Help... What is this?

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Originally Posted by cgator

so have them tell you what this release is ... cause im clueless ... im just throwing out possibilitys to help you ... i just find it odd how its so similar to the other pic

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No, what's really odd, well not really, is your willingness to jump to a conclusion based on a single photo and a single incident that you, if it was you in person, witnessed at some time in the past.

Your inability to grasp the fact that just because you don't know someone means nothing in regards to whether or not they can properly sex a snake.

It could be expelled fat. It could be any number of things. You don't see most of us who have more than 2 minutes experience jumping to conclusions and insisting that someone must have mis-sexed that snake because it looks like something you saw a female do one time.

This isn't exactly a mystery that has a time limit on solving it. A day or two isn't going to make any difference.

Alright fellas, Play nice. I just want answers and I am willing to hear all types of explanations.

Wes, I understand that the snake was sexed by you and others and I was told it was a male. I believe that he is a male but it will not hurt to have him re-sexed again right?

cgator- I understand why you think what you do but i just don't see this snake being a female. I have faith in the breeder and the others who have sexed this animal and their abilities to do so.

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Originally Posted by cgator

take it to someone who actually knows what they are doing ...dont just have a friend do it cause it saves you $5 ... your from cali plenty of reputable breeders out there ... i believe Amir Soleymani is around your neck of the woods

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Wow No Amir lives in southern Florida and second a proven breeder Wes Pollock (Wilomn here ) has sexed he snake. Also his best friend is one of the best breeders on the West coast so calm down skippy and watch the pretty text here you are in time out :D:D I Jest

You may very well have a hermaphroditic snake. If it in fact probes male, I think it may very well be both. It is not impossible, however, it may only be good as a breeder as a male and produce infertile eggs from here on out. If it is hermaphroditic, it would be interesting to see if it produces more of one sex than the other. Keep records of the offspring's genders.

Folks this snake sired at least five healthy clutches(dont know many females that have done that), as mentioned the sex is not in question but only what has come out of it. It does appear to be some kind of fatty deposit IMO.

Wes(wilomn) has been keeping snakes for longer than many of you have been alive so instead of arguing lets stick to the facts. Puss in snakes is hard and not usually clear so I dont think thats it, scar tissue on the other hand is soft and squishy and could also be a possibility. I had Dr. Stahl(reptile expert) teach/show me this and although I have felt scar tissue from the exterior(soft and squishy) of a snake I have never seen it so that could be another possibilty.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Folks this snake sired at least five healthy clutches(dont know many females that have done that), as mentioned the sex is not in question but only what has come out of it. It does appear to be some kind of fatty deposit IMO.

Wes(wilomn) has been keeping snakes for longer than many of you have been alive so instead of arguing lets stick to the facts. Puss in snakes is hard and not usually clear so I dont think thats it, scar tissue on the other hand is soft and squishy and could also be a possibility. I had Dr. Stahl(reptile expert) teach/show me this and although I have felt scar tissue from the exterior(soft and squishy) of a snake I have never seen it so that could be another possibilty.

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I don't know how scare tissue would of come to be though.

I am in no way doubting you or what you say. I just want to find answers

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Folks this snake sired at least five healthy clutches(don't know many females that have done that), as mentioned the sex is not in question but only what has come out of it. It does appear to be some kind of fatty deposit IMO.

Wes(wilomn) has been keeping snakes for longer than many of you have been alive so instead of arguing lets stick to the facts. Puss in snakes is hard and not usually clear so I don't think that's it, scar tissue on the other hand is soft and squishy and could also be a possibility. I had Dr. Stahl(reptile expert) teach/show me this and although I have felt scar tissue from the exterior(soft and squishy) of a snake I have never seen it so that could be another possibility.

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WCJ, I don't think at this point anyone doubts that he/she has sired clutches in the past. Please keep in mind I sent this thread to my ex-wife who is a vet (herp is her major course of study) and she said it is possible for the snake to be hermaphroditic and to be a viable sire). It is possible that you have one that is both. He/she may be able to do both, only breeding experiments will tell. But think, this is a very valuable snake if this is the case!!!

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Originally Posted by Covington

WCJ, I don't think at this point anyone doubts that he/she has sired clutches in the past. Please keep in mind I sent this thread to my ex-wife who is a vet (herp is her major course of study) and she said it is possible for the snake to be hermaphroditic and to be a viable sire). It is possible that you have one that is both. He/she may be able to do both, only breeding experiments will tell. But think, this is a very valuable snake if this is the case!!!

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I really doubt this snake is both sexes. I have been doing a ton of searching online and I do not see anything about a snake being about to be both sexes.

what is your wifes source on this being true?

She graduated from UC Davis. She is my ex-wife but I will get the source from her. Luckily we are still good friends. Stay tuned.

If you really want to know what is going on here, give the substance to a vet to stick in formalin and submit to a pathologist for histology.

Intersex conditions in snakes would not surprise me, it happens all over the animal kingdom. However, I would love to know more about intersex snakes reproducing successfully. I would have thought, based on my knowledge of intersex mammals, that the condition would lead to infertility.

I wouldnt be surprized if the snake was both sexes.
Think about paradox snakes. Are they not 2 snakes that merged in the egg to become one snake? They are also refered to as chimeras. There is a thread on here about that.
So what if the 2 snakes were a male and a female then merged and you ended up with one snake that had 2 sets of genes. one male and one female?

Well I contacted my vet and I am waiting to hear back. The "stuff" in question is in the freezer in case he requests it being brought in.

Hi,

I hope you get it figured out and it is nothing to worry about. :please:

I wondered if it could be fat from prey items? Is it possible for that to be left in the animals digestive system and then passed later in the usual way?

I have no idea if that is even possible but the old wives tale of 7 pounds of undigested meat in the human digestive tract and the unfortunate incident of the burmese that got badly burnt from a fatty regurge acting like napalm made me wonder.


dr del

Next time put stuff in the fridge, not the freezer. Ice crystals destroy cells and makes microscopic examinations worthless. :(

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Originally Posted by CritterVet

Next time put stuff in the fridge, not the freezer. Ice crystals destroy cells and makes microscopic examinations worthless. :(

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There in the fridge, I typed freezer because thats what I was thinking.

My Mistake.

so what was that stuff?? what happened?? is the snake ok??

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Originally Posted by mpkeelee

so what was that stuff?? what happened?? is the snake ok??

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The day after I posted the thread I contacted my vet and told him what had happened and what i have been told and heard. He said it sounds like an abnormal stool and to keep an eye on him to see if anything was out of the ordinary and to see how hes eating.

The snake has since eaten and had a bowel movement and is currently in shed. He seems to be doing fine. I am keeping him out of the breeding plans for a little while just to be 100% sure.

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Lewis

sorry to post link but a similar looking substance here with a not good result. I'd get it to the vet just in case. :weirdface

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/snake...what-hell.html

That one turned out to be this....

had the phone call from the vet, its worse than i ever could of imagined. he has an inflamed and then split stomach 2 weeks ago, his stomach acids just went to work on the surrounding areas then died of septicemia.

worst part is she is pretty sure he had cryptosporidium which basically is a nasty bacteria that is difficult to get rid of and can infect others, including humans! i have had a bad stomache for months now. we think it was the female that gave him it when they were first introduced months ago. on futher questioning it looks as tho she is showing signs of the disease also, she regurged her last meal which is unlike her and a good sign towards this disease.

Sounds like yours is doing fine now...thankfully! If you see it again bring it up to your vet!! I just learned something new today...thank you everyone!!

Hope everything is ok with your bp. Keep us posted about its condition. thanks