Fauna BOI Thread Regarding Chuck Kimmel Auction and Wise Reptiles

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

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Never mind, beat me to it. :P

C'mon! The man needed painkillers for his knee. What other options did they have?

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

C'mon! The man needed painkillers for his knee. What other options did they have?

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He could go without! That money didn't belong to them and they had no right in stealing. Plus this was at a reptile expo I believe and they were in charge of the auctions. Breeders donated snakes to these people thinking it would be going to a good cause.
I sure hope you were making a joke because that was very immature especially from a moderator.

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Originally Posted by waltah!

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LOL and thanks a lot. This will be an interesting ride. Be sure to keep all appendages in the vehicle at all times and buckle up as there may be sharp unexpected turns.

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Originally Posted by -C@jun-

He could go without! That money didn't belong to them and they had no right in stealing. Plus this was at a reptile expo I believe and they were in charge of the auctions. Breeders donated snakes to these people thinking it would be going to a good cause.
I sure hope you were making a joke because that was very immature especially from a moderator.

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They were joking.

One of the brainfarts jeffy tried to pass of as an excuse by way of his porcine mouthpiece was that he had a knee injury that was soooooooo painful he needed to steal from a grieving widow and her children so he could get high.

Fear not, the Mods here are all good people.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

They were joking.

One of the brainfarts jeffy tried to pass of as an excuse by way of his porcine mouthpiece was that he had a knee injury that was soooooooo painful he needed to steal from a grieving widow and her children so he could get high.

Fear not, the Mods here are all good people.

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I read all 103 pages on the BOI
it was a immature joke to just blurt out from nowhere.

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Originally Posted by -C@jun-

I read all 103 pages on the BOI
it was a immature joke to just blurt out from nowhere.

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It wasn't a joke - it was SARCASM.


sar·casm (sär'kāz'əm)
n.
1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim (in this case, Jeff Wise) the butt of contempt or ridicule.

The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit.

With no way to tell it WAS sarcasm, it looked strange even to me, when I knew it had to be a joke. Next time maybe a smiley of some sort like a rolling eyes one would help show it was a sarcastic wittism instead of a serious comment. I've heard junkies and lowlifes say "Well, I didn't want to get a job, so I broke into XX house...." like it's a legitimate excuse.

I happen to know the mods here wouldn't think that way though, but not everyone would. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by -C@jun-

He could go without! That money didn't belong to them and they had no right in stealing. Plus this was at a reptile expo I believe and they were in charge of the auctions. Breeders donated snakes to these people thinking it would be going to a good cause.
I sure hope you were making a joke because that was very immature especially from a moderator.

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I hope that you aren't the sharpest tool in your shed.

cmon guys...:rolleyes:...geez it was not that big of a deal and I totally got it.....and I sometimes don't get allot of innuendos! (Its a blonde thing)!! :rolleyes: Lets refocus and stay on topic.....which is two fold...

1. Supporting those trying to get justice and the monies to Maggie
2. Making sure that the Un...Wise's do not do business again in the reptile industry.

By the way.....below is the paypal address for Maggie....they are asking for donations. This will go directly to her...no middle man here.

akchoice@cfl.rr.com

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

I hope that you aren't the sharpest tool in your shed.

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sharper then the rest. maybe I should break out the file. we can sharpen together. you need it!

Oye...again...lets please refocus and stay on topic. :colbert: There are much bigger things here than bickering over nothing!!

To the person that said "It was at a reptile expo" no it was a series of auctions conducted on the Fauna classifieds. ( sorry if that had already been cleared up )

I'm in the process of filing charges with my local Sheriff to have them charged with the theft of my donation since Maggie's local police said there's nothing they could do for her since they didn't steal it directly from her. Well they DID in fact steal DIRECTLY from me so hopefully all of us that made donations will follow through with criminal charges.

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Originally Posted by dturner100

To the person that said "It was at a reptile expo" no it was a series of auctions conducted on the Fauna classifieds. ( sorry if that had already been cleared up )

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My fault it was a lot to read.

Trust no one! Not even family. Doesn't matter I don't want to hear I can trust my mother sister brother papa mama granny. They will all rat to save there own neck put in the bad situation.

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Originally Posted by dturner100

To the person that said "It was at a reptile expo" no it was a series of auctions conducted on the Fauna classifieds. ( sorry if that had already been cleared up )

I'm in the process of filing charges with my local Sheriff to have them charged with the theft of my donation since Maggie's local police said there's nothing they could do for her since they didn't steal it directly from her. Well they DID in fact steal DIRECTLY from me so hopefully all of us that made donations will follow through with criminal charges.

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IMO if Colorado issues a warrant for their arrest it will only show up if the Wise's have a random encounter with the Police in Michigan and the Police would then arrest them. If Colorado isn't willing to pay for extradition they would be cut loose.

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Originally Posted by -C@jun-

My fault it was a lot to read.

Trust no one! Not even family. Doesn't matter I don't want to hear I can trust my mother sister brother papa mama granny. They will all rat to save there own neck put in the bad situation.

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Your life sucks.

Even I have a couple of people I'd trust.

And why would your family have their collective necks in bad situations? Are you all wanted felons?

No, don't answer here, this thread is not about you.

Feel free to address these questions in the QT room where such discussions are allowed.

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

IMO if Colorado issues a warrant for their arrest it will only show up if the Wise's have a random encounter with the Police in Michigan and the Police would then arrest them. If Colorado isn't willing to pay for extradition they would be cut loose.

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Indeed very true, but if everybody who had donations stolen as did I files charges there will be a bunch of warrants issued. You're right that it's not likely for them to be extradited any time soon BUT Jeff, and Christina Wise are about as smart as a box of rocks. How long do you really think it would be until they ended up with some type of traffic stop, or something? At the very least they'd be arrested pending extradition whether or not it happened. Also out of all the people that donated, and the monies were stolen there are a few different states that we're in so there could just as well be one or two that will take this serious.

Also charges of internet fraud with the FBI might ( I say might because I'm no expert on the subject ) be taken a bit more serious since there was a good number of victoms. Maybe?

And as well I don't know about all states but even a surrounding counties warrant is valid for 7 year at least in Colorado.

well I certainly hope that there is a way to compile all of these charges into one large charge. Not sure how all of that works....but they really do need to go to jail.

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Originally Posted by dturner100

Indeed very true, but if everybody who had donations stolen as did I files charges there will be a bunch of warrants issued. You're right that it's not likely for them to be extradited any time soon BUT Jeff, and Christina Wise are about as smart as a box of rocks. How long do you really think it would be until they ended up with some type of traffic stop, or something? At the very least they'd be arrested pending extradition whether or not it happened. Also out of all the people that donated, and the monies were stolen there are a few different states that we're in so there could just as well be one or two that will take this serious.

Also charges of internet fraud with the FBI might ( I say might because I'm no expert on the subject ) be taken a bit more serious since there was a good number of victoms. Maybe?

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Multiple warrants could at least cause the Wise's stress and inconvenience and would have value.

I don't know any of the people involved here but I do know I aint giving any one a check of mine, heck I don't even like sending a check to the electric company. Pay-Pal will allow you to set up accounts for donations, that is the only way to share your money with someone you don't know on the internet, for me atleast.

Mike

It's now coming to light that these people also tried to get free baby items for resale by using a stolen ultrasound image showing that she was pregnant with triplets. She got busted on that.
Seems to be a pattern of trying to prey on peoples generosity on various forums. They are now packing up and moving and told everyone they WILL NOT return the stolen funds.

Well, she's stooped to a new low:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...postcount=1293

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Well, she's stooped to a new low:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...postcount=1293

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Wow.... I'm not terribly shocked but still... :mad:

The last act of desperation. Trapped in a corner with no where left to run... IMO

yea, i read like 60 pages on fauna, sick people, shows wat faith we should have in them, there seems to be 20 bad people for every 5 good,

Hey all...if you were considering sending monies to Maggies paypal please do not this time....you can read Robin's link. Apparently the Un-Wise's froze Maggies paypal account and are asking for $800- in reverse charges.

I'm not too fond of Fauna either but it is a great place to get the info you need when purchasing reptiles. They do also band together when something like this happens. Regardless of attitude otherwise, I have the utmost respect for the members for being such a faithful community. What the Wise's did was absolutely horrible and cowardly. They deserve all the press they get. Everyone has been notified too. All the police dept's, news agencies, DCFS, IRS internet fraud division, paypal, every forum and profile website you could imagine, and even talk show hosts.

They will not be able go anywhere without this being there. This is an amazing and wonderful thing the members over there are doing and I hope they all keep it up until these 2 are convicted of a crime for their actions.

I just read all about it on fauna, including screenshots and such... I'm rather infuriated with these "wise" people and am wondering where the case stands at this point... does anyone know?