This is F'en reeeeedickulous!!!!!

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

the mcdonalds case wasn't a frivolous law suit. That coffee really was WAY too hot (hot enough for that woman to receive full thickness burns, those are 3rd degree burns and the worst kind of burns). It was between 180F and 190F.

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Alright!!!! Hope what you stated IS fact about her case. Because heres my evidence that people should be responsible for their own ability to grasp and object, and if they cannot properly do so, then they should find other means to do so.

http://pics.livejournal.com/mooingtricycle/pic/001hk6sb

We serve coffee this hot every day. and people seem to manage just fine! Improper handling due to this womans part is her own fault, and no fault of Mc Donalds, Unless of course, they threw it at her. Then she would be justified in suing. dropping the coffee in her own lap, is her own clumsiness. But, i do not know the details, so this is neither really here, nor there.


I handled this coffee with care, while pouring it into our dispensers. I then made my own cup of it! I also added some milk to my own taste, and two small packets of sugar. It was delicious, and i drank it immediately! :rofl:

according to all the info i've found about the case there is no reason for hot beverages to be more than 140F, with 135F being the norm. I don't drink hot beverages, i'm just saying 3rd degree burns arent what i'd consider fodder in a frivolous lawsuit.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

according to all the info i've found about the case there is no reason for hot beverages to be more than 140F, with 135F being the norm. I don't drink hot beverages, i'm just saying 3rd degree burns arent what i'd consider fodder in a frivolous lawsuit.

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depending how they are caused. yes. maybe.

What if she did it to herself on purpose? for the money?

What if?


Thats all im saying. Shes responsible for her grip on that coffee, and while she won, i dont necessarily agree with it, given the information i have at this current time.

I agree with most, that this case is pretty stupid. And yes, Americans are always happy to sue each other. I'm sure the court shows on TV don't help. They just give off stupid ideas to people. Yay for Media...

IMO, this like a burglar breaking into your house, getting hurt and suing you! It should not happen that way. And yes, burglars CAN sue people for getting hurt in their victims house. I don't know if it's something that will hold water through an entire court hearing though.

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Originally Posted by mooingtricycle

depending how they are caused. yes. maybe.

What if she did it to herself on purpose? for the money?

What if?


Thats all im saying. Shes responsible for her grip on that coffee, and while she won, i dont necessarily agree with it, given the information i have at this current time.

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i can't argue with that, but wasn't it that lawsuit that put the "warning hot beverage" label on the cups in 400 languages? so NOW no one really has an excuse.

And i cant even begin to put myself into the mindset that someone would have to be in to give themselves third degree burns on purpose. :confused: no thanks.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

i can't argue with that, but wasn't it that lawsuit that put the "warning hot beverage" label on the cups in 400 languages? so NOW no one really has an excuse.

And i cant even begin to put myself into the mindset that someone would have to be in to give themselves third degree burns on purpose. :confused: no thanks.

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but do we need a warning sign for general knowledge? last time i checked most ppl that drink hot beverages dont prefer them to be cold

seriously whats next do i have to have electrical warnings on my outlets in my house or a warning sign on the hot side of every faucet tripping hazard signs on my front steps?

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Whos talking about lying for personal gain? Im saying if you fall down and break your arm in a supermarket, youre justified.

If you find a bug, finger, small animal in your fries, youre justified.

If you get into a high speed car accident that was entirely your fault but your air bags dont deploy, youre justified.

Youre not justified to sue over a lie.

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That's disgusting...

Have some personal accountability.

People sell out their integrity far too easily these days.

What always amazes me about these insanely stupid people who sue for insanely stupid reasons is, what kind of judges do we have running our court systems? What kind of judges are deciding in favor of these idiots? One thing always seems clear to me...Government is insanely stupid

the chimps name is travis =D!
LOL!!!
we are a litigious society so im not surprised by this at ALL

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Originally Posted by MattU

What always amazes me about these insanely stupid people who sue for insanely stupid reasons is, what kind of judges do we have running our court systems? What kind of judges are deciding in favor of these idiots? One thing always seems clear to me...Government is insanely stupid

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You have it all wrong Matt. It's not judges....these lawsuits are usually decided by a jury. The last time BG checked..... a "jury" is made up of law abiding American citizens. Big Gunns just doesn't get it. That coffee woman wouldn't have gotten a nickel if Big Gunns was on that jury.:rage::rage::rage:

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

You have it all wrong Matt. It's not judges....these lawsuits are usually decided by a jury. The last time BG checked..... a "jury" is made up of law abiding American citizens. Big Gunns just doesn't get it. That coffee woman wouldn't have gotten a nickel if Big Gunns was on that jury.:rage::rage::rage:

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You're right, brain fart

When I was younger my mom's friend had an EVIL chihuahua that bit me, I wasn't the first, nor the last! Are you telling me, I could sue the state of Georgia because they knew this animal was dangerous and didn't protect me from going there of my on volition and putting myself in that situation!? Who knew I could sue the state for not protecting me from making a mistake that put me in a situation where I could be injured. I must call my lawyer ** rolls eyes**

I do and don't feel bad for the woman. She obviously knew what the chimp could do to injure her if it got the chance by trying to sue the owner for 50 mil. But yet she put herself in a situation where the chimp is out of control... lack of common sense isn't worth 150 million

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Originally Posted by matt71915

I do and don't feel bad for the woman. She obviously knew what the chimp could do to injure her if it got the chance by trying to sue the owner for 50 mil. But yet she put herself in a situation where the chimp is out of control... lack of common sense isn't worth 150 million

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Big Gunns does feel sorry for this woman, but let BG ask you all this. If your friend came in your house and picked up your vicious Ball Python and Leopard Gecko and was mauled by them(exaggerating but you get the point) .:D Should they be able to sue you?

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Originally Posted by nixer

but do we need a warning sign for general knowledge? last time i checked most ppl that drink hot beverages dont prefer them to be cold

seriously whats next do i have to have electrical warnings on my outlets in my house or a warning sign on the hot side of every faucet tripping hazard signs on my front steps?

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have you even ever looked at the warnings on chainsaws? THOSE are warnings people should know better than to do..right? (do not stop blade with hand?) but they're still there..

I'm not saying any of this is right or wrong, i'm just saying a ton of them win Darwin Awards or Honorable Mentions for a reason. Common sense is not rampant in our species as far as im concerned.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Big Gunns does feel sorry for this woman, but let BG ask you all this. If your friend came in your house and picked up your vicious Ball Python and Leopard Gecko and was mauled by them(exaggerating but you get the point) .:D Should they be able to sue you?

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Are the animals in cages? What does my friend know about the animals?

If the friend just went and picked them up (from their cage) without permission and knowing the dangers of this man mauling leopard gecko and ball python, then no they shouldn't be able to sue me. Its their choice to pick up the ball python and leopard gecko. If the friend isn't aware that the animals are dangerous then i would say its their responsibility to find out before they come in physical contact with the animal.

I know that's not how things work in the court system and the owner of the animal is responsible for the actions of the animals in their possession. But back to the actual story. She knew that the chimp was dangerous.... she knew it was out of control and could possibly harm her or someone else. Yet she chose to put herself in the position she was in. I feel back about the injuries she has and that her life will be drastically changed for the rest of her life but that's it. IMO it was her fault that what happened happened. If the chimp busted through her window and came into her home and did that I would feel differently.

I am Sueing Big Gunns...for being Big Gunns...
and he will not counter-sue and yet i will loose everything i own, and even things i do not own i will loose....


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Originally Posted by matt71915

Are the animals in cages? What does my friend know about the animals?

If the friend just went and picked them up (from their cage) without permission and knowing the dangers of this man mauling leopard gecko and ball python, then no they shouldn't be able to sue me. Its their choice to pick up the ball python and leopard gecko. If the friend isn't aware that the animals are dangerous then i would say its their responsibility to find out before they come in physical contact with the animal.

I know that's not how things work in the court system and the owner of the animal is responsible for the actions of the animals in their possession. But back to the actual story. She knew that the chimp was dangerous.... she knew it was out of control and could possibly harm her or someone else. Yet she chose to put herself in the position she was in. I feel back about the injuries she has and that her life will be drastically changed for the rest of her life but that's it. IMO it was her fault that what happened happened. If the chimp busted through her window and came into her home and did that I would feel differently.

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It's Big Gunns understanding that she did know this Chimp, and it was always tame, but EVERYONE on the planet has heard the saying "a wild animal is never tame".

BG really feels for this woman, and he's sure that all the money in the world will not compensate her for what she has lost....BUT..... There needs to be a line somewhere where you're responsible for what happens to you when you place yourself in harms way.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

I am Sueing Big Gunns...for being Big Gunns...
and he will not counter-sue and yet i will loose everything i own, and even things i do not own i will loose....


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You're one smart kid. Everyone knows that if you battle BG....you're gonna LOSE.:D:D If you have hair, that's the first thing that will go. You'll be pulling it out for sure.:D

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

It's Big Gunns understanding that she did know this Chimp, and it was always tame, but EVERYONE on the planet has heard the saying "a wild animal is never tame".

BG really feels for this woman, and he's sure that all the money in the world will not compensate her for what she has lost....BUT..... There needs to be a line somewhere where you're responsible for what happens to you when you place yourself in harms way.

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I agree and disagree with you. Maybe I missed it, please correct me if i am wrong though. I don't remember reading something saying that she said it was usually tame, it sounds like your assuming that she thought that. I don't think that the chimps owner was a friend of the woman since the woman sued/or at least tried to sue, the chimps owner for 50 million, what friend does that? She did make a huge mistake by helping the owner try and capture the chimp though. I feel for her and her family about that. I don't think its appropriate for her family to sue anyone for the woman's mistake though.

Totally agree with the second part :salute:

EDIT: regarding the first part, I am going off what the story said. We all know what the media does to make an interesting story though.

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Originally Posted by matt71915

I agree and disagree with you. Maybe I missed it, please correct me if i am wrong though. I don't remember reading something saying that she said it was usually tame, it sounds like your assuming that she thought that. I don't think that the chimps owner was a friend of the woman since the woman sued/or at least tried to sue, the chimps owner for 50 million, what friend does that? She did make a huge mistake by helping the owner try and capture the chimp though. I feel for her and her family about that. I don't think its appropriate for her family to sue anyone for the woman's mistake though.

Totally agree with the second part :salute:

EDIT: regarding the first part, I am going off what the story said. We all know what the media does to make an interesting story though.

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All the original stories that BG saw said that the animal was tame, and this was a friend of the owners that knew it was tame.

As far as the "what friend does that". Technically she's suing the woman's homeowners insurance. BG knows a friend of his that's doing the exact same thing right now. They're still friends....great friends.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

All the original stories that BG saw said that the animal was tame, and this was a friend of the owners that knew it was tame.

As far as the "what friend does that". Technically she's suing the woman's homeowners insurance. BG knows a friend of his that's doing the exact same thing right now. They're still friends....great friends.

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I found the part that says they are friends, it's right under the picture in the story. If you were to say that the animal is tame then you could say it's the fault of both sides. The owner for saying a potentially dangerous animal is tame and the woman for believing it....

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

I have fair and simple rules when it comes to wild animals...:taz:

Rule #1 - If you intentionally put yourself in front of, near or anywhere in the vicinity of a wild animal, anything that happens to you is fair game.

Rule #2 - If you are adverse to rule #1, don't "F" with wild animals.

In addition, I never understand when the public gets all surprised when somebody famous dies at the hands of a wild animal (Steve Irwin for example). Personally, I'm never surprised when this happens; if you "F" with a wild animal, 100% of the responsibility lies with the human, not the beast...

...that being said,

Shark attack victims - if you don't like getting bitten in half by sharks, stay out of the water, its a choice.

Bear attack victims - if you don't like getting chased and eaten by bears, stay out of the woods, its a choice.

Snake bite victims - if you don't like being bitten by venomous snakes, stay away from "hots" and get some ball pythons, again, this is a choice only the human can make, the wild animal cannot.

...In short, if you don't want to get royally "F'd", don't "F" with wild animals.

BrandonsBalls

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I agree 100% with you on this. She was working for him with wild animals. She knew that this animal was unpredictable. For that matter ANY wild animal is unpredictable.....Not to mention us humans quite frankly!!! I worked in a zoo with the small mammals....and I had to sign a waiver releasing them of responsiblity if something should happen to me. It is a work place danger!!! The person before me lost use of one of her hands after being bit by a spider monkey. It happens!!!! It is the chance you take...and you know it going into this type of thing. As for animals out in the wild attacking....you are on their turf. If I go out my front door...and into the desert (which is like 1 block away) and I find a rattlesnake and get bit...guess what...IT IS THEIR HOME!!! If you come into my home univited in the middle of the night...chances are ....you are going to get shot. Plain and simple protecting yourself.

Just like if your kid crawls over the zoo rail and falls in....it is YOUR FAULT...the rail is there for a purpose. (and I can think of all kinds of names for these ppl but I don't want an infraction)!!!!!!

It never ceases to amaze me that we run out and kill everything that is only using its ability to protect itself or trying to eat. And don't get me started on these ppl that feed wild animals and then freak out when it comes up to your house and attacks you. UGh.....I could go on and on and on in regards to this type of thing. Just makes me...:rage::rage::rage::rage: