People like this should be locked up

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Originally Posted by djansen

In Florida? I would think you would be able to find someone, maybe the authourities.

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I was meaning in general.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

I was meaning in general.

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so... the authourities anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by flynn

Wouldnt ever try to change anyones mind about anything, Im not a preacher here....

So a dog that 'has a stomach bug' instead of rabies should be put down? A sick dog is not necessarily a threat. An animal with rabies can be. So can a hot herp.

If this guy had decapitated a corn snake or a milk snake or something, I can understand the problem here. He found this animal to be a threat, so he did what he thought was right. This kind of thing happens all the time, the fact that it was published as news is really what suprises me.


*Edit - just re read first post

I dont think the 'stalking' part happens all the time...that sounds kind of weird to me lollol.

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lol im not talking about sick as in fleas or a stomach bug or an r.i in a snake. im talking about rabbies and wounds that would make the animal suffer. Not to just a sick animal. I should have been more specific in what i meant sorry about that. I was trying to type fast my Chinese food had arrived hahah

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Originally Posted by BallsUnlimited

lol im not talking about sick as in fleas or a stomach bug or an r.i in a snake. im talking about rabbies and wounds that would make the animal suffer. Not to just a sick animal. I should have been more specific in what i meant sorry about that. I was trying to type fast my Chinese food had arrived hahah

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:taz::taz: MINES ON THE WAY :8:


/back to topic

how jokes would it be if somehow the head that came off still got venom in him? xD

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Originally Posted by flynn

:taz::taz: MINES ON THE WAY :8:


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haaha it was soo good... but back on topic i think every animal deserves a chance at life. we after all did come in a invade there space. we should at least respect them and not just kill them. I like animals more than i like people haha

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Originally Posted by BallsUnlimited

haaha it was soo good... but back on topic i think every animal deserves a chance at life. we after all did come in a invade there space. we should at least respect them and not just kill them. I like animals more than i like people haha

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FORTY FIVE MINUTES and its still not here :taz:

I dont disagree with you on that. Whether this was a real threat or not I cant speculate. Reading that he 'stalked' it makes me think it wasnt. That just sounds kind of bizzare.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Snakes are in an area for 1 reason, there is a food source. You want to naturally take care of that dangerous snake? Release a non-dangerous snake that will EAT that snake ie a Kingsnake.

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damn straight think about the big picture here people this guy just assumed that the rattler was going to cause some sort of trouble i guess he's a snake whispering genius not.sounds like some back woods red neck with an underdeveloped sense of manhood. what's next your kid goes outside gets hit by a bus so you're going 2 go blow up buses and off bus drivers every time you see one. i hope not always remember all life is important not just human life . and yes i'm being judgmental and i don't care .
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Originally Posted by djansen

so... the authourities anywhere else.

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Lol. Around here the authorities would just tell us to kill it ourselves.

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Originally Posted by PurplePython

lol....

How is comparing an insect to a snake just like comparing a snake to a dog?

Please explain that....

Most insects don't even live to be 2 months old....

Dogs live around 10-15 years and Snakes can live well above 30 years.

I would say chopping a snakes head off for no reason is a pretty serious thing.

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If you read the entirety of my post you will understand. It's all about what you consider life.

O and I just remembered this, to the guy earlier who said insects don't benefit the environment...seriously? Or was that a joke? I honestly don't know how to take that.

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Originally Posted by NCtrickFL

If you read the entirety of my post you will understand. It's all about what you consider life.

O and I just remembered this, to the guy earlier who said insects don't benefit the environment...seriously? Or was that a joke? I honestly don't know how to take that.

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you must have a reading problem or something. I never generalized all insects not benefiting the environment, I singled out misquotes :confuzd:

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Comparing a insect to a snake is kinda childish. Misquotes carry more diseases that a snake could ever dream of. Of course people will want them killed as they have no beneficiary factor to the wilderness cept transferring disease.

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They have nearly the same beneficial presence in the environment as snakes. Mosquitoes serve as food for a variety of species of bats, fish, amphibians, and birds. They presence of the diseases is actually a check on the environment as a whole.

Snakes serve to keep populations in check as well, but as predators.

So though you might not think that is a "beneficiary factor to the wilderness" you are wrong. The bottom of the food chain still represents a link in the chain

A word of caution is warranted here. If you find a snake and you do not know whether or not it is venomous, the safest thing to do is leave it alone. Florida snakes are not aggressive and, unless they are cornered, most will flee when humans approach. Occasionally, you might encounter one that is reluctant to leave because it is basking in the sun to get warm. Among snakebite victims, an unacceptably high number are bitten on the hands and arms when they are handling the snake. Do not catch a snake and do not handle one unless you are sure it is not venomous. In addition, for a short time after a snake is killed, its reflexes may continue to work. Those reflexes typically cause the body to writhe slowly for awhile, but they can cause a convulsive contraction and a bite, so you should not handle a freshly killed venomous snake. Our Online Guide to the Fla. Snakes contains a Key to Identification which will identify any Florida snake you might find and tell you whether it is vemonous or harmless.

Source: :cens0r:http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetology...e/venomsnk.htm

The Eastern Diamond-backed Rattlesnake is extremely beneficial to man because it preys on rats, mice, rabbits, and other warm blooded prey, many of which are considered pests. Nevertheless, the general public in Florida feels so threatened by this and other snakes that many are killed without consideration. This indiscriminate killing, combined with the widespread loss of Rattlesnake habitat to agricultural development and urban sprawl and commercial hunting for Rattlesnake skins, has caused a severe decline in most Eastern Diamond-backed Rattlesnake populations.

Source : :cens0r:http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetology...adamanteus.htm

The chances of being bitten by a venomous snake in the United States are very low, and the chance of death is virtually nonexistent, particularly given the availability and quality of medical care in the U.S. Approximately one out of 37,500 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the U.S. each year (7-8,000 bites per year), and only one out of 50 million people will die from snakebite (5-6 fatalities per year). The graph below compares deaths from venomous snakebites to some leading causes of death, lightning strikes and other animal related deaths. Did you know that you are nine times more likely to die from being struck by lightning than you are to die of venomous snakebite?

Source : :cens0r:http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/venom...ake_faqs.shtml

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

I live out in the desert and we have a preserves on both sides of us...even though it is a community. We see rattle snakes on a yearly basis. Personally scares the bejezus out of me. We do teach desert safety and we teach kids not to do certain things. One being...if the ball goes under a bush....get a rake to get it....do NOT reach in and get it. Be aware when you are out in the desert ..listen and look. We also take precautions to make sure that our backyard is blocked off. We net off the holes in the walls that allow water to flow out....make sure our gates are tight to the ground etc. If and when I see rattle snakes...we have a number to call so they are relocated. However lots of others kill them. We also have many kingsnakes here...those are treated like little gods around here.

To me if it can be relocated...then do it. After all...we moved into their turf.

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very good info most accidents can be avoided with a small amount of education. On a side note I have noticed though at least from my personal experience the last say 6 or 7 rattlers that I have come across do not rattle. I wish I could find the article but researchers were saying that rattlers are becoming less likely to rattle and give away their positions. They are relying more on their camo for protection.

I don't understand why this is even news. People kill rattlers all the time. Especially farmers to protect their livestock, kids and other animals. Really no different than killing something like a mountain lion that has decided to hang out in your backyard.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

I don't understand why this is even news. People kill rattlers all the time. Especially farmers to protect their livestock, kids and other animals. Really no different than killing something like a mountain lion that has decided to hang out in your backyard.

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Had you just shot a mountain lion for merely hanging out in your backyard you'd get locked up jesus christ people think before you post

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

Had you just shot a mountain lion for merely hanging out in your backyard you'd get locked up jesus christ people think before you post

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i agree

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

Had you just shot a mountain lion for merely hanging out in your backyard you'd get locked up jesus christ people think before you post

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Depends on what the mountain lion was doing. If it attacked you/livestock, then yes, you could probably shoot it under the idea of it being a danger to humans/livestock. You'd have to call the game warden afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Depends on what the mountain lion was doing. If it attacked you/livestock, then yes, you could probably shoot it under the idea of it being a danger to humans/livestock. You'd have to call the game warden afterwards.

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if it was attacking you you could kill it and it would be understandable, but if it was just cutting thru your yard minding its own business like the rattle was doing and you killed it youd be in some trouble

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

Had you just shot a mountain lion for merely hanging out in your backyard you'd get locked up jesus christ people think before you post

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LMFAO

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This is all just utterly rediculous. WE have moved onto these animals land, and WE do not have the right to kill them because they come too close to our homes. We have to learn to live with them, not kill them because they can be dangerous. I personally do not value human life over animal life (we're ALL living things), so no, I don't think there was any reason for killing this snake. He was minding his own damn business. The guy just wanted to feel tough and be praised, and if he could PIN the snake, he could have dealt with this more humanely, but he chose not to.

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

Had you just shot a mountain lion for merely hanging out in your backyard you'd get locked up jesus christ people think before you post

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No you wouldn't. Might get a cite for it, but you wouldn't get locked up. Regardless if you felt the mountain lion posed a danger you'd shoot it without caring about getting cited or locked up.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

No you wouldn't. Might get a cite for it, but you wouldn't get locked up. Regardless if you felt the mountain lion posed a danger you'd shoot it without caring about getting cited or locked up.

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If you shot a mountain lion for "hanging out" in your backyard I am pretty sure your :b0x0rz: is going to jail.

You cant just go around like a vigilante of the animal kingdon. Like a batman that hates animals or something. You can't just go around slaughtering living creatures for doing basically nothing.

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Originally Posted by PurplePython

If you shot a mountain lion for "hanging out" in your backyard I am pretty sure your :b0x0rz: is going to jail.

You cant just go around like a vigilante of the animal kingdon. Like a batman that hates animals or something. You can't just go around slaughtering living creatures for doing basically nothing.

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No you won't. If a cougar is lounging around in you backyard you have every right to perceive it as a threat to your life and limb (as well as that of your animals and neighbors) and kill it. Farmers do it all the time with cougars, coyotes, wolves... hell they even do it with their neighbors dogs. In the big city maybe not but out in the country things like that happen every single day.

You don't have to like it, but it's a fact of life.

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Originally Posted by PurplePython

If you shot a mountain lion for "hanging out" in your backyard I am pretty sure your :b0x0rz: is going to jail.

You cant just go around like a vigilante of the animal kingdon. Like a batman that hates animals or something. You can't just go around slaughtering living creatures for doing basically nothing.

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Considering they're not endangered, there's very little chance you'd get in trouble. It all depends on what state you're in, but for the most part, there's little issue. For example, here in Oklahoma, it's legal to shoot them if they're a nuisance. You're just required to haul them in to the wildlife department. Luckily, they're "rare" here. By rare, I mean that there hasn't been enough confirmed sightings..Even though plenty of people have seen them and a couple have been hit by vehicles.

the replies in this thread define the real snake people over the people who just happen to keep snakes.

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Originally Posted by redpython

the replies in this thread define the real snake people over the people who just happen to keep snakes.

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As well as those who are ignorant of the reality of the laws and how life works when it comes to animals in most places in the US.

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Originally Posted by redpython

the replies in this thread define the real snake people over the people who just happen to keep snakes.

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You're protective of your snakes. Especially the ones that cost the most and you don't want them harmed in any way, correct? I have several head of livestock that's worth between $600 to $1,000. I have one that I'm currently test breeding for another ranch who due to his bloodlines, is easily worth $3,000.

Do you think I'm going to sit around with my thumb up my bum while any form of predator is stalking around? No. Does killing snakes make me any less of a snake person? No. I imagine you wouldn't go up to a cat or dog person who had shot a dog/cat for attacking their own animals and say that they were only a dog/cat keeper.

Your statement in its entirety is absurd.

I would kill the damn thing too..so lock me up. I cant believe some people who put a friggin VENEMOUS snake ahead of human lives!!!!!!!!!!!:rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage:

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Originally Posted by redpython

the replies in this thread define the real snake people over the people who just happen to keep snakes.

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Not at all. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I would kill the damn thing too..so lock me up. I cant believe some people who put a friggin VENEMOUS snake ahead of human lives!!!!!!!!!!!:rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage:

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no one is doing this....

if you would maybe read the story, the guy pinned the snake down and cut its head off. If he pinned it down he could have easily just removed it or something. He didnt have to kill it.

No one is putting a snakes life ahead of a humans.

christ

Ummmmmm I did read the story....And several are saying because he killed the snake he should be locked up, that is BULL!!!!!!!!!!! I would do the same thing were I in that position!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

Ummmmmm I did read the story....And several are saying because he killed the snake he should be locked up, that is BULL!!!!!!!!!!! I would do the same thing were I in that position!!!!!!!

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He wasnt in that situation, HE PUT HIMSELF IN IT. Snakes are not out to harm anyone but live their lives. He came upon it, took it upon himself and killed it with out moving it him self. To me thats uncalled for. In your eyes any venomous snake you see wild is a threat and must be destroyed. Get real dude.

Ive kept a cobra years ago, it struck at me which is dangerous situation, did i chop its head off, NO cause its doing what its programed to do protect its self.

With attitude like that no wonder your emotions are in the way of the real picture.

Ummmmm yeah ok.......sorry for speaking or typing my mind when I think locking someone up for killing a snake is a little harsh!!!!! But anyway!!!

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

Ummmmm yeah ok.......sorry for speaking or typing my mind when I think locking someone up for killing a snake is a little harsh!!!!! But anyway!!!

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Its not harsh, read your state laws. Go kill a snake thats native to your state in front of a wildlife official and see where you end up.

Its illegal to kill native species with out special hunting permits

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Originally Posted by russ lawson

this sort of mentality (along with the irrational phobia of snakes by the majority of the population), is why we're seeing a decreased number of venomous snakes in the wild in the us. It saddens me that people think nothing of killing these beautiful animals when it requires less effort to call someone who could relocate them. If he's worried about it getting away before someone gets there, it's really not hard to put a bucket or something over the snake, then put a rock or something on top to make sure it stays put.

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exactly! Just put a bucket over it! This is just crazy, this story made me so mad

Here is what my state law says about venemous snakes: Taken from the Wildlife Code

Snakes in Missouri are protected by state law. The Wildlife Code of Missouri treats snakes, lizards and most turtles as nongame. This means there is no open season on these animals, and it is technically illegal to kill them. Of course, realistic exceptions exist, such as when a poisonous snake comes in close contact with humans, which could result in someone getting bitten.

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

Here is what my state law says about venemous snakes: Taken from the Wildlife Code

Snakes in Missouri are protected by state law. The Wildlife Code of Missouri treats snakes, lizards and most turtles as nongame. This means there is no open season on these animals, and it is technically illegal to kill them. Of course, realistic exceptions exist, such as when a poisonous snake comes in close contact with humans, which could result in someone getting bitten.

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One comes near me or my family, or my neighbors as they have kids also, it is dead. If the snake has to go then it has to go, better than a person being bit!!!!

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99.9999999999% of close encounters is OUR FAULT not thiers.

OK I guess you are right...humans are dumb and need to die a slow painful death due to a venemous snakebite!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

OK I guess you are right...humans are dumb and need to die a slow painful death due to a venemous snakebite!!!!!!!!

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Seriously dude grow up. We are the invading species taking over land that dont belong to us. We are disgustingly over populating this earth it sickens me. Snakes were here before we ever were, where else do you want them to go when your house was their home first.

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

OK I guess you are right...humans are dumb and need to die a slow painful death due to a venemous snakebite!!!!!!!!

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some humans.. yep..

Well that is the way with everything...like wolves, buffalo, bear, I guess just about any wild animal...

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

Well that is the way with everything...like wolves, buffalo, bear, I guess just about any wild animal...

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shooting a wolf for going after your household pet dog or your cattle is one thing.

pinning a snake down and cutting its head off with a knife when hes not even anywhere close to biting someone is a completely different story.

Ohhhhhhhh yeah I forgot that snakes dont bite dogs, or cattle...How silly of me to let that slip my mind...:rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

Ohhhhhhhh yeah I forgot that snakes dont bite dogs, or cattle...How silly of me to let that slip my mind...:rolleye2:

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Lmao. Did You even read the whole thread? Your 7 times more Likely to be struck by lightning then killed by a snake. Why don't you worry about something real and leave wild animals alone.
"hu yuck, dat dere snake near ma cattle. *spits* neva mind a experienced farmer like ma self. Ima just kill it"
you serious? You live on a >farm< and you would still kill these snakes?

Maybe the answer is just training. Teach these people how to properly deal with venomous snakes. Like the one user said (sorry I forget who it was) they teach thre kids to get the ball with a broom and such.

This is ridiculous. How many times have you been charged by your bulls? You know the odds are more in your favour for being killed that way then by the snake you killed?

Oh wait, I'm sorry, you know the bulls dangerous and you stay away from it right?

I didnt bring up the BS about cattle, but yes come to think of it I do stay away from bulls!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I didnt bring up the BS about cattle, but yes come to think of it I do stay away from bulls!!!!!!

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....a few posts up you mentioned wolves and stuff....

honestly how often do wolves or coyotes or mountain lions or any of that crap go out of its way to harm humans? wow am I missing something here? someone please tell me. Oh and bears! Cant forget bears! oh my! I remember the last time a bear charged me in my backyard.... oh wait..

Anyway this conversation has been fun to say the least!!! And in the end I do agree the guy SHOULD BE LOCKED UP...at the very least, but I am thinking more like executed in the electric chair, or maybe lethal injection!!!

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

Anyway this conversation has been fun to say the least!!! And in the end I do agree the guy SHOULD BE LOCKED UP...at the very least, but I am thinking more like executed in the electric chair, or maybe lethal injection!!!

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Comon dude it's a valid debate. I don't agree he should be locked up but definately should be some type of punishment. A fine or something.
But seriously you don't agree that people who live on farms that are also home to venomous snakes should continue with there ignorance?
I think they should try there best to understand what to do with them. I guess you could call it karma though when your barn gets infested with rats and mice and you end up with urine all over your feed...?
Not looking to argue just looking to help.

But please next time you find a snake in your field, avoid the bull, and call someone to come relocate it for you. Don't kill it...

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Originally Posted by Jeremy78

This is ridiculous. How many times have you been charged by your bulls? You know the odds are more in your favour for being killed that way then by the snake you killed?

Oh wait, I'm sorry, you know the bulls dangerous and you stay away from it right?

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I've never been charged by any of my animals. Males that show aggression towards me are either promptly sold or castrated. Sometimes both. I have no tolerance for my animals being aggressive. Perhaps this is why I can go out and handle my male animals during the peak of breeding season when they should be at their most aggressive.
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Since several people had said that those who kill snakes should be put in jail/killed..Come get me. I'm sure a judge would find your reasons laughable.