HR 2811 live feed?

"IDEAR" There is no major problem other than the major problem being the stupid people who buy these snakes and eventually can't handle them which can be solved by just giving away the snake to a person that can actually care properly for the snake at full size. And people buy shark eggs/sharks all the time and put them in their fishtanks. lol@her

Ok, first of all, I would love to see actual proof that a child was eaten in the United States.

And I love this... Does any one remember the story several years ago about the little boy who stumbled on a Mama Gator's nest and was killed? I believe that this was in Florida. Every one screamed about how gators were evil and should be all killed, blah, blah, blah. Does no one remember how dangerous they were?

And I know of several people who keep sharks... I used to clean their tanks... But yeah...

Whoever that lady is thats speaking... SHE IS IGNORANT


Anyone who is NOT talking about LOCALES is IGNORANT. RRRRRRRR

Will this be archived someplace? I just woke up and want to watch the whole thing later today.

They need some kind of audio management on this matter. There is a massive amount of distortion. A compressor would fix that. It is very annoying.:rage:

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They need some kind of audio management on this matter. There is a massive amount of distortion. A compressor would fix that. It is very annoying.:rage:

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Post 666 for you...

Finally one of the members

"since there already there what good would this bill do "

I was on a Boa forum last night and there was very little mention of this. Well, I'll bet that forum is heating up now. Not only is it now their problem, but too late for them to make a showing...


Rob

Do they realize that a ball python eats a medium-large rat for food at its largest? How is that a threat?

And see that is something I dont understand. We as a community should all be in this together and should all have each others backs. But when usark sent the email stating it was only rocks and burms everyone just kinda shrugged and said oh well we dont work with them. But if they ban one they will go for them all. And now that balls and boas are on the table EVERYONE is flipping out. We need to help each other regardless of what they try to ban venomous, crocs, big snakes, anything. We all need to fight regardless of if we keep them or not

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Do they realize that a ball python eats a medium-large rat for food at its largest? How is that a threat?

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no they have no knowledge of snakes what so ever

The boa community knew just as much about this as anyone. Many of them are just as involved in the fight as anyone... I know there are a few in Washington, fighting for their animals just as hard as we are.

EDIT: And I'm sure if they DO get a bill passed making boas illegal, BPs won't be far behind down the road. Just because they aren't talking about us now doesn't mean they won't be.

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Post 666 for you...

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??? I'm confused:rolleye2:

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??? I'm confused:rolleye2:

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that was your 666th post. That's all

I'm fighting for everyone. I think it should be our right to keep any animal we wish, as long as we are doing it right. If this goes, regardless if balls are on there or not, they could be someday. It will never stop. We are greater as a whole rather that split into our separate groups.

I've got your back!

We'll be back in a week!

Well it's been nice commenting with you guys on this issue.....Till next time:salute:

so lets bug the crap out of them for the next week calling and faxing. Also you can call after 5 and fill there answering machine up.

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so lets bug the crap out of them for the next week calling and faxing. Also you can call after 5 and fill there answering machine up.

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Will do!

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so lets bug the crap out of them for the next week calling and faxing. Also you can call after 5 and fill there answering machine up.

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X2 for me :)

Noone stop. Everyone should make calls and REQUEST that those people call them back. So they can Spread FACTS.

Speak Passionately, not angrily, tell them the facts, tell them that there are different species different animals of different sizes. There are many locales of animals that vary in size from Burmese pythons.

you have to get the info out there. KEEP calling

Giant constrictors

Such dangerous childeating MONSTERS!!!
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e5...n/snake036.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e5...snake003-1.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e5...n/snake054.jpg

Simply gorgeous! You should send them these pics, and say "here are the facts. This is what resposible owners are like." We could show them the passionate side of the trade.

What exactly was the conclusion?

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What exactly was the conclusion?

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There taking a week to get more info on the situation. But I loved how the one guy said since there is already an established breeding colony of burms what good would this bill do

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They are going to meet in a week to hear more arguments.

So we got another week to rally re-enforcements. Man, this seems like the Battle of the Alamo...

better get use to it. Even if it does not pass they are probably going to be introducing bills similar to this every year now

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better get use to it. Even if it does not pass they are probably going to be introducing bills similar to this every year now

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I wouldn't expect any different. I think we are going to be ok for a few months now. Another mass shooting just happened in Orlando. I imagine reptiles will be put on the shelf for a while and now guns will be tossed on the chopping block. I guess I better go check the gun forums to see if ther is any updates. Dang, how did I end up with two of the most controversial hobbies?

One thing I heard mentioned just briefly that really worries me is that they might consider banning other species because they look similar as babies and would make it hard to distinguish between species as they were inspecting shipments. Did anyone else catch that???

Now any idiot with 10 minutes of training should be able to distinguish between a baby ball python and a baby burmese, but what is the likelyhood that they would use this as an excuse to ban further species? Pretty good I would think.

yes I herd that. And he was from the fish and game service so he should be able to tell a difference in some snake species

Anyone know if this is archived someplace? Only saw about 5 minutes and would like to see the whole thing.

In regards to the comment about kids being eaten by Burms....

SERIOUSLY. Why aren't the committee members asking for proof?! Why do people just blindly believe what is told them???? ARGH. I think the last shreds of faith in humanity I have are vanishing.

Even though i am way up in Canada i watched the live feed and noticed a few things .
1. they talked too much about Florida this bill will harm the trade in other states. EX. Washington state sells to New York state.
2. there was no comparison made for other dangerous animals.
3. maybe start fighting fire with fire send them a couple of hundred thousand requests that the common cat and dog should be listed as injurious in the Lacey act based on real actual deaths and injuries that outnumber the problem with snakes 100's to one. Complete with graphic pictures.
4. There are hundreds of other species that would feed on the same list of wildlife that was spoken of , monitors, cats for example.
5. Send these bozo's a ton of pictures depicting the decimation of red listed animals by other species that would never be listed like the house cat.

Something I've been wondering about: when they say "boa constrictor," what are they actually meaning? It's obvious that these people don't understand what a "genus" is versus "species," so I don't trust them to know that "boa constrictor" (or just "boa") is the genus and includes several species and subspecies. There are many other snakes that are commonly called "boas," such as Rainbow, Tree, etc. Are all snakes called "boas" included?

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Something I've been wondering about: when they say "boa constrictor," what are they actually meaning? It's obvious that these people don't understand what a "genus" is versus "species," so I don't trust them to know that "boa constrictor" (or just "boa") is the genus and includes several species and subspecies. There are many other snakes that are commonly called "boas," such as Rainbow, Tree, etc. Are all snakes called "boas" included?

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THIS NEEDS to be brought up at the next hearing.

This is SUCH an important fact. One that could be SO devastating. They get one leg on this and they will go for blood. NONE of this can pass.

I'd also like to remind folks, that not only are your individual voices important in making calls and calling in faxes, but your monetary donations to both USARK and Pijac are equally important.

Can you imagine what would or could have happend if we didn't have both of these groups actively monitoring and lobbying in the halls of Congress?

Donate what you can - but please donate to help keep both of them funded!


http://www.usark.org/donate.php

http://www.pijac.org/

So what was the outcome? I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!