Big Gunns answer to a pm from JLC

I have watched the Cove and don't agree with what is going on. Should something be done? Yes. From what I have seen on the Cove I don't see too much wrong with how they are handling it, I don't find it illegal. I can't say what I think should be done as approving illegal actions is not allowed on the site but it would involve role reversal in that cove.........only way people really start to listen is when **** gets real and real FAST.
As for the Sea Shepards in Antarctica, I find them quite annoying. Everything they do has little to no thought going into it. Their ships are too slow and the only thing they can do is paint the ship red. Looks like child's play to me, if your going to do something, do it right.
NOW on top of that, what they are doing and what they should be doing is an ACT OF WAR on Japan. They are illegally interfering with Japans trade and the only reason why they are getting away with any of this is because they have a show. Idc if Japan is lying or not. People lie ALL THE TIME, I mean hell look at BP and all the other companies that are in corporate America today. Illegal dumping, oil spills, hides from animals. I don't see anyone protesting them or these other causes. I guess people just have to have a cause to do what they do, and maybe whales are their cause. Soooo technically they only care about the whales and dolphins, ignoring EVERY OTHER animal. Really they and everyone apart of their team is just as closed minded as everyone else. But that's right, no one want to hear that. I mean the wild Tiger population is about to go EXTINCT but no one is helping with that. Reptiles in other countries are being killed ALIVE for their skin, where are the protesters?
Everything ANYBODY does is about making a name for themselves, whether you like to hear it or not. Would I love to go around the world and save the animals? Yes, but it’s not realistic. Getting a real job, doing what you can locally, and supporting (if you have one) your family is more important. You just have to see it from a logical perspective. If you save the whales and dolphins, what’s next? There will always be something and that’s just the facts. I really don’t like it but can you really stop humans nature to be like a virus and take over everything in the way? And I know…….”but we can try”. And like I said power to you. But I am arguing with myself now and can’t really decide on what is right. Because what is right, is really wrong but needs to be done to make things right, but then you do the “right” thing in a wrong way. So does that make it right?

On a side note.....if Japan EVER decides that this is an act of war, they have every right to blow the Sea Shepards out of the water. Now this would pose the issue if the countries who lost men on the ships, if they want to retaliate. So it has gone from "saving the whales" to a war.......

It's all really a catch 22.

I do agree with anatess though as a whole humans need to go out and do something. I personally wish I could have helped out with the BP oil spill effort but when we (my girl and I) got in contact with the effort they only wanted marine biologist. But I do enjoy educating students of NCSU on the wild reptiles that live in NC and over all the joy to own have a reptile along with showing them that all myths that they hear about the snakes aren't what they are cracked up to be.
But yes simple things can be done, even as simple as adopting from a shelter the new family pet. Yes we all like blood lines but all companion animals need love too! :D

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Originally Posted by Jeremy78

I would also like to be the first and only to thank you for your amazing contributions to this thread as well :D.

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I agree with Jim. Just because you're the loudest, doesn't mean you're right...this thread is not about saving anything...it's about Big Gunns...look at me! Look what I'm doing! I can hear him patting himself on the back from here! :D

BG, did you really have to go half way around the world to find a worthy cause?

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

BG refuses to quit. BG is really stubborn like that.

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Nothing wrong with being stubborn

I think all this bickering about who is doing what in the world and who is making the most change is a bit childish.

The fact is, who the heck cares if BG is patting himself on the back and saying "Look at me! Look at me!" The point is he is actually DOING something positive for animals, the planet, and ultimately people. I mean, whales were one of my favorite animals growing up. Wouldn't it suck if my grandchildren grew up with whales listed as extinct?

Not everyone can support EVERY cause. People pick and choose what they support. You can only stretch yourself but so much. I think that ANYONE who actually gets off their behind and DOES SOMETHING, is worthy of a pat on the back. Any action that moves in a positive direction is for the betterment of everyone. So they dedicate themselves to whales...and what if they succeed and Japan stops whaling? I agree that their methods are not the best, but at least they are doing something.

BG, I say thank you for your efforts and thank you to EVERYONE who contributes to a cause.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

I think all this bickering about who is doing what in the world and who is making the most change is a bit childish.

The fact is, who the heck cares if BG is patting himself on the back and saying "Look at me! Look at me!" The point is he is actually DOING something positive for animals, the planet, and ultimately people. I mean, whales were one of my favorite animals growing up. Wouldn't it suck if my grandchildren grew up with whales listed as extinct?

Not everyone can support EVERY cause. People pick and choose what they support. You can only stretch yourself but so much. I think that ANYONE who actually gets off their behind and DOES SOMETHING, is worthy of a pat on the back. Any action that moves in a positive direction is for the betterment of everyone. So they dedicate themselves to whales...and what if they succeed and Japan stops whaling? I agree that their methods are not the best, but at least they are doing something.

BG, I say thank you for your efforts and thank you to EVERYONE who contributes to a cause.

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I really don't think anyone is saying what he is doing is not a good thing. It's just the people who he is working under/with is what people are having a problem with.
As far as benefits to the human race.........not so much. Lowering the amount of dolphins and whales eaten to lower mercury levels, yes but other than that not so much. Yes it would be a shame to not have these animals around, but really how much do you miss the dinosaurs? If you never known them to exist do you really miss them? Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

There is when BG wants something you may have.:D

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Haha, very true. My condolences to whomever has to deal with your stubborn behind when the time comes :P:D;)

By the way, I sent you a message on here! Check it when ya got time.

This thread has turned into hours of entertainment (literally I just spent an hour reading through it).
The cove and whale wars are a little controversial, some of their methods do border on vigilantism, however something does need to be done and sometimes it’s the only way to get the attention necessary to make changes to current policy. There are many different ways to contribute to our planet BG is doing what works best for him and like all people he wants to be recognized for his efforts, he is louder than most, but he is a narcissist (come on look at your screen name and back shots, great lat’s by the way) and what narcissist doesn’t like attention (which is why he especially loves his haters, your all giving him attention). I see where he is coming from by choosing to help animals, I’m not a people person either, when Katrina happened I went to New Orleans to help out animal control and provide my services as a vet tech. The charities that I give time and money to, all have to do with animals or children because they don’t have the means to help themselves. So I say keep it up, Neil if this helps you feel like you are making a difference well, God bless you and keep it up and who gives a crap what anyone else says.

Guys,

We are trying very hard not to toss this thread into QT or flat out delete it.

But we cannot allow these constant personal attacks and name calling either.

Please try and stay within the boundaries or, if you cannot stop yourself, turn that aspect into PM's between yourselves.

Or, you know, the ignore feature is still available to all but the unfortunate staff. :rolleyes:


dr del

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Not another confession of one of your dreams of Big Gunns is it?:rofl:

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:rolleyes: Oh BG, lol. I assure you it's not.

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Originally Posted by ed4281

This thread has turned into hours of entertainment (literally I just spent an hour reading through it).
The cove and whale wars are a little controversial, some of their methods do border on vigilantism, however something does need to be done and sometimes it’s the only way to get the attention necessary to make changes to current policy. There are many different ways to contribute to our planet BG is doing what works best for him and like all people he wants to be recognized for his efforts, he is louder than most, but he is a narcissist (come on look at your screen name and back shots, great lat’s by the way) and what narcissist doesn’t like attention (which is why he especially loves his haters, your all giving him attention). I see where he is coming from by choosing to help animals, I’m not a people person either, when Katrina happened I went to New Orleans to help out animal control and provide my services as a vet tech. The charities that I give time and money to, all have to do with animals or children because they don’t have the means to help themselves. So I say keep it up, Neil if this helps you feel like you are making a difference well, God bless you and keep it up and who gives a crap what anyone else says.

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It's funny what you said about kids and animals because BG feels the same way.:gj: However, BG has visited countries where the adults clearly needed help also from no fault of their own.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I gotta apologize to you. I called you a "baboon" a few posts back........

Even though it was done in an affectionate way, I understand that it was hurtful and unfair to both you and any baboons that may read this.

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In other words. Your comment got no reaction from BG the first time so you said it again hoping it might work this time. Sorry to disappoint you.....again:P BG will admit though. It was very clever on your part.....not:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dr del

Guys,

We are trying very hard not to toss this thread into QT or flat out delete it.

But we cannot allow these constant personal attacks and name calling either.

Please try and stay within the boundaries or, if you cannot stop yourself, turn that aspect into PM's between yourselves.

Or, you know, the ignore feature is still available to all but the unfortunate staff. :rolleyes:


dr del

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BG does have a suggestion. You could very easily move the bickering back and forth posts on the thread between BG and his haters to the QT(it's been done before)..... there it will die a slow death because Willy has scared BG to death and he won't enter to keep the thread alive.:D The whole thread should end then, but don't worry fans, BG will post another to keep your BG entertainment fix fulfilled.:D

BG will say this in his defense Doc. Big Gunns only uses his personal nicknames for his fans/obsessed haters. Just like he calls you Doc.

ps. You do realize that getting this thread to the QT is what they've been trying to do all along. You're a Doc...maybe you can help them with their BG sickness.:D

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Originally Posted by shescountry89

:rolleyes: Oh BG, lol. I assure you it's not this time.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

One more thing. BG might have quite a few characteristics(OK more than a few:D) of a "narcissist", but if you think BG doesn't care about others and their feelings.....you have never met BG. BG would much rather spend his time with a typical "everyday" person. BG hates the true "narcissist" and has met quite a few in this bizz.:rage:

Ok,

Some portions of this thread have been moved to the Quarantine room and can now be found here.

Anyone who wishes access should contact any member of the Admin team (names in red in the userlist ).

Since there were both good and less desirable aspects to several post this may result in this thread now seeming somewhat disjointed. Sorry about that but I did my best.


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Ok,

Some portions of this thread have been moved to the Quarantine room and can now be found here.

Anyone who wishes access should contact any member of the Admin team (names in red in the userlist ).

Since there were both good and less desirable aspects to several post this may result in this thread now seeming somewhat disjointed. Sorry about that but I did my best.


dr del

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Good job Doc. BG didn't look to see what you did, but he's sure you did your best.:gj:

BG hates that it had to come to that, but he knows you guys are trying to run a family oriented forum here.

Big Gunns wasn't trying to cause a headache for you guys, but it was pretty much a given in BG's mind that it would turn out like it did.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

One more thing. BG might have quite a few characteristics(OK more than a few:D) of a "narcissist", but if you think BG doesn't care about others and their feelings.....you have never met BG. BG would much rather spend his time with a typical "everyday" person. BG hates the true "narcissist" and has met quite a few in this bizz.:rage:

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I never thought you were a true narcissist BG, but based on your posts and the fact that you write in third person most of the time, well there are some traits:D like you said.

Did you spit in Wilomn's cheerios he really hates you, like it's almost scary.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Ok,

Some portions of this thread have been moved to the Quarantine room and can now be found here.

Anyone who wishes access should contact any member of the Admin team (names in red in the userlist ).

Since there were both good and less desirable aspects to several post this may result in this thread now seeming somewhat disjointed. Sorry about that but I did my best.


dr del

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Oh, okay I see. I ask for this thread to go to QT and I get the owner telling me the mods will do it when they think it needs to be done. But BG makes mention of it and within minutes it's done.

What's going on here. Who's running the show here?

Come on Judy!
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Oh, okay I see. I ask for this thread to go to QT and I get the owner telling me the mods will do it when they think it needs to be done. But BG makes mention of it and within minutes it's done.

What's going on here. Who's running the show here?

Come on Judy!
Jim Smith

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Mr. Smith, the staff does not take action just because a member stamps his foot like a petulant preschooler. This "show" is run by the Admin Team and I don't expect you, or any single individual, to agree with or like every single decision we make. I won't bother with the ridiculous comment that implies that BG somehow dictated what happened with this thread being split, because no matter what I say, you will believe what you've already set yourself to believe and no amount of discussion will change that.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Mr. Smith, the staff does not take action just because a member stamps his foot like a petulant preschooler. This "show" is run by the Admin Team and I don't expect you, or any single individual, to agree with or like every single decision we make. I won't bother with the ridiculous comment that implies that BG somehow dictated what happened with this thread being split, because no matter what I say, you will believe what you've already set yourself to believe and no amount of discussion will change that.

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Can we talk via PM?

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Can we talk via PM?

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My PM box is always open to anyone.

Us.

I know it won't help but I might as well try and explain my train of thought.

The thread continued to deteriorate after your interaction ended and leaving it as was seemed less and less viable.

I made an attempt to reign it back slightly by a request in the thread. The more I thought about it afterwards the less chance I saw of it working.

Since we still wanted to keep the thread viewable the notion of splitting out the worst of it was one I was already considering. I didn't do it at first because, frankly, it is a pain in the onions to weed through 10 pages of petty squabbling evaluating each post at 4am my time.

When I logged back in this afternoon it seemed a less irritating job so I did it (12.42pm if you want to be precise ). This was four and a half hours after BG posted - not "within minutes". And it was still an irritating job.

If you want to make certain this has been done before search for the word "removed" in the thread titles in QT.

Your request was to move the whole thread to QT which we do not want to do and still have not done - though I am now considering it more and more since it seems people cannot just let it go.

Lesson learned though - next time I'll just infract everyone for general hostility and delete the whole thread. :rolleyes:


dr del

It's time to put this one to bed. Neil's original purpose for starting the thread have been more than met. If anyone else wishes to bicker about the rightness or wrongness of the matter, or make their assumptions about Neil's motives...they can do so in the QT split-off thread linked above.