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Originally Posted by Skiploder

You may not like how he's saying it, but I can't see how you can't read between the lines.

So far, the guy who you are intent on having a running battle with is giving you the best advice on this thread. Maybe if I say it more politely, you will stop wasting your time flexing your e-mouth and get your animal digesting food again.

(1) You picked a very demanding and potentially dangerous animal to keep. I would ignore any care-sheet that down play the damage this animal could do to you. Monitors are not dogs and the potential for this monitor to seriously hurt you is very real - more real than it ever becoming "dog tame".

(2) I don't care what the situation is, as Pat and others have stated, that 55 gallon glass aquarium is inadequate - even for a day. Asking for plans to build a larger enclosure at this point is a waste of time. My advice is to get him into something of adequate size. Hint - a glass aquarium of any size is nothing but a varanus jerky making machine - so don't even bother going there. That animal is going to need a 16' long x 6' deep x 8' high enclosure when it's an adult. If I may be so bold to assume you are having hard time getting an adequate sized enclosure for him as a juvenile, you are going to find it impossible to provide an adequate adult sized enclosure.

(3) As has been stated, your temps are too low. I'd give him the option of a 135 degree hot spot. The cage you give him now will need to be big enough to allow a cool end that is in the 80s. The 55 gallon aquarium won't cut it.

(4) Do not self diagnose and self treat this animal for internal parasites. In your case, I would strongly recommend you him to a Vet and have him properly treated.

The fact that your croc is regurging, in cramped quarters and being kept at suboptimal temperatures is bad. You may not like hearing this, but no matter what you say your experience is with these animals, the fact that you were not prepared to provide it with proper care and were ready to take advice from an internet forum gives me little cause to believe you are ready for the responsibility this animal entails.

Log off the computer. Immediately get him into an adequately sized cage with a proper basking spot and a proper temperature and humidity gradient. Get him professionally treated for his internal parasites. Once you get those things nailed down, then you can jog back here and get testy all you want.

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Look, like I've said, I have owned a good number of big monitor species in the past. I know what the dangers are with these lizards, I have a great respect for them. I know the size enclosure he is in now is not the adequate size, but you should have seen what he was in before I got him. Unfortunately I don't have all of the old enclosures I had for my big lizards back then, but I will have one done for him asap. I already said im not 100% on this certain species care but everyone starts off somewhere when they want to acquire knowledge on a certain animal.

As for the croc bites. As simple as this, if what you like is owning dangerous animals, by all means go for it. But make sure you respect them and know how to properly handle them so you won't get hurt. And well, if you get hurt, just suck it up. No one made you own these animals. Thats what I go by. You guys keep stressing on it being dangerous, I know it's dangerous. Everyone should know it's dangerous, it's and animal with big claws, powerful jaws with very big sharp teeth that gets 12ft. +

So enough of the danger part, people don't exactly mention it to someone with monitors, cuz that person should already know what the dangers are.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

As for the croc bites. As simple as this, if what you like is owning dangerous animals, by all means go for it. But make sure you respect them and know how to properly handle them so you won't get hurt. And well, if you get hurt, just suck it up. No one made you own these animals. Thats what I go by. You guys keep stressing on it being dangerous, I know it's dangerous. Everyone should know it's dangerous, it's and animal with big claws, powerful jaws with very big sharp teeth that gets 12ft. +

So enough of the danger part, people don't exactly mention it to someone with monitors, cuz that person should already know what the dangers are.

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Kinda like that person should know that the animal can't digest food if it's stressed by being jammed in a glass tank and kept at sub-optimal temperatures?

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Kinda like that person should know that the animal can't digest food if it's stressed by being jammed in a glass tank and kept at sub-optimal temperatures?

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No, I have never had a situation like this. None of the lizards I've owned have ever had this problem. And like I said I'm learning about these crocs, this is also my first freshly WC monitor. Some of my old lizards that I have put in small cages (due to there enclosures having to be repaired) have never regurgitated there meals while they where in the small cages.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

please tell me what kind of animals you have, cuz of now your a lot of talk and no show.

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Originally Posted by allergenic

For example, I've kept Argus monitors,

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I've already said. I got my first Sav when I was 18 in 1994, and have had monitors in between then and now. I'm not going off topic turning this into an "I've had more experience than you" urinating contest. It honestly doesn't take someone with 16 years of monitor experience to look at the Proexotics link Skiploder posted and realize it's a dangerous animal.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Oh and as for the thing of me not being on a forum a lot, you should look at yourself.

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I've lurked here on and off for several years and have not been interested in posting. I've preferred in the past to stay away from the noob forums, they're disheartening at best because of threads like this one.

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Originally Posted by redstormlax12

The veterinary advice i gave is true. If you think this advice isn't correct then your knowledge of the internal workings and the effect of the medications is severely lacking.

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Originally Posted by redstormlax12

If the wooden enclosure was made properly and sealed well, then putting your croc in it will be no problem.
Getting him into the proper sized enclosure is the first thing you must do. This will allow him to thermoregulate properly and help to ease his stress. Next thing is call the vet in the morning, schedule the soonest possible appointment you can.

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Glad to see that you are so astute you're able to diagnose this guy's croc monitor and suggest pumping it full of medications without having ever kept a monitor yourself. Perhaps you should think about isolating medical advice to those animals one has actually kept. And enclosure advice! Win/win.

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And where as someone appreciated this so called "advice" your giving?

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Other threads.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

So far, the guy who you are intent on having a running battle with is giving you the best advice on this thread. Maybe if I say it more politely, you will stop wasting your time flexing your e-mouth and get your animal digesting food again.

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Thanks, better said than I was able to.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

As for the croc bites. As simple as this, if what you like is owning dangerous animals, by all means go for it. But make sure you respect them and know how to properly handle them so you won't get hurt. And well, if you get hurt, just suck it up. No one made you own these animals. Thats what I go by.

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What you're failing to realize is what I said in my first comment in this thread, and what Skiploder said as well. This ain't just about you, pal. When you get hurt, it will reflect badly on keepers as a whole. They are trying to pass laws to outlaw certain types of reptiles, including some monitors which are deemed too large/aggressive for the private sector. I for one like keeping monitors and do so responsibly, and don't want the negative actions of one person to impact responsible keepers as a whole. It's why this has gotten so heated, you are personally participating in jeopardizing my and others' ability to keep monitors.

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What you're failing to realize is what I said in my first comment in this thread, and what Skiploder said as well. This ain't just about you, pal. When you get hurt, it will reflect badly on keepers as a whole. They are trying to pass laws to outlaw certain types of reptiles, including some monitors which are deemed too large/aggressive for the private sector. I for one like keeping monitors and do so responsibly, and don't want the negative actions of one person to impact responsible keepers as a whole. It's why this has gotten so heated, you are personally participating in jeopardizing my and others' ability to keep monitors.

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Most of the banning off certain reptiles is due to releases into the wild. Not because of people getting hurt. Now, one thing is for the owner of the animal to get injured by the animal and another thing is if someone gets hurt by someone elses animal. I'm not doing anything to harm our herp keeping world, im just learning about a new species I have decided to get into, only problem is I currently don't have him in the right environment. Now, people already know these are dangerous animals, some people that stress out too much about the danger is whats killing this hobby. If you would say that yes this animal is dangerous but there is a way to keep them while not getting injured would sound better than you saying oh this is a very dangerous animal you don't know what your doing, blah, blah, blah.

Now tell me how I am jeopardizeing our monitor keeping situation?

I never suggested "pumping" the monitor with meds. I actually discouraged it. Again too much of a dewormer will kill the flora in the digestive tract. As far as the enclosure advice, its fine advice. The 13 foot by 4 foot enclosure would be better than the 55 gallon enclosure would it not? I never diagnosed his croc monitor. He suggested the deworming and i cautioned him.

And by all means, dont come back to this forum if its such a "noob forum". Your first comments have started to cause this thread to get out of hand. People respond better to polite advice, instead of saying their animal will die.

You may have extensive experience in monitors, and that is truly great. But if your knowledge is so vast, then by all means, share it with the people in search of it, instead of putting down the poster. Yes the conditions are much below and inadequate of what the monitor needs. But dont come on here, thinking you are gods gift to earth and start polluting this forum with rude remarks.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this. All hobbies has there good and bad things. If your gonna be a animal owner then get ready to get injured (and if you never do, then good for you) But everyone ends up getting injured somehow. As long as your not hurting other people in what you do. I mean anyone will get hurt and possibly killed in nascar driving, boxing, mma, skydiving, even fishing. And you don't see the government banning those hobbies. I mean look at zoo keepers, even they get hurt. Experienced reptile keepers get bit. So basically don't come here saying Im gonna hurt the herp hobby because i get injured by my own animal.

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So basically don't come here saying Im gonna hurt the herp hobby because i get injured by my own animal.

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I really don't want to get into this thread since it's so much BS already, but I just have to say this quick:

Unfortunatly, scales, claws, fangs, razor sharp teeth, and creepy crawlies are great fodder for the news. Nothing sells like headlines of a "creepy" pet taking a few fingers off its owner.

If you do get injured, don't let it become news fodder, because if it does, it WILL hurt the hobby.

Those little clips of people getting tagged by fairly harmless snakes that make it on "when animals attack" are already bad enough for the hobby. It's sad but true.

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I really don't want to get into this thread since it's so much BS already, but I just have to say this quick:

Unfortunatly, scales, claws, fangs, razor sharp teeth, and creepy crawlies are great fodder for the news. Nothing sells like headlines of a "creepy" pet taking a few fingers off its owner.

If you do get injured, don't let it become news fodder, because if it does, it WILL hurt the hobby.

Those little clips of people getting tagged by fairly harmless snakes that make it on "when animals attack" are already bad enough for the hobby. It's sad but true.

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Obviously, but have you seen me say, mention, or even seen me do videos or something on me getting attacked or injured by one of my animals?

Basically, If I where to get injured or attacked by one of my animals I wouldn't post a video of it. But then again, everytime someone does get bit or attacked a has a video of it on youtube everyone comments on it saying its cool. Cuz yes I've seen it in the past, you should complain to the people who are actually hurting this hobby.

allergenic may be a little rough around the edges but he is trying to help. You should probably both just start over and you should start listening.

The way you have it set up now is inappropriate, and when people try to say that you get angry. Don't do what's right for you, do what's right for the animal.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Most of the banning off certain reptiles is due to releases into the wild. Not because of people getting hurt. Now, one thing is for the owner of the animal to get injured by the animal and another thing is if someone gets hurt by someone elses animal. I'm not doing anything to harm our herp keeping world, im just learning about a new species I have decided to get into, only problem is I currently don't have him in the right environment. Now, people already know these are dangerous animals, some people that stress out too much about the danger is whats killing this hobby. If you would say that yes this animal is dangerous but there is a way to keep them while not getting injured would sound better than you saying oh this is a very dangerous animal you don't know what your doing, blah, blah, blah.

Now tell me how I am jeopardizeing our monitor keeping situation?

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The banning of certain reptiles is due to many things...one is propagation in the wild as an invasive species, another is people buying large boids, hots and large varanids without fully realizing the danger and respecting the capabilities of the animal.

As Mainbutter commented:

Unfortunatly, scales, claws, fangs, razor sharp teeth, and creepy crawlies are great fodder for the news.

Your claim that "people who stress out too much about the danger is whats (sic) killing this hobby" is both confusing and potentially misleading. First, the concern of conscientious owners who always are aware of the explosive danger some of these animals represent to their keepers isn't killing this hobby - it's helping it by keeping inappropriate animals out of the hands of inexperienced and foolish keepers. Whom you were admonishing doesn't matter at this point because your statement is wrong.

As a reptile owner, I am uncomfortable seeing a large number of retics and varanids in private homes - especially when these private owners seem to crop up over night, post like whores and then disappear as soon as they arrived.

There comes a time when an animal (be it lizard, snake or dog) grows beyond the easily managed and cute stage and shows it's owner what it is capable of. My cynical view is that there is a large percentage of people who buy large varanids and snakes who do not have the vaguest idea as to how much responsibility, effort and potential risk these animals represent.

Second, the real damage to this hobby comes at the hands of owners who shrug off the potential for harm these animals can cause.

You going out and buying an animal that you claimed you are "just learning about" and "a new species I have decided to get into" is case in point. You bought an animal (one of the potentially most dangerous to own) without having done your due diligence. You have - to this date - kept it at improper temps, in an inadequate cage with no idea how to deal with it's health issues. Regardless of whether you meant to or not, these actions show a lack of respect for the animal and the hobby.

You can debate this until you are blue in the face and it still won't change the fact that you are unprepared for this animal.

Um, this is about the 20th time I've said that I know I'm not meeting his care requirements. I know about the cage size I need for him and the temps now. Whats annoying me is that you guys keep stressing about him being dangerous, I already know he's dangerous. Apparently you guys want to keep at it. This is the thing about forums, people keep stating the same fact a million times so they can look all smart or w.e. Maybe it's just me, but I think the people that are basically trying to be hard are just plainly jealous of me because I own a croc monitor and they don't. lmao

But seriously, I as a herp hobbyist am going to get this croc into his right cage, temp requirements. And basically no thanks to you guys who weren't much help, just causing a problem (and thank you to those who really gave me info.)
And what cracks me up is that on the web since no one really knows anyones real history with reptiles, people tend to act smart and bash on people about a mistake they did. While in reality, they themselves have been in situations like mine, we are human, we are not perfect. The point of this thread was to give me knowledge on this animal, not to ridicule me. This is yet another reason why this hobby is slowly dieing, because MOST people in it tend to be a know it all (don't take this wrong for the people who actually try to help). And again thanks for the help to those who deserve my thanks, and Ill be back soon on the BP section when my bp's drop some eggs. And as for my croc, I will enjoy him myself, no use in posting updates on him cuz apparently according to the smart guys here, he won't last with me.

Talking to a wall.

[QUOTE= There comes a time when an animal (be it lizard, snake or dog) grows beyond the easily managed and cute stage and shows it's owner what it is capable of. My cynical view is that there is a large percentage of people who buy large varanids and snakes who do not have the vaguest idea as to how much responsibility, effort and potential risk these animals represent.

Second, the real damage to this hobby comes at the hands of owners who shrug off the potential for harm these animals can cause.

You going out and buying an animal that you claimed you are "just learning about" and "a new species I have decided to get into" is case in point. You bought an animal (one of the potentially most dangerous to own) without having done your due diligence. You have - to this date - kept it at improper temps, in an inadequate cage with no idea how to deal with it's health issues. Regardless of whether you meant to or not, these actions show a lack of respect for the animal and the hobby.

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I'm not trying to jump on the bandwagon here and pick on the OP, just pointing out what some fail to think of.

Keepers of such potentially dangerous animals often don't consider what could happen if their pet unintentionally gets OUT. If you live in an area like lower Florida then the animal is likely to survive because of the great weather conditions, and that's why they are having problems there. These aren't slow moving like snakes but amazingly quick, especially when hungry! They climb trees and jump on their prey. It could easily burrow out, or if a bad storm hits (storms in Florida?) the cage could get damaged by a falling tree etc. What's going to happen when you hear that your croc escaped it's outdoor cage & attacked or killed someone's child? There is so much more to the ownership of such an animal than most people realize.

You need a back up plan for the main plan, and lots of $$$ for damage control. And if you don't have the cash to get it to a vet to take care of those parasites, you can't afford the damage control once it gets well and reaches maturity.

I've always wanted a Tiger, but even if I could afford it I still wouldn't get one because there's just too much potential for catastrophe. And THAT'S what hurts our hobby. 'Oops, I didn't think it could get out... '

I think it has a better chance in the Everglades. I don't care if you kept
freakin dinosaurs before, your husbandry is sickning. From a person with acurite moniter keeping, listen to those you dislike most, they are right. I feel bad for all your
moniters. An adult croc would use every bit of a full room enclosure

It's been a great ride, and since this thread will probably be locked soon, I thought I'd use analogies to relate the two major lessons I've learned in the past 24 hours.

1. I could buy a half grown Retic and keep it in a tiny rabbit hutch with a heat lamp. Even though I would be epic failing at its husbandry, it is in no way an indicator that I won't be able to take care of it if I just "respect the animal for what it is". Anyone who tells me I'm not ready for a potentially 22 foot snake because I don't even know its basic care is clearly only on the Internet to bully people and look smart at other people's expense.

2. Anyone who has kept a leopard gecko or Savannah Monitor is qualified to go onto Retic forums and dispense husbandry and medical advice about care for potentially 22 foot snakes, despite having never been around them before. If someone has a real and difficult question, they can just link to a caresheet from Bob's Herptile Site, and be thanked profusely and told that they are the only ones really helping in the thread.

I've been on holidays for the past few days, and have missed one entertaining thread.

To the OP: there are LOTS of people with LOTS of varanid experience who would be shunned upon for choosing Varanus salvadorii. I'm gathering from the majority of posters here that not many of them have had experience with this particular creature. For good reason. Now, I know you CHOSE to keep this animal and you came looking for advice for its regurg problem and didn't expect the trashing you received. Sorry I wasn't here to contribute. You say you've had Niles, waters, etc. before. Where are they now? The same fate as the burm you had before? Eliminating mites and ticks is pretty easy stuff for most herpetoculturists with any experience; it seems again you're pretty lacking.

What you fail to realize, is a lot of varanophiles are very passionate about their animals, and shudder when they see a situation such as the one you find yourself in, and cannot help but want to scream "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING WITH AN ANIMAL THAT YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT". This is not a rescued bp you have taken in. It is a wild caught, highly stressed and very young crocodile monitor that, in the best scenario, will take probably two years or more of very intense trust establishing before you find yourself at minimal risk from serious injury.

But, since you know it all already, and don't need any advice (I mean, with all the experience with varanids that you have, you already know about their high basking temps and voracious appetites and fossorial/arboreal tendencies), I won't bother giving any; because you've already proven to be a brick wall.

I will, however, wish you luck with your acquisition, and hope desperately that you take this opportunity to make all of us "bashers" look like idiots. Post pics in two years...

And read my sig...

Chris

This ones for mumps. My monitors have never died, reason I got rid off most off them was for the fact that they had passed the ROC permit and I got the wrong info and thought that any monitor that grows over 6 feet would have to require an ROC permit. So i got rid of them and found out later that, that wasn't the case. And here is the savy I kept, he is about 2 1/2 feet now and he's doing great. I had him since he was a baby.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...on17/savy2.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...on17/savy1.jpg

These are pics of him from today while I was giving him a soak.

allergenic as much as he comes off the wrong way does know his stuff about monitors and there care. He may not say it in the nicest way but im sure he means well. Ive butted heads with him before but if you take the time to read his posts that have info you will find what your looking for.

BallPython17.

How old is that exanthematicus? You say you've had him since he was a baby. Looks to be about 8 months old to me.

This is my Varanus ornatus, captive bred and 18 months old. He's almost 5 feet in length...

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/IMG_0101.jpg

Chris

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BallPython17.

How old is that exanthematicus? You say you've had him since he was a baby. Looks to be about 8 months old to me.

This is my Varanus ornatus, captive bred and 18 months old. He's almost 5 feet in length...

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/IMG_0101.jpg

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that is one beautiful monitor. :gj:

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Anyone who has kept a leopard gecko or Savannah Monitor is qualified to go onto Retic forums and dispense husbandry and medical advice about care for potentially 22 foot snakes, despite having never been around them before. If someone has a real and difficult question, they can just link to a caresheet from Bob's Herptile Site, and be thanked profusely and told that they are the only ones really helping in the thread.

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Im guessing this is directed at me. The funny thing is my medical advice on the meds destroying flora in the digestive tract is completely acurate, if you dont believe me your either ignorant or know nothing about what the medications are actually doing. I gave him the caresheet for general information, such as the temps, since his temps were too low. Just because i havent been around a croc before doesnt mean i know what the meds will actually to do its inner workings.

My savy is about a year and a half old. At first every five months he would grow a foot now he's a good 2 feet and probably a little more. Recently he's been getting fatter instead of longer. Then again, he's a savy, they don't get that big. And on top off that i was told she was a female.

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My savy is about a year and a half old. At first every five months he would grow a foot now he's a good 2 feet and probably a little more. Recently he's been getting fatter instead of longer. Then again, he's a savy, they don't get that big. And on top off that i was told she was a female.

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ive stayed out of this thread and just read for comic relief for as long as i could. NOW I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW I HAVE 0 MONITOR EXPERIECE. I am getting my frist savvy this sunday and have had his setup ready and dry running making sure of temps and everything is ok for the last week, just so i dont have any problems, and have been reading the past 2 months on everything i can about them. Wether its the proexotic sheets on all their monitors to everything else i can about them. Thats 2 months for a savvy, for a croc? id start reading now, and think about getting one the day after i died....

that being said you last statement is probably the most RETARDED thing anyone in this thread has said. a year and a half would make it give or take 18 months, and by your statement, HE was going a foot every 5 months... 18/5=3... 3*1' = ~3' and change.... but somehow HE is 2 feet and possibly change, but wait! all of a sudden at the end of your post HE is now a SHE, after you have been typing he for the whole first part of your paragraph...


I do hope this situation ends well for you, i wont with ill on you or your poor monitor, but IF, notice i dont say when, but im sure it is a when, it takes your finger, hand, or god only knows what, i do hope you come back and tell us.

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ive stayed out of this thread and just read for comic relief for as long as i could. NOW I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW I HAVE 0 MONITOR EXPERIECE. I am getting my frist savvy this sunday and have had his setup ready and dry running making sure of temps and everything is ok for the last week, just so i dont have any problems, and have been reading the past 2 months on everything i can about them. Wether its the proexotic sheets on all their monitors to everything else i can about them. Thats 2 months for a savvy, for a croc? id start reading now, and think about getting one the day after i died....

that being said you last statement is probably the most RETARDED thing anyone in this thread has said. a year and a half would make it give or take 18 months, and by your statement, HE was going a foot every 5 months... 18/5=3... 3*1' = ~3' and change.... but somehow HE is 2 feet and possibly change, but wait! all of a sudden at the end of your post HE is now a SHE, after you have been typing he for the whole first part of your paragraph...


I do hope this situation ends well for you, i wont with ill on you or your poor monitor, but IF, notice i dont say when, but im sure it is a when, it takes your finger, hand, or god only knows what, i do hope you come back and tell us.

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Um, buddy. I type he or she just because Im not sure if he is a he or a she. and plus he is shorter to type than she. regardless im not breeding them so i don't care if he is a he or a she. second savy usually get about 3 to 4 feet, obviously males being bigger and people tell me mines a girl. and from what ive noticed, when monitors get to a certain lenght they'll start getting more bulkier instead of getting longer. And my savy has been getting more bulky than long.

Oh and if he does take a finger or injures me than hey, thats what happens when you keep dangerous animals. I hope your retic doesn't kill you. Cuz if my monitor can take of my finger your retic can kill you for sure.

Croc monitors are very beautiful. I know you got this monitor going in blind. From the post i read you didnt know enough. I learn as much as i can get the enclosure right, then i buy. Dont get me wrong. Im not saying you cant take care of him/her, but your off to a really bad start. Do yourself and him/her a big favor and give it to a zoo or something. It would be best. Then learn as much as you can about them, and buy or make the proper enclosure, then get one.I love my nile and water monitors but i wouldnt get a croc monitor. Monitors will never be tame. They will always be wild. Yes they can get comfortable around us but they can still pose a threat. Always remember that. And like i said dont get me wrong. And if you do keep him/her i hope you can get that enclosure built fast. I also hope you move him into a larger quarantine enclosure. I do wish you and him/her the best no matter what you do.

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that being said you last statement is probably the most RETARDED thing anyone in this thread has said. a year and a half would make it give or take 18 months, and by your statement, HE was going a foot every 5 months... 18/5=3... 3*1' = ~3' and change.... but somehow HE is 2 feet and possibly change, but wait! all of a sudden at the end of your post HE is now a SHE, after you have been typing he for the whole first part of your paragraph...

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Try to actually read what he is saying before you say his statement is retarded and then come in guns blazin and sound like a fool yourself. He said AT FIRST he was growing about a foot every 5 months. That was AT FIRST. He never stated he has been continually growing a foot every 5 months for the past 18 months.

Just post was truly junk, and it would have been better for you to just stay out of the thread and just continue to read it for "comic relief".

How many at first 5 months can you have when were talking about an animal that lives as long as monitors do? For the extra keystroke it is for a she not he seems like the extra effort would have been worth it to not contradict yourself mid paragraph :/

I know my retic will have the possibility to kill me but I also know a large retic isn't something to be handled by myself and as much as I hate it if it ever latched onto me and was a life or death situation the people that will be with me will have to problem pulling out their knifes and killing Lady and I would do the same if she went after them. You balso hit the point where how often there isn't much handling to do with an 18+ ft snake. Knock on wood my retic is one of my only snakes that has never even tried to strike/lunge at me, I have also had her from her being 13 weeks old to now 6 1/4' seems that more people worry about a crroc monitor than an adult retic

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Originally Posted by JLuck13

How many at first 5 months can you have when were talking about an animal that lives as long as monitors do? For the extra keystroke it is for a she not he seems like the extra effort would have been worth it to not contradict yourself mid paragraph :/

I know my retic will have the possibility to kill me but I also know a large retic isn't something to be handled by myself and as much as I hate it if it ever latched onto me and was a life or death situation the people that will be with me will have to problem pulling out their knifes and killing Lady and I would do the same if she went after them. You balso hit the point where how often there isn't much handling to do with an 18+ ft snake. Knock on wood my retic is one of my only snakes that has never even tried to strike/lunge at me, I have also had her from her being 13 weeks old to now 6 1/4' seems that more people worry about a crroc monitor than an adult retic

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I've owned retics in the past. I know what you mean that some will be a bit tame. But a retic is an animal that i will never trust when it's big enough to get a hold of me and over power me. It only takes that one time when your retic is 12+ feet and he mistakes you for food. Now you got a problem. As of people being more concerned of croc monitors than retics, I would have to disagree. A croc monitor will have the potential to injure me badly, but not to the point where he would kill me. Now a retic, they are powerful, once those coils are on you, your in serious trouble. Now I won't discourage you to own your retic or any big snake as long as your up for the consequences (if something occurs) and that you are up for the challenge and aren't scared of some pain.

Now at the end they are great animals, just like my croc. I'm up for the challenge of owning a croc monitor and if I get injured, thats all on me. And like I said, the start with my croc isn't good so far. But it will be, because he will be taken care off.

this should be locked or somthing, most of us moniter owner are smart-butts, because we know it takes a lot to care for these animals and they are a big responsability, So, me personnaly its why i seem critical when i here people keeping moniters, 80% time the keep them WRONG

9 pages on a single animal and only 1 pic? lol
Can we see an update photo? He is very beautiful!

Good job on selecting one of the most dangerous, unsuited for captivity and demanding reptiles anyone could ever buy and for arguing with the very people who gave you the best advice on its care. :gj:

Hope you get to keep your fingers. :please:

For all those thinking of getting a Croc Monitor
http://www.proexotics.com/faq_images...head_wound.jpg
http://www.proexotics.com/faq_images...hand_wound.jpg
Are you really ready to risk injury like that or worse?

Is it a myth you cant bandage/sew up monitor bite wounds?

why would you not be able to? if you can clean up a stabbing wound im sure you can clean up a monitor bite lol

Probably in reference to the anti-coagulating effect of their saliva, the would just bleeds for a long time.

So you can cover it, but its just gonna be messy for a while.

Yes a very ancient thread, however I figured that I should probably give up my own personal picture of a crocodile monitor bite wound, and I didn't know where else to put it.


http://s1198.photobucket.com/albums/...-31at533PM.jpg

If that picture doesn't work here's the direct link:
http://s1198.photobucket.com/albums/...-31at533PM.jpg


The monitor that grabbed me there was about 4.5ft long, and that was merely the side of his jaw. Not a full on bite. That just shows you what it's like when getting into a lizard like this. Think less lizard, and more dinosaur when dealing with croc monitors.
I'd hate to see what a big 8ft male could do with a bite, honestly I'd imagine if one ever got a bite on someone's throat it could end in a fatality.
While reading through this thread it's plain to see why so few crocodile monitors live to adulthood in captivity; they end up with some kid who doesn't know how to care for them, and then they die before their first year.
Luckily the crocodile monitor who gave me that bite ended up with a very nice man who clearly knew what he was doing.

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...-31at533PM.jpg

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^^^^^^^ picture linked above, grid all you have to do is copy the code for forums full size as the forum will re-size it and paste.

Thanks, I'm really clueless about the whole posting pictures thing. I'm not really a good internet guy.

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Originally Posted by Grid

Thanks, I'm really clueless about the whole posting pictures thing. I'm not really a good internet guy.

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No problem, nasty bite by the way, they are intense animals. I think the reward>risks.

This thread is legendary and Skiploder is my hero.

That is all.