OMG! Look what the opposition is doing!

Really? Whos going to take that seriously. Read that... Anyone, person or crongress member, who reads that and believes it is an absolute idiot.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Really? Whos going to take that seriously. Read that... Anyone, person or crongress member, who reads that and believes it is an absolute idoit.

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I agree Matt butt think about the hoards of people who actually will believe it. That woman makes it sound like this is something she knows for a fact. Like it was some survey or study. She says nothing that would lead the average close-minded person to believe it is only her twisted opinion on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

I agree Matt butt think about the hoards of people who actually will believe it. That woman makes it sound like this is something she knows for a fact. Like it was some survey or study. She says nothing that would lead the average close-minded person to believe it is only her twisted opinion on the subject.

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I know, but the amount of people not believing it is what counts. The first half isnt even facts, its made up and if anyone took the time to look it up they would see that...which they wont of course.

The picture is just horrible... but no matter what animal you have youll find a picture out there that is just as bad. The snake is just acting on instincts, the owner is at fault not having a secure cage.

We all know this, so im beating a dead horse here.... but anyone non snake owning who believes this should be the ones banned for being so close minded...and retarded.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Really? Whos going to take that seriously. Read that... Anyone, person or crongress member, who reads that and believes it is an absolute idoit.

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yea but look at how many of those idiots are sighning the petition.
i only regret that im not able to help with this since i live in scotland and anything i have to say is going to be irrelavent in the end. although i have taken it upon myself to send a polite email to the site complaining that they are allowing people to make petitions using outright lies and i feel disgusted as a snake owner about what has been said in that article :mad:

The part about masturbation is extremely inappropriate and out of hand. There is no way any politician can accept any of the signatures. To generalize us and say we masturbate to our snakes constricting cats and dogs is just awful. And people are actually signing this get rid of snakes? How often do they see our pet snakes? Do they realize there will still be wild species in the United States?

This is absolutely idiotic. I cant explain the amount of anger something like that brings up. They are making themselves look stupid. Thank god for USARK.

Sounds to me like the guy who wrote it was really a psychotic himself....

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Really? Whos going to take that seriously. Read that... Anyone, person or crongress member, who reads that and believes it is an absolute idiot.

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Originally Posted by redstormlax12

The part about masturbation is extremely inappropriate and out of hand. There is no way any politician can accept any of the signatures.

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There are politicians who believe it. Thats why these bills for proposed bans keep getting written...

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Really? Whos going to take that seriously.

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Never underestimate the stupidity of people.

I joined and commented on her profile.

Where's are petition?! Is it done yet? Show me where to sign! :gj:

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I also reported the petition. Simply put, I wrote "This petition is offensive, inappropriate, and contains no actual factual information." Hope all this reporting does the trick.

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Originally Posted by PurplePython

Before you start to argue with me why dont you read what I actually said?

I never said that the snakes are dangerous.

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Wow..touchy much! First of all I never stated that YOU said they were dangerous. I said....if you want to go that route. Meaning I was overcoming an objection.....if and before you used it.

Secondly....I certainly did not attack you therefore you really don't need to get so offended, I merely disagreed with your points.

FYI folks, it's not a woman. It's a guy. The L stands for Luke.

Anyone who would believe that childish post are easily manipulated and weekwilled people. Those claims arnt evin logical. Also, "technically" if you look it up cats kill and destroy more things on the planet than any other animal so if you look at it that way somone feeding there snake cats would be doing the world a favor. I wouldnt ever do it nor do i think somone else should feed there snakes cats or dogs, just saying. This sad sad little person just doesnt like snakes and he wants to get everyone with him. What are peoples problems? Were not all perfect and there is always a couple bad seeds but in general i just dont see a problem. Just another guy who has a fear of snakes and wants them gone and saddly people are so naive that they will believe any crap they read or hear and they will go along with it.

This ahole posted ANOTHER petition against us!

http://www.change.org/petitions/view..._ban_on_snakes

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Originally Posted by SPJ

This ahole posted ANOTHER petition against us!

http://www.change.org/petitions/view..._ban_on_snakes

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That link doesnt bring up a petition for me.

For whatever reason the link does not always direct you to it...on www.change.org

Type in "sb 373" under search and it is there.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

That's why you start a counter petition that has all the real facts.

Edit: considering the creator is a member of "Farm Animal Rights Movement" this isn't a surprise. Means that the person is just another peta supporter.

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Sorry just started reading this thread, saw this and had to comment. Just because someone is for better treatment of farm animals or doesn't agree with raising animals for meat doesn't mean they are a member of PETA. I get really offended every time someone puts ALL AR (Animal Rights) people in the same boat with PETA and suggests that we are all nutjobs.

Okay, back to the thread.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Really? Whos going to take that seriously. Read that... Anyone, person or crongress member, who reads that and believes it is an absolute idiot.

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well apparently at least 268 people DO believe it. That's how many have signed his petition now.

Actually if you search some of those people who have signed it, they cant possibly be reading and researching what theyve signed. One dude for example had signed like four petitions in a minute.

Some of the people signing, are just wantonly signing things for ratings or whatever their motivation.

Wow look at this crap:
"CRUELTY TO ANIMALS: Keep in mind these monstrous sized snakes feed from LIVE ANIMALS. Pigs. Goats. These animals scream in terror as the snake hovers over them, and once grabbed-they slowly suffocate, breaking ribs - still alive. Death is NOT immediate. Undoubtedly since reptile keepers are capable of feeding a cold blooded reptile a goat or pig, what would stop some people from feeding them FREE snake food-trapped stray/feral cats, and free to good home cats and dogs--they justify feeding them companion animals because "they have to eat". People do not check on strays and unwanted dogs and cats, and done behind closed doors, thus they simply become SNAKE FOOD. In other words, they hardly ever get caught and get away with it."

Because of ppl on on youtube our rep is ruined! They should visit ALL the reptile forums and Snake Bytes and understand the economical problem this would be to America and how responisble most of us are.

ok im fixing to put my head on the choping block but first if you where to ask me i say lets ban stupid people not the animals they own:gj: .... i agree with getting rid of big snakes or at least register them, saidly we are in a era of time where ALOT of people are sick in the head and i bet there are alot of people who do get aroused to see things suffer, that just how it is. i do feel for people who have high end big snakes but sometimes in life we just have to do what we dont want to. and as far as for facts and things on this site we are talking about there are some very true facts there are alot of cases where people are feeding dogs and cats etc. and that little girl is only one of the many deaths caused by snakes, oh and i do agree with the dogs and cat playing wrong roll because this happens too thus the reason in alot of sates and counties pit bulls are banned and what not. we can fight this and i am trying to fight myself but we also gotta see the persons other side that had to see there animal or, even worse their child being killed....wouldnt you hate snakes also? but all in all i think before they are banned at least register them first.

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that little girl is only one of the many deaths caused by snakes

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The snake was a scapegoat for scumbag drug addict child abuser parents.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

The snake was a scapegoat for scumbag drug addict child abuser parents.

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what do you mean they made the snake do it?

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Originally Posted by moravaguy

what do you mean they made the snake do it?

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He didn't say they made the snake do it.

If the parents were careful, watched there child, made sure a large snake (which they should have already known could have harmed a child) could not escape, their daughter would not be dead.

A snake sees food. Not someone's child.

This is for moravaguy. If a snake killed my son i would not hate the snake. I would hate myself because i would have failed keeping my son safe and for failing for keeping the snake secure.

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Originally Posted by tjm

This is for moravaguy. If a snake killed my son i would not hate the snake. I would hate myself because i would have failed keeping my son safe and for failing for keeping the snake secure.

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I agree.

Did anyone else notice that person said the little girls skull was crushed? This dummy doesn't follow the actual news at all. The girl was not crushed in any way. Not only is he a sick fishturd (anyone get that?) He is a liar who simply wants attention.

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Originally Posted by moravaguy

ok im fixing to put my head on the choping block but first if you where to ask me i say lets ban stupid people not the animals they own:gj: .... i agree with getting rid of big snakes or at least register them, saidly we are in a era of time where ALOT of people are sick in the head and i bet there are alot of people who do get aroused to see things suffer, that just how it is. i do feel for people who have high end big snakes but sometimes in life we just have to do what we dont want to. and as far as for facts and things on this site we are talking about there are some very true facts there are alot of cases where people are feeding dogs and cats etc. and that little girl is only one of the many deaths caused by snakes, oh and i do agree with the dogs and cat playing wrong roll because this happens too thus the reason in alot of sates and counties pit bulls are banned and what not. we can fight this and i am trying to fight myself but we also gotta see the persons other side that had to see there animal or, even worse their child being killed....wouldnt you hate snakes also? but all in all i think before they are banned at least register them first.

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And with that line of thinking we should be banning ALL pets. This is an argument thats been done to death on this site and many others. Taking away large constrictors will solve nothing. Those same people who either neglected their pets, abused them, or used them to abuse others will simply find another way to do it.

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Originally Posted by moravaguy

what do you mean they made the snake do it?

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No - but there is some speculation that she was actually killed by her parents who "staged" the scenario that the snake killed her. I personally don't believe that the snake killed her.

ok ok everyone i am saying that this stuff is the snakes fault if you would look at the begining of my reply i said to rid stupid people but what im trying to say to yall is that people and society has made it to where we shouldnt have these big snakes because as a whole reptile keepers keep on effin up which makes me say yes to this but not to ban but at least register the animal. and i think it should go for all snakes, it would make some more responsible for their actions.

and as far as the girl goes im not refering just to the one girl im saying that there has been more than one case like this, still the owners fault but if the person didnt have it then the persons child would still be alive, maybe.

oh and for the if a snake killed your kid or animal i said that if you were the other person that had not owned the snake then you would hate snakes because of the exsperiance

see i am in no way saying all reptile keepers are irresponsible im saying i kinda wish this would happen so that when i show off my ball python everybody dont say "well wont that kill you one day?" i wish it wasnt like this but what are we gonna do? people are going to be irresponsible and one day one person will ruin it all for us because alot of people are already scared of snakes and when one shows up in the news for whatever reason that just makes it worse.

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Originally Posted by moravaguy

ok ok everyone i am saying that this stuff is the snakes fault if you would look at the begining of my reply i said to rid stupid people but what im trying to say to yall is that people and society has made it to where we shouldnt have these big snakes because as a whole reptile keepers keep on effin up which makes me say yes to this but not to ban but at least register the animal. and i think it should go for all snakes, it would make some more responsible for their actions.

and as far as the girl goes im not refering just to the one girl im saying that there has been more than one case like this, still the owners fault but if the person didnt have it then the persons child would still be alive, maybe.

oh and for the if a snake killed your kid or animal i said that if you were the other person that had not owned the snake then you would hate snakes because of the exsperiance

see i am in no way saying all reptile keepers are irresponsible im saying i kinda wish this would happen so that when i show off my ball python everybody dont say "well wont that kill you one day?" i wish it wasnt like this but what are we gonna do? people are going to be irresponsible and one day one person will ruin it all for us because alot of people are already scared of snakes and when one shows up in the news for whatever reason that just makes it worse.

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Respectfully, I disagree. If we had to have a permit to own any sort of reptile it would notsuddenly make the public more educated on them. They would still claim that your BP would kill you and your sleep, along with your children...because they are uneducated. Education is key in these areas.

There have been very few deaths due to large constrictors in the past 20-30 years.. what was it, less than 20? Horses and dogs have killed many times more than that every year.. we should probably start restricting those too, eh?

Unfortunately, making people get permits and register their animals will most likely not cut down on the intolerance/ignorance. First it'll be the big snakes and lizards, and eventually it'll be the rest of them.. I don't think that's what we need. Just my .02 cents.

ok well my point is that a big snake is dangerous period if it is bigger than you you have no control over it.

and i belive that if people will have to do more than buy the snake they may take in more responsiblity for the actions they make (the owner) and if they soon dont more deaths will happen and then they will be gone for sure.

by the way the reason for the less deaths is that there are fewer big snakes than cats dogs ect. but more people hate snakes over dogs and cats so when one snake kills or looks like it killed someone or something loved its like 100 dogs atacking 1000 kids because the fear is already there, i guess.

Just look near the bottom at the er, well, certain political group to put it VERY nicely and whom the recipients are. I rest my case. I would expect nothing less from them in a case like this.

i wonder how the author of that article would feel if they knew that that cheese burger they were eating was made from a mistreated cow.

i love dogs and cats. my dog is my favorite pet. i'd hate to see a dog or cat get crushed to death. shoot, i refuse to feed live mice to my snakes. frozen/thawed all the way.

to the articles credit, there are some folks out there who really do get pleasure from seeing an animal suffer and die. i will never understand how witnessing another's misery, whether dog, cat, mouse, or cochroach, could make a person happy.

one thing the article doesn't discuss, however, is what we are supposed to do with all these unwanted dogs and cats. there are too many of them and too few homes.

In my opinion a snake is less dangerous then a dog anyday. Most snakes bite once and let go with the rare bite and grab. Where as a dog can rip an arm, leg and even your throat off, with bite after bite. I also believe that feeding a dog or a cat to a snake is a horrible idea but what about other countires where dog and cat are on the human menu?
Snakes are pets, just like dogs just like cats, if a dog is mistreated it turns just as a snake could. If the feral dog population in this country is growing then why not ban dogs? There has been plenty of cases where dogs have mamed or killed someone, ruined property, or destroyed other animals. I just feel that if everyone wasnt so into the fur and paws like i am they might understand more.
I do not mean to affend anyone but this posting but i had to vent my opinion.
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My word probably won't count because I live in Wales but I've reported it.

Wow this is getting so much worse as time goes on. It gets progressivly harder to keep our animals in our posessions because of irresponsible owners tainting the reptile community...Uhg...what now

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Just look near the bottom at the er, well, certain political group to put it VERY nicely and whom the recipients are. I rest my case. I would expect nothing less from them in a case like this.

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So true!

Anyone seen the new show on Nat Geo wild? Its about Burms in the everglades and scientist hunting them. I'm sure it full of drama and over done acting. I don't own any of the big snakes and never will I like my Ball Pythons but I feel for people who may have to give there pets that they have had for years or breeders that lose everything because these stupid bans they are tring to pass.