"Dangerous dog breeds"

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Originally Posted by djansen

Honestly im afraid of most dogs, always have been. I dont like dogs and they dont like me and MOST dog owners annoy the heck out of me.
Not everyone likes dogs and people need to realize this. I work pest control and am always going into peoples back yards and I come across alot of dogs and I think its incredibly inconsiderate to not lock your dog up while you have a service done. I dont care if its being protective or it just does not know you thats how people get bit and it only takes once. At my old neighborhood I could not run around the block without more then one dog come flying out from someones house and barking and growling at me. Im seriously thinking about carrying pepper spray. Most of these "dangerous" breeds are protective by nature so unless your growing pot or trying to protect something valuable whats the point of having such a risk? Unless your a hermit and live way up in nowhere keep your dog locked up.
and people say reptile owners are carless.
Sorry, end rant. I do understand that there are responsible people out there but to me there are far to many morons out there.
I say make there ALOT of rules on these dogs when it comes to locking them up or always on a leash.

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I understand that not everyone likes dogs. One of my best friends if rather scared of them, to a point that when she walks with other people and she sees a strange dog, she will freeze and walk out of her way to avoid the dog and put the person she's with between her and the dog. She doesn't do it on purpose, it just comes naturally to her.

I agree with you on people needing, or should chain up or place the dog inside if they call someone to help out around their house for what ever reason. My family and I always make sure my dog is out of the way when someone comes to help out around the house. If the oil man comes, then we keep the dog inside. If someone is working inside the house, we will place her in a bedroom until their done. We do not put our dog out and in the way.

And you questioning why do people own these "dangerous" dogs unless their growing pot or trying to protect something else valuable, I question why do people own yappie ankel bitters? I do not like those dogs, and know why? Because most of the time I see them, their being treated like a baby, not like they should be. I love rottweilers, I was born and raised with them. Why do I like them? Because even while their protective, they can be a giant push over and someone you can just cuddle up to. And having a rottweiler in the house has possible stopped many people from attempting to break in my house. What is a little dog going to do, bark the burglar to death? Yeah right. If anything he'd kick the dog breaking ribs. Now while owning one of these dogs, the dog will lock down on a part of the person's body and most likely break bones, or do damage just as bad. Rottweilers are one of the dogs with the most powerful bite. With any of these dogs, if the correct owner has one, the dog knows better on how to react, and will listen to the owner despite the situation. Know if a idiot has one of these dogs, then it gives the DOG a bad rap, but not the owner.

My akita decided one day to chase after one of my chickens. My mom was yelling at her, and she didn't listen. I get up yell her name sternly, she stopped in her tracks and looked at me before coming back. Goes to show that I trained my dog right.
And the story I posted to start off the topic, about my dog attacking the friends dog (which if you haven't read, go read) what if it was something worse? What if it was a bear? Or a wolf? Something that would really of hurt my parents? They would of been screwed if the had no dog, or a small dog. My dog, her breed, was bred for hunting and protecting. So if she sense's something is wrong, or if she sees something in the yard that is a threat, first place she goes to attack is right for the throat. Her bred was made to take down bears, and other big game. For someone who doesn't live exactly in the city, it's nice knowing that my house, and yard is safe. I had a fox come out and ALMOST get one of my chickens, I debated for a moment to call my dog over and hold her at the top of the steps of my deck, barking and snarling at the fox. I know she would of scared it off, but I went with the BB gun instead.

I'm sorry for ranting so much on this, and I don't want this to start a fight, but I think you have to see the point of view from someone who one's a "dangerous" dog, and how amazingly useful it is to have one, and how they can be complete softies.

As for "dangerous dogs" I don't believe it. There are no Bad dogs. Bad Owners? Yes. My grandparents had a dog from when I was.. about 1-2 till I was errr i wanna say 8ish. His name was Max. Me and Max grew up together so, when mymom would be yelling at me he would get right in between me and her. As if to tell her "Thats, MY girl"! My dog i have is a german shepard/husky mix. The only thing i've seen him after is a cat. My neighbor had two Rots. They were sweet as can be. Its just a matter of how the dog was raised as a puppy.


Sorry for my little rant.

-Ashley-Christena.

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Originally Posted by djansen

Honestly im afraid of most dogs, always have been. I dont like dogs and they dont like me and MOST dog owners annoy the heck out of me.
Not everyone likes dogs and people need to realize this. I work pest control and am always going into peoples back yards and I come across alot of dogs and I think its incredibly inconsiderate to not lock your dog up while you have a service done. I dont care if its being protective or it just does not know you thats how people get bit and it only takes once. At my old neighborhood I could not run around the block without more then one dog come flying out from someones house and barking and growling at me. Im seriously thinking about carrying pepper spray. Most of these "dangerous" breeds are protective by nature so unless your growing pot or trying to protect something valuable whats the point of having such a risk? Unless your a hermit and live way up in nowhere keep your dog locked up.
and people say reptile owners are carless.
Sorry, end rant. I do understand that there are responsible people out there but to me there are far to many morons out there.
I say make there ALOT of rules on these dogs when it comes to locking them up or always on a leash.

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Of course dogs can be dangerous. They're descended from wolves, which are the apex predator in their natural environment. We haven't devolved them THAT much.

I also agree that dogs should be kept on a leash, or in a fence, etc etc. Not only does it prevent attacks, but it can save the dog's live because THEY can't be attacked or hit by a car.

However, the point of this thread is that one breed isn't necessarily more dangerous than another. Laws confining dogs to leashes or fences is fine and logical, but banning an entire breed is not. True, pit and rotti attacks tend to be pretty bad, but there was a labrador retriever (a well-loved family breed, I'm sure you know) that tore a woman's face up in Germany, and there are accounts of people being killed by Yorkshire terriers, Pomeranians, and dachsunds. I don't see any breed bans on those four. Dog confiscations should be limited to dogs that are ACTUALLY a problem.

I don't think dog confiscations should happen at all. Every dog of every breed has the capabality to be able to harm/kill someone. It doesn't matter what it looks like, or what breed it is, a dog needs to be brought up right, and many people do just this and socialize their dogs.

People should need resume's, interviews, home checks, etc, before they can adopt or buy a dog. If we did this, the problems would most likely start to decline.

My city shelter all you have to be is 18 and you can get any dog you want,(pitty, rottie, pug, etc..) while one of our non profit(non state run) no kill rescue, you need an interview and a home check, along with references!

Ya know I have owned pit bulls a big part of my life, took a stab at breeding them because I loved them so much. I have 3 kids and have owned pits since they were born..... I have nothing but good things to say about em..... I quit breeding when I could not find GOOD HOMES for the puppies... I am one of those people that write emails to people to keep my herps and dogs..... I cant see a point in my life where I dont own both

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

Ya know I have owned pit bulls a big part of my life, took a stab at breeding them because I loved them so much. I have 3 kids and have owned pits since they were born..... I have nothing but good things to say about em..... I quit breeding when I could not find GOOD HOMES for the puppies... I am one of those people that write emails to people to keep my herps and dogs..... I cant see a point in my life where I dont own both

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i did the same thing minus having children of my own(other than my dogs and reptiles)..I have even been bitten in the face by one and it will never change my mind. Ive grown up with them,bred them and showed people the side that the news never shows. My dogs are well known from Ny,Pa,Nj. Everyone to ever meet them they instantly fall in love with them. I know people who are now addicted to the breed and cant get enough of them. To be honest i hate small dogs. Everyone but id say 3-4 has been very snappy and aggressive towards people where the so called dangerous breeds have done nothing but smell and give people kisses. Bully bred dogs are my live and will continue to be a part of it till the day im 6 feet under. Im Bully Bred For Life...

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Originally Posted by ed4281

A dog is only dangerous, when in the hands of an idoit.

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That is so true!

We have a Boxer and is ashame how people are so scared to let their kids play with him when we have him at the park. He is confused to be a pit all the time and he looks nothing like one.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-2/657161/026.jpg

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Originally Posted by grits

That is so true!

We have a Boxer and is ashame how people are so scared to let their kids play with him when we have him at the park. He is confused to be a pit all the time and he looks nothing like one.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-2/657161/026.jpg

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:rofl: GREAT PIC!!

Here is one of my viscious german shepherd. I was shocked when I first learned that people are afraid of these! But I mean, look at her, how could you not be afraid!! :rolleyes:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2760288/1-%2...%28copy%29.jpg

Only bad owners :mad:

I honostly think a dogs peronality comes from its owner. If a dog is raised where he/che is beatean or abused, then put in the pound and adopted it could have the chance of biting in fear. I dont beleave in "dangerous dogs" I beleave in irisponsible owners....

I think some breeds have the ability to become more agressive than others. Obv the stronger and larger the dog, the more dangerous it could be.

It could be dangerous because it could inflict more damage than say, a chihuahua. But size has nothing to do with how aggressive a dog is.

Actually, most small dogs are more aggressive than large dogs because of "small dog syndrome" Basically the small dogs have giant egos and think they are huge. But they would do way less damage than a very large breed dog.

My dog is mastiff and huge, and the sweetest thing, even though she is large and powerful.

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Originally Posted by DarkSean

I think some breeds have the ability to become more agressive than others. Obv the stronger and larger the dog, the more dangerous it could be.

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The problem is dominance. A dominant dog has the potential to become extremely dangerous when not trained properly. This goes for ANY dog, no matter how big they are. A small dog is capable of doing SERIOUS damage, I've seen it happen. The reason these dogs have acquired this reputation is because they NEED a heavy hand. When the corrections are absent, the dominant dog becomes aggressive much quicker than a passive dog. The breed really has nothing to do with it. There can be dominant labs, and passive rottweilers. It's all in how they're raised.

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Originally Posted by AkHerps

It could be dangerous because it could inflict more damage than say, a chihuahua. But size has nothing to do with how aggressive a dog is.

Actually, most small dogs are more aggressive than large dogs because of "small dog syndrome" Basically the small dogs have giant egos and think they are huge. But they would do way less damage than a very large breed dog.

My dog is mastiff and huge, and the sweetest thing, even though she is large and powerful.

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We have six dogs right now, between my boyfriend and I and his parents. Two mastiffs, two boxers, a GSD mix, and they have a pug who is ALWAYS the center of the rare spats that do occur. He's pushy, he doesn't know when to stop, and makes this snarly noise that makes all the other dogs want to put him in his place. They dominate him and he either stops or he doesn't, thus resulting in a fight. No one ever gets hurt, but my point is that you're absolutely right. He's the only dog that doesn't have any obedience training, he barks like crazy over nothing. He gets everyone riled up and he just DOESN'T listen. At all. One of the boxers is actually their daughters, and he has terrible dog manners. He's the smallest boxer I've ever seen. The big dogs try to dominate him because he just doesn't know when to quit. He constantly licks the inside of their mouths and jumps all over them. He sits on their faces and bites at their ankles. Twice they've gone after him, and I don't blame them. Obviously I correct my dogs, but the little jerk never gets corrected because his owner just doesn't care. So this problem will continue and get worse as he gets older. I don't blame the dog, I blame his owner.

I don't think its down to the individual dog as a whole. I think some breeds are just naturally passive and some more natually dominant. Like my japanese chins, compared to my staff.

My staf can do far more damage with her larger mouth and teeth and shes just pure muscle. Staffs tend to be rather boisterous(sp) by nature anyways, shes vocal and vigilant. My JCs are extreamly laid back smaller dogs, simply pref to be waited on hand and foot, they don't even bark, have no oral fixation(dont chew or bite anything)etc.

Not that she ever has, and most likely never will, but it would be my staff who would ever do actual harm to someone.

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Originally Posted by DarkSean

I don't think its down to the individual dog as a whole. I think some breeds are just naturally passive and some more natually dominant.

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You're right, it's not really the individual dog. The breed does play into dominance. But it does NOT play into aggressiveness. Dogs become aggressive when they are left with no leader.

Take my mastiff, for example, he is EXTREMELY dominant. We are certainly working on him, but he is dominant by nature. He is only 7 months old and would absolutely dominate me and turn aggressive if I allowed it. Corsi, as a breed are just dominant. I wouldn't recommend one to anyone that I wasn't sure could handle one. He probably will always be dominant, just never outright aggressive. His girlfriend is very laid back but she's just as dominant as he is.

Of course there are dangerous dogs, you don't see people breeding bad ass giant protective golden retrievers because there's no market for them but mean oversized "pit bulls" sell for big money to idiots with ego issues who encourage bad behavior and breed more unstable dogs. Most people have no idea my dogs are APBT because their idea of a "pit bull" is a 100+ pound blue dog that looks like a friggin mastiff and was produced solely for a look. Bad breeding = bad dogs and all the training and raising isn't going to change a messed up dog.

Looking at what a few decades of byb have done to "pit bulls" is horrifying, even scarier is the trend I'm seeing of actual guardian breeds (presas, filas, cane corsos, etc) heading the same way. A well bred APBT is a medium sized dog that loves people and tends to have animal and dog aggression, a well bred mastiff is a giant breed with a tendency to wariness around strangers. I hate seeing byb giant breed dogs in the hands of idiots, it's a disaster waiting to happen. I would love a molosser someday but only from a very reputable breeder, you couldn't pay me to take one from most of the "breeders" I see advertising.

My big scary mean pit/dobi/rottie/sharpei mix.

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

Of course there are dangerous dogs, you don't see people breeding bad ass giant protective golden retrievers because there's no market for them but mean oversized "pit bulls" sell for big money to idiots with ego issues who encourage bad behavior and breed more unstable dogs. Most people have no idea my dogs are APBT because their idea of a "pit bull" is a 100+ pound blue dog that looks like a friggin mastiff and was produced solely for a look. Bad breeding = bad dogs and all the training and raising isn't going to change a messed up dog.

Looking at what a few decades of byb have done to "pit bulls" is horrifying, even scarier is the trend I'm seeing of actual guardian breeds (presas, filas, cane corsos, etc) heading the same way. A well bred APBT is a medium sized dog that loves people and tends to have animal and dog aggression, a well bred mastiff is a giant breed with a tendency to wariness around strangers. I hate seeing byb giant breed dogs in the hands of idiots, it's a disaster waiting to happen. I would love a molosser someday but only from a very reputable breeder, you couldn't pay me to take one from most of the "breeders" I see advertising.

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I view there being 2 types of pit bull. Those that still pretty much look like a Staffordshire bull terrier and are generally quite friendly and those that look like the Colby type more or less and are usually people friendly but may or may not be dog aggressive.
The bigger 100+ lb types I view as admixtures with pit bull being just one ingredient.
The other breeds that you mention really have unknown ingredients being added by breeders registered with less than stellar organizations.

Staffordshire Bull Terriers may still be dog aggressive--they haven't eliminated the trait, yet.

I think one thing is safe to say:

It's not 'all in' anything. It's not all in how you raise them, it's not all in the breeding, and it's not all in the breed.

It's a combination of all of those things, and probably more that we don't yet understand.

A skilled owner can socialize and train NEARLY any dog to be a good, well-behaved, and trustworthy companion. Dogs are individuals, so it takes varying amounts of effort and different approaches to do that.

just like theres how many morphs of bps. theres gonna be a poop load of different lines of the bully breed. Some are game dogs(weight pulling etc) some are more of the short stocky wide chested show dogs. I know show dogs that there pups will sell for well over 7k and people buy them like its nothing. Theres always going to be the bad the good and the ugly to every animal. The media unfortunately doesnt show what a properly raised bully is like :(

defenitly the chihuahua
deadly

Beware the SUPER vicious breed of biker pit bulls...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...teel/Alejo.jpg

This is my best friend's SUPER VICIOUS pit bull... lol. She was the sweetest dog I've ever known. The most dangerous part of her was the wagging tail and the non-stop licking. Unfortunately, he had to put her down last year after she got old and developed bad hip problems...

If it were me, I'd list that breed and that breed as dangerous as they all got fangs, can growl and will try to kill the nearest child trying to pet him. Grrr.

Kidding aside. I feel that the "Dangerous Breed Legislation"'s a rather pointless move as the disposition of the dog is NOT determined by the breed but by the upbringing and personality. As an example, a friend's adult pit bull (who's a champion "power truck puller"/whatever that's called) was always more than happy to see me whenever I visited; almost all the time, she had to be restrained not because she's going to maul me but because she wants to jump to my arms (my fault; I kinda spoiled her by giving her a warm hug and lifting her at the same time each time I visited...and no, I'm not ashamed to cuddle and "smell like a dog" unless I'm on a date ^_^). On the other side of the coin, my one of my cousins' Chihuahua hated me with a passion; each time I would visit my relatives, he's the only one to "pounce" on me and bare his fangs at me. Heck, whenever he's around, I'm not even allowed to give my aunt a hug and kiss!

So much for "breed stereotyping".

PS: Boxers as "dangerous"? If there's ANY stereotype I strongly believe in, it's that Boxers are one of the best clowns in the animal kingdom! Another reason why DBL is kinda...FAIL.