Desert Lesser x Desert Spider female

Robyn,

As usual thanks the response. With all this talk going on everyone is anxious to see what the outcome here is. I wish you guys luck and I really want it to work out for you. I have a female as well and to be honest I can't wait to get her to size. I have to say I think deserts are just beautiful animals, maybe it's just my thing :) please keep us posted. Its also great that you guys have been keeping the communication open, keeping us in the loop. Heres fingers crossed for you guys!

Word came today of a new Desert female clutch in a Euro collection. We have sent quite a few PE Deserts that way in the last couple of years. Hoping to hear more details and see some pics soon!

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Originally Posted by Robyn@SYR

Our females are still copping. We have removed all supplemental heat in their cages, going after a new theory. Follicles have grown a bit, and cops are still occuring, but the normal rate of breeding progression is not there, which I would think has to do with lack of heat.

But the Desert females that have been bred in the past had no supplemental heat, so we are rolling with that approach. Hopefully slow and steady will get us to where we want to be. It is just extra slow.

As for the Desert clutch posted on KS, it is past hatch date, but I haven't seen a peep from that breeder again since the day he posted the clutch.

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Everything is great with desert females. You see no difference in them. They grow and breed just fine....YET....you are "going after a new theory"when it comes to breeding them. Doesn't that seem just a leeeetle strange to anyone else?:confused::confused: The only way BG is gonna change up the way he breeds his snakes is if all he and everyone else has had is FAILURE when it comes to the "conventional" way. Just a thought.

Don't be scared people. Ask the hard questions that need to be asked.

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Originally Posted by Robyn@SYR

Word came today of a new Desert female clutch in a Euro collection. We have sent quite a few PE Deserts that way in the last couple of years. Hoping to hear more details and see some pics soon!

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Can't wait to hear about this clutch. BG will add it to his report.:gj:

From what I've read some have posted egg bound females "due to heat" and the female's size. There is at least one report of a female passing away due to this and the fact that is was reportedly 1200-1400 grams, small, but in most respects breed-able. Now if he says he hasn't tried breeding, I'll have to take him at his word on this, why wouldn't he do the smart thing and heed others warning?

Robyn, Chad and Stan didn't create the desert ball python they were found in the wild, they simply are breeders that imported them and found them to be an interesting morph. Robyn, nor Pro exotics are responsible for any issues these females may have. I think it's smart of him to weight till the females are of appropriate size, 1800+ to be safe, and use any methods to increase the chances of her producing successfully.

That being said, yes, if they (PE) know factually that there is an issue (sterility, reproductive issues) with this morph then that should be disclosed to those of us sounding 4k+ on a snake which we believe to be an "investment" in producing more deserts and desert combos. I have no evidence to date that this is the case. He (Robyn) has cleared stated what he "knows" or "thinks". Of course being one of the top producers of deserts his reputation, and maybe even livelihood, could be at stake. Why not do what you can to insure propagation of the morph?

Robyn, I say go for it. Try what you must, want, think, etc. There are many of us anxiously waiting on an outcome. 1,2 even 10 failures (expression of thought here, I have not personally heard of a given number of reports) does not constitute a failure in my mind. I've seen females never produce for a breeder only to do so for another on the first go. Good luck with your breeding plans. If you fail let us know, if you succeed let us know.

Please note, this response is not a denotation of agreeance with anyone. If BG has something to show I'm open to see it, as I'm sure are others. If Robyn has something to share we are equally open. Thanks!

Fred.

*wait not weight, *spending not sounding, sorry a few typos there.. iPhone..

Any updates? This should be due soon, right?

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Originally Posted by Focal X

Any updates? This should be due soon, right?

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Since you do not seem to be aware Pro Exotic have lost their entire BP collection to a fire.

"The Pro Exotics facility suffered utter devastation on Monday morning, September 26th, 2011. Robyn@PE got a call from the alarm company at 5:45 a.m. that smoke was pouring out of the building. He arrived at the facility at 6:10 a.m. to find the smoke increasing and fire crews on the scene."

Wiped out there collection. No updates because all have perished in the collection! Tragic

i am still bummed to hear that the desert combo in this thread didn't make it :(

P.s. the post was almost a year ago lol.

i know. seemed like there was progress and then the fire ruined it.

I hope desert females prove fertile because I saw an add for $700.

saw one for 500 a 2012 hatchling... I just cant bring myself to buy a female even for 500...

Please tell me u got eggs from this clutch I just got a desert male and am gonna breed him next year with plans on keeping females but I heard females won't lay viable eggs have u hadany luck

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Originally Posted by Rallisonreptiles

Please tell me u got eggs from this clutch I just got a desert male and am gonna breed him next year with plans on keeping females but I heard females won't lay viable eggs have u hadany luck

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You sir, have made a grave mistake.

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Originally Posted by Rallisonreptiles

Please tell me u got eggs from this clutch I just got a desert male and am gonna breed him next year with plans on keeping females but I heard females won't lay viable eggs have u hadany luck

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You are very likely out of luck on your females.... I hope you plan to keep them or find an outlet for them as pets.

Furthermore, you REALLY need to do a lot more research, as it seems the mortality rate for Desert females during breeding is unacceptably high.

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Originally Posted by Rallisonreptiles

Please tell me u got eggs from this clutch I just got a desert male and am gonna breed him next year with plans on keeping females but I heard females won't lay viable eggs have u hadany luck

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You do realize that Pro Exotics has lost their entire collection in a fire last year right?

As for holding back female desert there are many threads out there which will help you make the right decision I am sure.

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Originally Posted by Rallisonreptiles

Please tell me u got eggs from this clutch I just got a desert male and am gonna breed him next year with plans on keeping females but I heard females won't lay viable eggs have u hadany luck

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I hope the person that sold you this male gave you the scoop on what is going on with the females.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Furthermore, you REALLY need to do a lot more research, as it seems the mortality rate for Desert females during breeding is unacceptably high.

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This statement made me wonder, When exactly did people start thinking there were problems and when did the knowledge become public? How many years were these animals being produced/sold before research via internet would have given you any hint about female fertility issues? Even now you have to know what to search for, and where, to come up with any useful information. I think this is pretty sad seeing as the morph has been around for over 10 years. I think it's sad that as a buyer I'm expected to ask the seller, "so, what kind of health issues can I expect from this morph?", and get an honest answer. Something new comes around and the first priority seems to be $$$ most of the time.. /end rant