly small. Quads. Well wow.
Well best of luck to you guys. It's intense that they've come so far.

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I cannot believe that.. quadruplets... AND with a double sired clutch! Definitely extreme to the MAX luck there!! Good luck with them :)

tell them to hurry up..

I hope that most of those little guys make it.. I can't wait to see the weight on them things!!! lol I have seen how tiny TWINS are when they hatch..

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Originally Posted by Miss Tuniwha

tell them to hurry up..

I hope that most of those little guys make it.. I can't wait to see the weight on them things!!! lol I have seen how tiny TWINS are when they hatch..

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well regardless if they do or dont make it i will weigh them separately and post an update . and i will also weigh the twins when they finally hatch out of the other clutch .

sub'd for update. Amazing btw. I, too, wish you luck with the quads.

I actually wonder if Quadruplets in BP eggs is some kind of record . and if it is a record lol does it still count if they dont make it . :weirdface

Well you certainly have video documentation :gj:

Thats pretty cool! What a hack job on those eggs! Not much left to them! I think the deformity is not only caused by the lack of nutrition but the lack of space as well!

i would say it still counts. and maybe, just maybe, the deformity isnt as bad as it looks. one could only hope.

Wow! talk about a clutch that should have a live webcam! Sure hope the 3 make it! How are the twins?

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Originally Posted by Sama

Wow! talk about a clutch that should have a live webcam! Sure hope the 3 make it! How are the twins?

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Twins are doing fine and getting fat

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Originally Posted by seeya205

Thats pretty cool! What a hack job on those eggs! Not much left to them! I think the deformity is not only caused by the lack of nutrition but the lack of space as well!

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Hack job ? wth u talkin bout? , LOL thats a pretty clean cut all around .. had to open it up so it would expand out better to give em little more room to move..

i had one set of twins this year and they weighed 28 grams and 26 grams each. both were the same morph and the same sex. they were het red axanthic's. both took about a month to shed and ate immediately afterward.
i cant fathom to guess what these 4 will weigh.
adam jeffery

This is absolutely wild! I've never seen anything like it! Sorry about the malformed one. I hope the rest thrive for you. :gj:

Wow. I'm just floored by this whole story. Good luck with them!

WOW this is some story and thread!

So how many survived?

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Originally Posted by AliCat37

So how many survived?

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still in process of hatching .

I am really intrigued by these hatchlings. I hope the malformed one makes it and can function!

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

I am really intrigued by these hatchlings. I hope the malformed one makes it and can function!

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well with the severity of the deformation if it were to survive it wouldnt be able to function as far as eating wise ..
but so far they are still pulling thru . time will tell